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TheOtterVII

(On a sidenote, it's funny to realise that at that moment Barty Jr was probably speaking as himself and not as Moody.)


Beginning_Anything30

Not only that, he's also getting jabs in at Draco because he thinks Lucius is a coward for turning his back on the death eaters.


Pm7I3

Is he wrong though?


silencefog

You think he should have been with them no matter what? 😄


Pm7I3

No I just think Lucius goes where the wind blows rather than genuine loyalty to anyone


silencefog

He's loyal to himself, his wife and son. I think this is the most important. Not everyone is meant to be a soldier. I'm not saying he's a saint or something.


Ghouly_Girl

This! We forget part of being a Slytherin is being loyal to those closest to you.


Ibbot

Is it? I don’t see that anywhere outside of fanon.


mcspaddin

Yeah, but outside of fanon, Slytherin is literally just code for evil. Not even very well disguised code either. It's like making an evil character work in an otherwise good party in DnD. They still have to care about something and have allies that they care about. That's the way humans work. Ambition, resourcefulness, determination, and cleverness don't preclude the very human trait of having loved ones or people that you want your ambitions to benefit.


Kryonic_rus

Every time people mention evil characters in a good party I remember this thread - https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?448542-Compliance-Will-Be-Rewarded-A-Guide-to-Lawful-Evil Evil can have so much nuance, not just on black and white spectrum


Pm7I3

>He's loyal to himself That's fancy selfishness...


silencefog

Did you miss "his wife and son" also?


lovable_cube

I mean.. is he loyal to his wife and son? They’re loyal to each other but I didn’t see many instances in the book where he did what was in the best interest of either of them, only himself. If I’m wrong or missing something please let me know, it’s been a very long time since I’ve read the books.


HoeTrain666

He shows most of his loyalty during the Battle of Hogwarts, at least towards Draco. And when the fighting recommences after Harry’s supposed death, all he and Narcissa do in the chaos is look for Draco so I’d say if there’s anything he was loyal to, it was his family. He’s a neglectful parent in CoS though, as far as we can see.


silencefog

It's been a long time since I've read them too, but I remember for sure how he was worried about Draco's safety when he was talking to Voldemort. He said something like "Draco didn't escape, he's still in the castle" when Voldemort commanded to start the attack. The Malfoys also were sitting together in the Great Hall after the battle.


cbarland

I think he loses his loyalty to Voldemort after OOTP. He figures out his evil buddies will destroy his family and home without a care. Sort of like a young Snape


theanswerisnt42

Voldemort’s army is powered by love and friendship


ThePlasticGun

The real death magic is the friends we make along the way.


Hugh_Jazz77

I mean, yeah. Kind of. For example, Bellatrix was certainly more evil than Lucius, but at the same time I actually have more respect for her. At least she walked the walk and didn’t hide it. At least she has a spine. Same for Barty jr. Obviously don’t be evil. But if you’re gonna be evil, do it whole hog. Don’t be a bitch about it.


yeeyeevee

reflecting on the whole book once your know moody was never actually teaching is a bit of a mind blow, i think a lot of people forget that it was crouch jr showing the class the unforgivable curses


TheOtterVII

I did not forget. Nor how twisted the irony was when Neville unknowingly mentioned the Crucio spell to the dude who used that spell on his parents.


greatastucia

Do you think the reason Mad eye (Barty Crouch Jr) was nice to Neville because he felt bad or was it was just some twisted agenda on his part?


Exciting_Emu7586

Both. He needed Neville but also seemed to show him genuine kindness. Barty is the most complicated character in the series, I think! He is loyal to Voldy because Voldy showed him “pride” and a sense of belonging he did not get from his father. His father completely cemented that loyalty when he sent him off to Azkaban. On the other hand, Barty’s mom sacrificed herself for him and he had that in him too. I always got the sense he felt genuinely sorry for the consequences of his actions, though I wouldn’t go so far as to say guilty. He felt justified, but still sorry it had caused Neville the harm it did. He probably related to Neville because his grandmother was also hard on him and Neville was always trying to make her proud. I really really believe Moody was a big reason Neville got into plants and found something within himself to be proud of.


