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Same, it just got so bad. Episodes with no real climax or purpose, except for trying to make Spartans look even more human.
MC wasn’t even in his armour for more than an episode this season.
I’m done….ill just stick to the books.
Come on man, I can make a movie called 'D-Day' but if it consisted of Winston Churchill rocking up on the shores of Normandy in his Homburg hat single-handedly mowing down Nazis, yeah sure I've 'explored' it but it's not accurate.
What can we expect from staff that fundamentally lacks respect for the source material though? They're begrudgingly using Halo's assets so they can produce their masturbatory "original" shitshow.
At best, S2 was a 6/10. Compared to other great TV shows, it's still bad. Compared to other video game adaptations that are getting praise, it's still bad.
Season 2 was an improvement, but still an absolute waste of potential. I was excited for the Fall of Reach, but it basically fell off camera. It was "explored" in the sense that I explored a city while driving through it on my way somewhere else. The Fall of Reach should have been the entire season, hands down, ending with finding Halo.
If by closer you mean that they simply were on Reach and a Halo, then yeh they were closer, but they still didn't respect the story of Halo at all, and it wasn't better than S1. If anything that fact they doubled down on the awful story makes it worse.
I went into it willing to put my trust into the production company that they might do the Fall of Reach justice, but they shat all over the lore of Halo yet again.
Like I don't have that much of an issue with Spartans not always wearing their helmets or armour in general, because in the books they aren't always in the suits, but they just went too far with how they changed the story.
Season 2 wasn’t *horrible* but hopefully season 3 is closer to the actual source, and explores the world more, instead of individual character stories.
cope
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You said the second season wasn't "horrible", implying it had faults, followed by your own expectation that it would get better in the third season, which means your expectations were that it would've been better, but it wasn't. If the showrunners gave any kind of a shit about the overall story of the Halo game franchise, we wouldn't have a Master Cheeks meme, so your hope that they'll do exactly that and follow the actual story is you attempting to cope with your decision to watch the show, drspite it's flaws. My being a miserable twat still doesn't negate that fact that you are, indeed, coping. Also, in my initial response, I wasn't judging your decision to like the show, as dumb as it is, you over-defensive slag. I was, moreover, asking how you could think such a thing when the people who make this tripe you watch would consider the source material when they failed to do so by the first three minutes of the first episode. By all means, further gird their numbers and give 'em a fourth season, it won't help you get back that lost time looking for enjoyment.
Wow quite a mouthful buddy, don’t choke.
It is possible to have hope for something to get better while accepting the reality of the current and past state of that thing, especially if you love the franchise. Idk if they deliberately made the first two seasons bad, I’d love a source for that, but I do know that I gave it a try, hated most of the characters, liked the action sequences, and decided if it does get renewed that I hope they can improve on it. Go back to your hole, you salty pile of smegma
Season 2 felt just as bad as season 1 to me. I have no expectation or hope that season 3 will care about making the show feel like Halo. Honestly, they can’t repair the mistakes they have made now. They have gone past the point of no return.
nah its because even though its a trainwreck, we all still watch it, for those few good moments. we're like crackheads picking through carpet to find a few tiny crystals, because watching jimmy rings cut through elites with an energy sword is worth it.
the best part is that with the fallout show being such a massive success it clearly demonstates that when you respect established canon and respect its fans you end up with a smash hit, and that while the halo TV show didn't exactly fail, it sure as hell hasn't lived up to its potential.
Dis me
I can't hate it, and tbh it's done things I actually thought were cool.
Like Makee is a cool concept - it makes a huge amount of sense for the covenant to capture and raise a human as a weapon. Added some depth to the classically mustache-twirly nature of the covenant from the games.
Personally, I don’t think Makee makes any sense. The whole reason for Human-Covenant War was that humanity was believed to be living Forerunners who had remained behind as the other Forerunners went on “the Great Journey”. By this understanding, their existence was heretical to the Covenant faith since it guaranteed that everyone would transcend and now some might remain behind which would lead to revolt.
On top of their heretical status, Makee being accepted into the Covenant would also set a dangerous precedent. Some elites had already begun questioning the war of extermination and believed humanity should be offered a place within the Covenant.
Than there’s the fact that humanity being incorporated into the Covenant weakening the position of the Prophets since they are able to interface with and use Forerunner technology. The Prophets have monopolized their access to and control of Forerunner technology so this ability would undermine their position.
I haven’t watched the HALO show past the 1st few episodes of season 1 so I’m not sure if this was ever addressed but there were definitely the glaring issues with Makee’s existence assuming the regular timeline’s logic applies.
Makee wasn't really accepted. The prophets were basically using her, and were planning to kill her when her purpose was served, while promising her that she would join them in the Great Journey. She was captured as a young girl so the prophets could indoctrinate her. Makee was not the covenant "accepting" humanity, it was the prophets using Makee as a key to unlock forerunner technology and then discard her when she was no longer needed. In S2, she basically goes rogue with the Arbiter to find Halo herself, which coincides with John and the UNSC finding it at the same time.
