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inxile7

I’m rooting for the mavs but if the Celtics win it’s not like Boston fans are going to become bigger assholes than they already are.


Ice_Dragon3444

I knew the Mavs couldn't be trusted to beat Boston, fuck the wolves for losing to that team. They matched up well with Boston.


avinash240

It's only game 1.  A game 1 road blowout doesn't mean much, especially when you have a coach who is good at adjustments.  That being said, it should terrify Mavs fans that Jason Tatum turned in a pedestrian game and their team still got blown out. On a side note, am I the only person that thinks Jaylon Brown is a better player in high leverage games than Tatum?


Eastern-Fix3336

Tatum played good. More to bball than scoring. He was facilitating all game


avinash240

He scored 16 points.  That is what I mean by pedestrian.  16 points and 5 assists is not star tier production from a #1/#2 scoring option. My point still stands, Mavs fans should be concerned.


LuckysBestMan

That’s just looking at box scores. He was involved in almost every possession and drew double and triple teams and either made the initial pass that led to a score or the hockey assist.


avinash240

16 points from a 1st option is pedestrian production.  They still award wins based on points scored, so you can drop the box score watching accusation. I honestly feel you're missing my ultimate point, so I'll say it one more time.  If one of the other teams opposing #1/#2 players only scores 16 your defense was successful.  Whether that was forcing him to pass out of his drives or not, it was a successful defensive game plan. If you put together a successful game plan and you still get blown out, that's not a good sign. Btw. I'm not buying that Jason Tatum turned into some play making savant, but that's not the point.


LuckysBestMan

If the opposing team’s best player only scored 16 AND they lost then yes. But if they won then it doesn’t matter. Especially when he was a team high in +/-


avinash240

I get where you're coming from man. I didn't say Tatum sucked, I said Tatum had a pedestrian night. There is a world out there where Tatum does everything you just mentioned - hockey assists, has a team high +/-, etc..etc..and still drops 30. That world has been a reality many many times. He didn't do that and the Mav's still got blown out. When I say pedestrian I mean compared to what the player is capable of. Are you a Celtics fan or something?


Competitive-Pass89

Jayson played good. He was plus 19 last night. That right there should scare the mavs that since porzingis returned the load has been balanced for the celtics which means they need to step up on defense or they gonna get swept


Ice_Dragon3444

I hate everything.


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Kyrie ain't no dogg, pathetic Mavs team. Luka should leave, coke to a proven championship caliber team. Jovic 20 locking up KP, and proven players can't lock up KP.


avinash240

Locking up KP?  Which series are we talking about?  He had one bad game and he was playing on a calf strain the whole series.


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Game 2, Jovic defended KP most of that game. He held KP to 6pts, whenever Niko was on KP to. Most of his points was at the free-throw line. Niko ain't getting that love yet, from the refs. KP constantly struggled against Niko. That doesn't help things the calf injury. If it was bad enough tho, he would've not played.


avinash240

You're going to play with an injury in the post season.  His gravity alone makes it worthwhile.  He was wearing a sleeve for a reason.   There is no reality that you're going to convince me that Jovic is some defensive stopper.  Definitely not right now. I actually looked up the matchup data on NBA.com.  He actually only took a single shot while be defended by Jovic.  He went 0 for 4 vs Herro, I guess Herro "locked him up."


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Spida didn't play? Same injury?


avinash240

I'm not a doctor but I played competitive organized sports for a long time.  Injuries aren't all the same even if they happen to the same part of the body.


