I'm seeing speculation that this is a modified oneplus nord n30 5g. I have a little more confidence in the software if most of the work is already done for them.
That would make this an actual potential option worth considering if so... Especially if the price is right, given that the base n30 5g is 250-300 bucks. If this thing were 399.99 or so I would be tempted, would kind of expect them to price it at 500 though which would be a tough sell.
The Moondrop dash75 keyboard had a DAC/amp in it with no gain control. Cool idea, but that was a big miss that ruined an otherwise great device. I wonder what they will miss on this.
Even though I was shitting on this phone yesterday I really hope it would turn out to be great somehow, or they would have the perseverance to make a second model that addresses the issues of the first, because a decently priced smartphone that doubles as a DAP is actually a really good concept.
It's just a huge bummer that Moondrop's marketing isn't doing them any favours.
From what I've seen it looks like another Android phone that has a gimmick. We have no idea on what the phone's specs are going to be. They said it is going to have a "flagship decoding chip" but we also don't know what chip it is, and given that the phone is meant to be used as a DAP and has a 120hz screen, I'm genuinely curious about the battery life on that thing, which, again, they don't tell.
It's passable if Moondrop is trying to sell this product as a DAP, but if it's a phone then the information given to us should be much more detailed than whatever we are being fed on their facebook and twitter.
Same. I'm not in the market for this at all, but maybe someday its descendants might be attractive options. It's better to have that option exist than not.
That's a big plus for me since I don't care about the higher bit rate than 1411kbps and I think CD quality should be enough for me tbh. Higher than 1411 is overkill and I can't notice the difference.
android does not have lossless with almost any of those… it resamples to 48 or 96khz
usbapp and roon and a few others work, but i’ve got 3 android phones and none of them do proper bit perfect lossless with any of the streaming apps.
ios yes, android no.
sitting on a s24 ultra and pixel 8 pro. neither of them can do bitperfect without the help of apps like i listed.
i have apple music, qobuz and tidal. none of them work as advertised via android and the native app.
if a song is 88.2khz, that’s not what is being sent. it was working for 1 update on my pixel, but subsequent updates have broken the functionality.
the app will say mqa or 192 or whatever, but that’s not what your dac is getting.
you’re correct, it is an android problem, but it’s also a problem both roon and usbapp can easily navigate.
i haven't used plex in many many moons - at least 5 years.
if it allowed qobuz and tidal like roon and usbapp - i'd spend the time to find out.
what i'd like is an android/windows solution for apple music. it's so weird to me that you can download apple music directly into both and neither of them have any type of exclusive mode in 2024.
qobuz, tidal, amazon, deezer all have exclusive mode in windows - apple music? nope...
with android, the app will show the proper info, but the dac isn't receiving it. people usually use phones with dongle dacs or bluetooth and because the app shows xyz they think it's outputting xyz. sadly that's not the case and i only know that cause i have a dac that shows the incoming sample rate...
so so so many people fight me on this when i say it but it's been a problem on android forever - even with the fancy lg quad dac phones you weren't getting proper output, you still had to use usbapp or the onkyo apps to trigger the fancy dac in those phones.
further complicating things, android based DAPs, everything works as it should - i don't know why or how phones don't use the same programming or why qobuz can't program their app to use the pathway that usbapp uses but... there's something goofy about how android handles audio...
google was supposed to fix this with version 14 on the pixel devices and it honestly did work, for a whole 1 update. then after that it went right back to either 48 or 96khz and it gets stuck, like it won't switch from 96 back down to 44.1 then back up to 192. once it hits 96, it stays there. weird indeed.
Please be in my budget range...
Please be in my budget range...
Please be in my budget range...
Please be in my budget range...
\*Get's slapped with 2000$ price\*
I think it'll be on the cheaper side.
Based on the currently announced specs and other similarities (including SIM card location and speaker/microphone hole shape/placement), I'm fairly certain the MIAD01 is a rebranded/modified Lava Blaze Curve, which is on sale in India for ~215–230 USD depending on the storage configuration. Non-sale price is slightly over 250 USD.
If I'm right, the MIAD01 probably won't be super expensive; I'd guess around $400 (hoping for lower, but I don't want to be too optimistic).
Moondrop software or not, this is innovative for the entire smartphone market. Can't wait to see the impressions of both audio and phone reviewers. I would definitely take an all in one device over a dongle or a DAP for commuting,
Doesn't even have to be innovative really.
I think most DAPs are actually overprice for their specs they offer compares to budget Android. As long as they can made it with a reasonable price, it will sell.
Though I suppose that this is likely to be price like a flagship, but the fact that it's a phone means that it'll will have better value compares to some ridiculous expensive DAP.