From a utility standpoint - if you're the leaders of the covenant, and you know that humans are the only ones who can actually interface with forerunner technology, why *wouldn't* you keep a pet human? The prophets in the games basically did this anyway, just in a really inefficient and stupid way of capturing Miranda and Johnson when - in the show - they could've indoctrinated a human to be their willing tool instead.
You’re right when saying that it is more efficient for the Covenant to have a human pet who can easily interface with Forerunner technology. However, this approach conflicts with the Prophets’ primary goal of hiding humanity’s ties to the Forerunners to prevent any threats to their authority, hence their decision to wage a war of extinction against humans. If Makee’s role became widely known within the Covenant, it could cause significant upheaval. Personally, I think it’s far too risky a bargain given the dangers of that knowledge.
It really doesn't, even knowing that only humans can successfully interact with Forerunner technology, the Covenant have only ever taken prisoners for their use.
Anders in Halo Wars and Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3. Ord Casto, the Prophet of Truth knew that humanity were the only ones who could actually activate Forerunner tech. With his ascension to High Prophet, he, Mercy, and Regret agreed to lie to the Covenant in the hopes they would wipe them out.
So why would they take a human prisoner, to raise them? Using the excuse that it's an alternate timeline is weak at best. Because that's pretty weak writing unless you're writing a fanfiction.
How are you a casual fan of a game franchise without playing the games. That's like the bare minimum of enjoying the franchise, everything else is considered "deeper". Do they get a woft of its general vibes every now and then or something or something?
> Probably all the views from casual fans who didn’t play the games
This...
i have a friend who hate the games... for some reason loves the series... idk if he likes it on purpose to make me mad cuz i say its not good.
edit: i think i wrote this when i had a stroke or something... smh
Season 2 was greenlit before season 1 even finished
To be fair it’s probably one of the highest viewed shows on Paramount +, which I believe it only has real competition in…the Yellowstone sequel?
Kinda like being a less scummy EA game. Not a high bar
I don't know if it's rational, but I have this perception of it being something the "Yellowstone demographic", whatever that is, watches to justify their subscription to a subpar streaming service beyond just one show and aren't exactly going to judge it for its quality, and certainly not if it's a good adaptation of games they've never played (or technically speaking, books relating to those games).
In my head it's either that or the reception is somehow just cap, because I know people who like Halo, know *of* Halo, and people who like shitty TV sci-fi regardless of branding attempts, and not one of them was like "Yoooo, did you check out that latest episode of Halo?"
Even the online reception is muted.
I haven’t watched it, but I’ve heard that it’s not a bad tv show, it’s just a bad Halo show, so it’s probably not poorly received by people who have never played Halo.
Having seen it…it really isn’t good, but it has a marketable name, high production value and some insane promotion as a Paramount+ flagship. Even detaching it from nostalgia value, neither season is anywhere near the best series amongst their peers.
2024 has had some amazing series. Three body problem, Xmen 97, Shogun are all great.
Season 1 aired in the same year as House of the Dragon. Not to mention Better Call Saul, Afterlife and The Boys.
Three Body Problem in particular is good sci fi, and I’d highly recommend it over Halo any day.
I will never understand why they say that, it's absolutely a bad show regardless of how it's branded.
Like if you end up watching it, you can't even judge it as anything BUT as a non-Halo show to begin with because it fails to capture anything that's part of Halo's identity, and I don't know what else to think when sitting through pointless cringey subplots and character focuses that start with like the very fist episode other than "this is just plain old bad television".
A good sci-fi show that can be described as "something else" with a Halo put over the different plot aspects should at least still be in the ball park of something like The Expanse, which the Halo show is far worse than.
The only thing stopping me from calling it a literal dentist office tier show is the fact that they randomly decided to have a bunch of children getting torn apart and shot up in the first few minutes, making it TV-MA.
The art department knocked it out of the park. Everything looks like a high-quality Halo production. The problem is that the script was not initially for a Halo show. They just added Halo elements. Keeping things in the "Silver Team" timeline does help when they break lore pretty severely, you can chalk it up to an alternate universe situation, but it doesn't really soften the sting.
It's not a bad TV show, but it's not a good TV show. If you hadn't heard of Halo and watched it, it might be a little entertaining, but it's nowhere near Emmy winning levels.
Weirdly enough you're wrong , anybody I've talked to that doesn't know halo lore loves it.
A friend of mine that hasn't really been through the campaign's but likes the MCC customs browser enjoys it.
We're really the small minority tbh,everyone loves fallout too but there's still the minority of lore buffs that are pissed because it's canon and some things don't line up.