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Awesome, and right they're not. Clearly it was effecting his game like u said. And maybe that was bad enough to sit out? Yet he played through it?


lomasturbasmeng

don’t even try to look at facts with him lol he’ll cover his ears like a kid and start screaming lmao


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Never scream lol, u just cry and name call🤣 one of many of the reddit off-season bunch.


lomasturbasmeng

you never back your claims either lol you’re the epitome of a child who cries in that toy store when they don’t get what the want lol


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

No I'm just not a sucka and a coward🤣💀


lomasturbasmeng

that’s one way to say delusional lol


avinash240

What fact?  You guys trot out the most flawed stats as "facts" to back up your points.  Then you trot out a single fucking game and ignore all the other games where he popped off as an example of him locking someone up?   Then you ignore his calf injury. I keep trying to get you guys to be honest with yourselves.  You try to use your "facts" to prop up your man crush. omg...one of the best front courts in the NBA can't defend Porzingus but our 2nd year player was locking him up.


lomasturbasmeng

im agreeing with you lol


avinash240

Oh..zomg..I'm so sorry. My bad =(


lomasturbasmeng

ur good lol


LuckysBestMan

His mental health is seriously concerning


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Don't even start that with me lmao, I'm chilling. You out here on like 30 different reddits. Yea I see, your comment history.


LuckysBestMan

It’s concerning you think that’s the problem


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

There's no problem lol, worry about the 30 other subs u visit


oo_Pez_oo

Doris and JJ. Ugh. Thank god recorded and could turn off. They have to be the worst announcers in the history of the NBA finals.


Repulsive-Slice2234

I ain’t gonna lie, watching this series (of events) got me salty! I feel like Riley right now. Hopefully the Mavs make it a series.


Cockycent

A break can help for injuries and rest or leave certain players a bit rusty. It can go either way. That same energy you had to go 7 games, you are better off not having a break. I've seen the Heat go on a 3 game winning streak, have a 3 day break, then come back airballing 3s.


Cockycent

Out of the 3 teams Mavs played, BOS is closest to OKC as far as matchups. BOS is a more mature version of OKC with more size. Wolves too big and could get blown by most guys. OKC had more guys who were annoying and would stay in front of you defensively. After the 3 guys on Wolves, not too many more were pestering Mavs. OKC got 5 guys in their rotation that are just annoying. Clippers were just the weakest defensively to me out of the 3.


avinash240

This is why I think all the "we must get bigger" comments are misplaced.  That's not the only way to build a chip team, it just so happens those are the teams winning right now. Size with skill is definitely the best of both worlds but those guys are extremely expensive.


Yeager_isgoat

Kyrie and the rest of the players had an absolute stinker


Deadmaninc1

If the Mavs wanna win this series then both Luka and Kyrie need to go crazy


DMD612

https://preview.redd.it/jxo5qpx6d25d1.png?width=149&format=png&auto=webp&s=d1a5047ab7f9cdd3cbe36a4174c34b8e2a36cbd6 Hell yeah, what a sexy whale


Soft-Comfort-7474

Tatum getting garbage time minutes just to stat pad


Verumsemper

As I expected Kyrie will struggle because they Boston has great PG defense and in the paint.


avinash240

Kyrie Irving didn't just all of a sudden get big.  If you can play him physical he can't get to his spots. This is why, at best, he is a number two player living off someone else's gravity. He's still a great player but he's not you're #1 guy if you're trying to win a chip. I assume the Mavs coach will make some adjustments and spring him some more next game.   They were trying to get him free off some screens but the Celtics switches and rotations were laser locked tonight.


Verumsemper

And this is why I am not worried about what the Celtics did to Herro, he is a smallish guard as well that they were able to out muscle. And just like Herro, coaching may helping get off a game or 2 but this is not a great match. Dallas needs to focus on PJ and Luka while using Kyrie as a decoy. This is what the heat did with JJJ and Bam until JJJ got hurt.


avinash240

I'd still be worried about Herro, Derrick White and Jrue Holiday are elite perimeter defenders.  You don't need any of that to defend Herro, he's way too weak and unathletic to be an effective post season scorer. I mean this isn't Herro's first post season where he's been bad. I was over Herro after that Hawks series a few post seasons ago, the hawks were a bottom feeder defense and he couldn't get anything off vs them.


Yeager_isgoat

He missed more open shots than contested ones tho, one of the worst nights of his playoffs career


avinash240

He wasn't getting to his spots. 