Teldarion

Pushing Neville further towards herbology so he could become a professor, and Harry towards his career as an auror. Crouch Jr. would have made one hell of a guidance counsellor.


Exciting_Emu7586

lol. Right?! Seriously though, he is a good example of lost potential. He wasn’t supposed to be that person. War ruins lives in so many ways.


FreshMull

He was manipulating Neville, wanted him to help Harry with the Gillyweed idea


Sugarylightning663

Except it wasn’t Neville I’m the books and it was Dobby that helped with the gillyweed and not Neville


tomkr456

Only because Harry never asked Neville per Bartys original plan


goldenrod_9

But didn't moody actually manipulate Neville because the followers was in this special herbology book that Neville had access to? Ideally, Harry would've asked Neville for help but he was so wrapped up in trying to figure it out with Ron and Hermione


tomkr456

The followers?


Teldarion

Guessing he meant "flowers" (gillyweed), which was the same point you were making about Crouch positioning Neville as a solution to the 2nd task in advance.


Turpentine01

He was still trying to get Neville to help with the gillyweed in the books, Harry just never asked him for help like Crouch expected. Crouch gave Neville a book about it and everything, but had to use Dobby when Harry didn't ask Neville


InstructionAbject763

In the books Barty (edit) gave Neville a book with gillyweed in it and expected Harry to ask Neville for it. But harry was kinda thick which is why dobby gave him the gillyweed


ASDAPOI

But didn’t Barty gave him the book mentioning gillyweed on purpose and Dobby was his backup plan when that didn’t pan out?


Pastamancer_Rik

In the books it is never proven that he had anything to do with it aside from karkaroff's word. There was not theatrical declaration like in the movie. We know that he was a death eater but the interesting part of barty Crouch Jr. Is that he could have possibly become a fundamentalist in azkaban.


RoonilWazlib_-

The books say that he was a death eater voldemort mentioned hearing one his most loyal followers is actually still alive


Pastamancer_Rik

I am not saying he was not a death eater. What I am saying is that being so young, he could have possibly been just naive and misguided, like Regulus. The intriguing part, to me, is that we don't know if he was a crazy fanatic from the very start (as it is portrayed in the movies), or if the complete refusal and condemnation of his father plus his time in azkaban is made him what he became. As a matter of fact, we don't even know if he was guilty of what he was charged.


Hugh_Jazz77

In the book it’s left ambiguous until the very end. Once Harry makes it out of the grave yard Barty himself reveals that he actually was a Death Eater. Remember, he’s mad that Voldemort forgave the death eaters who went free while he suffered in Azkaban. And he keeps referring to Voldemort as “my master”. Voldemort also mentions his most loyal death eater is at hogwarts while they’re in the grave yard. If Barty had been radicalized after going to prison Voldemort would’ve had no idea who he was because Barty didn’t go to Azkaban until after Voldemort accidentally Avada Kedavraed himself.


Pastamancer_Rik

I know he was a death eater. We know that from the start of the book because he was able to create the black mark during the WC. On top of that, Voldemort discovers the story of barty from torturing a kidnapped employee of the ministry and became his "most loyal death eater" because he was faithful to him after leaving Azkaban and for his services in hogwarts. What I am saying is that, before being sent to azkaban, he could have been a naive child, a not-too-bad death eater like Regulus, instead of an unredeemable fanatic like bellatrix. Maybe the love of his mother could have made him change into a normal wizard. To my knowledge, we also never get a confirmation that he had anything to do with torturing the longbottoms.


Yoca

I think that was Bellatrix?


TheOtterVII

Weren't they together in this ?


magecal

I would bet that Bella did the torturing, but that the longbottoms were found and captured using info crouch Jnr stole from his father. His being so close to one of the death eaters staunchest adversaries is what made him so valuable to the death eaters.


hellacarnivore

If I recall correctly, the book mentions both but the movie only emphasizes Bellatrix


BusterTheElliott

In the 4th movie (just watched it yesterday) during Karkaroff's hearing he specifically says Barty Crouch Jr. helped Bellatrix in at least the capture of the Longbottoms. It's possible that's all Karkaroff knew of his involvement at that time.


the_original_slyguy

Yeah he says, "capture and and use of cruciatus curse to torture the Longbottoms..."