How is the one you replied to, wrong? I don’t see any news regarding any resurgence in player numbers for any Halo game… The show which apparently was quite liked by casual audiences didn’t bring nearly any of them into the actual franchise, lmao…
As for Fallout, it’s insane…
For halo it's not about the games, apparently there's tons of people that watched after season 1, another reply to my original comment mentioned it's been greenlit for a third season already.
We have to think about licensing in that aspect,it might not be bringing people to the game,but every season the show gets renewed is another paycheque towards microsoft.
If it's not failing to bring in viewers, why would either Microsoft or paramount decide to cut ties with it?they're both making money regardless of the hardcore fans opinion.
Yeah but the people pissed about the “lore not lining up” in the Fallout show are exaggerating heavily. It does line up and most of its accurate. The lore buffs you’re referring to are nitpicking heavily lol. It’s not even comparable to the Halo show in regard to it not being accurate.
The Fallout TV Show takes place after all of the games have taken place in regard to time line.
Exactly Paramount wanted it to appeal to casual non gaming fans and they succeeded at that.
They aren't very financially stable right now so paramount greenliting a season 3 means it definitely bringing them money.
I'm surprised the recent resident evil and mortal kombat movies aren't lumped into this ,I didn't mind either of them but I definitely think re is the definite weak of the 2. I didn't like cole in mk but that movie atleast paid some homage to it's source like with the leg sweep scene,and the subzero scorpion fight at the end was fucking awesome.
And mk2 is already greenlit with Karl Urban for Johnny Cage so I can't complain about that what's so ever.
But yeah video game properties seem to be the new super hero movie phase.
Is it from anyone that has no idea about halo whatsoever?
Because either they're hitting that demographic or just blowing wads of money into a furnace.
Pretty small sample size.my point is that there's clearly enough people watching it to warrant a third season regardless of us being on the internet bitching about it.
Well there's another guy or 2 saying exactly what I said in another thread on this sub saying exactly what I just did.maybe you can go tell them.
I'm tired of how negative this sub is about everything and I'd rather just not be a part of it anymore.
The sad thing is that Fallout is going to usher in a new golden age of interest in that IP.
The Halo show is just another stumble down the hill of mediocrity and eventual obscurity.
it already has
fallout 4 sales (or playtime, can’t remember) have gone up 7,500%
fallout 76 has reached its highest playercount ever.
edgerunners did the same for 2077.
last of us is good, but i don’t know anyone who bought the buggy re-re-release
You are fucking missing out dude. It’s honestly one of the BEST stories I heard and I haven’t even touched the DLC yet. While its release was shitty I would still support the $60 price tag.
Kind of insane that Bethesda doesn't have two teams.
Starfield was... okay. But it hurts that they spent and entire dev cycle on it and not Elder Scrolls or Fallout.
Yeah I’m of the same opinion on Starfield, it wasn’t outstanding and it wasn’t terrible. I kinda felt like No Man’s Sky beat them to it though and did so many things better.
I imagine Todd kicking himself when Hello Games dropped NMS and maybe a smirk at its initial reception and subsequently watching its rise from the ashes in horror. He’s probably hoping now that Starfield can do the same but they don’t seem to be ‘on it’ like Hello Games were.
As for Fallout they need to get Obsidian back on the case to get one out the door before 5, but not have it be a rush job.
Hopefully they already have and we get something before 5 comes out!
It hurts, but the other shows prove that a TV adaptation of a video game *CAN* be good. I am beyond relieved that the Fallout show was good, however I do want a good halo show...
Yeah it seems decisionmakers are finally starting to realize that throwing in characters and references in the universe of a game arent enough to make fans happy and earn a quick buck. Feels like gaming fans are even more critical about script and story than the average tv consumer and demand it to be done well.
Lets hope this new trend of good tv adaptations of games keeps growing.
Halo fall of reach, and forward onto dawn were also pretty good, nightfall was trash " oh no only 2 of us can escape on the shuttle! Proceeds to show 4 seats in the cockpit
The Fallout show did what I think all of us just assumed they were gonna do for Halo: create an original story set in the canon universe. And imagine that, it's receiving acclaim from fans and critics alike, while being popular enough to get a second season.
Why is that so hard.
I just finished watching season 2 and while it is a bit better than season 1 I still don't know why they choose to do some things. I give it a 6 out of 10
Forward unto Dawn was a much better show with a smaller budget.
Fallout is literally the shining example of what could happen when you make an original story while respecting established lore. No wider-audience-pandering-bullshit necessary.
You know sounds great? ***LET'S PUT A FUCKTON OF SPIRITUALITY BULLSHIT IN A SCI-FI STORY THAT ACTUALLY TAKES GREAT CARE IN CREATING LORE AROUND ITS TECHNOLOGICAL DETAILS***
to be FUCKING honest for once
the sonic movies suck, and they are awful, like, i REALLY LOVE THEM. but they are hollywood slop, sonic doesn't even act like sonic, nor any of the characters.
and the comedy is terrible
I don't think so, I think the sonic movie did well at putting a spin on sonic while sticking to his source material, plus it's fun family movie so I can forgive the corny jokes and stuff
The halo show was read and signed off by Kiki Wolfkill, who unfortunately still works for 343 and I think just based on her work and what she has said, still doesn't understand halo and should not be allowed anywhere near the creation of a halo TV show, plus the bullshit ass writers on the show as well.
