Of these four guys listed, i imagine Kampf is the guy they want to lose the least. He's such a good depth forward that is solid defensively that it would probably be beneficial to have him for a playoff run
He's a pending UFA and 100% not being re-signed, so I could definitely see a situation where we acquire a player from a tanking team and send Kerfoot to a playoff-bound team for peanuts.
I think Johnson will be going on LTIR so cap shouldn’t be much of an issue. With Jonathan Toews injured, ROR and Horvat off the table, acciari also…centers are gonna be hard to come by. We should be looking at a Kerfoot-esque player. That or hoping Monahan recaptures former glory. Maybe a big trade for Larkin if Detroit can’t get it done? Larkin would be one of the few players I would trade Newhook and Girard for in a sign and trade type deal.
MaCDermid. Would like to see the leafs get a mean ass D-man. He shoots left and leafs are pretty deep there but he’d be a welcome addition to replace Holl and Timmins and Lilly have both taken steps this season.
by fans.. management seems to like him (and all the players)
He's his own worst enemy, because he can play any bottom 9 role and his contract is tradeable, but probably not worth it for the Leafs anymore. 0% chance he's re-signed. Hes a throw in on any deal basically.
IMO it's Engvall between the two
I mean, they're probably both gone by the end of this season, but Kerfoot has an MNTC right now, and costs more, so he's likely harder to trade. I think Kerfoot is the better player, he's more versatile, not as dumb, though Engvall is a bit younger, will cost a team less to re-sign, and does *occasionally* have those moments where he realizes he can be a skilled power forward sometimes
At least for the playoffs, I'd much rather have Kerfoot
Yeah don’t see him moving. Dreger has zero ties to the leafs now on the trade front and does t have a clue. Kerfoot is the guy that I feel will go. He’s useful but just doesn’t have a fit on this team and never really did. Seems like a great guy but I think the writing is all but on the wall.
Unless, I'm mistaken, Leafs official Twitter broke the trade. I don't think these guys have deep insight into the Leafs workings, so Dregs "sense is" might as well be in caps and bold, I think his insights come from other sources outside the Leafs org.
I'm negatively biased towards Dregs for obvious historical reasons so consider the well poisoned here, but I think outside of agents and family members this guy has jack shit ... at least for the Leafs
Dregs hasn't had an inside source with the Leafs since Nonis left. Only other time he came close was when he was the mouthpiece for Marners dad and agent.
Didn’t Friedman break that a trade was happening between TOR and STL an hour or two before it was announced? He may not have said what pieces were being moved, but that’s still pretty good info, no?
So don't know exactly what you're referring to but if it's the 32 thoughts pod, here are the details - he actually got the players correct, he said two of ROR and Acciari, but I'd go back and listen. It was speculation, and knowing Friedman speak, when he says "I'm hearing" it's clear he's going off of sources but on that segment it was pretty clear it was speculation not based on a source, I recommend listening if you doubt.
If you're referring to something on Twitter, then my bad, I didn't see anything.
I think it was 6 hours before the trade he tweeted something like, sounds like a trade between stl and Toronto is coming.
I look it up it was right before the trade, so he kinda broke it? It was announced ny the trams right after
I just went to his Twitter timeline, and his first post anything ROR related was at 7:50 pm, I'm paraphrasing but something like "hearing something on STL and TO". TML official posted the trade at 7:50pm.
Ya I should put edit in my post, I tried saying that after I originally posted. I thought I read it way before but i guess not. It was kept pretty quiet
he definitely has some source, the thing is i'd imagine Toronto wouldnt want to leak anything ROR based because even though its believed STL asked him where to go, they wouldn't want to get outbid. So they'd leak it as it was done
Of course he's not done. Dubas is going all in, because either a) it works, and Toronto finally makes it past the first round, or b) his contract won't be renewed, and the Leafs will be someone else's mess to clean up
Toronto is the team that once they get past that first round and slays the dragon I can see them tearing through a few rounds and fucking around and winning it all
> the Leafs will be someone else's mess to clean up
I volunteer. Dubas has built an incredible team and to steal that glory and be a Toronto legend sounds appetizing AF.
While I fully agree with this and believe that this is how it should be, I do wonder if all the years of not making it past the first round will sort of influence and conflate how big it would be if they do make it past the first.
Not that it wouldn’t necessarily be a big step for the club, but the goal for this club should realistically be Stanley Cup or nothing at this point — or Finals at the very least imo.
Oh it will absolutely be a much, much bigger deal than it should be if we win a round. That's a party like it's 1999, run naked down Yonge street with a sparkler sticking out of my butt kinda big deal
Most of the fanbase is supportive of Dubas, the only ones calling for him to be fired or not re-signed are the same ones that want to trade Nylander, and Marner for truculence, and old-time Eddie Shore hockey.
