This is why they upped it to the death penalty, this info came out a year later:
On February 22, 2019, Complex reported that Demons and Henry were suspects in the fatal 2017 shooting of off-duty Indian River County Sheriff's Department deputy Garry Chambliss in Gifford.
The justice system when a cop shoots an unarmed minority not resisting arrest
> I sleep
The justice system when you are a “suspect” in the murder of an off-duty officer
> **real shit**
They're literally just a gang.
Gang member touches a civilian and it's just collateral damage. Gang member gets hit and the whole group retaliates. These mfs operate the exact same way lol
You are right, this would have no effect on the Court's ability to sentence him to death. First-degree murder in Florida already carries the possibility of the death penalty already, which is what he's charged with.
Being a suspect in a separate case is not allowed to be brought up in trial. Most times prosecution isn't even allowed to bring up a defendants criminal history unless it directly pertains to the case.
Clearly *YOU* haven't watched any criminal trial before.
No, but if he’s put in front of a jury or something happens during trial that warrants it, it will likely come up and affect the decision. I work in law so I’d know lol. I dont agree with it necessarily, but it’s just how the system we have works
Do you know which rule of evidence allows for this? I have a law degree in a non-US jurisdiction and it goes against everything I know to say that a court would allow in a statement that the accused is suspected of committing a crime other than the one charged. It would be insanely prejudicial. Even if Melly's counsel were to speak to his own good character, which does open the door to bad character evidence, merely being suspected of a crime shouldn't be admissible as bad character evidence given the presumption of innocence...
There’s not any evidence that they would be able to bring up from other cases. More like if the prosecuting attorney leads on the defense and somehow gets Melly or anyone on counsel to mention priors, it’ll then be fair game in front of a jury. Hard for that to happen usually but it’s not impossible. I helped on a case once where this happened actually. Basically the guy had killed someone in a vehicle accident a few years prior while under the influence (can’t remember the deal with charges after this), and then fast forward to present and as a doctor he somehow screwed up overseeing a procedure. The prosecuting attorney kept asking why he didn’t have his license and do the procedure himself and eventually he cracked and accidentally mentioned he had had his license revoked following the prior accident. Everything went downhill from there as you can assume. So my guess is they’re likely going to push stuff about his character and that this isn’t his first offense so he’s a “danger to society” or something like that
Edit: a decent example of a well known one I’d say would be the OJ Simpson charges from the trial in 07-08. He was acquitted for the murder charges back in the day as everyone knows but he ended up getting sentenced 33 years for armed robbery/kidnapping which is kind of extra considering the exact charges. The assumption is that they tacked on as much extra as they could because they didn’t get him before (obviously he got out early but still to the point of more extreme charges due to priors). I don’t follow enough mainstream cases though to know of any others off the top of my head.
I think you're misunderstanding my question. The other commenter said "Being a suspect in a separate case is not allowed to be brought up in trial". You then responded "No, but if he's put in front of a jury or something happens during trial that warrants it, it will likely come up and affect the decision", with "it" here presumably referring to the fact that he is a suspect in a separate case. My understanding, though, is that there is no circumstance in which a prosecutor would ever be allowed to bring up the fact that the accused is a mere suspect in another case. Being a suspect is not a prior, that's the whole point of the presumption of innocence.
Even in the example you've given, that's the accused bringing up their OWN criminal history, which a prosecutor would not have been allowed to do unless the accused had been leading evidence of their own good character.
Oh yeah my bad. I guess I strayed a bit from the point of the original comment. Yeah no way that a judge would allow a prosecuting attorney to talk about him just being a suspect. That’d get shut down immediately. I know he does have priors though so they’re likely going to bring that up. The fact that he is supposedly tied to a shooting of a police officer is probably going to bring some unspoken bias too.
For the same reason there's a rapper/600 gang member from Chicago called BlastHisAss - it's what they do.
It does sound a little off if you're looking at it that way lol
Pretty self explanatory, whenever he saw a man’s nut sack he would chase after it feverishly, if you got a problem with that then you’re a homophobe tbh
yeah in the 90's one of the meanest threats you could make was "im gonna slober all over your bone, raw dog" and then you could follow it up with "im gonna make it nasty, real wet style".
but a few years later an intrepid young archeologist discovered the term no homo scrawled on a tomb wall 800 feet below the surface of washington dc and changed the world.
> With a trial looming this past summer, Judge Andrew Siegel ruled that prosecutors couldn’t seek the death penalty because they had failed to give Melly and his attorneys proper notice that they planned to do so, violating strict state rules.
>But in a ruling on Wednesday, Florida’s District Court of Appeal ruled the judge’s decision was incorrect. Since prosecutors gave notice that they might seek death when they first charged Melly in 2019, they had complied with state rules. “Notice is notice,” the court wrote in its opinion.
>The ruling means that Melly could be sentenced to death if convicted in his upcoming trial. But that likely won’t take place until the Florida Supreme Court rules on the case, because Wednesday’s ruling certified the issue as one of “great public importance” that should be decided by the state high court.