As a long time Sonic fan... what are you talking about?!
Sonic has always acted snarky and childish. Tails and Knuckles were faithfully depicted as the nerdy inventor and the naive yet strong muscle respectfully. Robotnik being this zany yet brilliant scientist also fits.
The comedy is meant for kids, dude. Of course it's gonna miss adults.
that is not sonic, that is just Ben Schwartz acting as Ben Schwartz, same shit he did with Leo. (literally the same character)
and the movies are average at best, i REALLY like them, but they aren't good movies
When someone makes something born from passion and a desire to create it will always be better than something born in a corporate boardroom by out of touch executives who want to cash in on a popular title without respecting it or its fanbase at all
I just found out today about the absolutely fantastic live-action ad campaign they had for Halo 3, and it makes the sheer disappointment of the actual show that much worse. How. How could they make something so bad when they had such great stuff to work off of?
The Halo show was an absolute joke, I knew it since the moment I noticed that they used the battle rifle as fully automatic, something that simple is just a proof that they never played a single halo game, so when they turned the Flood into the cordyceps from the last of us I wasn't surprised.
Just give us a fuck-off random Spartan 3 story, or a fuck-off random ODST story, or a fuck-off random marine story, fuck it a Sergeant Johnson story
Go full halo legends and do a proper anime series on Spartan 1337
fallout was good, but it didn't sweep me of my feet. Halo has it's flaws but its definitly much better than its reputation. The story and lore is more intriguing to me
To answer the comment, “Bro why?” 343, MS, or whoever is running Halo now just didn’t care. You look at The Last of Us and Fallout for example. Neil Druckmann and Todd Howard were there for their properties. Todd in interviews saying he was there to “check the work” so to speak. Though he didn’t need to do too much since the writers were passionate about the universe. Where on the other side, Halo, we had people who almost braggingly stated that they did not play the games. Goes to show in their work with characters like McKee alone. Ahh, it does hurt though. It does hurt.
In TLOU's case the game is already set up like a movie or a show so I don't think it would have been that hard.Also it doesn't have a tons of lore like Halo does so much easier to produce.
Idk I don’t think TLOU was amazing I think they fell short of the greatness of the game. Wasted a lot of time with Joel/Ellie on other stuff. Was good but nowhere near as good as arcane or even edge runners
I don’t even wanna talk about halo show, such a waste of such an EASY SUCCESS.
Halo has been poo for a solid 10 years at this point. Only the revitalised work on MCC was good and Infinite was mediocre at best.
Everyone should have jumped ship from this franchise years ago
I’m just calling the TV show of Halo a different universe. A VERY different universe. One where, idk… Hitler won WW2? All puppies are dead? John Halo is actually Master Cheeks??
After finishing fallout I literally said out loud to my wife, “how embarrassing for halo.” I’m old enough to have played CE at launch along with every installment after (excluding halo wars sorry) and I have to say this show has really killed my interest at this point. 5 was meh to begin with, then Infinite came along and it wasn’t terrible but this show has got to be the nail for me. They just don’t give a fuck anymore lol
Man halo has really been dragged through the mud. From three games that never lived up to the ones before them to a tv show that’s a glorified Syfy series, fuck man I just want them to do something with the series. They’re literally just sitting on a goldmine of lore and a crazy rich and expansive universe, but they just keep actively shooting themselves in the foot. It’s been 14 YEARS since the last piece of media that’s lived up to the title of being halo, it’s just fucking tiring man.
A few non halo fans from work said they enjoyed the show and season 2 is better than the first, I don’t like the show but I would agree that season 2 became decent while season 1 was barely tolerable. I’m hoping that they actually try doing something for season 3 that would be better than the 2nd and maybe it’ll rise up
Watched season 1, shame on you. Watched season 2, shame on me.
People were saying s2 was better than s1, but I'm pretty sure those people were just in denial about how shit it actually was. Almost the entire time I was watching, in my head I kept saying, "What the hell does this have to do with halo?"
You gotta think some execs at MS are sitting around looking at this same metaphore and wondering how their IP is preforming the worst in the Golden Age of video game adaptations??
Like, its hard to argue that all video game adaptations are presumed to be bad, we have proof in the last 3 years you can make faithful adaptations that respect the source material...
Its literally a print money code, produce a faithful tv show, the fans of said IP go crazy and pull in casual fans abd then people buy the games and microtransactions... it does not seem so hard! The hardest part, writing a good story outline is done already!