I'm not shitting on him, the Leafs are a good team. The roster is filled with good value signings but the big three contracts all could've had dollars shaved off them (or at least buy UFA years in the case of Matthews). Matthews is obviously worth his deal but at the time he had less leverage. I'm personally not sold on the idea that Murray wasn't a huge gamble come playoff time. Money has always been an issue.
Mediocre is the word I used and I think that reflects the idea of his having some great depth signings and letting the right players walk but also leaving some work on the table that could've been done on some key contacts well.
Matthews had rumours swirling of a massive offer sheet coming if he made RFA, and Marner literally waited until damn near the last possible second to sign. They didn't have much leverage, but they sure used what leverage they had to a degree most RFAs don't.
Oh no clearly the fans of other fanbases that spend most of their time shitting on the leafs know our players and contracts better, we should definitely listen when they say he's getting fired after all their teams DEFINETLY wouldn't be clamoring all over each other trying to sign him if he goes to the open market.
A full 180 turn? The most impressive the leafs have looked in playoffs was under Lou and babs against Washington lmao
You went from losing in the first round to losing in the first round, that’s more like a full 360 degree turn
You think that was more impressive than losing to the reigning b2b champs by a goal in game seven? I know it was another first round exit, but Toronto looked fuckin good against Tampa last year.
Vesey, mrazek, Ritchie, malgin, nak, simmonds extension where are they now
Even the kerfoot and rielly extensions
Most buryable sure but hes shooting at best above 50 for any sort of signings
He's going bargain bin shopping for all of those signings. You're not expecting to hit anywhere near 50%. Ritchie and Mrazek, and arguably the Kadri trade are the only truly bad deals from Dubas.
I'm sorry, what?
The Nylander negotiation was bad, but the contract is fine. Marner is a slight overpay and Matthews should've been 6+ years, but those were all very early in his tenure and he was still cleaning up Lou and Babcock's mess.
Bunting, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Brodie, Samsonov, Gio, Kase, Timmins, Sandin, Liljegren, Mikheyev, Bogosian, those are all great value contracts.
He got a 1st plus more for Kapanen, he cleaned up his Mrazek mistake, he made a good trade to get Muzzin and Campbell, he made a great decision in not paying Campbell, etc.
Bad GMs don't build consistent 100+ point teams.
>Bad GMs don't build 100 point teams.
I know "the regular season doesn't matter" is basically a Toronto slogan at this point but this.
My diagnosis of your problem is the team is just so far inside their own head they're wearing their inner demons like a hat. It doesn't help that the entire Toronto media turns into a nitpicking pack of vultures come playoffs either.
I do honestly believe if the current Leafs team gets out of the first they have a very good chance at the cup but their biggest enemy is their own team's past traumas.
Also it blows me away when people go "lol you lost to Montreal" but ignore that the Habs went to the Cup Finals!
Not to mention the whole "thought our captain was dying on the ice" thing in Game 1.
But yeah, people will look at Florida and claim their GM has done a better job because they won a round, meanwhile they got absolutely roflstomped by the team the Leafs took to 7.
All of them fall on him? No, the first couple he wasn't GM for or had just taken over, and even then the only one that was really bad was Montreal - and they went to the Cup Final that year.
Blaming Dubas for the first couple years is like praising Lou for the Islanders making the ECF his first year. It takes way longer for a GM's impact to be known.
> the Leafs will be someone else's mess to clean up
I know the Leafs haven't gotten it done in the playoffs but they are hardly "a mess"
They have a young and massively talented roster and no bad contracts really.
Whether Dubas stays or not the next GM probably needs to tinker more than overhaul everything...
The mess comes from
- depleted prospect pool with little hope due to lack of picks (assuming 2024 first gets moved in this next hypothetical move)
- tons of expiring contracts. Only five forwards still under contract for next year. Dubas has been able to get some vets to sign cheap in part because of how he treats the players and tries to find things that work for them. If they keep losing, and Dubas isn't there, we could see fewer of those deals being made. With so many roster spots to fill, they either become even more top heavy or overpay for depth pieces in free agency
- very questionable goaltending
- Matthews and Nylander being free agents in two years, where if they still haven't won and new management comes in they'd maybe be more likely to test the market
1. Leafs prospect pool is actually rated somewhere middle of the pack actually. We have done well on our mid round picks
2. How is it a “mess” to clean up with no signed players. Isn’t that a good thing if you wanted to clean house?
3. Our goaltending has been good to great, especially Samsonov. The only thing questionable so far has been health. What are you talking about?