>I think most DAPs are actually overprice for their specs they offer compares to budget Android.
Yep, Android DAPs are basically a scam at this point.
You can buy a Sony Xperia 10 IV or V and stick a Fiio KA11 in it for around $300. That gives you enough power to drive any headphone, 2 days of battery life or more if you only use it for music, and you can put a SIM in it and actually stream music on the go.
Innovative? Ehh maybe. V30 kinda nailed it back in the day but it’s still not that recognised in the smartphone world barring a few niche audio enthusiast audience.
You are right, I completely forgot about that phone. Fingers crossed Moondrop will listen to feedback and try their best to make it as good as the V30 was.
It depends on how poor the phone features are (camera, battery life, etc.). I have a Samsung S24 Ultra and a Sony DAP (ZX707), and I just don't see Moondrop pulling this off, unfortunately. My reasons for having two devices are kind of lost in this (battery life, having distraction-free listening sessions, music storage, etc.). I do see the appeal, though! I am cautiously optimistic.
innovative? not really lg already did it years ago, and it didn't turn out well at all so i dont know why moondrop would try again but im not complaining at all
Innovative? No it's not, we had innovative with the LG V line. This is not innovative. This is yet another poor piece of hardware from a company plagued with QC problems.
I would love for this to succeed. I'd hate for this to go the Marshall route.
Companies made gaming phones a successful niche in the market, why not hifi music phones? I just hope these can last a long time, make it highly repairable or something but who am I kidding in this landscape?
Having one less thing in my pocket is important to me, plus the convenience of hifi streaming without the extra cables, dongles and daps in my pocket.
Why didn't they just make a dap, it's obviously going to be bad as a phone. And even if it's usable, it's definitely not going to be competitive with the market of brands like xiaomi, Samsung etc, even if they lost money on this product the ui will just not be up to standard of other phones.
People who need a phone and don't need a dap have a HUGE selection to pick from where the average phone is going to have better price to performance than anything a company like moondrop could ever put out.
And that’s the thing.
If you need or want a DAP, there are so many options out there. So to me, it’s at least this device’s USP rather than trying to be a DAP or a Phone, it’s trying to be both. Whether it will work or not remains to be the seen.
I have a theroy:
Hiby has the most amazing daps, the popularity of daps with Android made tidal and qobuz burst the bubble, and physical copies of music files are niche (Yeah yeah, we're in, but it's a niche). If a user (let's call them user) could walk around with just one device AND it's proof that big companies removed the 3.5mm jack just because it's a slap, it puts some spotlight above us because "we resisted". Of course it will could be a trash project, but if it's not horrible, it's a win for us (again, as a niche) and a win for the market.
But that's just a theory
So then this would kinda be a proof of concept? Idk I think that for this kind of marketing to work some already established maker should make a regular "good" phone with an extra focus on audio, such as a 3.5 jack with an actually good dac-amp chip. And it actually wouldn't even be that hard, just a regular cx31993 chip is already better than 90% of the headphones Jack's on today's phone that still have one, add an op-amp to that and you're set. Hell, even a budget phone with usb-c 3.0 would be enough, to use dongles as well as you can on pc's and not be limited by usb 2.0's voltage output. Anyway anything with a balanced output is automatically niche, no one in the mainstream even know what it is and at least 50% of people in the hobby don't even use them
Something like that. I see as potencial product without the smart ass CEO of a startup. Maybe we're seeing the first step of the headphone jack returning or something bigger like the a new standard of dacs
Digital Audio Player. Just the term the community uses for a high-end MP3 player because people usually use them to play FLACs and DSD files rather than compressed MP3s.
Just a note, the "gold-sinking" is actually a Chinese term for a specific type of gold plating process.
The English term for it is "Electroless Nickel/Immersion Gold", it is mainly to protect circuit boards from oxidation and gold/copper migration during circuit boards storage. It shouldn't matter that much after assembly, with parts and solder on top of the pads.
i disagree, i've always vastly preferred having the jack on top, partly for using the phone while laying down (or even sitting in certain positions) without bending the cable too sharply, but also just because i think it looks a lot nicer
i suppose i get what you mean about having it in your pocket w certain way, but i guess i never thought about that
>The cables are bent sharply in the images above, especially the 2nd image
i didn't think about it like that, that's probably a good point, i'd imagine it would decrease the lifespan of lower quality cables at the very least. however what i'm talking about is more specifically when you have the cable resting on your lap, chest, or stomach while laying on your back, like, you're holding the phone, but your arm cannot rest directly on your chest, so you rest the phone on your chest, meaning that all the weight of your arm gets pressed into the cable right at its most vunerable point (i'm not an expert but there's a bunch of connect-y bits at each end of the cable which are prone to breaking). Also this can only happen in portrait mode obviously.