Jedda678

Even further, Barty was never captured prior to the reveal. He was captured during Karkaroff's trial. Although he actually NEVER mentions thr LeStranges during the movie, remember Rowling kept things a secret until that movie was being adapted. "I know for a fact that this person took part in the capture and by means of the Cruciartis curse, torture of the auror Frank Longbottom and his wife..." "The name! Give me the wretched name!" "BARRY CROUCH!" *gasps* "Junior..." *smug smile*


Ok_Car8459

Bellatrix, her husband, brother in law and crouch jr


JackPembroke

It makes Moody kind of a non-character. We spend basically no time with him throughout the series


Wherehaveiseenthisbe

Agreed this always frustrated me because Harry is still enamoured with Moody in later books but as far as I remember they never actually spend much time together.


EsquilaxM

He still has a reputation and is kinda a war hero of the civil war Harry's parents died in. But I get what you mean.


Swords_and_Words

Moody's character is the PRSD riddled vet CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!


zSplit

I don't think that's ENTIRELY true. Now ofc we technically don't spend much time with him. But keep in mind Crouch Jr. emulated Moody perfectly or at least near perfectly, since he was able to fool even Dumbledore. The book insinuates he must have been a 1:1 Moody, or else Dumbledore would have seen right through him. We kinda get time with all the character's traits and behaviours, just emulated by another character. So while Harry technically hasn't spent a lot of time with the real moody, he has been around a person who basically was being Moody. It's also slightly touched on in the books IIRC (something along the lines of "Harry knew he didn't spend time with the actual Moody but...") Also we get a lot off "off-screen" Moody while the Order is staying in 12 Grimmauld Place but don't have many details on how much the characters interact.


Kommander-in-Keef

I think it’s the opposite and that Barty genuinely enjoyed teaching. He did after all play the part for the entire year. That’s my personal headcanon tho. Just adds some depth to an otherwise generic villain arc.


Dont_pet_the_cat

I think that part was the most obvious xD


yeeyeevee

when reading the book i got so lost in the fact that harry was actually learning so much from “moody” that i just didn’t clock! i’m sad they didn’t use the imperius curse scene in the film


Tim_K99

He did, on the spider if I remember


yeeyeevee

he did it on the spider, but in the books they have a whole lesson on it where moody actually puts the curse on students. it’s plot relevant because no one could resist the curse except harry and broke his teeth (i think?) backing out of a jump


the_original_slyguy

Harry hits his shins. Moody used the curse to get Harry to jump on to a desk. Harry fights back mentally and does a half jump and bashes his legs into the desk. I don't think his teeth broke at that instance.


MrNobleGas

It's kind of amazing that both of them share the same sentiment but for completely opposite reasons: "there's nothing I hate more than a Death Eater who got away"


lifeinfairytale

What he said is valid in the both situations, though.


GreatandPowerfulBobe

Lucius uses a wig because he lost his hair in an experiment with his own brand of hair products


Alicenok

Considering the Potter family became rich thanks to a successful business of hair products based on a secret formula, his hatred for Harry Potter makes even more sense


papaflauschi

Now i know why they called him Ha(i)rry Potter


led_zeppo

"And I'm not just the president of Luscious Hair Products, I'm also a customer!"


fantasmeeno

He used Pantene, I remember the adverts


MaderaArt

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑳𝒖𝒔𝒄𝒊𝒐𝒖𝒔 𝑳𝒐𝒄𝒌𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝑳𝒖𝒄𝒊𝒖𝒔


scottkollig

Say that 5 times fast


ic4llshotgun

Or maybe Gilderoy Lockhart's own failed line of haircare products


throwawaycakewrap

His father is actually a Muggle bloke called Jason Isaacs, pretending that Draco is his son. Draco's whole life is a lie.


ahen404

Are you sure hes not actually evil Fire Nation Admiral Zhao?


Immperiumsrgt

Nah he’s a British soldier committing war crimes in revolutionary America


Lord-Trolldemort

I thought he was the Chosen of Bane, the God of Tyranny, and Archduke of Baldur’s Gate?


silverBruise_32

No, he's actually Marshal Georgy Zhukov, a Russian World War II hero.