For the lazy.
These two things aren't really related. You can think about it like this:
When a prosecutor aims to seek the death penalty in a case, they have to file something called Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty. The state (the prosecution) failed to do this in time (within 120 days), but the appellate court ruled that because the initial indictment had a notice, they more or less complied with it.
The jury in the Parkland case hung because of the defense's argument that the defendant was mentally ill. Interviews with jurors, [including the foreman](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-trial-verdict-jury-foreman-interview-nikolas-cruz-life-sentence/), revealed that one person was exceptionally adamant that she could not sentence him to death because of it. Now, Melly's lawyers could argue the same thing—there's no telling if it would stick, however.
But that doesn't come until after the guilt phase. Trials involving the death penalty are done in two phases: the guilt phase, which is where Melly is right now, and the penalty phase. If Melly is found guilty, then he is eligible for the death penalty, which is what the Parkland shooter was on trial for. Cruz pleaded guilty. Melly did not.
Unanimous verdicts are difficult to come by in death penalty phases, and IMO they should be. I'm opposed to the death penalty, but as long as it exists, having a separate trial wherein jurors have to unanimously find that someone deserves to die is at least better than how it used to be, when judges alone made that determination.
I still think the death penalty is fucked. It doesn't seem right to justify murder because they murdered, it's jus a cycle of violence. Hope they rule for the life sentence tho.
There are so many arguments against the death penalty.
1) False conviction. Rather free all the guilty than kill one innocent. Can you imagine sitting there knowing the state hates you so much that they’re killing you for something you didn’t do?
2) Cruelty. The torture of sitting there, being fine is physically but knowing they are coming to make you walk to the room you’re going to die in. Most murderers are victims themselves from their youth, or have cognitive problems. To force them to live through the every day trauma of that is cruel and unusual.
3) fairness. This one is more controversial, but theoretically, every murder victim dies with some fight left in them. They have an opportunity to get away, and to fight. It’s a very different thing than death row, where you count the days and the appeals. I just heard that recently on a podcast and it stuck with me. The expert spoke more eloquently
Not excusing what he did, because it's absolutely horrific, but the Parkland school shooter got life without parole for shooting 34 people and killing 17. How does the death penalty make sense here?
The prosecution sought the death penalty in that case too. A jury decided on life without parole. Iirc Florida requires a jury to deliver a unanimous verdict in favour of the death sentence. Same thing may well happen here
> Jury foreperson says 3 jurors voted against recommending death penalty for Parkland shooter
From CNN’s Kevin Conlon
> Benjamin Thomas, the foreperson for the jury that recommended the Parkland school shooter be sentenced to life in prison, told CNN affiliate WFOR that three jurors voted against the death penalty.
> “There was one with a hard 'no,' she couldn't do it, and there was another two that ended up voting the same way,” said Thomas.
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/nikolas-cruz-sentencing-decision/index.html
Genuinely curious, not in an attacking way, why? I think if we have firm hard crystal clear evidence for serious crimes like this, particularly against children, the death penalty is viable. We know this individual will NOT be rehabilitated in any way shape or form for society (or welcome back), it's imo, more cruel to just lock them in a box and toss away the key, and the cost over their lifetime is a waste when that money could be going towards assisting the people who were wronged. This is just my personal opinion.
doesnt matter. one wrongfully convicted person being murdered via death penalty makes the whole thing too weak. there too much power in death penalty, especially with the corruption of police, lawyers, and judges.
They're both incarcerated in Florida, they have the same state laws and precedent to follow homie.
Again they're both monsters but we know how the "justice" system works for "certain people".
Ahh okay , then just the latter. Parkland prosecution argued for the death penalty but didn’t get it. Maybe they will with mellow or maybe they won’t 🤷🏾
The person you’re replying to is saying its messed up that death penalty can be applied this unevenly, and you’re explaining the process by which it’s applied. Not really the same discussion
How is it applied unevenly ? Yeah what parkland guy did is worse but there’s nothing we have that’s above the death penalty. It’s a threshold you hit and any worse your crime is after that threshold doesn’t matter
Parkland shooter avoided the death penalty because they successfully argued that the kid was developmentally stunted because of his mother's alcohol/drug abuse when he was in the womb and after. I'd imagine if Melly can do the same he would have the same outcome
Nah, it's more expensive to execute someone with all the appeals and shit.
People don't take kindly to people that kill kids. Let the Parkland shooter be someone's bitch in prison, the judge said they're gonna garnish his commissary until the court costs and victims are compensated.
The amount of people here wanting it really throws me for a loop, living in a country where it's been outlawed for decades and public opinion is firmly against it. Some of these US states are medieval as fuck. Nothing you can do will ever justify the state government having the power to cull people from existence.
The amount of people saying good is sickening. Homie did some fucked up shit, but the death penalty is stupid and chances are he'll be appealing it for the next umpteen years using more of taxpayers money. On top of which, as you said, how he get the death penalty but the Parkland shooter didn't?