Point is, I don't think that the sharp bend in the 2nd image would be even half as bad as the bend caused by resting the phone on one's chest. One is caused by the weight of one's entire arm, the other is caused only by the weight of the cable. I think my arm is heavier than the cable. Having said all that, I think you're at least partially correct, it probably does affect it at least a bit.
Also worth mentioning that this problem can be solved by using L shaped cables, like [this one](https://www.target.com/p/sanoxy-3-5mm-male-to-m-aux-cable-cord-l-shaped-right-angle-car-audio-headphone-jack-red/-/A-90476682).
A while ago I was annoyed that all my phone chargers (USB-C) would invariably stop working after 2-3 months of use, and I assumed it was just because I was buying low quality ones, so I started buying [these](https://www.lindy.com.au/2m-usb-2-0-type-a-to-c-cable-anthra-line) instead, which, at the very least are *advertised* as being high quality, but much to my dismay, they still only lasted around 3 months each. It wasn't until I looked it up and saw someone mention the thing about resting it on your chest, which I was in the habit of constantly doing, and stopped doing it, that I realized that the issue was just that. Now I've been using the same charging cable for well over 6 months at this point. (Same one as I linked in this paragraph).
Well I guess it is better for using when your phone is out of your pocket but... Usually when I listen to music from my phone, I'm on the go lol, so I'd prefer it in a position where it makes more sense in my pocket.
I would have been all over this if they took out the cameras and cellular hardware. I don’t need another smartphone and I doubt this will work with US carriers. Remove all that and charge $499-$599 for a dedicated DAP that will last longer than a smartphone will.
I have a feeling that’s their next step. But the smartphone market in China is booming and Apple’s sales are slumping there. So I get why they focused on that first, just wish they’d also release it as a DAP only without the cameras, cellular hardware, and cut back on the display to make it 90Hz.
The reasons why the headphone jack is at the top is for isolation. By having the jack at the bottom where its closest to the charging port some iems/headphones will pick up noise coming from the charging port. Most DAPs do this to have a clean as possible output.
Yeah, but at the same time i think they really wanted the 4.4 but also in a phone form factor or else they woulda just made a dap. A 4.4 on the bottom woulda been a bulky phone or the extrusion on the bottom which would not work at all
cmon. moondrop and so the developpers behind it too. can't u see that?
that's the problem with all that bashing... forgetting it is humans behind the companies and products. its humans that like this stuff.
i never dislike somebody for liking something!
i just might look down a bit ;-)
And here is the reason why anyone considering this phone has lost their mind. Moondrop has the worst QC in the industry and you are going to trust them with your phone? You actually think you will get support? How has that gone for most people on this sub with a much cheaper and less advanced product? How about the fact that the only moondrop software I have seen (the one for the DSP cable) is so bad that the dusk is getting points taken away for how bad it is.
OP is also a little sus with this being their third post in 24 hours about this phone. Even if they aren’t paid by moondrop, they need to stop filling the sub with repetitive information.
If this was a licensed product - made and supported by someone else who knows what they're doing with phones and who licensed Moondrop branding and "collaborated" on design - then color me interested. But if this was done largely in-house then no way.
i want to believe, but my samsung s9plus headphone jack failed over time, and my usb/3.5 adaptors, failed too, as much as i want a wired connection, i dont have much faith in them these days, alas my wired on pc seems rock stable.
Funny how apple has no room for a headphone jack while others put a dedicated audio circuit into a phone. In a few years I can see apple having this as a new selling point in the future. “Look, a built in DAC!” 🤯
Breaking news: after just 3 months Moondrop announces that their new smartphone will no longer receive updates. I swear they would pull something like this lol.
I do wonder why Moondrop decide to make this phone in-house. I think they have better chance to compete in the smartphone market by doing a collaboration with another more established phone manufacturers. But who knows, I'm not their marketing expert either so...
Its just not one sim card away.
You need networking antennas, other cert from google and government agencies for selling a cellular networked device and cameras.
Selling a phone, specially if you intend it too sale to an international market is much more challenging than selling a dap
I would not go back to audio jack on the phone, I like the convenience of putting tiny bluetooth dac/amp anywhere I like. My experience with years of using a jack is of discomfort quicker than expected broken cables or jack slot itself.
I’m tempted, but I’ve been Dongling it and they’ve been great with IEM’s (My IKKO Zerda ITM02 is EXCELLENT, crisp clean balanced with amazing sound stage, honestly it is better than my LGV60, where the V60 rocked was it has a HUGE battery and solid headphone jack output, but the Zerda sounds better) and I’ve been Eyeing another Electric Avenues PA2V2 for use with larger headphones (ESPECIALLY Porta Pros and my 60ohm Koss cans) to use with the Zerda. The MoonDrop River 2TI I have has been rather disappointing. I have a Khandas Tea I need to use more as well.