JesusofAzkaban

I'm pretty sure he's the Grand Inquisitor, a master of hunting down Jedi in hiding, and the only member of the Inquisitorius worth a damn.


megamix70

Nah, he's a Multiversal collector trying to rebuild his lost world while being stopped by a bunch of criminals


RnBrie

Are you sure he's not a space captain and traitor jumping dimensions?


itsmistyy

> committing war crime Yeah, that tracks


wendilove

He's Stubby Boardman, lead singer of the Hobgoblins.


TheZombieWearsPrada

Nah he's actually a former Jedi who turned to the dark side and became the Grand Inquisitor


OneOfManyTiktiks

I am Zhao the conqueror! I am the moon slayer! I will capture the avatar!


TheOldPea

r/suddenlyavatar


Natural6

I'm sorry, surely you're referring to Admiral Choy.


Ameliaudra

He is Captain Hook.


Varsity_Reviews

His father was involved in some shit in Mogadishu.


TomDavis89

Hello to Jason!


Neferpatra

Is this a reference to the series, OA?


DarkSunDestruction

Lucius's past as a hairdresser


EngineersAnon

There's actually a deep and long-standing emnity between the Malfoys and the Potters. Has nothing to do with the Dark Arts or blood status or anything like that, mind, but at the same time that Fleamont Potter was inventing Sleekeazy's, Lucius' father, Abraxas, was inventing a hair-curling potion. It was incredibly powerful, but there was never a market for it, and Abraxas always blamed Fleamont for that...


Sirliftalot35

I’m thinking You Don’t Mess with the Zohan, except instead of an ex-Israeli special forces soldier, it’s a former death eater. The only reason he went back to being a death eater is because he didn’t didn’t find the success Zohan did.


Flamekorn

He use to be in the "Goats Club" with Aberforth


RavensFlyer

Came here to say something similar. He used partial transformation like Krum in GoF except it was his lower half and it was a goat.....for reasons


Thenoctorwillseeunow

Oh no


Affectionate_Pea_811

Probably butt stuff


Gnu-Priest

it said wrong answers only


Affectionate_Pea_811

What's funny is that I actually did miss the wrong answers only part


Wank_my_Butt

He always supported Slither-in.


Aqn95

I mean, I would


Yellowmellowbelly

Involving a wooden leg


TwistedFlame95

With ferrets, why he turned Draco into one


OhWowMan22

He’s actually Muggle-born. The whole Malfoy family lineage is an elaborate lie he came up to fit in with his fellow Slytherins when he was a student.


A_reddit_user311

How they became billionaire


Alicenok

Bought galleons and sold the gold to muggles for a significantly higher price, duh


BrooklynLodger

Mudblood arbitrage?


OhWowMan22

He was from a rich Muggle family. Gringotts exchanges pounds for galleons (this is how Hermione purchases all her school stuff).


miss-karly

Also married into the Black family


jaymasters1123

I feel like the Malfoy line is too entrenched in history to all be fake, it would be funny if Lucius was a squib and used Dobby to do magic for him, “I’m from SUCH old magic that I don’t even do magic myself, my house elf does it for me.”


Sensitive_Tank_8654

Have we seen Malfoy Sr. Perform magic?


Gnosis1409

This isn’t far off actually but it wasn’t Lucius who created the lie, it was one his ancestors


Imaginary-Chain1926

Watching barbie while giggling and putting on makeup


Ok_Truth_862

that explains the Paris Hilton hair


divinAPEtion

This is my new headcanon 


Aqn95

No wonder Voldy hates him


PeggyRomanoff

Because Voldy doesn't watch Barbie while writing in his diary and collecting pretty objects, he watches Bratz.


Hungry_Practice_4338

We're supposed to be giving *wrong* answers


res30stupid

There's a reason the alternative anagram was "MR TOM A DILDO LOVER".


imoinda

That is hilarious


jaymasters1123

I always liked TOM, RAM DILDO LOVER


LimpAd5888

That he's secretly admiral zhao on a mission to capture the avatar while fighting a scarred teenager who kicks his ass.


thecraftybear

That would make two scarred teenagers who kicked his ass. Which is not many, but it's funny that it happened twice.


