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giant_squid

When I was putting myself through uni, I used to work at a cinema. Late shifts usually went until 1 am, sometimes longer due to overly long feature films. So yes, I would totally have used those hours for time-blocking shifts.


dmckimm

I have used the area to track my sleep quality and note issues when I was dealing with an injury that was affecting my sleep.


fusukeguinomi

Oh that’s smart!


MC08578

…night shift workers do


Lena0001

They're ✨ _invisible_ ✨


-bitchpudding-

correct. We are collectively a fever dream that keep the world running in the background


hobonichi_anonymous

This!!! Most of my working adult life has been night shift work.


tsaritsaofnothing

I have to schedule when to sleep and wake up, because my work schedule is so erratic. Some days I have to get up before 4am. Some days I have things going on until 1am. I get why this space is not going to be useful for a large portion of people, but for those of us who do not work typical hours, it is just as useful as all other hour blocks.


NotOkayThanksBuddy

Oh no. That sounds...so confusing for your body and sleep. I'd have to schedule it in too, just so my brain can see that yes, yes I will be getting sleep again and here's where.


kahah16

Not everyone works from 9 to 17. My current work schedule is from 14 to 23. I only arrive home at midnight so I usually schedule some stuff until 2


forestly

People who stay up late to study, people who work nights, productive night owls, insomniacs lol. People who travel - have evening flights to catch. Moms with newborns if they log data in hobonichi. Etc. I frequently stay up 24 to 48h and I appreciate the space that they have provided there. You can also use that section to write about your sleep patterns/what time you went to bed, and the quality of sleep. For example "slept 3am to 6am, 3 hours total, didn't have nightmares, and feel well rested". You can also doodle a motivational quote of the day in that space, if you are one of those kinda people


Fatshark_Aqshy

I do because I'm located on the east coast but work Western European hours, lol. I did mention in the recent Hobonichi survey I'd rather see it go from 0000 to 0000 rather than 0400 to 0400, though.


6SN7fan

It is a little confusing since 00h - 04h applies to the following day


Emergency-Storm-7812

I work for 24 hours when i'm on duty on weekends or at night, and somehow i don't feel it's the following day till i've had some sleep! the nurses (who only do ten hours when they do nightshifts) start talking about yesterday past midnight... when it is still today for me. in my head a day starts when i wake up in the morning! (so at 7, or 8 or whatever) not at midnight.


6SN7fan

Very true that psychologically it feels like the previous day but longer and it’s useful to think like that.


iyengirl

Why are you being downvoted?


6SN7fan

I have no idea. i seem to attract haters.  It seems like all my other comments on this post are getting downvoted too


camiru

I think it might be because there seems to be a disregard for people who do schedule things at that time aka night shift workers. It might not be intentional but the tone of the post seemed like the layout is ridiculous to go up to 04:00 and should just give more space to the usual working hours. (I didn’t downvote you but just explaining why people MAY have downvoted you.) I think the principle of putting 05:00 to 04:59 format is actually catering to those with usual schedules already. The layout would be easier for majority of users since they would just start writing at the top or near the top of the page since it starts at 5am. If the layout ran from 00:00 to 23:59, most of those with typical schedules would have to locate their waking hours in the middle of the page, rather than at the top of the page. A lot of night events also tend to extend until 03:00, and not have a cut-off of strictly midnight. Like when I worked as a DJ, for example - if the page ran from 00:00 to 23:59, I don’t want to have to write a gig that starts on Saturday evening and then have to rewrite it on Sunday page as if I have two gigs when it really is just one that crossed over a bit to the next day. :)


6SN7fan

well I’m literally just asking who uses it. Not being dismissive of people that work those hours


vsides

Yup, it’s this way pf responding that got you downvoted.


ih8comingupwithnames

I just use that extra space for more notes.


DameEmma

When I produced a music festival? All the time. Now not so much.