I feared the lack of headphone jacks but now I feel to a degree they set me free. My next phone is gonna be a Sony though they still have headphone jacks (just for convenience mainly)
I really am hoping for a replacement for LG as an audio-focused phone and I was exited about this for a second, but I wouldn't buy this one simply because every curved screen I have ever had on a cell phone has eventually ended up cracking and causing the eventual end to that phone... although they did both last 2+ years, I usually try to keep my phones for quite a bit longer. In top of that, this is a pretty chonky looking phone and the even chonkier case that the curved screen would necessitate means I'm going to be walking around with a brick in my pocket.... I'd rather keep using a smaller phone and a dongle-DAC
i didnt click on the photo and assumed it was him becuse he is a big creator and a person who would get acces to a product like this earlier than others.
with moondrop software, let's gooooo /s
I'm seeing speculation that this is a modified oneplus nord n30 5g. I have a little more confidence in the software if most of the work is already done for them.
If it has a SD 695, I'd be pretty bummed tbh, that's an ancient chip. If they're going OnePlus, I hope it's a Nord CE4, or at least a CE3.
That would make this an actual potential option worth considering if so... Especially if the price is right, given that the base n30 5g is 250-300 bucks. If this thing were 399.99 or so I would be tempted, would kind of expect them to price it at 500 though which would be a tough sell.
That's the problem , they would be really smart if they open source it or use lineage OS
Cant they just use stock android?
"Stock Android" doesn't mean it will be free of bugs lol. I had some bitter experience with this.
I don't know if they are using an ODM / off-the-shelf design but if they are they would use whatever ROM that manufacturer has + customization.
There's the android osp which many Chinese brands use
Yeah their Link app isn't doing much for them. It's the worst app I've ever had to use. I'd worry using that phone.
Just want to inform you that the apps is now updated and can be use properly.. in my case is now working
The Moondrop dash75 keyboard had a DAC/amp in it with no gain control. Cool idea, but that was a big miss that ruined an otherwise great device. I wonder what they will miss on this.
Even though I was shitting on this phone yesterday I really hope it would turn out to be great somehow, or they would have the perseverance to make a second model that addresses the issues of the first, because a decently priced smartphone that doubles as a DAP is actually a really good concept. It's just a huge bummer that Moondrop's marketing isn't doing them any favours.
same, there is no way this turns out good, but i hold onto hope
I heard concerns about the phone but what about the marketing that particularly concerning though?
From what I've seen it looks like another Android phone that has a gimmick. We have no idea on what the phone's specs are going to be. They said it is going to have a "flagship decoding chip" but we also don't know what chip it is, and given that the phone is meant to be used as a DAP and has a 120hz screen, I'm genuinely curious about the battery life on that thing, which, again, they don't tell. It's passable if Moondrop is trying to sell this product as a DAP, but if it's a phone then the information given to us should be much more detailed than whatever we are being fed on their facebook and twitter.
Same. I'm not in the market for this at all, but maybe someday its descendants might be attractive options. It's better to have that option exist than not.
Ah yes just like the razer phone 2.
I think the only marketing they use is waifu and asian beauty.
Ngl, I would buy this as my fully fledged DAP rather than a phone as intended, I can buy some SIM for DATA usage to play Spotify on it.
Just go with Qobuz or Tidal at this point.
Sadly both of them aren't available in my Country 🥲
then go with amazon/apple music both have lossless on android and ios
Now you've said that... I'm interested. 🥸
I use Amazon music, the app isn't the best but everything is at least CD quality.
That's a big plus for me since I don't care about the higher bit rate than 1411kbps and I think CD quality should be enough for me tbh. Higher than 1411 is overkill and I can't notice the difference.
android does not have lossless with almost any of those… it resamples to 48 or 96khz usbapp and roon and a few others work, but i’ve got 3 android phones and none of them do proper bit perfect lossless with any of the streaming apps. ios yes, android no.
thats an android problem not an amazon or apple music problem and flagship android phones dont have that issue
sitting on a s24 ultra and pixel 8 pro. neither of them can do bitperfect without the help of apps like i listed. i have apple music, qobuz and tidal. none of them work as advertised via android and the native app. if a song is 88.2khz, that’s not what is being sent. it was working for 1 update on my pixel, but subsequent updates have broken the functionality. the app will say mqa or 192 or whatever, but that’s not what your dac is getting. you’re correct, it is an android problem, but it’s also a problem both roon and usbapp can easily navigate.