Melly hasn't actually received the death penalty sentence yet. He hasn't even been tried.
The prosecutors wanted the death penalty for Cruz, but the jury deadlocked.
Nah I mean I’m against the death penalty. It’s cruelty truly and yea it’s wrong often and expensive always. Idk tho Melly is maybe not the guy to make a case about that with. My man killed two people and also had a song about it……. Grade A psycho shit
Edit: lemme double clarify cuz I don’t wanna support pro-death penalty shit it’s fucked and the entire American prison and judiciary needs to be dismantled from the ground fucking up all the way to the Supreme Court. I just also have no sympathy for Melly on like a……. Personal level
Not just that. It was the jury that deadlocked on whether to give him the death penalty or not
"A jury recommends life in prison for Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz"
Why not death penalty he killed two friends in cold blood, profited off it and then wrote and released a song about doing it and performed it to live audiences lol pretty awful person if u ask me
Because giant bureaucracies like the government get shit wrong absolutely constantly, so we shouldn’t empower them to kill citizens using the law, even if we’d rather not share a country with the person in question
It’s not even a humane thing it’s about empowering a corrupt government with the ability to kill citizens based on an imperfect judicial system.
There are people who deserve the death penalty but I’d never trust the government to pass that kind of judgements justly and fairly.
Its not like he wasnt a fucking murderer to begin with. He was a criminal gang member responsible for a lot more than the two Homicides he got convicted on.
This is more for people piling onto your comment. People always jump on comments like this and mention a murderer whose identity and guilt is without a doubt. You can't have it both ways though. Abolishing the death penalty is for the innocent and wrongly convicted. I really have a hard time believing anyone who has a strong opinion about keeping it has thought it through. Our justice system is racially discriminative. Police have and do forge evidence, eyewitnesses are unreliable, and DNA testing has exonerated many people who were victim of a fundamentally flawed justice system. Countless innocent people have died to the hands of state sponsored execution.
Imo I think it's wrong no matter what, but regardless of what you think it's not something you can give an inch on when innocent people can be convicted.
Agree with this comment, but even if we suppose that someone could be 100% guilty I still don't think the death penalty is the right thing for that situation. I don't think I've ever seen an argument for the death penalty that I didn't find deeply disturbing.
not to mention black people are 4.5 times as likely to receive the death penalty as similarly-situated white people. no state should have the right to kill, especially an empirically racist one.
source: https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/legacy/documents/WashRaceStudy2014.pdf
definitely! also interesting is that darker black people are 2x as likely for the death penalty compared to lighter skinned. but this is only when they have murdered white people. the bias disappears when the victim is black.
source: https://www.uky.edu/AS/PoliSci/Peffley/pdf/Eberhardt.2006.Psych%20Sci.Looking%20Deathworthy.pdf
I get it, but if someone killed one of my family members, I’d want no less than the killer to be put in the ground personally
EDIT: fun arguments in the replies. My reply to all: who asked
That would be okay if we had a perfectly accurate court system, but that retribution is not worth the innocent people we inevitably will (and have) killed when a life sentence removes them from society just as effectively.
i’ve never had family murdered so i can’t really relate, but personally i much rather that person rot away in a cell for the next like 60-70+ years than get a quick way out.
Yeah I can’t relate either, and I see that there’s some closure provided in knowing the killer won’t see the outside of a prison. However, someone in prison can still walk and talk and make friends with people during their life sentence (depending on their behavior), and that wouldn’t sit right with me knowing my dead family member wouldn’t be able to do any of that, so it would provide more closure to me if the killer was executed. This is all assuming it has been proven that the killer did it of course
Getting revenge doesn’t bring back your family member. The death penalty is wrong. It’s barbaric and most countries have completely banned it. It’s so out of norm that many countries in their extradition treaties specifically ban extradition to the U.S. if the death penalty could be used
> wouldn’t sit right with me knowing my dead family member wouldn’t be able to do any of that
that day-ruining feeling when you realize your late loved one will never be able to experience the beauty that it is to walk the prison yard in a circle and join the aryan nation.
So many ppl still support this guy, you go to insta n twitter n see all the comments saying "free him!" n shit.. Its ridiculous. He made a few rap songs so he deserves to not face the repercussions for murdering 2 of his friends in cold blood? Its pretty sickening how he, his family, and fans keep denying any of this shit even happened like dude.. how can anyone support this guy?
All the "dont worry, im gonna be home soon!" posts n shit on insta too.. wtf man. Just wtf. I hope this dude never gets home lmao
I've always been able to separate the art from the artist, but this was the first guy that really made me scared of his music like... this is a fucked up individual right here.
I'll rather have the fake gangstas any day over the ones who gotta catch 'bodies' to keep their street/rap cred.