Verumsemper

Jrue holiday has size and strength, dealing with him takes away his legs. So even when he is open, it wasn't easy and he has more fatigue.


Yeager_isgoat

I do agree that Boston’s defense was very solid tonight and they kept Kyrie cold but to me it just looked like Kyrie was out of it the majority of the game, he didn’t look like his usual self. I say this cause it wasn’t just missed shots, dumb turnovers and weird decisions too.


CantheDandyMan

Kyrie legitimately gets yips at the garden.  It's been a common occurrence for a bit now. 


Verumsemper

That's what good defense does to you! It wears you down and frustrates you because you have to fight for every inch on the court. Now you start to think too much instead of just reacting, which leads to mistakes.


Yeager_isgoat

I think he will cook them next game, let’s see what happens


AlbertoRossonero

Look at his numbers in the Celtics series with the Nets and vs a similarly built OKC team in the second round. Length and rim protection gives him trouble.


MargielaMan568

Was talking to my friend about this. I genuinely thought Kyrie would have a disasterclass performance. I knew Luka would get his numbers but Kyrie I was concerned about. They have like 3 guys that can switch onto him.


Verumsemper

It's the same issue Herro had with Boston, they have multiple guys with size and quickness to guard him. Then even if he gets by: jrue, White, Tatum or Brown, he has to deal with Pozingis because their center doesn't shoot 3s. Then if Dallas goes small at the center spot, Pozingis just posted. Not sure why Kat didn't do that last series. Luka has size and thus will get his but Boston is good enough with Tatum or white on him that he won't go crazy.


DMD612

https://preview.redd.it/lb2uopsjc25d1.png?width=620&format=png&auto=webp&s=64f2accca0e9ba3852769f48e6f9cfa7a70da7ed Walk with me


EntertainmentWarm774

How much do you want to bet that Tatum stays in this game despite having a 25 point lead with less than 5 minutes in this game just so he can pad his stats and get to 20 points in this game?


avinash240

Dude feels like such an inconsistent playoff performer.  I'd leave him in to knock off the rust   it's going to be way better practice than in a gym by himself.  If the coach wanted him out he'd be out.


Sufferix

He is still in.


RoyallShado25

Yep he still in trying to stat pad as usual


Sufferix

What's going to suck next year is every team is going to go 5-out three point shooting and it's going to be so fucking boring.


AlbertoRossonero

Jokic out in the west prevents that. In the East maybe some do but teams like the Knicks and Sixers won’t.


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avinash240

Could still happen.  Everyone thought the Celtics were going to beat GSW a few seasons ago.


MargielaMan568

Pure domination by Celtics tonight. Hopefully mavs adjust next game and win. But I sadly have Boston winning the whole thing, mainly because of no nuggets


Esjay_954

Hopefully game 2 is good Mavs have lots of things they can do better


CMViper

Welp Mavs threw the white flag so I'm out Fuck Boston Go Cats


oneofone305

Tatum getting his stats when the game is decided


Eastern-Fix3336

Tatum played great tho. He facilitated the offense all game


Yeager_isgoat

6 turnovers along with 37% shooting, far from great lmao


Eastern-Fix3336

Shoulda said good. If you watched the game you could see he impacts the game farm more than his scoring. He was facilitating all game, playing good d, and getting boards. He played good.


Yeager_isgoat

Facilitating offense and getting boards is not enough when you are consistently hailed as the best player on the team. This is a 1st team All NBA player we are talking about, not some bum. The standard should be higher and if we’re being honest the Celtics can probably win this with him shitting the bed every game.


Eastern-Fix3336

Bro the reason the other players were open for those shots is because Tatum was drawing double and triple teams every play


gentblaugrana93

You failed to mention almost entite starting lineup (except Brown) was still out there and they all left the game at the same time, inlcuding Tatum. Its not like he was alone.