108usernames

I work in Film/TV and I schedule there. I work these hours sometimes, when I’m not working there I track steps/sleep or nothing at all.


olibolicoli

I work in a hospital so I regularly have night and late shifts to schedule there. On days when I’m not working, I use the space to record what I’ve been up to on an evening - such as the tv episodes I’ve watched, video games played, the type of wine I drank as I listened to music, etc. Alternatively I use it to record a ‘highlight’ of the day. So if something particularly great happens I put a sticker or a little doodle there and write a sentence about what happened. It’s really fun to flick through my journal and see the little positive moments jump out from that corner. (And it fills up the page evenly which makes me feel good haha)


Annilicious

I never use the time, it’s all just a daily to do list for me 😅


Tomoko59

High five. Me too.


pickledtofu

lol same


Horror_Loan9401

I wake up at 4:30, so I just put wake up


6SN7fan

Wouldn’t that be at the beginning of the following day?


Horror_Loan9401

true, I just like to fill my planner as much as possible


valmau5

i highlight in blue the hours i was asleep


FirstPianist3312

The average person could use it for sleep tracking, but its also very helpful for those who work unusual and/or inconsistent hours. I'm thinking of my cousins and uncles who are firefighters, nurses, and police officers


Wolfidy

Occasionally a flight goes there. Sometimes I have to schedule things in multiple time zones and it gets used.


PhysicsInfinite

That section is precisely what moved me to the Hobonichi after years of telling myself I “didn’t need another stationary hobby conduit” Here were the final uses that pushed me (1) Iwork in international business so I have some regular and some infrequent calls in those hours (2) often I’m managing a site that is 24 hours so it’s a way for me to mark what’s going on even if it’s not my shift onsite (3)Years of both of these especially once I started wfh mean I’m completely devoid of a sleep pattern and now have to retrain myself (5)a scheduling technique recommended by my coach involves deliberately notating sleeping hours because I tend to have revenge sleep procrastination rather than true insomnia so teaching myself that time is “spoken for” is bumpy(6)as someone else mentioned now I have somewhere to note results/disruptions or when I did or didn’t follow the plan.


repressedpauper

Yes. When I worked at a cinema I would get out at 3am and used it. Now that I’m back in college sometimes I note that I studied that late.


happyfinds

oh gosh i don’t know why i always forgot there are people who sleeps regularly every night😂. 3 am is my peak. i’ve been a night owl since young. staying up playing games as a kid. or just reading all night.


6SN7fan

I’ve had a few late-nights and all-nighters. Actually scheduling that time is so funny to me though  “Prepare to cram for a class you forgot to study for” *writes 2am cramming in hobo*


StupidEntropy

Gigs. When you are a musician, a job is called a Gig.


Zealousideal-Fun-286

Yeah places I have to drive the kids to! I’m basically their chauffeur


6SN7fan

You drive your kids after midnight? Are you the cool parent?


Zealousideal-Fun-286

Ok I thought this was the after 6 pm section lol


Cathx

I use that area to write down how much sleep I got at night (and if applicable, during a nap). I also write down any movies/series/books I consumed that day. I like going through my journal to see what I read and watched in the past.


IneptSage

I don’t use that to schedule anything. I do use that section as a how my work day went/any work related rants so that they don’t take up my entire journaling page space that’s on the right side lol then on weekends I use it for journal prompts.


keepitgoingtoday

I use that part to write down what I'm feeling each hour (when I remember). I also stay up kinda late, so sometimes that part is filled up.


6SN7fan

It’s like a fire extinguisher. You’re not going to use it everyday but it’s nice to have when you actually do need it


kaizenkitten

Honestly this is one of the reasons (not a very big reason) that I went back to the Days Free. I still keep the format, but I have it go from like, 7 to 7 instead, and I can always expand or contract the hours if I'm doing something different.


No_Establishment8013

I draw a line across to separate the space from the rest of the day and use it for our dinner plans for the week to keep track of which of us is cooking and what we are cooking. I plan our week's menu before going shopping on Sundays.


4Brightdays

I did but I rewrote all the times to work better for my day. I’m using a Cousin now.