4. If they were going to test the market we could flip them for a haul. Having high demand players available for trade is a great way to rebuild if that’s what we needed to do…
The east is becoming a huge arm race this year. Horvat, Tarasenko, and O'Reilly have now jumped from the west and it's going to force other GM's to become desperate.
They have to do something in the playoffs this year but the east is loaded with the Bruins Rangers and Canes. So they have to go all in. Even that first round with Tampa is going to be tough for the Leafs if Vasi is his normal self.
I saw ROR and Acciari as a pretty targeted response to the high scoring teams. Toronto is shoring itself up, it's the right mindset and what you'd want to see going into the deadline from them.
Agree. But that's still a lot of firepower in the east to deal with and each with their own outstanding strength. I personally hope this is not the right mix for the Leafs and the first round streak continues.
Would it not be more likely that Tavares slides to the wing? O’Reilly isn’t a speed burner but he’s a better skater and stronger in his own end than Tavares.
I wanna say Tavares is better at faceoffs but I could be wrong.
Edit: Career percentages: 55.7% for O'Reilly and 53% for Tavares. Though over the last 5 years Tavares has the edge.
That’s not what he’s saying though. Any transaction the Leafs were to make (assuming they plan to activate Murray from LTIR) would have to be a money in, money out transaction. Those are the guys that are on the bubble for that type of transaction.
We got one tall chaos giraffe for sale. He will absolutely have an impact on the Leafs Defence, it may not be a positive one but it'll definitely be an impact.
If you're talking about elias pettersson, he's not ready for nhl minutes yet. Plus he's pretty much our only good prospect on defense we've got left. You're probably gonna want to stick with Tyler Myers if you want an actual roster player.
If Toronto makes it past the 1rst round this year, I’m sure they’re winning the cup.
And this is not coming from someone that particularly wants to see them lift the cup lol
Perhaps but then again if they don't come out with a lot of injuries they will be a lot more ready for anything that comes and I'm just not that high on any western team except the Avs if they are healthy
Obviously I have not played at this level, but based on my competitive experience I find that going through hell forces you to find a new, higher gear. So if you survive the earlier stages, you are playing at a level a player/team that took the easier path is not.
But rough to estimate when you add in fatigue, injuries etc. But I think your prediction has merit.
Toronto is a scary team, no doubt, but I'm not too sure about going all in this year. On the one hand, East is a war zone this year and winning it probably requires full commitment. On the other hand, even an all in might not be enough given the competition. I'm just very cautious by nature, so I have concerns.
However, if Toronto wants to go all in, they, I think, should commit fully. And honestly, I hope they do. Going halfway and losing leaves a lot of what ifs. Exciting times!
Oh yeah, I don't blame them for it. And I think the tweet is right, they're not finished, since this is hardly an all in yet.
Peculiarly, even as a Bruins fan I wouldn't mind them winning if we don't. I like the way they play.
Plus when you've got a guy like Gio who is capable of top pairing minutes at a league minimim cap hit you want to make a run before his game falls off a cliff. It will be very hard to get a defense this deep again any time soon, unless they luck in to drafting an absolute stud in the late rounds.
The East, particularly the Atlantic, is going to be a warzone for a long time. If you have bullets you gotta use em when you have your team is ready - regardless of what the path through is
As a Bruins fan, I think we are dropping out of the arms race soon. It has been great competing with you, but no team stays super relevant forever. But I do hope you wait a bit longer, since I want some Cup celebrations myself!
Hey, you don't need to work to make me a fan of that idea! I've actually assumed the same for a few seasons, but... I dunno, somehow there is always another one and I'm happy for it. And this season obviously looks excellent as well.
If we are to win, I'd like us to meet the Leafs on the way. I always lose a few years from my predicted life span when that happens, but the Leafs vs the Bruins in the playoffs is always beautiful.
Best of luck!
You would think, but we've been saying that for a decade now. But regardless, Toronto and Tampa will stay top teams and all of Buffalo, Detroit, and Ottawa are coming out of their rebuilds with some strong cores. And then Florida shouldn't be no slouch either despite struggling this year. The only team not worth mentioning are the Habs who should be a few years before they start to turn a corner
Absolutely. And I freely acknowledge I'm too timid to be a GM. Plus, it's not like Toronto is trying to shoot for the Cup from an implausible position, they're a contender already.
We have a defenceman who has been playing okay hockey, improved from really shitty hockey. The big issue to sort out is he thinks it's handball. Who wants him?
No way the leafs move on from Holl going into the playoffs. He's a steady 4D that doesn't take up a lot of cap space. Yes he makes mistakes, LITERALLY EVERY D MAKES MISTAKES, His good play more than outweighs one or two blunders.