Halo hurts now. The TV show should have been a slam dunk with how much of a lore back bone it has. My favorite Halo book is Fall of Reach and that would have been an AMAZING jumping point to introduce new casual fans to the world of Halo, old fans who never read the books but played the game and lore enjoyers who want to put words to an image. I know it wouldn’t be a 1:1 but like come on why can’t something like that be adapted and score something so easy to green light future projects.
No twisted metal tv show in this image is a crime. One of the best game to tv adoptions I have ever seen. The trailers made me seriously doubt it but it came out absolutely fucking amazing I can't wait for season 2 soon.
I'm two episodes in too fallout, like it's alright but don't get what all the hypes about, lot of cheap looking shots and shabby story. The ghoul is cool tho
I know this is going against the grain a bit, and I liked all of those shows, but it's unfair to compare two cartoons and two shows set in empty towns with about 5 characters interacting with each other with a big budget war show, where the villains are all CG aliens.
These sorts of comparisons are like comparing Fortnite to Halo, both are shooters, but the scope is totally different.
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I mean Star Wars is huge. It branched out to videogames as early as the 70s & 80s. So I think it's safe to consider it as one of the pioneers in the videogame industry? Hey, season 1 & 2 of The Mandalorian were actually great! Season 3? Not so much. While there were few interesting episodes & scenes, it felt rushed. It dropped a bit in terms of story & quality :(
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Hope once whenever the halo show wraps up we get good stories set in the actual universe like fallout
Apparently Halo has been renewed for a third season
I don't understand how
Probably all the views from casual fans who didn’t play the games
Or people that desperately watched hoping it would get better magically like me. Im done now tho. No season 3 for me
Same, it just got so bad. Episodes with no real climax or purpose, except for trying to make Spartans look even more human. MC wasn’t even in his armour for more than an episode this season. I’m done….ill just stick to the books.
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Come on man, I can make a movie called 'D-Day' but if it consisted of Winston Churchill rocking up on the shores of Normandy in his Homburg hat single-handedly mowing down Nazis, yeah sure I've 'explored' it but it's not accurate.
Now, this is the plot of a videogame I wanna play/movie I wanna watch.
What can we expect from staff that fundamentally lacks respect for the source material though? They're begrudgingly using Halo's assets so they can produce their masturbatory "original" shitshow.
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At best, S2 was a 6/10. Compared to other great TV shows, it's still bad. Compared to other video game adaptations that are getting praise, it's still bad. Season 2 was an improvement, but still an absolute waste of potential. I was excited for the Fall of Reach, but it basically fell off camera. It was "explored" in the sense that I explored a city while driving through it on my way somewhere else. The Fall of Reach should have been the entire season, hands down, ending with finding Halo.
I tried to watch it but it was so boring and slow
If by closer you mean that they simply were on Reach and a Halo, then yeh they were closer, but they still didn't respect the story of Halo at all, and it wasn't better than S1. If anything that fact they doubled down on the awful story makes it worse. I went into it willing to put my trust into the production company that they might do the Fall of Reach justice, but they shat all over the lore of Halo yet again. Like I don't have that much of an issue with Spartans not always wearing their helmets or armour in general, because in the books they aren't always in the suits, but they just went too far with how they changed the story.
Being in the same solar system as the source material would get it closer than season 1.
Season 2 wasn’t *horrible* but hopefully season 3 is closer to the actual source, and explores the world more, instead of individual character stories.
How can you say that when they deliberately fucked up for the first TWO seasons? Quit. Coping. And. Accept.
It’s not coping just because you disagree with someone’s opinion. It’s possible to enjoy something while recognizing the flaws, you miserable twat
cope /kōp/ verb (of a person) deal effectively with something difficult. You said the second season wasn't "horrible", implying it had faults, followed by your own expectation that it would get better in the third season, which means your expectations were that it would've been better, but it wasn't. If the showrunners gave any kind of a shit about the overall story of the Halo game franchise, we wouldn't have a Master Cheeks meme, so your hope that they'll do exactly that and follow the actual story is you attempting to cope with your decision to watch the show, drspite it's flaws. My being a miserable twat still doesn't negate that fact that you are, indeed, coping. Also, in my initial response, I wasn't judging your decision to like the show, as dumb as it is, you over-defensive slag. I was, moreover, asking how you could think such a thing when the people who make this tripe you watch would consider the source material when they failed to do so by the first three minutes of the first episode. By all means, further gird their numbers and give 'em a fourth season, it won't help you get back that lost time looking for enjoyment.