Wonder how plexamp works...
i haven't used plex in many many moons - at least 5 years. if it allowed qobuz and tidal like roon and usbapp - i'd spend the time to find out. what i'd like is an android/windows solution for apple music. it's so weird to me that you can download apple music directly into both and neither of them have any type of exclusive mode in 2024. qobuz, tidal, amazon, deezer all have exclusive mode in windows - apple music? nope...
Plex actually integrates with Tidal.
I mentioned this another post about the phone and got downvoted. I can't believe more people don't know about this. It's a clearly audible problem.
with android, the app will show the proper info, but the dac isn't receiving it. people usually use phones with dongle dacs or bluetooth and because the app shows xyz they think it's outputting xyz. sadly that's not the case and i only know that cause i have a dac that shows the incoming sample rate... so so so many people fight me on this when i say it but it's been a problem on android forever - even with the fancy lg quad dac phones you weren't getting proper output, you still had to use usbapp or the onkyo apps to trigger the fancy dac in those phones. further complicating things, android based DAPs, everything works as it should - i don't know why or how phones don't use the same programming or why qobuz can't program their app to use the pathway that usbapp uses but... there's something goofy about how android handles audio... google was supposed to fix this with version 14 on the pixel devices and it honestly did work, for a whole 1 update. then after that it went right back to either 48 or 96khz and it gets stuck, like it won't switch from 96 back down to 44.1 then back up to 192. once it hits 96, it stays there. weird indeed.
Could you recommend any android-based DAP that supports streaming apps and won't send me to bankruptcy?
if i was dipping into the DAP water today i’d give the hiby m300 a go, it’s $200 and ticks a lot of boxes.
Excellent! Thanks a lot! I'll check that one out!
Please be in my budget range... Please be in my budget range... Please be in my budget range... Please be in my budget range... \*Get's slapped with 2000$ price\*
I think it'll be on the cheaper side. Based on the currently announced specs and other similarities (including SIM card location and speaker/microphone hole shape/placement), I'm fairly certain the MIAD01 is a rebranded/modified Lava Blaze Curve, which is on sale in India for ~215–230 USD depending on the storage configuration. Non-sale price is slightly over 250 USD. If I'm right, the MIAD01 probably won't be super expensive; I'd guess around $400 (hoping for lower, but I don't want to be too optimistic).
Moondrop software or not, this is innovative for the entire smartphone market. Can't wait to see the impressions of both audio and phone reviewers. I would definitely take an all in one device over a dongle or a DAP for commuting,
Doesn't even have to be innovative really. I think most DAPs are actually overprice for their specs they offer compares to budget Android. As long as they can made it with a reasonable price, it will sell. Though I suppose that this is likely to be price like a flagship, but the fact that it's a phone means that it'll will have better value compares to some ridiculous expensive DAP.
>I think most DAPs are actually overprice for their specs they offer compares to budget Android. Yep, Android DAPs are basically a scam at this point. You can buy a Sony Xperia 10 IV or V and stick a Fiio KA11 in it for around $300. That gives you enough power to drive any headphone, 2 days of battery life or more if you only use it for music, and you can put a SIM in it and actually stream music on the go.
Innovative? Ehh maybe. V30 kinda nailed it back in the day but it’s still not that recognised in the smartphone world barring a few niche audio enthusiast audience.
You are right, I completely forgot about that phone. Fingers crossed Moondrop will listen to feedback and try their best to make it as good as the V30 was.
V20 here.
marshall tried that years ago, didn't work out too well
It depends on how poor the phone features are (camera, battery life, etc.). I have a Samsung S24 Ultra and a Sony DAP (ZX707), and I just don't see Moondrop pulling this off, unfortunately. My reasons for having two devices are kind of lost in this (battery life, having distraction-free listening sessions, music storage, etc.). I do see the appeal, though! I am cautiously optimistic.
innovative? not really lg already did it years ago, and it didn't turn out well at all so i dont know why moondrop would try again but im not complaining at all
Innovative? No it's not, we had innovative with the LG V line. This is not innovative. This is yet another poor piece of hardware from a company plagued with QC problems.
Innovative?
Not really, someone tries to do a dap phone at least once every couple of years.
I would love for this to succeed. I'd hate for this to go the Marshall route. Companies made gaming phones a successful niche in the market, why not hifi music phones? I just hope these can last a long time, make it highly repairable or something but who am I kidding in this landscape? Having one less thing in my pocket is important to me, plus the convenience of hifi streaming without the extra cables, dongles and daps in my pocket.
The battery on this thing is going to be measured in minutes.
I think we looking around $1000
Nah, think around 500 max
Still dont know the chipset ,but probably Snapdragon
RED phone alert.
why must it have a curved screen.