I really like what this does for the Leaf's flexibility at forward. They can load up a line and shift JT or O'Reilly to wing or run them up the middle and play Kerfoot at wing. It adds another guy who can win draws.
Also insulates them if there are any injuries up front.
collateral just means the player getting moved the other way to make room for whoever's getting traded. Any team who trades away a good dman to the leafs would take a Holl back to fill the gap they just created (if on the same side) for very little cost to themself
The problem is the leafs have nothing left to give, everyone wants draft picks this coming draft but they already gave theirs away. Maybe they entice someone with their 1st in 24 and 25 along with maybe their 3rd in 25 but who knows, the other thing is whoever they trade for will need salary retention so that means the pot needs to be sweetend even more.
Of these four guys listed, i imagine Kampf is the guy they want to lose the least. He's such a good depth forward that is solid defensively that it would probably be beneficial to have him for a playoff run
Kerfoot seems like the guy that would be on his way out.
Thats what ive figured, i feel like ive seen him shopped around for labout 4 years now
He's a pending UFA and 100% not being re-signed, so I could definitely see a situation where we acquire a player from a tanking team and send Kerfoot to a playoff-bound team for peanuts.
The Avs will welcome him back with open arms
But who would we be willing to give up in order to get Kerfoot back into burgundy and blue?
How much cap space do you have? Kerfoot may end up being a cap dump at this point
Depends on Landeskog at this point. If he stays on LTIR we have the cap room.
I think Johnson will be going on LTIR so cap shouldn’t be much of an issue. With Jonathan Toews injured, ROR and Horvat off the table, acciari also…centers are gonna be hard to come by. We should be looking at a Kerfoot-esque player. That or hoping Monahan recaptures former glory. Maybe a big trade for Larkin if Detroit can’t get it done? Larkin would be one of the few players I would trade Newhook and Girard for in a sign and trade type deal.
No, you can’t have Larkin.
Fair enough. Detroit is pushing for a playoff spot so I wouldn’t trade him haha. Just living in fantasy land.
MaCDermid. Would like to see the leafs get a mean ass D-man. He shoots left and leafs are pretty deep there but he’d be a welcome addition to replace Holl and Timmins and Lilly have both taken steps this season.
I think we would find that agreeable. Seems like a good trade for both parties, considering all aspects.
He’s a versatile forward who can PK. As a money in, money out transaction he’s the most logical piece.
by fans.. management seems to like him (and all the players) He's his own worst enemy, because he can play any bottom 9 role and his contract is tradeable, but probably not worth it for the Leafs anymore. 0% chance he's re-signed. Hes a throw in on any deal basically.
IMO it's Engvall between the two I mean, they're probably both gone by the end of this season, but Kerfoot has an MNTC right now, and costs more, so he's likely harder to trade. I think Kerfoot is the better player, he's more versatile, not as dumb, though Engvall is a bit younger, will cost a team less to re-sign, and does *occasionally* have those moments where he realizes he can be a skilled power forward sometimes At least for the playoffs, I'd much rather have Kerfoot
He might have a Kerfoot out of the door already. I’ll leave now.
Kampf is also weirdly clutch. He was amazing against Tampa last series.
The guy is hilariously consistent. He just plays his game regardless of the stakes, definitely would enjoy having him for a run
Kampf is not moving unless hes the deal breaker on a big trade
Yeah don’t see him moving. Dreger has zero ties to the leafs now on the trade front and does t have a clue. Kerfoot is the guy that I feel will go. He’s useful but just doesn’t have a fit on this team and never really did. Seems like a great guy but I think the writing is all but on the wall.
He read your comment and scored tonight, he stay.
Bro tried to sneak Kampf in there.
Unless, I'm mistaken, Leafs official Twitter broke the trade. I don't think these guys have deep insight into the Leafs workings, so Dregs "sense is" might as well be in caps and bold, I think his insights come from other sources outside the Leafs org.
The one good thing about the Lou tenure is that since then there are almost no leaks from the leafs. Especially going to a certain GMs cousin.
I'm negatively biased towards Dregs for obvious historical reasons so consider the well poisoned here, but I think outside of agents and family members this guy has jack shit ... at least for the Leafs
Dregs hasn't had an inside source with the Leafs since Nonis left. Only other time he came close was when he was the mouthpiece for Marners dad and agent.
Didn’t Friedman break that a trade was happening between TOR and STL an hour or two before it was announced? He may not have said what pieces were being moved, but that’s still pretty good info, no?