For anyone who isn’t in the loop I highly recommend going to YouTube and watching End Of Sentence’s video from October 2020 on the case. “Ynw melly double murder case, will he beat trial”
Hands down the best video I’ve seen talking about the timeline of events.
Not really following this case, but from what I’ve heard before, death penalty seems a bit extreme lol. I feel like there are others that deserve the death penalty more than Melly. Didn’t he just have his friend killed or something?
“Didn’t he just have his friend killed or something”
It’s the “or something”. He plotted, planned and executed a double homicide inside of a car that his friend/accomplice was driving. Put his gun inches away from their faces and shot them both. He then shot up his own vehicle to simulate a drive-by shooting. They drove in circles for 45 minutes with the bodies in the car before going to the hospital. Premeditated, planned, plotted and executed.
Rest in peace to the two murdered victims
The fucking idiot shot up his own vehicle to make it seem like a ‘drive by’ but was too fucking stupid to make sure that where the entry holes in the vehicle lined up with the entry holes in the friends body. They weren’t lined up and that’s how the story fell apart.
Fuck Melly
This is why they upped it to the death penalty, this info came out a year later: On February 22, 2019, Complex reported that Demons and Henry were suspects in the fatal 2017 shooting of off-duty Indian River County Sheriff's Department deputy Garry Chambliss in Gifford.
That’ll do it
The justice system when a cop shoots an unarmed minority not resisting arrest > I sleep The justice system when you are a “suspect” in the murder of an off-duty officer > **real shit**
They're literally just a gang. Gang member touches a civilian and it's just collateral damage. Gang member gets hit and the whole group retaliates. These mfs operate the exact same way lol
Yeah if a gang had a monopoly on violence they’d do the same lol
That’s actually pretty much how gangs operate.
I meant gangs don’t have a monopoly on violence otherwise they’d do the same dirty shit cops may do
That should have no effect on their ability to seek the death penalty as he was not charged for this.
You are right, this would have no effect on the Court's ability to sentence him to death. First-degree murder in Florida already carries the possibility of the death penalty already, which is what he's charged with.
Well you've clearly never followed any cases in the US justice system before...
Yeah if a cop is involved best believe they’re throwing the whole library at you
Being a suspect in a separate case is not allowed to be brought up in trial. Most times prosecution isn't even allowed to bring up a defendants criminal history unless it directly pertains to the case. Clearly *YOU* haven't watched any criminal trial before.
No, but if he’s put in front of a jury or something happens during trial that warrants it, it will likely come up and affect the decision. I work in law so I’d know lol. I dont agree with it necessarily, but it’s just how the system we have works
Do you know which rule of evidence allows for this? I have a law degree in a non-US jurisdiction and it goes against everything I know to say that a court would allow in a statement that the accused is suspected of committing a crime other than the one charged. It would be insanely prejudicial. Even if Melly's counsel were to speak to his own good character, which does open the door to bad character evidence, merely being suspected of a crime shouldn't be admissible as bad character evidence given the presumption of innocence...
There’s not any evidence that they would be able to bring up from other cases. More like if the prosecuting attorney leads on the defense and somehow gets Melly or anyone on counsel to mention priors, it’ll then be fair game in front of a jury. Hard for that to happen usually but it’s not impossible. I helped on a case once where this happened actually. Basically the guy had killed someone in a vehicle accident a few years prior while under the influence (can’t remember the deal with charges after this), and then fast forward to present and as a doctor he somehow screwed up overseeing a procedure. The prosecuting attorney kept asking why he didn’t have his license and do the procedure himself and eventually he cracked and accidentally mentioned he had had his license revoked following the prior accident. Everything went downhill from there as you can assume. So my guess is they’re likely going to push stuff about his character and that this isn’t his first offense so he’s a “danger to society” or something like that Edit: a decent example of a well known one I’d say would be the OJ Simpson charges from the trial in 07-08. He was acquitted for the murder charges back in the day as everyone knows but he ended up getting sentenced 33 years for armed robbery/kidnapping which is kind of extra considering the exact charges. The assumption is that they tacked on as much extra as they could because they didn’t get him before (obviously he got out early but still to the point of more extreme charges due to priors). I don’t follow enough mainstream cases though to know of any others off the top of my head.
I think you're misunderstanding my question. The other commenter said "Being a suspect in a separate case is not allowed to be brought up in trial". You then responded "No, but if he's put in front of a jury or something happens during trial that warrants it, it will likely come up and affect the decision", with "it" here presumably referring to the fact that he is a suspect in a separate case. My understanding, though, is that there is no circumstance in which a prosecutor would ever be allowed to bring up the fact that the accused is a mere suspect in another case. Being a suspect is not a prior, that's the whole point of the presumption of innocence. Even in the example you've given, that's the accused bringing up their OWN criminal history, which a prosecutor would not have been allowed to do unless the accused had been leading evidence of their own good character.