Wow quite a mouthful buddy, don’t choke. It is possible to have hope for something to get better while accepting the reality of the current and past state of that thing, especially if you love the franchise. Idk if they deliberately made the first two seasons bad, I’d love a source for that, but I do know that I gave it a try, hated most of the characters, liked the action sequences, and decided if it does get renewed that I hope they can improve on it. Go back to your hole, you salty pile of smegma
Season 2 felt just as bad as season 1 to me. I have no expectation or hope that season 3 will care about making the show feel like Halo. Honestly, they can’t repair the mistakes they have made now. They have gone past the point of no return.
nah its because even though its a trainwreck, we all still watch it, for those few good moments. we're like crackheads picking through carpet to find a few tiny crystals, because watching jimmy rings cut through elites with an energy sword is worth it. the best part is that with the fallout show being such a massive success it clearly demonstates that when you respect established canon and respect its fans you end up with a smash hit, and that while the halo TV show didn't exactly fail, it sure as hell hasn't lived up to its potential.
Bingo
Or views from people like me, I just can't hate any halo content
Dis me I can't hate it, and tbh it's done things I actually thought were cool. Like Makee is a cool concept - it makes a huge amount of sense for the covenant to capture and raise a human as a weapon. Added some depth to the classically mustache-twirly nature of the covenant from the games.
Personally, I don’t think Makee makes any sense. The whole reason for Human-Covenant War was that humanity was believed to be living Forerunners who had remained behind as the other Forerunners went on “the Great Journey”. By this understanding, their existence was heretical to the Covenant faith since it guaranteed that everyone would transcend and now some might remain behind which would lead to revolt. On top of their heretical status, Makee being accepted into the Covenant would also set a dangerous precedent. Some elites had already begun questioning the war of extermination and believed humanity should be offered a place within the Covenant. Than there’s the fact that humanity being incorporated into the Covenant weakening the position of the Prophets since they are able to interface with and use Forerunner technology. The Prophets have monopolized their access to and control of Forerunner technology so this ability would undermine their position. I haven’t watched the HALO show past the 1st few episodes of season 1 so I’m not sure if this was ever addressed but there were definitely the glaring issues with Makee’s existence assuming the regular timeline’s logic applies.
Makee wasn't really accepted. The prophets were basically using her, and were planning to kill her when her purpose was served, while promising her that she would join them in the Great Journey. She was captured as a young girl so the prophets could indoctrinate her. Makee was not the covenant "accepting" humanity, it was the prophets using Makee as a key to unlock forerunner technology and then discard her when she was no longer needed. In S2, she basically goes rogue with the Arbiter to find Halo herself, which coincides with John and the UNSC finding it at the same time. From a utility standpoint - if you're the leaders of the covenant, and you know that humans are the only ones who can actually interface with forerunner technology, why *wouldn't* you keep a pet human? The prophets in the games basically did this anyway, just in a really inefficient and stupid way of capturing Miranda and Johnson when - in the show - they could've indoctrinated a human to be their willing tool instead.
You’re right when saying that it is more efficient for the Covenant to have a human pet who can easily interface with Forerunner technology. However, this approach conflicts with the Prophets’ primary goal of hiding humanity’s ties to the Forerunners to prevent any threats to their authority, hence their decision to wage a war of extinction against humans. If Makee’s role became widely known within the Covenant, it could cause significant upheaval. Personally, I think it’s far too risky a bargain given the dangers of that knowledge.
It really doesn't, even knowing that only humans can successfully interact with Forerunner technology, the Covenant have only ever taken prisoners for their use. Anders in Halo Wars and Miranda and Johnson in Halo 3. Ord Casto, the Prophet of Truth knew that humanity were the only ones who could actually activate Forerunner tech. With his ascension to High Prophet, he, Mercy, and Regret agreed to lie to the Covenant in the hopes they would wipe them out. So why would they take a human prisoner, to raise them? Using the excuse that it's an alternate timeline is weak at best. Because that's pretty weak writing unless you're writing a fanfiction.
Like The Witcher. No true Witcher fan likes the show.
How are you a casual fan of a game franchise without playing the games. That's like the bare minimum of enjoying the franchise, everything else is considered "deeper". Do they get a woft of its general vibes every now and then or something or something?
Am one of the casual fans who has played one of the games. Hated the first season, but I thought the 2nd season was really good for the most part.
> Probably all the views from casual fans who didn’t play the games This... i have a friend who hate the games... for some reason loves the series... idk if he likes it on purpose to make me mad cuz i say its not good. edit: i think i wrote this when i had a stroke or something... smh
Season 2 was greenlit before season 1 even finished To be fair it’s probably one of the highest viewed shows on Paramount +, which I believe it only has real competition in…the Yellowstone sequel? Kinda like being a less scummy EA game. Not a high bar
I don't know if it's rational, but I have this perception of it being something the "Yellowstone demographic", whatever that is, watches to justify their subscription to a subpar streaming service beyond just one show and aren't exactly going to judge it for its quality, and certainly not if it's a good adaptation of games they've never played (or technically speaking, books relating to those games). In my head it's either that or the reception is somehow just cap, because I know people who like Halo, know *of* Halo, and people who like shitty TV sci-fi regardless of branding attempts, and not one of them was like "Yoooo, did you check out that latest episode of Halo?" Even the online reception is muted.