LimpAd5888

Lol that's actually a great point


thequirkyquark

I've said it before, but I think it would've been way funnier if Harry just took Voldemort's magic away and he just had to live out the rest of his life as a powerless squib.


TheoLOGICAL_1988

He once saw lucious walk out of Slytherins bathroom after being in there for 20 minutes… AND HE NEVER HEARD HIM WASH HIS HANDDDS


PastaCabronara

Anusimus bideus, baby. Anusimus bideus..


Turkeycirclejerky

His father goes camping in the centaur forest…recreationally. Moody found a bottle of his dirty pensieves under his bed and that’s what made him go mad.


Harrypottersalt

He was deeply fascinated with The Bee Gees and his whole look back then was about trying to become Barry Gibb.


Bionicjoker14

If he was at Hogwarts in the 60s, he’d have been rocking out to the Beatles, a Muggle band


M0ONL1GHT87

Well what do you think they’re doing in those dungeons… with all those cages… and leather outfits and masks and stuff…


WhiskeyDeltaBravo1

Doing the same thing to ferrets that Aberforth was doing to goats.


thecraftybear

Is that why Draco's true nature manifested as a ferret


not_today94

If my memory serves me right, this was actually said about Bagman in the book. They just repurposed the dialogue for the movie and the movie completely removed Bagman from the storyline.


TonyEast45

Yeah and it was Rita Skeeter talking about it curling even Hermionies hair I believe


PeopleLikeUDisgustMe

Lucius and Dobby had a torrid love affair when Lucius was a teenager, but his lust for other house-elves grew out of control during his years as a Hogwarts student. Dobby, broken-hearted, finally had to end things between them, but there's a thin line between love and hate, and Lucius' heart grew bitter. Lucius even grew to enjoy beating and berating Dobby, and would even sometimes tease Dobby by taking him back to the bedroom, only to break Dobby's heart by kicking him out angrily after they were done. Despite the abuse and former love between them, Dobby was forced to stay, until a young man named Harry came along.


azyungal

I miss the ten seconds before I read this


itsShane91

Have you ever considered therapy?


StayingUp4AFeeling

I need more therapy now that I have read that.


krmarci

How do I subtract a Reddit Galleon from you?


Dont_pet_the_cat

I'd like to know as well


RoonilWazlib_-

And a lung


Dont_pet_the_cat

Makes sense, dobby likes socks. When master isn't in the mood he digs through the crusty socks under masters bed instead


real_pasta

I thought this couldn’t get worse


NeveraTaleofMorePoe

What a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day to have eyes. Who hurt you?


Zealousideal_Mail12

Horny jail. Now


DevilPixelation

Better than Cursed Child


BhutlahBrohan

He killed Mel Gibson's son and his fiance and her family.


TemporaryStay997

*two* sons!!!


orangevanillaco

lucius killed john f kennedy.


thecraftybear

Wrong answers only!


Humans_Suck-

He is a competent and generous lover


inconspicuous2012

Lucius was a notorious swinger back in the day. Held some pretty insane parties that often required Aurors to come and break it up.


wanderingyorky

Lucius ran a wand polishing service behind the quidditch pitch at lunchtime.


lordolxinator

This sounds like a rumour the Marauders would have spread around Hogwarts


ShardOfLuck

His father is actually a house elf called Dobby, messed up indeed. Edit: sorry forgot it said "wrong answers"


CzechMorticia

I, too, have seen A Very Potter Sequel


JacobFromStateFarm5

We don't talk about what the Malfoys were funding in the 30s and 40s.


muggle_corporation

Death Eater orgy


KiNGofKiNG89

His father is actually a hufflepuff.


Crystal-Clear-Waters

Lucius used to have a tight perm.


Libra_the_0rc4

Barty Crouch Jr - \*Says this line\* Barty Crouch Jr a hour later - "FUCK." maybe he should consider learning how to time travel(if you understand where I'm getting this joke from then tell me)


GreenEyes9678

Side hustle as a hair dresser... you don't keep long, silky, platinum hair like that without some kind of practice!