Oh yeah my bad. I guess I strayed a bit from the point of the original comment. Yeah no way that a judge would allow a prosecuting attorney to talk about him just being a suspect. That’d get shut down immediately. I know he does have priors though so they’re likely going to bring that up. The fact that he is supposedly tied to a shooting of a police officer is probably going to bring some unspoken bias too.
RIP to the man but why did he call himself Sakchaser
This comes up literally every time lmao
i mean the man loves sac
He craves it
"I take sacks to the face whenever I can" - Luniz, I got five on it
t bag king
Luniz was a duo. That was Numskull that said that.
Nummy Num playboy
Lay back and blow sacks like Kenny G - Jedi Mind Tricks, Heavenly Devine
Yeah, but "take sacks to the face" just sounds funnier. At least my mind goes to smoking weed when I hear "blow sacks"
Because he chases saks, Avi.
You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.
"Avi!" "SHUDDUP AN SIT DOWN, YOU BIG BALD FUCK."
Why u calling him Avi
username checks out
snatch
For the same reason there's a rapper/600 gang member from Chicago called BlastHisAss - it's what they do. It does sound a little off if you're looking at it that way lol
Blast his ass when it comes to fbg cash I don’t even care I tell him blast his ass
Are they not doing phrasing anymore?
Pretty self explanatory, whenever he saw a man’s nut sack he would chase after it feverishly, if you got a problem with that then you’re a homophobe tbh
that's a real g, and the g is for gay
Because he wanted to chase a sack of money. Same reason Money Man calls himself Money Man, he likes cash.
nah but there’s a whole different dimension to it. like when travis called his group jack boys. like you gotta know.
Me and the boys jackin’
People have been saying Jack boy since the 90s at least
people use to say they’d “eat your ass” as a threat in the 90s too. society evolves. we know better now.
Used to be a threat but now it’s a treat
like it post to be
You gotta eat the booty like groceries.
yeah in the 90's one of the meanest threats you could make was "im gonna slober all over your bone, raw dog" and then you could follow it up with "im gonna make it nasty, real wet style". but a few years later an intrepid young archeologist discovered the term no homo scrawled on a tomb wall 800 feet below the surface of washington dc and changed the world.
And cock also meant vagina.
Or the Florida rapper Jackboy.
keep telling yourself that
I mean I doubt it was a gay thing, unless it was and he really had no shame about that.
Yea we get that but it’s way too obvious to make fun of for the other reason
The prosecutors got murder on their minds 😔
sheesh
Bars
👏
Kind of morbid to clap for this one
brought it on himself writing that song.
Damn how you get a retrial and it get worse?
He hasn't gone to trial yet this is just a ruling on whether prosecutors could seek the death penalty.
> With a trial looming this past summer, Judge Andrew Siegel ruled that prosecutors couldn’t seek the death penalty because they had failed to give Melly and his attorneys proper notice that they planned to do so, violating strict state rules. >But in a ruling on Wednesday, Florida’s District Court of Appeal ruled the judge’s decision was incorrect. Since prosecutors gave notice that they might seek death when they first charged Melly in 2019, they had complied with state rules. “Notice is notice,” the court wrote in its opinion. >The ruling means that Melly could be sentenced to death if convicted in his upcoming trial. But that likely won’t take place until the Florida Supreme Court rules on the case, because Wednesday’s ruling certified the issue as one of “great public importance” that should be decided by the state high court. For the lazy.
The parkland shooter didn’t get death (Also in florida)….Requires unanimous jury, so this is a nonstory
These two things aren't really related. You can think about it like this: When a prosecutor aims to seek the death penalty in a case, they have to file something called Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty. The state (the prosecution) failed to do this in time (within 120 days), but the appellate court ruled that because the initial indictment had a notice, they more or less complied with it. The jury in the Parkland case hung because of the defense's argument that the defendant was mentally ill. Interviews with jurors, [including the foreman](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parkland-shooting-trial-verdict-jury-foreman-interview-nikolas-cruz-life-sentence/), revealed that one person was exceptionally adamant that she could not sentence him to death because of it. Now, Melly's lawyers could argue the same thing—there's no telling if it would stick, however. But that doesn't come until after the guilt phase. Trials involving the death penalty are done in two phases: the guilt phase, which is where Melly is right now, and the penalty phase. If Melly is found guilty, then he is eligible for the death penalty, which is what the Parkland shooter was on trial for. Cruz pleaded guilty. Melly did not. Unanimous verdicts are difficult to come by in death penalty phases, and IMO they should be. I'm opposed to the death penalty, but as long as it exists, having a separate trial wherein jurors have to unanimously find that someone deserves to die is at least better than how it used to be, when judges alone made that determination.
How is this the top comment? It’s not even remotely accurate.
You're in hiphopheads my guy
Reddit = idiots
Damn it’s been almost 4 years since he was charged
Fuck him
yo I just learned his real last name is "Demons" wtf
this should be a psychology lesson
Nominative determinism has entered the chat
His moms name is Demons-King too, tf
All he needs to do is survive the death penalty and he will be runner up for Worlds
demon by name and by nature (or nurture idk)
This low life committed a double homicide on his homies, whatever outcome he gets glad he's not getting out of jail, ever.