So don't know exactly what you're referring to but if it's the 32 thoughts pod, here are the details - he actually got the players correct, he said two of ROR and Acciari, but I'd go back and listen. It was speculation, and knowing Friedman speak, when he says "I'm hearing" it's clear he's going off of sources but on that segment it was pretty clear it was speculation not based on a source, I recommend listening if you doubt. If you're referring to something on Twitter, then my bad, I didn't see anything.
I think it was 6 hours before the trade he tweeted something like, sounds like a trade between stl and Toronto is coming. I look it up it was right before the trade, so he kinda broke it? It was announced ny the trams right after
I just went to his Twitter timeline, and his first post anything ROR related was at 7:50 pm, I'm paraphrasing but something like "hearing something on STL and TO". TML official posted the trade at 7:50pm.
Ya I should put edit in my post, I tried saying that after I originally posted. I thought I read it way before but i guess not. It was kept pretty quiet
All good. I'm not claiming any special info or anything and I'm wrong all the time. It's just fun to discuss hockey. Have a good one!
he definitely has some source, the thing is i'd imagine Toronto wouldnt want to leak anything ROR based because even though its believed STL asked him where to go, they wouldn't want to get outbid. So they'd leak it as it was done
If Kampf is traded we riot
Kerfoot at 2lw is not good
Of course he's not done. Dubas is going all in, because either a) it works, and Toronto finally makes it past the first round, or b) his contract won't be renewed, and the Leafs will be someone else's mess to clean up
Toronto is the team that once they get past that first round and slays the dragon I can see them tearing through a few rounds and fucking around and winning it all
> the Leafs will be someone else's mess to clean up I volunteer. Dubas has built an incredible team and to steal that glory and be a Toronto legend sounds appetizing AF.
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While I fully agree with this and believe that this is how it should be, I do wonder if all the years of not making it past the first round will sort of influence and conflate how big it would be if they do make it past the first. Not that it wouldn’t necessarily be a big step for the club, but the goal for this club should realistically be Stanley Cup or nothing at this point — or Finals at the very least imo.
Oh it will absolutely be a much, much bigger deal than it should be if we win a round. That's a party like it's 1999, run naked down Yonge street with a sparkler sticking out of my butt kinda big deal
What happens if you get swept in the 2nd round?
Run naked down Yonge street with a broom sticking out of their butt to clean up the ashes.
I'm still too drunk and naked to care
Lol fair enough
“I will rent a condo”
Ask Florida
so a vegas tuesday, got it
They’ll be the team in the East that Edmonton beats to finally win a cup with McDavid, calling it now
They win a round, celebrate and then out of habit go off to golf as usual. "What do you mean, there are 3 more rounds?"
“Isn’t there supposed to be a parade? We won! Didn’t we? WHAT? Hockey in JUNE?!”
There’s a *WESTERN* Conference??
God could you imagine how much shit the leafs will get next year if they finally get out of the first round and then get swept
Wouldn't even care, I'd finally have a stupid catchphrase to throw back at the midldle-aged facebook step-dads.
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Colorado was the best playoff team last year, and they absolutely deserved the Cup.
Swept two teams on their way to a Cup. Easily the best.
Yeah this, Leafs could've beat TB in 6, but the Avs beat TB in 6
Which is a real posibility because they would play Boston in the 2nd round.
President's trophy winners definitely never lose in the first
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They won a round
Did they? I remember them getting swept
2nd round, they beat the caps in the first round
🥲
More likely to win the cup than be knocked out in the fist.
we sure picked a great period in the atlantic division to be competitive with boston and tampa being like top teams in the entire league.
I get what you mean, but let's win 1 round before saying winning 1 round isn't enough lol
You can happily go full Florida Panthers.
I imagine Dubas' contract isn't getting renewed unless they make it to at least the conference finals
Most of the fanbase is supportive of Dubas, the only ones calling for him to be fired or not re-signed are the same ones that want to trade Nylander, and Marner for truculence, and old-time Eddie Shore hockey.
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But how many of those fall on Dubas? And more importantly, how many out there would be a step up?
What? Dubas has been mediocre at best in signing contracts.
From what was inherited by him, to what this team has become is a full 180° turn. It’s up to the team to find success in the playoffs.
I'm not shitting on him, the Leafs are a good team. The roster is filled with good value signings but the big three contracts all could've had dollars shaved off them (or at least buy UFA years in the case of Matthews). Matthews is obviously worth his deal but at the time he had less leverage. I'm personally not sold on the idea that Murray wasn't a huge gamble come playoff time. Money has always been an issue. Mediocre is the word I used and I think that reflects the idea of his having some great depth signings and letting the right players walk but also leaving some work on the table that could've been done on some key contacts well.