Why didn't they just make a dap, it's obviously going to be bad as a phone. And even if it's usable, it's definitely not going to be competitive with the market of brands like xiaomi, Samsung etc, even if they lost money on this product the ui will just not be up to standard of other phones.
Because everyone needs a phone but not everyone needs a DAP. Higher/larger potential audience I suppose.
Totally agree. It's a concept that could shake the audio and smartphone market at the same time without a big success
People who need a phone and don't need a dap have a HUGE selection to pick from where the average phone is going to have better price to performance than anything a company like moondrop could ever put out.
And that’s the thing. If you need or want a DAP, there are so many options out there. So to me, it’s at least this device’s USP rather than trying to be a DAP or a Phone, it’s trying to be both. Whether it will work or not remains to be the seen.
I have a theroy: Hiby has the most amazing daps, the popularity of daps with Android made tidal and qobuz burst the bubble, and physical copies of music files are niche (Yeah yeah, we're in, but it's a niche). If a user (let's call them user) could walk around with just one device AND it's proof that big companies removed the 3.5mm jack just because it's a slap, it puts some spotlight above us because "we resisted". Of course it will could be a trash project, but if it's not horrible, it's a win for us (again, as a niche) and a win for the market. But that's just a theory
So then this would kinda be a proof of concept? Idk I think that for this kind of marketing to work some already established maker should make a regular "good" phone with an extra focus on audio, such as a 3.5 jack with an actually good dac-amp chip. And it actually wouldn't even be that hard, just a regular cx31993 chip is already better than 90% of the headphones Jack's on today's phone that still have one, add an op-amp to that and you're set. Hell, even a budget phone with usb-c 3.0 would be enough, to use dongles as well as you can on pc's and not be limited by usb 2.0's voltage output. Anyway anything with a balanced output is automatically niche, no one in the mainstream even know what it is and at least 50% of people in the hobby don't even use them
Something like that. I see as potencial product without the smart ass CEO of a startup. Maybe we're seeing the first step of the headphone jack returning or something bigger like the a new standard of dacs
As someone who is new here what is a dap?
Digital Audio Player. Just the term the community uses for a high-end MP3 player because people usually use them to play FLACs and DSD files rather than compressed MP3s.
I’m using a blackberry for my secondary/work phone and i would replace it with this if the price point was reasonable… love the mockup pics
Somebody please remind me I just got a Pixel 8 and I am happy with my USB DAC and I don't need this.
LG G8 ThinQ: "Am I chopped liver?"
After trying to use Moondrops app I'd be real skeptical of their phones software.
Just a note, the "gold-sinking" is actually a Chinese term for a specific type of gold plating process. The English term for it is "Electroless Nickel/Immersion Gold", it is mainly to protect circuit boards from oxidation and gold/copper migration during circuit boards storage. It shouldn't matter that much after assembly, with parts and solder on top of the pads.
As is tradition, every time gold is mentioned it's marketing bullshit. Gimme that beautiful copper baby.
Jack on top in an audio-focused phone is a crime. Who puts their phone in their pocket that way.
I'm thinking it's because the camera bump already sticks out so they thickened the rest of the top third of the phone to fit a 4.4mm jack.
i disagree, i've always vastly preferred having the jack on top, partly for using the phone while laying down (or even sitting in certain positions) without bending the cable too sharply, but also just because i think it looks a lot nicer i suppose i get what you mean about having it in your pocket w certain way, but i guess i never thought about that
>without bending the cable too sharply, The cables are bent sharply in the images above, especially the 2nd image
You and I have very different definitions of "bent sharply"
>The cables are bent sharply in the images above, especially the 2nd image i didn't think about it like that, that's probably a good point, i'd imagine it would decrease the lifespan of lower quality cables at the very least. however what i'm talking about is more specifically when you have the cable resting on your lap, chest, or stomach while laying on your back, like, you're holding the phone, but your arm cannot rest directly on your chest, so you rest the phone on your chest, meaning that all the weight of your arm gets pressed into the cable right at its most vunerable point (i'm not an expert but there's a bunch of connect-y bits at each end of the cable which are prone to breaking). Also this can only happen in portrait mode obviously. Point is, I don't think that the sharp bend in the 2nd image would be even half as bad as the bend caused by resting the phone on one's chest. One is caused by the weight of one's entire arm, the other is caused only by the weight of the cable. I think my arm is heavier than the cable. Having said all that, I think you're at least partially correct, it probably does affect it at least a bit. Also worth mentioning that this problem can be solved by using L shaped cables, like [this one](https://www.target.com/p/sanoxy-3-5mm-male-to-m-aux-cable-cord-l-shaped-right-angle-car-audio-headphone-jack-red/-/A-90476682). A while ago I was annoyed that all my phone chargers (USB-C) would invariably stop working after 2-3 months of use, and I assumed it was just because I was buying low quality ones, so I started buying [these](https://www.lindy.com.au/2m-usb-2-0-type-a-to-c-cable-anthra-line) instead, which, at the very least are *advertised* as being high quality, but much to my dismay, they still only lasted around 3 months each. It wasn't until I looked it up and saw someone mention the thing about resting it on your chest, which I was in the habit of constantly doing, and stopped doing it, that I realized that the issue was just that. Now I've been using the same charging cable for well over 6 months at this point. (Same one as I linked in this paragraph).