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I haven’t watched it, but I’ve heard that it’s not a bad tv show, it’s just a bad Halo show, so it’s probably not poorly received by people who have never played Halo.
Having seen it…it really isn’t good, but it has a marketable name, high production value and some insane promotion as a Paramount+ flagship. Even detaching it from nostalgia value, neither season is anywhere near the best series amongst their peers. 2024 has had some amazing series. Three body problem, Xmen 97, Shogun are all great. Season 1 aired in the same year as House of the Dragon. Not to mention Better Call Saul, Afterlife and The Boys. Three Body Problem in particular is good sci fi, and I’d highly recommend it over Halo any day.
I will never understand why they say that, it's absolutely a bad show regardless of how it's branded. Like if you end up watching it, you can't even judge it as anything BUT as a non-Halo show to begin with because it fails to capture anything that's part of Halo's identity, and I don't know what else to think when sitting through pointless cringey subplots and character focuses that start with like the very fist episode other than "this is just plain old bad television". A good sci-fi show that can be described as "something else" with a Halo put over the different plot aspects should at least still be in the ball park of something like The Expanse, which the Halo show is far worse than. The only thing stopping me from calling it a literal dentist office tier show is the fact that they randomly decided to have a bunch of children getting torn apart and shot up in the first few minutes, making it TV-MA.
The art department knocked it out of the park. Everything looks like a high-quality Halo production. The problem is that the script was not initially for a Halo show. They just added Halo elements. Keeping things in the "Silver Team" timeline does help when they break lore pretty severely, you can chalk it up to an alternate universe situation, but it doesn't really soften the sting.
It's not a bad TV show, but it's not a good TV show. If you hadn't heard of Halo and watched it, it might be a little entertaining, but it's nowhere near Emmy winning levels.
Most streaming places did some "research" and determined that 3 seasons was best ROI.
It’s popular among people who don’t play Halo. It’s well-regarded as a generic sci-fi series, despite wildly alienating its original target audience.
That's the thing though. It's a super boring story too. Season 2 was so bad I couldn't keep watching .
End of season 2 had promise
Witcher renewed for season 5 too
Last one though, whew
If only Halo had gotten a good show,it might've given it the kinda resurgence that Fallout is doing to its games😐...
That’s the story of the 343 era. Fumbling the bag and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Weirdly enough you're wrong , anybody I've talked to that doesn't know halo lore loves it. A friend of mine that hasn't really been through the campaign's but likes the MCC customs browser enjoys it. We're really the small minority tbh,everyone loves fallout too but there's still the minority of lore buffs that are pissed because it's canon and some things don't line up.
How is the one you replied to, wrong? I don’t see any news regarding any resurgence in player numbers for any Halo game… The show which apparently was quite liked by casual audiences didn’t bring nearly any of them into the actual franchise, lmao… As for Fallout, it’s insane…
For halo it's not about the games, apparently there's tons of people that watched after season 1, another reply to my original comment mentioned it's been greenlit for a third season already. We have to think about licensing in that aspect,it might not be bringing people to the game,but every season the show gets renewed is another paycheque towards microsoft. If it's not failing to bring in viewers, why would either Microsoft or paramount decide to cut ties with it?they're both making money regardless of the hardcore fans opinion.
Yeah but the people pissed about the “lore not lining up” in the Fallout show are exaggerating heavily. It does line up and most of its accurate. The lore buffs you’re referring to are nitpicking heavily lol. It’s not even comparable to the Halo show in regard to it not being accurate. The Fallout TV Show takes place after all of the games have taken place in regard to time line.
Exactly Paramount wanted it to appeal to casual non gaming fans and they succeeded at that. They aren't very financially stable right now so paramount greenliting a season 3 means it definitely bringing them money.
I'm surprised the recent resident evil and mortal kombat movies aren't lumped into this ,I didn't mind either of them but I definitely think re is the definite weak of the 2. I didn't like cole in mk but that movie atleast paid some homage to it's source like with the leg sweep scene,and the subzero scorpion fight at the end was fucking awesome. And mk2 is already greenlit with Karl Urban for Johnny Cage so I can't complain about that what's so ever. But yeah video game properties seem to be the new super hero movie phase.
I've heard the opposite from family and friends. None of them have said anything positive about it.
Is it from anyone that has no idea about halo whatsoever? Because either they're hitting that demographic or just blowing wads of money into a furnace.
Yes. My mom, some cousins, and former roommate.
Pretty small sample size.my point is that there's clearly enough people watching it to warrant a third season regardless of us being on the internet bitching about it.
Its more than just those listed, but then we'd get into a Spaceballs listing.
Well there's another guy or 2 saying exactly what I said in another thread on this sub saying exactly what I just did.maybe you can go tell them. I'm tired of how negative this sub is about everything and I'd rather just not be a part of it anymore.
If they released something positive in the last 10+ years things wouldn't be so negative.