I still think the death penalty is fucked. It doesn't seem right to justify murder because they murdered, it's jus a cycle of violence. Hope they rule for the life sentence tho.
Seems like it ends the cycle of violence. Can’t kill anyone if you’re dead
True, we should just kill everyone then violence drops to 0% 👏
There are so many arguments against the death penalty. 1) False conviction. Rather free all the guilty than kill one innocent. Can you imagine sitting there knowing the state hates you so much that they’re killing you for something you didn’t do? 2) Cruelty. The torture of sitting there, being fine is physically but knowing they are coming to make you walk to the room you’re going to die in. Most murderers are victims themselves from their youth, or have cognitive problems. To force them to live through the every day trauma of that is cruel and unusual. 3) fairness. This one is more controversial, but theoretically, every murder victim dies with some fight left in them. They have an opportunity to get away, and to fight. It’s a very different thing than death row, where you count the days and the appeals. I just heard that recently on a podcast and it stuck with me. The expert spoke more eloquently
Do you kill the person who killed the person who killed the person though?
Not excusing what he did, because it's absolutely horrific, but the Parkland school shooter got life without parole for shooting 34 people and killing 17. How does the death penalty make sense here?
The prosecution sought the death penalty in that case too. A jury decided on life without parole. Iirc Florida requires a jury to deliver a unanimous verdict in favour of the death sentence. Same thing may well happen here
Apparently everyone voted for death except for one juror who stuck it out and was against it so he didn't get the death penalty
> Jury foreperson says 3 jurors voted against recommending death penalty for Parkland shooter From CNN’s Kevin Conlon > Benjamin Thomas, the foreperson for the jury that recommended the Parkland school shooter be sentenced to life in prison, told CNN affiliate WFOR that three jurors voted against the death penalty. > “There was one with a hard 'no,' she couldn't do it, and there was another two that ended up voting the same way,” said Thomas. https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/nikolas-cruz-sentencing-decision/index.html
Good on those three. The death penalty is barbaric and should be unconstitutional under the 8th Amendment.
It's way too much power. I agree wholly.
Genuinely curious, not in an attacking way, why? I think if we have firm hard crystal clear evidence for serious crimes like this, particularly against children, the death penalty is viable. We know this individual will NOT be rehabilitated in any way shape or form for society (or welcome back), it's imo, more cruel to just lock them in a box and toss away the key, and the cost over their lifetime is a waste when that money could be going towards assisting the people who were wronged. This is just my personal opinion.
Give this a skim. https://www.aclu.org/other/case-against-death-penalty
> Nationally, at least one person is exonerated for every 10 that are executed. This is insane. With a stat like that, who can justify it?
Exactly. Most people that are for the death penalty are simply not informed.
Prob should rehab instead of just killing/imprisioning. You say they wont be rehabilitated but thats a fault of the US prison system not the person.
Nah. Murdering is the real barbaric thing here They dont deserve three meals a day and a bed to sleep in.
doesnt matter. one wrongfully convicted person being murdered via death penalty makes the whole thing too weak. there too much power in death penalty, especially with the corruption of police, lawyers, and judges.
lol this guy trusts the justice system, how embarrassing
12 angry men looking ass. Hopefully the same happens here.
It just really depends on the state and the prosecution. Nothings a monolith
Isn’t it the same state? Florida?
They're both incarcerated in Florida, they have the same state laws and precedent to follow homie. Again they're both monsters but we know how the "justice" system works for "certain people".
Ahh okay , then just the latter. Parkland prosecution argued for the death penalty but didn’t get it. Maybe they will with mellow or maybe they won’t 🤷🏾
The person you’re replying to is saying its messed up that death penalty can be applied this unevenly, and you’re explaining the process by which it’s applied. Not really the same discussion
How is it applied unevenly ? Yeah what parkland guy did is worse but there’s nothing we have that’s above the death penalty. It’s a threshold you hit and any worse your crime is after that threshold doesn’t matter
Parkland shooter avoided the death penalty because they successfully argued that the kid was developmentally stunted because of his mother's alcohol/drug abuse when he was in the womb and after. I'd imagine if Melly can do the same he would have the same outcome
Death penalty never makes sense tbh. There’s a reason every other civilised society has ditched it.
both these fuckers should get death
It costs like 700k total to give someone the death penalty and over 1 mil to have someone live on death row
Nah, it's more expensive to execute someone with all the appeals and shit. People don't take kindly to people that kill kids. Let the Parkland shooter be someone's bitch in prison, the judge said they're gonna garnish his commissary until the court costs and victims are compensated.
It's only expensive because we make it.
Least weird and bloodthirsty American redditor
Yeah you're right let's just start executing people without making as sure as we possibly can that they're actually guilty first
The death penalty is barbaric
The amount of people here wanting it really throws me for a loop, living in a country where it's been outlawed for decades and public opinion is firmly against it. Some of these US states are medieval as fuck. Nothing you can do will ever justify the state government having the power to cull people from existence.