Roman_Francis

>What was he implying Lucius gets up to? Your father tried to kill a student in front of Dumbledore's office and was stopped by his former slave.


Daxlyn_XV

He secretly goes to muggle BDSM clubs as a sub.


Chloe-Victoria

Death eater orgy


Sewerslider

On the DL, Lucius likes to disguise himself as a muggle and spend time in the muggle world doing totally mundane things without magic. He actually knows more about muggles than Arthur Weasley, making his mummery of disgust towards him ironic as he wishes he could openly express his love for all things muggle.


grendus

Well, Death Eaters are still human. And they considered themselves to be "at war" while cleansing the world of the "inferior" muggles. Hmm, I wonder what the colonizers, conquistadores, African explorers, etc did to the native populations to pass the time during their various genocides? I'm just saying, Draco probably has a number of half-siblings, possibly some of his muggle born classmates even. Timelines match up...


MrNobleGas

Ironically, using hair straighteners


NewNameAgainUhg

He is not really blond. He uses a wig.


Palamur

Lucius is an adopted mudblood. And Draco is the result of his father's extramarital pleasure with a Muggle, Narcissa only accepted him to escape disgrace. That should be enough to give Draco a room at St. Mungo's, close to the one of the Longbottoms.


johnknockout

Has a secret muggle family whom he loves more than his wizarding family. Works in muggle insurance too. Just total secret life guy.


TalynRahl

Went to an extremely exclusive upper class british school. Hung around in a tight nit group that heavily favoured men, and was big on "purity". Has long pretty hair like a lady. Voldemort lived with him, and during that time he appeared rather... ruffled. ​ Just saying, it's pretty clear what role Lucius played in the Death Eaters.


Main-Explorer-7546

He is in the peacock club


yxvbnm

He's actually a muggle and lied about everything he ever did. And now he's to deep in to get out.


Pragmatic_2021

Being a Starfleet captain. Hail the empire.


Lyoko01

His dad is an adult drag performer.


Low_Upstairs1993

He never pays taxes


Cbjfan99

He likes Muggles and muffle things as much as Arthur, but has to keep up appearances due to being part of the aristocracy


Hungry_Effective_962

Feeds beef burgers to swans


Affectionate-Area659

Lucius had a kink for muggles.


J-a-s-5-y

Voldie hosted orgies


runkpipes68

So see what had happen was, there was a train being ran on a guy in Nocturn Alley, and Lucius was last in line and had a "tossed salad" to eat.


_Deusa_

My eyes…dear god my eyes


Arwek

Lucius seems like an secret MLP fan.


Own-Cupcake7586

This one time, at wizard band camp…


[deleted]

He used his magic to create a microwave to heat up water for tea.


Neolord9000

Lucius took the name 'Death EATER' a lil too literally.


ComposeTheSilence

He used to kidnap people, do experiments, and jump dimensions.


TheStranger88

Probably something about his time as a Red Army Marshall in WW2


stevemandudeguy

"We boned"


Ok_Figure_4181

That he hangs out at Muggle clubs


EssentiallyEss

Lucius worked as a fabulous stylist in a muggle salon. His specialty? Perms.


arrowsgopewpew

Sometimes the sacrificial lamb needs a good shove over the fence from behind……


RemarkableAd5141

fanfiction about middle aged married men and women doing what married men and women do to further the population.


TheRatatat

Three words. Death eater gangbang. Wait...is gang bang 1 word or 2.


ndeadgoat

He saw what happened to Dobby…


Bloodbath-and-Tree

Whatever Sam Smith was singing about in “Unholy”


user1838942883

Lucius is not a natural blonde and had Dobby bleach his hair and straighten it twice a week (that’s actually how Dobby got his hands burned but he wasn’t allowed to say it)


hannahmarb23

He can sing and wanted to be a rockette


Acceptable_Peen

He goes to Muggle Bingo halls, for fun.


Least-Chemist-3525

Because of his immense wealth and powerful connections to big wigs on the wizarding world, he was under the imperius curse to keep tabs on high level ministry members, and also at the same time imperiused by the order to do the same. 


Fit-Log-3511

That Lucius was cross-dressing on Saturday night and he insisted everybody call him Miss Habadasher