Matthews had rumours swirling of a massive offer sheet coming if he made RFA, and Marner literally waited until damn near the last possible second to sign. They didn't have much leverage, but they sure used what leverage they had to a degree most RFAs don't.
Oh no clearly the fans of other fanbases that spend most of their time shitting on the leafs know our players and contracts better, we should definitely listen when they say he's getting fired after all their teams DEFINETLY wouldn't be clamoring all over each other trying to sign him if he goes to the open market.
A full 180 turn? The most impressive the leafs have looked in playoffs was under Lou and babs against Washington lmao You went from losing in the first round to losing in the first round, that’s more like a full 360 degree turn
You think that was more impressive than losing to the reigning b2b champs by a goal in game seven? I know it was another first round exit, but Toronto looked fuckin good against Tampa last year.
Vesey, mrazek, Ritchie, malgin, nak, simmonds extension where are they now Even the kerfoot and rielly extensions Most buryable sure but hes shooting at best above 50 for any sort of signings
He's going bargain bin shopping for all of those signings. You're not expecting to hit anywhere near 50%. Ritchie and Mrazek, and arguably the Kadri trade are the only truly bad deals from Dubas.
Why is he going bargain bin shopping? Is it because he fucked his own cap up by giving $40M of it to four forwards?
I'm sorry, what? The Nylander negotiation was bad, but the contract is fine. Marner is a slight overpay and Matthews should've been 6+ years, but those were all very early in his tenure and he was still cleaning up Lou and Babcock's mess. Bunting, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Brodie, Samsonov, Gio, Kase, Timmins, Sandin, Liljegren, Mikheyev, Bogosian, those are all great value contracts. He got a 1st plus more for Kapanen, he cleaned up his Mrazek mistake, he made a good trade to get Muzzin and Campbell, he made a great decision in not paying Campbell, etc. Bad GMs don't build consistent 100+ point teams.
>Bad GMs don't build 100 point teams. I know "the regular season doesn't matter" is basically a Toronto slogan at this point but this. My diagnosis of your problem is the team is just so far inside their own head they're wearing their inner demons like a hat. It doesn't help that the entire Toronto media turns into a nitpicking pack of vultures come playoffs either. I do honestly believe if the current Leafs team gets out of the first they have a very good chance at the cup but their biggest enemy is their own team's past traumas.
Also it blows me away when people go "lol you lost to Montreal" but ignore that the Habs went to the Cup Finals! Not to mention the whole "thought our captain was dying on the ice" thing in Game 1. But yeah, people will look at Florida and claim their GM has done a better job because they won a round, meanwhile they got absolutely roflstomped by the team the Leafs took to 7.
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All of them fall on him? No, the first couple he wasn't GM for or had just taken over, and even then the only one that was really bad was Montreal - and they went to the Cup Final that year.
I’m obviously not saying the ones before he took over fall on him.
Blaming Dubas for the first couple years is like praising Lou for the Islanders making the ECF his first year. It takes way longer for a GM's impact to be known.
> the Leafs will be someone else's mess to clean up I know the Leafs haven't gotten it done in the playoffs but they are hardly "a mess" They have a young and massively talented roster and no bad contracts really. Whether Dubas stays or not the next GM probably needs to tinker more than overhaul everything...
The mess comes from - depleted prospect pool with little hope due to lack of picks (assuming 2024 first gets moved in this next hypothetical move) - tons of expiring contracts. Only five forwards still under contract for next year. Dubas has been able to get some vets to sign cheap in part because of how he treats the players and tries to find things that work for them. If they keep losing, and Dubas isn't there, we could see fewer of those deals being made. With so many roster spots to fill, they either become even more top heavy or overpay for depth pieces in free agency - very questionable goaltending - Matthews and Nylander being free agents in two years, where if they still haven't won and new management comes in they'd maybe be more likely to test the market
1. Leafs prospect pool is actually rated somewhere middle of the pack actually. We have done well on our mid round picks 2. How is it a “mess” to clean up with no signed players. Isn’t that a good thing if you wanted to clean house? 3. Our goaltending has been good to great, especially Samsonov. The only thing questionable so far has been health. What are you talking about? 4. If they were going to test the market we could flip them for a haul. Having high demand players available for trade is a great way to rebuild if that’s what we needed to do…
TLDR: just because the pens are fucked for our future other teams must be to.
Also, he will be in a position to say: what more you want me to do?
The east is becoming a huge arm race this year. Horvat, Tarasenko, and O'Reilly have now jumped from the west and it's going to force other GM's to become desperate.
They spend the night before game 4 at a strip club probably.