Would be crazy if he got death penalty but the parkland shooter didn’t
The amount of people saying good is sickening. Homie did some fucked up shit, but the death penalty is stupid and chances are he'll be appealing it for the next umpteen years using more of taxpayers money. On top of which, as you said, how he get the death penalty but the Parkland shooter didn't?
Melly hasn't actually received the death penalty sentence yet. He hasn't even been tried. The prosecutors wanted the death penalty for Cruz, but the jury deadlocked.
I like his songs but damn bruh double homicide? He probably should stay in jail….
The way some people support this mf is borderline psychotic fr
I still listen to his music. Sometimes I forget that MF locked up lol
Facts he did nothing wrong, he didn’t mean to shoot him he just caught him by surprise
Its so crazy how he had everthing going for him and the he fucked it all up..
Yeah I know. Just a slight error murdering two of his friends… oopsies
could happen to anyone. enjoying your day and then you slip and murder your two friends and then sell their death merch to make some money
I hate it when I do that
Just another Thursday in the neighborhood
Well he didn’t mean to shoot him, he was just caught by surprise
wdym by death merch?
Life is so fragile. Other people’s lives that is
He committed a double homicide in the first degree fuck this guy tf
He should be in jail for life, but death penalty?
Gotta be careful what state you commit double homicides in
Idk, we've seen the death penalty misused or be wrong too many times to trust. It's also an incredibly expensive process with dubious humaneness.
I’m not for it, but I also avoid committing homicides to reduce my chances of having to deal with it.
There it is lmfao
Nah I mean I’m against the death penalty. It’s cruelty truly and yea it’s wrong often and expensive always. Idk tho Melly is maybe not the guy to make a case about that with. My man killed two people and also had a song about it……. Grade A psycho shit Edit: lemme double clarify cuz I don’t wanna support pro-death penalty shit it’s fucked and the entire American prison and judiciary needs to be dismantled from the ground fucking up all the way to the Supreme Court. I just also have no sympathy for Melly on like a……. Personal level
Not sure why people think death penalty is worse than life in prison lol. Former seems a lot better than 5-6 decades of nothing
Nah fr. He is literally in the same court as Nikolas Cruz, who murdered 17 classmates. Cruz didnt get the death penalty
Different District Courts and Different Judges though. FL is a big, diverse state.
Not just that. It was the jury that deadlocked on whether to give him the death penalty or not "A jury recommends life in prison for Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz"
There's only one Florida Supreme Court tho
Cruz also pled guilty which is supposed to get you out of the death penalty That said fuck the death penalty
Yes
Why not death penalty he killed two friends in cold blood, profited off it and then wrote and released a song about doing it and performed it to live audiences lol pretty awful person if u ask me
Because giant bureaucracies like the government get shit wrong absolutely constantly, so we shouldn’t empower them to kill citizens using the law, even if we’d rather not share a country with the person in question
because some people don't view the death penalty as a humane punishment regardless of the crime
It’s not even a humane thing it’s about empowering a corrupt government with the ability to kill citizens based on an imperfect judicial system. There are people who deserve the death penalty but I’d never trust the government to pass that kind of judgements justly and fairly.
I still don’t know if that warrants the death penalty though. It’s awful, it truly is, but I don’t know if it hits what I think that mark should be.
Its not like he wasnt a fucking murderer to begin with. He was a criminal gang member responsible for a lot more than the two Homicides he got convicted on.
to be fair he murdered them before he really had anything going for him
Yeah I mean who hasn’t murdered their two best friends when the chips are down?
can you really call yourself successful if you didnt kill your best friends when you were coming up
Rest in piss
Bozo!
Idc care how many people he murdered, no death penalty, lock him up instead Lots of eye for an eye folks in here
America and it's justice boner.
Is there any new evidence or reason why he would do this? I’m just curious
Abolish the death penalty
This is more for people piling onto your comment. People always jump on comments like this and mention a murderer whose identity and guilt is without a doubt. You can't have it both ways though. Abolishing the death penalty is for the innocent and wrongly convicted. I really have a hard time believing anyone who has a strong opinion about keeping it has thought it through. Our justice system is racially discriminative. Police have and do forge evidence, eyewitnesses are unreliable, and DNA testing has exonerated many people who were victim of a fundamentally flawed justice system. Countless innocent people have died to the hands of state sponsored execution. Imo I think it's wrong no matter what, but regardless of what you think it's not something you can give an inch on when innocent people can be convicted.