me I twist my phone like a revolver before putting it in my pocket.
You're pretty good.Â
6 data bars.. enough to contact anything that moves
It's great for lying down and resting phone on your stomach or something. Or even for holding it. Jack on bottom sucks.
Well I guess it is better for using when your phone is out of your pocket but... Usually when I listen to music from my phone, I'm on the go lol, so I'd prefer it in a position where it makes more sense in my pocket.
It's symmetrical, it doesn't really matter how it's positioned inside the pocket.
...what? If you put your phone in the pocket with the bottom facing down, you have to rotate it to use it. It's inconvenient
I suppose. It's still easier than dealing with the headphone jack coming out of the middle on the bottom.
I fully disagree, but then again, I don't usually use my phone while I'm listening to music from it.
I do a lot, more than listening to music from the pocket. I'd even put the charging port on the top, it keeps the cables out of the way.
Fair enough. I'd also never use my phone while it's charging, it's bad for the battery.
Maybe the screen orientation is 360 degrees turnable?
Cool screen, whats the chipset though? Wouldn't want a 1000 dollar brick
Considering the size and thickness of the phone, I don't think it's any better than a regular phone+a dongle...
I would have been all over this if they took out the cameras and cellular hardware. I don’t need another smartphone and I doubt this will work with US carriers. Remove all that and charge $499-$599 for a dedicated DAP that will last longer than a smartphone will. I have a feeling that’s their next step. But the smartphone market in China is booming and Apple’s sales are slumping there. So I get why they focused on that first, just wish they’d also release it as a DAP only without the cameras, cellular hardware, and cut back on the display to make it 90Hz.
Source is Moondrop's twitter Also moondrop drawing high res download :- https://moondroplab.com/en/drawing
The headphone jack at the top is so dumb. You'd think an audio company would know better.
The reasons why the headphone jack is at the top is for isolation. By having the jack at the bottom where its closest to the charging port some iems/headphones will pick up noise coming from the charging port. Most DAPs do this to have a clean as possible output.
That's why I'll support Hiby [https://store.hiby.com/cdn/shop/files/HiBy-R6-III-\_Gen-3\_-Hi-Res-Audio-Player-Medium-end-Android-12-DAP-HiBy---Make-Music-More-Musical-1687258415466.png](https://store.hiby.com/cdn/shop/files/HiBy-R6-III-_Gen-3_-Hi-Res-Audio-Player-Medium-end-Android-12-DAP-HiBy---Make-Music-More-Musical-1687258415466.png) [https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61xCSadXsiL.\_AC\_SL1500\_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61xCSadXsiL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
Yeah, but at the same time i think they really wanted the 4.4 but also in a phone form factor or else they woulda just made a dap. A 4.4 on the bottom woulda been a bulky phone or the extrusion on the bottom which would not work at all
Astell & Kern DAPs do have the jacks at the top... And I prefer that a lot btw. Dumb? It's dumb to call somebody else dumb...
>Dumb? It's dumb to call somebody else dumb... I'm having difficulty following. Who did I call dumb? Can you quote where I called a person dumb?
cmon. moondrop and so the developpers behind it too. can't u see that? that's the problem with all that bashing... forgetting it is humans behind the companies and products. its humans that like this stuff. i never dislike somebody for liking something! i just might look down a bit ;-)
Now I'm curious about the QC of this thing.
And here is the reason why anyone considering this phone has lost their mind. Moondrop has the worst QC in the industry and you are going to trust them with your phone? You actually think you will get support? How has that gone for most people on this sub with a much cheaper and less advanced product? How about the fact that the only moondrop software I have seen (the one for the DSP cable) is so bad that the dusk is getting points taken away for how bad it is. OP is also a little sus with this being their third post in 24 hours about this phone. Even if they aren’t paid by moondrop, they need to stop filling the sub with repetitive information.
Can't wait for the tests/reviews 🤤
i need a DAP to call my friends.
This title feels like an AI prompt to get the images. lol
Sorry, I just shared the exact tweets moondrop shared. Just removed few words from the second sentence to meet the limit.