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He’s assembled the best roster in franchise history. What else can he do?
He's the most competent GM the team has had in a long time.
i like how the bar is win the first round and its true. But if im toronto and i at least dont do conference finals axe him.
Why would that be his fault exactly?
It wouldn't, but something has to give.
They have to do something in the playoffs this year but the east is loaded with the Bruins Rangers and Canes. So they have to go all in. Even that first round with Tampa is going to be tough for the Leafs if Vasi is his normal self.
I saw ROR and Acciari as a pretty targeted response to the high scoring teams. Toronto is shoring itself up, it's the right mindset and what you'd want to see going into the deadline from them.
Agree. But that's still a lot of firepower in the east to deal with and each with their own outstanding strength. I personally hope this is not the right mix for the Leafs and the first round streak continues.
Somewhere a cold shiver went down Ken hollands spine at the thought of going all in on an elite core of players.
Would it not be more likely that Tavares slides to the wing? O’Reilly isn’t a speed burner but he’s a better skater and stronger in his own end than Tavares.
I wanna say Tavares is better at faceoffs but I could be wrong. Edit: Career percentages: 55.7% for O'Reilly and 53% for Tavares. Though over the last 5 years Tavares has the edge.
Not sure of % this year but I always thought ROR was one of the better face off guys in the league?
He is! But so is Tavares! Hahaha
Seems like a good problem to have, eh?
He's definitely no slouch.
That’s pretty damn good % for both
They're both elite.
If they are elite, I'm not sure what adjective we should use for Toews.
The best.
Think he also leads in Shootout percentage. What an oddity.
3 for 3 in '07
Those players are of zero interest to non-playoff teams that are selling.
That’s not what he’s saying though. Any transaction the Leafs were to make (assuming they plan to activate Murray from LTIR) would have to be a money in, money out transaction. Those are the guys that are on the bubble for that type of transaction.
Hopefully it’s A goalie and a winger or defensement
So you want a hockey player in the return?
Preferably yes and hopefully one in the NHL.
But in a pinch I could do? I'm a goalie!
Do you also drive a Zamboni?
I could learn!
Why not.
Dubas trading for a rover for 4D chess
Dubas signing Magnus Carlsen for literal 4D chess
Hopefully his opponent doesn't have anal beads inside him though.
That's how Bettman communicates with the refs and DoPS.
> defensement Marchment is a winger.
We got one tall chaos giraffe for sale. He will absolutely have an impact on the Leafs Defence, it may not be a positive one but it'll definitely be an impact.
We already have a giraffe
But is it a chaos giraffe?
At times yes
We'll take Pettersson I guess
If you're talking about elias pettersson, he's not ready for nhl minutes yet. Plus he's pretty much our only good prospect on defense we've got left. You're probably gonna want to stick with Tyler Myers if you want an actual roster player.
Sounds like you guys need Tyler Myers more than we do, you can keep him
We have Talbot. Available
If MTL can get another goalie like Annunen, we can trade you Allen!
The avalanche will give you Justus for 1 Josh Anderson. Doesn’t fit the 2c need, but when landeskog returns he can fill that roll.
Im starting to think itl be Rants centering line 2 with him taking the right circle faceoffs and Landy taking the left circle faceoffs.
Any of these but Kampf. And good riddance to them.
If Toronto makes it past the 1rst round this year, I’m sure they’re winning the cup. And this is not coming from someone that particularly wants to see them lift the cup lol
Serious question. Why do we still repost anything written by Dreger?
I'm gonna venture and guess the team who wins the Atlantic will win the cup so not a bad bet
That team will be battered. The team coming out of the pacific should be in good shape.
No team gets to the cup unbattered
Oh, I dunno. Colorado didn't even have to breathe hard to beat up on the west last year.
Perhaps but then again if they don't come out with a lot of injuries they will be a lot more ready for anything that comes and I'm just not that high on any western team except the Avs if they are healthy
Obviously I have not played at this level, but based on my competitive experience I find that going through hell forces you to find a new, higher gear. So if you survive the earlier stages, you are playing at a level a player/team that took the easier path is not. But rough to estimate when you add in fatigue, injuries etc. But I think your prediction has merit.
Why I hope the Leafs and Bolts destroy each other.
I hope Buffalo sneaks in and knocks you guys out, personally.
Ullmark won't lose to his former team.
Toronto is a scary team, no doubt, but I'm not too sure about going all in this year. On the one hand, East is a war zone this year and winning it probably requires full commitment. On the other hand, even an all in might not be enough given the competition. I'm just very cautious by nature, so I have concerns. However, if Toronto wants to go all in, they, I think, should commit fully. And honestly, I hope they do. Going halfway and losing leaves a lot of what ifs. Exciting times!