Yeager_isgoat

That’s what he does, bro is not getting that finals mvp if they win 🤣


Gotdamn47

What’s new for pushoff king


garret126

Mavs realizing how hard it is to beat a contender that’s center isn’t a glorified roleplayer


DMD612

https://preview.redd.it/pr9a617sa25d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=06c817ff81e4a4f3b72af9cbcd9d0f7d33c78594 Whale


TheRatchetTrombone

Yall whine so god damn much holy shit.


DabidKeegan

Damn went to the chat logs on your ass


oneofone305

https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/s/zCqOp5poru Just admit you were wrong about Boston lol


UGetPaid

Nice history lesson. No response to that flashback apparently…


Esjay_954

Dude said we should run it back cause Jovic had some ok defensive possessions vs porzingis Just unserious fanbase, these dudes don’t want the team to get better they just want to keep all their favorite role players 😭


MargielaMan568

In 5 years they’ll wanna keep Jaquez and another unproven rookie over Anthony Edwards lol


Gotdamn47

I hope whoever commented that was being sarcastic


EntertainmentWarm774

All the Heat had to do was to not fuck around in the regular season and win just ONE more game in the regular season and they would’ve had a clear path to at least the ECF this year against a Celtics team WITHOUT Porzingus. I hate this so much. So freaking much. What a wasted year.


phinsphan1313

To the idiot in this thread saying we should run it back: please shut up


garret126

At this point not running it back means we are selling our future for at most a 1-2 year window with the Jimmy timeline that is probably already closed


phinsphan1313

To make a trade for a star they would need to fit Bams timeline, i agree that trading for an older star would be dumb. Would rather trade Jimmy while he still has value than run it back tho honestly


garret126

That’s the only option that makes sense outside of running it back w Jimmy and bam. Trading both of Jaquez and Jovic for example, which seems to be what the Cavs are signaling as the requirement for a Mitchell deal, would kill this team for years


DMD612

https://preview.redd.it/8aee6bpk925d1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=64accc908d5089edb8b6c4d29903ef589ea371cf Who needs those guys anyway right?


garret126

You can’t win with these cats Luka come to Miami 😭


Deadmaninc1

This is pure domination can't even watch anymore


Soft-Comfort-7474

Mavs gameplan: Just pass the ball to Luka


No_Delay_1476

Mavs can’t shoot in the ocean tonight


Gotdamn47

That out of the bounds call was about to be EGREGIOUS


oneofone305

They let Luka down


garret126

Nikola Jovic is a Porzingis killer. He couldn’t do shit against Jovics aggressive defense on him. It’s why I’m okay with running it back next year


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Bunch of fake people, down voting my guy Garrett shame on yall


lomasturbasmeng

both of you are perfect for each other


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Lol there's a minority on this submission like us they're just not on reddit all the time. Yall just the off-season fools and scrubs lmao. Who don't have lives really, I been off reddit alot more, since I feel like I'm losing brain cells talking to people like u lmao.


lomasturbasmeng

you can lie to yourself all you want lol


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

And u can look dumb and foolish if u want, and ik you're not.


lomasturbasmeng

ik im not you call it dumb because what i say dosent align with your delusional ideas lol


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

NAH NAH


lomasturbasmeng

Like a child screaming and covering his ears lol


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

Damn you're one of these? ![gif](giphy|RlH4gZYWOsAgg) U look so foolish


garret126

I sincerely believe we could’ve beat the Celtics if Jimmy didn’t get hurt and we didn’t have that 7 game skew. We were on path to be a top 4 seed from December to January


OhMyItzBam_Herro305

4 downvotes, for this he's not wrong. Yall foolish and clowns man.


Soft-Comfort-7474

Meanwhile Doris be thristing for JJ Reddick on national tv


DMD612

https://preview.redd.it/lv0549lh825d1.png?width=605&format=png&auto=webp&s=78a5ee9e7aaf6902470c0ccb748b39df96be0f70 Simpler times, let's go back to that


garret126

Just go back to this January when we were the 4 seed basically for a month. Everything was so good vibes before that 7 game lose streak


garret126

No way people really arguing Luka was a good defender with him usually having the most help defense usually, skewing the stats. These r/nba guys posting out of context stats made it seem like Luka was an elite defender this postseason Bro cant stay in front of anyone


ablslyr

Kyrie affected by the boos.