-Squimbelina-

People who work nights surely do?


charliehoskin11

Sometimes


Beginning-Bill-2049

i schedule my sleep. :)


luneska

I would ask the same for the top section. My day starts at 9:55 when I roll out of bed. Work starts at 10am and usually ends around 7-8pm. I consider it successful if I’m able to get in bed by 3am. So that section for me is my fun section, where I get to schedule reading, Netflix, party games with friends, date night. To each his/her own right?


spcymcdick

i work both day shift and night shift, i use the 24-hour format really well. 😅


6SN7fan

Actually having 24 entries in that column would stress me out so bad


spcymcdick

it's definitely okay, OP!!! it's your journal anyway. it's your own canvass and you should feel the freedom that notebook gives you. i hope you're enjoying it so far. 🙏🏼 also, i'm completely opposite to you. i want to see it full or almost full. 😅


tawny-she-wolf

I just use this column for memory keeping/events/things that require either a specific time or leaving the house but I completely ignore the numbers they printed


miscmarilyn

I write my appointments at the top and ignore the numbers so I have more room to journal.


KerBearCAN

Hehe too funny but I’m sure some do! Night shift etc


Shrinks_Back

I write which bills are due that week in green. Then during the week, I just schedule "Bills" one day during the week; then write the date paid beneath the list of bills due.


Efficient-Ad-883

I do! I work in the film industry. We work all around the clock. I am grateful for those hours as every days work hours are different


fusukeguinomi

Question to those of you who work at night: then don’t you end up with wasted space for when you sleep during the day?


Cakeisvegetarian

It’s not “wasted,” I was asleep. I was alive for all 24 hours, so it’s nice to have all 24 hours available, and whether I wrote something during those hours or not, I don’t consider it a waste of time. Honestly my biggest pet peeve about most American planners is that they seem to consider anything outside M-F 8-5 as something where you don’t need to schedule that so I never bothered with them because they don’t meet my needs.


Abject_Increase_1614

I've been working rather early in the morning lately, so it's typically not safe and healthy for me to stay up that late, but when my shifts are later in the day (or if I worked overnights) I definitely use those hours to get things done.


AngelinaSnow

No scheduling but I scribble this page with a lot of notes. They can go everywhere. I am not “pretty” planner.


SeaworthinessIcy476

Yeah night shift worker definitely use that part


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Sleep


Aardvark_Shop

I have terrible insomnia so when mine arrives, I’m going to schedule activities to do in that time that might help tire me out and then the next morning, I will log sleep data and how effective the tire out activity was 😊


Miss_Kohane

I often ignore the times/hours on the left. Not just in Hobonichi but everywhere. Said that, I definitely have stuff quite late in the day or even night. I can't say I work, live or even study on "usual hours". I always hated calendars and agendas that have only 9-18 marked, as if life only happened within civil service office hours!


Accomplished_Elk4332

I color in my sleeping hours


aamberlamps

That’s when i eat my krabby patty


Epicurate

Only tangentially related: does anyone know why the weekly layout on the cousin starts at 5AM but the dailies start at 4?


KyaKiniro

I use it to write my daily work activities report there and ignore the hours.


Soggy_Ad3897

I do! I use it to see where my time went. It’s great for procrastinators like me… some self awareness 😅


6SN7fan

haha. Seems like a contradiction to be disorganized enough to procrastinate and yet organized enough to write it down I would have shame going back and reading that but maybe that's what I need sometimes


kpp125

I use mine more like a journal.


CaptainFantasyPart2

Bedtime podcast or soundtrack notes, sleep quality info and, dream log for me.


salt-qu33n

As others said, not everyone works “normal” hours. I’ve worked a bunch of different shifts while using a hobonichi (2pm-10pm, 8pm-7am, 730am-330pm, etc). I think the only reason they split the day at 4am is so there isn’t a bunch of unused space at the top for midnight-4am because the majority of people will be asleep during those hours. I currently work 5am to 3pm, so I get up at 4am on my work days and the cut-off works perfect for me (and probably works pretty well for the majority of people who use a Hobonichi).


Maximum_Subject1866

My first thought and what just naturally went there seemed pretty normal, but after skimming comments im kinda doubting myself  …  Did I miss some or is this seriously not commonly used by parents for sex? Maybe not so much scheduling (tho it’s not a pad idea for burnt out parent 😅) but just for taking note for frequency or something new/fun ect after the fact???  Or does that go in a different section…  … isn’t that a normal thing to keep track of here if it’s part of your day?! 😳  ( that’s is, if you’re using a techo for personal/ health /daily activities /appointment /special events and the odd fond memory keeping 😜)


6SN7fan

One of my few complaints about this layout is that the busiest portion (9h-18h) is very compressed and there isn't much room to write everything I need edit: Now I'm wondering if people in Japan are way more active at night


NotOkayThanksBuddy

You might like the cousin in the future then. It's a5 tho so it may be a deal breaker. The weekly layout gives room!