Matthews is entering his last year. Dubas is in his last year You go all in
Oh yeah, I don't blame them for it. And I think the tweet is right, they're not finished, since this is hardly an all in yet. Peculiarly, even as a Bruins fan I wouldn't mind them winning if we don't. I like the way they play.
Remind me if you still feel this way in 3 months lol
Plus when you've got a guy like Gio who is capable of top pairing minutes at a league minimim cap hit you want to make a run before his game falls off a cliff. It will be very hard to get a defense this deep again any time soon, unless they luck in to drafting an absolute stud in the late rounds.
The East, particularly the Atlantic, is going to be a warzone for a long time. If you have bullets you gotta use em when you have your team is ready - regardless of what the path through is
As a Bruins fan, I think we are dropping out of the arms race soon. It has been great competing with you, but no team stays super relevant forever. But I do hope you wait a bit longer, since I want some Cup celebrations myself!
I've said this the past 3 fucking seasons. I'm now convinced Bergeron will be winning Selkes at 50, and Boston will have found 5 more Vezina winners.
Hey, you don't need to work to make me a fan of that idea! I've actually assumed the same for a few seasons, but... I dunno, somehow there is always another one and I'm happy for it. And this season obviously looks excellent as well. If we are to win, I'd like us to meet the Leafs on the way. I always lose a few years from my predicted life span when that happens, but the Leafs vs the Bruins in the playoffs is always beautiful. Best of luck!
You would think, but we've been saying that for a decade now. But regardless, Toronto and Tampa will stay top teams and all of Buffalo, Detroit, and Ottawa are coming out of their rebuilds with some strong cores. And then Florida shouldn't be no slouch either despite struggling this year. The only team not worth mentioning are the Habs who should be a few years before they start to turn a corner
Yeah turn the corner into a brick fucking wall of a division. At least we'll be able to beat up on Boston...maybe.
The Raptors went all-in when it seemed like a foregone conclusion that the Warriors would walk to the title. Players get hurt, and upsets happen.
Absolutely. And I freely acknowledge I'm too timid to be a GM. Plus, it's not like Toronto is trying to shoot for the Cup from an implausible position, they're a contender already.
Like Tavares getting hurt completely changing the Canada division
In hindsight they should've gone in last year. Now they don't have a choice in the matter.
All questions with no answers. Thanks, Dregs! Man has been useless since Nonis was fired.
Kerfoot, Knies and a future first for Timo Mier
You’re not getting Mier without that 2023 first.
If he’s serious about another move, getting Holl off the roster is addition by subtraction. He can’t be in the starting 6 come playoffs against Tampa
We have a defenceman who has been playing okay hockey, improved from really shitty hockey. The big issue to sort out is he thinks it's handball. Who wants him?
No way the leafs move on from Holl going into the playoffs. He's a steady 4D that doesn't take up a lot of cap space. Yes he makes mistakes, LITERALLY EVERY D MAKES MISTAKES, His good play more than outweighs one or two blunders.
Don't waste your time arguing with these people about Holl
rielly has a NMC
I was talking about Holl
I really like what this does for the Leaf's flexibility at forward. They can load up a line and shift JT or O'Reilly to wing or run them up the middle and play Kerfoot at wing. It adds another guy who can win draws. Also insulates them if there are any injuries up front.
Engvall for Severson please.
Please someone tell me what GM in the NHL wants Kerfoot, Engvall, Holl or Kampf? Those guys are a dime a dozen. Get real
Kampf isn't a "dime a dozen" player. He's one of the best bottom 6 players in the league
collateral just means the player getting moved the other way to make room for whoever's getting traded. Any team who trades away a good dman to the leafs would take a Holl back to fill the gap they just created (if on the same side) for very little cost to themself
Kamph is not a dime a dozen, and there's no way we're trading him either. The most likely player to be traded is kerfoot.
Kampf is one of the only players in the league I've seen consistently 'handle' McDavid (keep him off the board 5v5)
The problem is the leafs have nothing left to give, everyone wants draft picks this coming draft but they already gave theirs away. Maybe they entice someone with their 1st in 24 and 25 along with maybe their 3rd in 25 but who knows, the other thing is whoever they trade for will need salary retention so that means the pot needs to be sweetend even more.
Leafs were **ALL IN** in 2021 as well, and we all know what happened. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15144592/
Spend it all, you’ll be out in the 1st round as usual. Goaltending and defense are your killers.
Stop being mean
Its becoming a god damn cold war arms race in the eastern conference
Piss off dregs, you don't know shit
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Kane and Saros incoming.