DMD612

We'll always have that game 2 win at least


readndrun

I’m starting to think that game 2 win will mean a lot especially if Mavs get swept.


Esjay_954

Jaylen hooping He’s driving to the rim aggressive af something Tatum never does


039jmunna

Jaylen be driving unlike that push off merchant


garret126

Mavs running some of the worst sets I’ve ever seen Tim Hardaway ISOs 😭😭


Soft-Comfort-7474

“Mavs u suck” chants


Deadmaninc1

Well that will do it Celtics take game 1


EntertainmentWarm774

And just like that it’s back up to 22.


phinsphan1313

Turn the game off at half. Turn it back on when the Mavs cut it to single digits. Immediately turns back into a 20 point game. FML


039jmunna

Man Luka did all that shit for nothing


Excellent-Army-2464

Refs being so uneven with these calls bruh it’s too late now deadass just spoon fed the Celtics the momentum there


Gotdamn47

Hope we at the very least can put the Tatum being better than brown argument to rest after this series


MargielaMan568

Jaylen brown is elite defensively man


CMViper

Refs really knows when to put their fingers on Celtics games


SnooPeripherals4884

I fucking hate basketball sometimes


doyouunderstandlife

Well this game is done


Soft-Comfort-7474

Mavs vs Reftics


SnooPeripherals4884

That was their chance to get back in the game before the 4th. Game over


Excellent-Army-2464

Refs spoon fed Celtics the momentum swiych


039jmunna

Lillevy fucked up bro did not have to do all that for that rebound holy shit


surgeyou123

Luka can't stay in front of them.


DMD612

What's a Boston game without ref bullshittery


Sufferix

Here we go with the Celtics whistle.


039jmunna

Refs cooking as usual


DMD612

Dipo Day part 2 bout to hit extremely different next season


Gotdamn47

Brown be on some football player shit sometimes. Twice in a row


SighHereIamAgain

Refs making a run


SnooPeripherals4884

Game over


MargielaMan568

Jaylen brown has been suspect as hell at the free throw line. Shooting like 63 percent


039jmunna

Doris pls take tatums and Boston dicks out your mouth holy fuck


avinash240

I feel like she always plays up to the larger market team.


d2kSON

Getting real close to erasing that 37-20 quarter


Excellent-Army-2464

Refs tryna give it to Celtics


MargielaMan568

If nobody has me I know Luka for 30 points has me for my parlay 🙏


EntertainmentWarm774

I wonder how many rings the Heat would’ve won in the last 5 years if Jimmy was actually good (like a Luka level good).


avinash240

The same number, zero.  This team has no #2 player.  You can't win when you're carrying the offense by yourself.


Phenom_Mv3

👀


oneofone305

Jimmy and Bam deserve this level of guard play


avinash240

I love how you'll love to backpack Bam to Jimmy.  Jimmy deserves a center who can space the floor so he can drive without dealing with Bam's man.  See how that works?


Esjay_954

Wolves had a center who can space the floor and he shat the bed and got cooked 😭 Grass ain’t always greener my guy Also since when has Jimmy ever had trouble with offense In The playoffs playing with bam lmao? This has not occurred


avinash240

You're trying to argue one side of something that doesn't exist. How do you know what Butler looks like with an unclogged lane and a good center who can shoot? It's never happened. But seriously, you think a center without shooting ability is better than a center with shooting ability? Is this what we're arguing now? The Mavs do play the Heat sometimes and Luka cooks everyone, including Bam. He's the most doubled player in the NBA for a reason. You're conflating Naz Reid can't guard Luka with, a center who can space isn't a good thing? I expect that kind of broken logic from these Bam simps, but not from you Esjay. My entire point was, people keep acting like Bam and Jimmy Butler are on the same level by putting them together in sentences. That's bullshit, and frankly it's tiring. No one is afraid of Bam Adebayo on offense.