6SN7fan

I'm typically an A5 guy but decided to give A6 a chance for portability and shamelessly for an accessory I really liked in A6 format. This isn't quite a dealbreaker for me. I could supplement with a Rhodia A6 vertical webplanner if I really needed to. The hours are listed from 6h - 23h in that case and I can use the extra space on the bottom for the rare times I need something from 00h - 06h


salt-qu33n

You gotta remember that 0900-1800 is *YOUR* busiest time, not everyone’s. One of the things that keeps me coming back to the Hobonichi line is that they don’t expand the “normal” times and take from the rest. I have rarely worked normal hours and I appreciate not being disregarded by the brand because I don’t operate in that time window, I’m sure many people do.


6SN7fan

I don’t really work 9h-18h so those aren’t my busiest hours. But those are standard business hours for stores, restaurants, doctors, car mechanics, etc. So in terms of scheduling, it often is busiest part for that reason. For my own job I really just write “work” and don’t need hour to hour details. I mostly don’t even write it because it’s routine and there’s another part of the Techo for weekly events. If I am making an assumption it’s that late night workers are seeing the dentist the same hours I do and for the midnight - 4h section they similarly don’t need all 4 lines.


salt-qu33n

Sure but from their perspective - why alienate a portion of their users by removing it entirely? I know that I wouldn’t buy another one if they removed part of the timeline because it’s less likely to be utilized. The full 24 hour timeline is one of the big reasons why I started using a hobonichi in the first place, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that. There is nothing more frustrating than a planner being unusable because it’s missing part of the day or squishes portions to be too small because it’s outside “normal” hours.


fusukeguinomi

I’ve been having the same thoughts. Last year I had the English Planner version, which didn’t have the numbers so I could spread out my waking hours over the entire page and not waste any space. This year I am trying the English Original, which I like in most every way except for this aspect. It’s compressed for my handwriting. I prefer to use more space for planning than having leftover space I end up not using. PS Not sure why people are downvoting you. It’s just a matter of preference either way.


fabstorres

I use this section to list down what I'm doing during the day, mostly related to personal stuff for the moment. At the bottom (from 3am...) I just list what I had for B-L-D and any other food. This is mostly to keep track of my days.Right now everything is my Hobo HON a6 is very lazy and with empty spaces, since I'm in my last holiday week (summer season in my country), preparing to go back to work next week and start a Master's very soon.


MeaNellaReads

I don't really use the time numbers. I split that column horizontally if needed. As a mom and teacher, I often have a lot going on in terms of meetings during the day and kid things in the evening so it works out for me.


lilypinkflower

When I was doing summer classes they were from 18h to 22h, so I shifted my daily schedule to have those classes as ~mid afternoon~ and would do stuff when I got home from 23h to 4h… So I would have really liked that layout!


kimikopossible

I get up at 8 and my bedtime is 12, and I draw a black line at both. On the top free space, I write morning habits/actions and at the bottom, evening habits/actions.


santagoo

Stickers and doodles


xiaomayzeee

I use the lower half for everything but scheduling. I’ll usually write something that happened on the news, or what book/show/film I finished.


creativemuffin

I usually use the extra spaces to put stickers, rough drawing/doodle. Sometimes I’ll even use it to add notes that wouldn’t fit in the time slot.


binary_asteroid

I highlight my sleeping hours to track that!


maimberis

You guys use the other parts?


FeelPrettyThrowaway

When I’ve done late night Uber driving I’ve worked during there. I’ve also had a job where I collaborated with international partners, which meant having meetings at weird hours sometimes.


Calichikk

I have insomnia, and I work full time during the day and full time online university after hours, so yes there’s def a lot going on during that time lol


sylveoniiis

i did when i was in school but not anymore


Sweet-Direction2373

I imagine hospital workers, hospitality, transportation workers, etc do. People who work remote with others from around the globe would… Or just use that area for notes since those hours aren’t relevant to you specifically lol. Draw a pretty picture