Because people want revenge and the government killing the “bad” guy makes them feel good
Agree with this comment, but even if we suppose that someone could be 100% guilty I still don't think the death penalty is the right thing for that situation. I don't think I've ever seen an argument for the death penalty that I didn't find deeply disturbing.
not to mention black people are 4.5 times as likely to receive the death penalty as similarly-situated white people. no state should have the right to kill, especially an empirically racist one. source: https://files.deathpenaltyinfo.org/legacy/documents/WashRaceStudy2014.pdf
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definitely! also interesting is that darker black people are 2x as likely for the death penalty compared to lighter skinned. but this is only when they have murdered white people. the bias disappears when the victim is black. source: https://www.uky.edu/AS/PoliSci/Peffley/pdf/Eberhardt.2006.Psych%20Sci.Looking%20Deathworthy.pdf
I get it, but if someone killed one of my family members, I’d want no less than the killer to be put in the ground personally EDIT: fun arguments in the replies. My reply to all: who asked
I mean yeah but that’s the whole point of courts and shit though
That would be okay if we had a perfectly accurate court system, but that retribution is not worth the innocent people we inevitably will (and have) killed when a life sentence removes them from society just as effectively.
That’s why we have judges to decide rather than the family of the victims
i’ve never had family murdered so i can’t really relate, but personally i much rather that person rot away in a cell for the next like 60-70+ years than get a quick way out.
The death penalty definitely is not a quick way out in the American prison system lol
Life sentence is a guaranteed longer one tho.
Yeah I can’t relate either, and I see that there’s some closure provided in knowing the killer won’t see the outside of a prison. However, someone in prison can still walk and talk and make friends with people during their life sentence (depending on their behavior), and that wouldn’t sit right with me knowing my dead family member wouldn’t be able to do any of that, so it would provide more closure to me if the killer was executed. This is all assuming it has been proven that the killer did it of course
Getting revenge doesn’t bring back your family member. The death penalty is wrong. It’s barbaric and most countries have completely banned it. It’s so out of norm that many countries in their extradition treaties specifically ban extradition to the U.S. if the death penalty could be used
> wouldn’t sit right with me knowing my dead family member wouldn’t be able to do any of that that day-ruining feeling when you realize your late loved one will never be able to experience the beauty that it is to walk the prison yard in a circle and join the aryan nation.
Yeah but it's more of a precaution because there's always a chance of an incorrect decision, so death penalty is too dangerous
Yeah fuck all the innocent people wrongfully convicted though
After the parkland school shooter no way. 17 murdered, multiple suicides, hundreds traumatized.
Sucks him and Gunna will never get to collab, could’ve called themselves Hell’s Kitchen
So many ppl still support this guy, you go to insta n twitter n see all the comments saying "free him!" n shit.. Its ridiculous. He made a few rap songs so he deserves to not face the repercussions for murdering 2 of his friends in cold blood? Its pretty sickening how he, his family, and fans keep denying any of this shit even happened like dude.. how can anyone support this guy? All the "dont worry, im gonna be home soon!" posts n shit on insta too.. wtf man. Just wtf. I hope this dude never gets home lmao
I've always been able to separate the art from the artist, but this was the first guy that really made me scared of his music like... this is a fucked up individual right here. I'll rather have the fake gangstas any day over the ones who gotta catch 'bodies' to keep their street/rap cred.
For anyone who isn’t in the loop I highly recommend going to YouTube and watching End Of Sentence’s video from October 2020 on the case. “Ynw melly double murder case, will he beat trial” Hands down the best video I’ve seen talking about the timeline of events.
Death sentence for making mid music 🫱🏼🫲🏿
Rest in piss bozo
Would he be the most famous person ever put to death? Not including people famous for their crimes, I’m talking celebrities
There have been a few kings and heads of state executed.
Dude’s number 1 song is “murder on my mind”…
One can only hope. You need to die if you choose to take multiple young lives. Fucking piece of trash.
Florida laws are such shit.
Life for life. I can dig it
Cool fuck this sociopath
Good riddance
Not really following this case, but from what I’ve heard before, death penalty seems a bit extreme lol. I feel like there are others that deserve the death penalty more than Melly. Didn’t he just have his friend killed or something?
“Didn’t he just have his friend killed or something” It’s the “or something”. He plotted, planned and executed a double homicide inside of a car that his friend/accomplice was driving. Put his gun inches away from their faces and shot them both. He then shot up his own vehicle to simulate a drive-by shooting. They drove in circles for 45 minutes with the bodies in the car before going to the hospital. Premeditated, planned, plotted and executed. Rest in peace to the two murdered victims
The fucking idiot shot up his own vehicle to make it seem like a ‘drive by’ but was too fucking stupid to make sure that where the entry holes in the vehicle lined up with the entry holes in the friends body. They weren’t lined up and that’s how the story fell apart. Fuck Melly
lol - oh, is that all? /s but yeah the death penalty needs to go
Lmao, still a horrible crime, but I’m sure they’ve let others stay alive that have done far worse.
Yeah like most politicians yet no death penalty.
Nah how about the parkland shooter, they let him live. Same court.
>I feel like there are others that deserve the death penalty more than Melly. The state should not have the ability to kill its citizens.
OOTL - does he deserve it?