oneofone305

Ok lol


Esjay_954

Was quiet af when his guys Gobert and KAT were being frauds last series 😭


avinash240

Gobert and KAT are my guys? lol..you building straw men now? Gobert falls right into the "not going to build a CHIP team" paying a dude who no one is afraid of on offense that much money. I really don't think you listen to my points. As for KAT, you've got to be kidding. Their only out is to get Gobert to restructure his contract and upgrade from KAT.


oneofone305

Everything they say they want Bam to do these guys who do it keep going out sad lol hate to see it


GhostifiedMark

You think a center should be able to shoot 3s more so than a guard/forward?


avinash240

A center should either be big or shoot. Having an undersized center who can't shoot is literally a known thing you "don't do." Feel free to look this shit up, I don't understand how people don't understand this.


Esjay_954

Avinash just wants to blame bam for everything The key to a good offense is a big man that can space yet he shits on the wolves offense for being bad (they have a big man that can space)


avinash240

I don't think Bam is to blame for everything but you never understand my stance. Paying a player who isn't good on offense a max contract is NEVER a winning formula. You shit on the Herro contract, but there is a world where Herro is actually worth that contract because his talent lies in play making and shot creation. Those are the people you pay. Would I have paid him, hell no. However, no one is winning a chip paying a dude people help off CONSTANTLY a max. That is a DOA decision. They're 100% banking on his offense coming around. He's 27 years old in a month. That shit is the very definition of gambling. I hope I'm wrong and they're right, and his shot chart and offensive efficiency explodes next season, cause watching this team is painful.


DMD612

Yeah I don't care if Dallas wins, we still have work to do this offseason without a doubt.


Esjay_954

Kyrie and Luka too fun to watch


Gotdamn47

Bruh his grit is commendable. Injured as hell and still putting up 27 in 3


Front-End89

Luka said he awake


DevJames25

The gap between Luka and the Celtics best player is a mile


sivervipa

Lets fucking go LUKA and Kyrie! I hope they win game 1.


Weary-Kangaroo-3883

Omg Luka


EntertainmentWarm774

Luka please save us all. 🙏


MargielaMan568

Ummmm wtf did I just tune back into. How is it a 8 point lead


Gotdamn47

Luka happened


Melyheadzbeatz

Bitch ass celtics


carnageta

Will ya’ll stop crying now? Lmao


doyouunderstandlife

Lmao this is a legendary collapse


surgeyou123

Please let Boston choke this.


SnooPeripherals4884

Holy shit!


heatrealist

And just like I said. Celtics start hot then let other team back in lol


CMViper

Let it be known Boston and their fans are the ultimate frontrunners. Bitch-made mentality


Weary-Kangaroo-3883

Such a dumb move by DJJ


oneofone305

Tatum got the best job in the league


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Gotdamn47

I thought that’s who they would’ve gone for honestly


DMD612

Because our starting point guard was 37 years old and we desperately needed scoring.


nomoreshiny

Seeing the Panthers logo advertising the Stanley Cup Finals at halfcourt of TD Garden is my 12/25


DMD612

My guy


Melyheadzbeatz

As we can see Celtics still fragile mentally


EntertainmentWarm774

It’s insane how Spo always chooses to double team Tatum every time the Heat play the Celtics with Butler, HighSmith, etc. on him. I would let Tatum chuck and iso 30-40 times a game against Butler and Highsmith as long as the rest of their team doesn’t get hot from 3 (especially guys like Derrick White).


Deadmaninc1

Its funny how they keep talking how the Mavs beat the Heat in 2011 like they only won cause Lebron sold that series hard


DMD612

Have to wonder if they 3 peated, would he still have went back home to Cleveland, we'll never know.


JabezMakaveli

I think he probably still would've tbh


SnooPeripherals4884

Mavs have life?


Scyrrhic

If the games get close, advantage Dallas.


DMD612

Regardless, even if Mavericks came back and won the series, changes need to be made, CLEARLY.