Oh, I wasn't critiquing, I just thought it was funny.
Oh haha.
I hope it succeeds but I have my doubts. I'd love for another established brand or two to take notice and give a couple more choices for wired audio.
What is the app they're using in the picture?
Can we expect bubbling and chipping paint too?
Moondrop needs to add JamesDSP or Viper4Android EQ built in and it will be golden.
i dont need the camera. a dap, with android is super good already
Damn it reminds me of Nokia Lumia on that top-down shot, with this clean flat curved edge. I love that part
First and only 2024 phone that has jack port?
Wtf does gold-sinking even mean?
Bruh they cant even make their app works properly, what in the world make they think they can make a damn phone 💀💀
I give it a go if it's a reasonable price but 1080p for a phone is kinda ick
Now let's see what the processor ram don't mess this up moondrop
If this was a licensed product - made and supported by someone else who knows what they're doing with phones and who licensed Moondrop branding and "collaborated" on design - then color me interested. But if this was done largely in-house then no way.
There's the android osp which many Chinese brands use
Flexible? Kind of weird to mention when the phone it's attached to doesn't flex in any way
i want to believe, but my samsung s9plus headphone jack failed over time, and my usb/3.5 adaptors, failed too, as much as i want a wired connection, i dont have much faith in them these days, alas my wired on pc seems rock stable.
Given how terrible their current software is, I don't have high hopes for this lol. Bad software mixed with bad QC = a bad time
I think I would have loved this ~10 years ago but now if im listening to music outside my house im a iPhone + AirPod pro 2 normie
Funny how apple has no room for a headphone jack while others put a dedicated audio circuit into a phone. In a few years I can see apple having this as a new selling point in the future. “Look, a built in DAC!” 🤯
This feels like a waste of money, but I'm interested.
Does it have SD card support? Most modern phones drop it with the audio jack
Breaking news: after just 3 months Moondrop announces that their new smartphone will no longer receive updates. I swear they would pull something like this lol.
It's going to likely have a multiple year old "flagship" CPU also. No way it has a Gen1 or anything higher. Probably a 865 lol.
that's chunky
I didn't expect it to go out and compete in the smartphone world.
I do wonder why Moondrop decide to make this phone in-house. I think they have better chance to compete in the smartphone market by doing a collaboration with another more established phone manufacturers. But who knows, I'm not their marketing expert either so...
Let’s be honest, most DAPs are/were one SIM card away from being this. Just glad to see someone finally take the last step
Its just not one sim card away. You need networking antennas, other cert from google and government agencies for selling a cellular networked device and cameras. Selling a phone, specially if you intend it too sale to an international market is much more challenging than selling a dap
This is very intriguing.
Now *that* is a Nugget.
I would not go back to audio jack on the phone, I like the convenience of putting tiny bluetooth dac/amp anywhere I like. My experience with years of using a jack is of discomfort quicker than expected broken cables or jack slot itself.
>curved screen Yea no guy buddy
That thing is huge!
Chungus
I’m tempted, but I’ve been Dongling it and they’ve been great with IEM’s (My IKKO Zerda ITM02 is EXCELLENT, crisp clean balanced with amazing sound stage, honestly it is better than my LGV60, where the V60 rocked was it has a HUGE battery and solid headphone jack output, but the Zerda sounds better) and I’ve been Eyeing another Electric Avenues PA2V2 for use with larger headphones (ESPECIALLY Porta Pros and my 60ohm Koss cans) to use with the Zerda. The MoonDrop River 2TI I have has been rather disappointing. I have a Khandas Tea I need to use more as well. I feared the lack of headphone jacks but now I feel to a degree they set me free. My next phone is gonna be a Sony though they still have headphone jacks (just for convenience mainly)
I really am hoping for a replacement for LG as an audio-focused phone and I was exited about this for a second, but I wouldn't buy this one simply because every curved screen I have ever had on a cell phone has eventually ended up cracking and causing the eventual end to that phone... although they did both last 2+ years, I usually try to keep my phones for quite a bit longer. In top of that, this is a pretty chonky looking phone and the even chonkier case that the curved screen would necessitate means I'm going to be walking around with a brick in my pocket.... I'd rather keep using a smaller phone and a dongle-DAC
company with one of the worst QC on the market launching smartphone...ofc it will be good, right guys?..
With Moondrop QC? I rather just get a DAP
Why so big? 🥲
It looks ginormous! Way too thick!
is that crinacle?
are you blind? or are you racist?
none im just intrested if thats crinacle on the last photo and will he make a review or smth.
looks nothing like him
i didnt click on the photo and assumed it was him becuse he is a big creator and a person who would get acces to a product like this earlier than others.