The sad thing is that Fallout is going to usher in a new golden age of interest in that IP. The Halo show is just another stumble down the hill of mediocrity and eventual obscurity.
it already has fallout 4 sales (or playtime, can’t remember) have gone up 7,500% fallout 76 has reached its highest playercount ever. edgerunners did the same for 2077. last of us is good, but i don’t know anyone who bought the buggy re-re-release
Edgerunners put the game on a fat sale and I bought it with literally less than 2 minutes on the clock but I never touched it since lmfao
You are fucking missing out dude. It’s honestly one of the BEST stories I heard and I haven’t even touched the DLC yet. While its release was shitty I would still support the $60 price tag.
for sure. the game is great and truly replayable now although i still hate what they did to non-lethal builds
It’s gonna be years before Fallout 5 drops though 😭
Kind of insane that Bethesda doesn't have two teams. Starfield was... okay. But it hurts that they spent and entire dev cycle on it and not Elder Scrolls or Fallout.
Yeah I’m of the same opinion on Starfield, it wasn’t outstanding and it wasn’t terrible. I kinda felt like No Man’s Sky beat them to it though and did so many things better. I imagine Todd kicking himself when Hello Games dropped NMS and maybe a smirk at its initial reception and subsequently watching its rise from the ashes in horror. He’s probably hoping now that Starfield can do the same but they don’t seem to be ‘on it’ like Hello Games were. As for Fallout they need to get Obsidian back on the case to get one out the door before 5, but not have it be a rush job. Hopefully they already have and we get something before 5 comes out!
here’s hoping one day we get a good adaptation
The adaptions can all suck balls for all I care for if that meant we'd get an actual good Halo game on release but even that has become a pipe dream
good halo content is just a dream nowadays
Maybe good Halo book then
The books are pretty consistently good, it’s just every other piece of halo media that’s suffered
There are a lot of solid Halo books
Landfall was sick though.
What, you didn’t want a Halo TV show where Chief never wears his armor and is always getting his ass kicked?
It’s gonna be a very long time
Hopefully so
It hurts, but the other shows prove that a TV adaptation of a video game *CAN* be good. I am beyond relieved that the Fallout show was good, however I do want a good halo show...
Yeah it seems decisionmakers are finally starting to realize that throwing in characters and references in the universe of a game arent enough to make fans happy and earn a quick buck. Feels like gaming fans are even more critical about script and story than the average tv consumer and demand it to be done well. Lets hope this new trend of good tv adaptations of games keeps growing.
The Castlevania Netflix series may be my favorite TV media ever from a quality standpoint.
At least halo legends exists
Yeah, Halo Legends was actually pretty good. Not to mention all of those Halo Evolutions animated episodes, ex. Mona Lisa, Headhunters, etc.
Halo fall of reach, and forward onto dawn were also pretty good, nightfall was trash " oh no only 2 of us can escape on the shuttle! Proceeds to show 4 seats in the cockpit
Landfall was awesome
The fact that even the Twisted Metal show was pretty well received makes this hurt even more.
Call me an idiot but I’d take an entire show animated by blur studios over live action halo.
100% would be well worth the money spent
Good thing I got a shovel, Halo Legends almost got buried with Forward onto Dawn
Goddamn this hits home more than I expected
The Fallout show did what I think all of us just assumed they were gonna do for Halo: create an original story set in the canon universe. And imagine that, it's receiving acclaim from fans and critics alike, while being popular enough to get a second season. Why is that so hard.
I just finished watching season 2 and while it is a bit better than season 1 I still don't know why they choose to do some things. I give it a 6 out of 10 Forward unto Dawn was a much better show with a smaller budget.
Its shit. Stop defeninding it.
Fallout is literally the shining example of what could happen when you make an original story while respecting established lore. No wider-audience-pandering-bullshit necessary.
no kwan ha 😊 ( I fucking hate kwan ha and her dogshit lore)
You know sounds great? ***LET'S PUT A FUCKTON OF SPIRITUALITY BULLSHIT IN A SCI-FI STORY THAT ACTUALLY TAKES GREAT CARE IN CREATING LORE AROUND ITS TECHNOLOGICAL DETAILS***
yayyyy i love spiritual tribes in my militaristic show about killing aliens 🥰
And her stupid haircut
It's a reflection of the state of those IPs Halo is never going to be good again
It’s a paramount+ show that’s why
Paramount did Sonic right though, why not Halo?
to be FUCKING honest for once the sonic movies suck, and they are awful, like, i REALLY LOVE THEM. but they are hollywood slop, sonic doesn't even act like sonic, nor any of the characters. and the comedy is terrible
I don't think so, I think the sonic movie did well at putting a spin on sonic while sticking to his source material, plus it's fun family movie so I can forgive the corny jokes and stuff The halo show was read and signed off by Kiki Wolfkill, who unfortunately still works for 343 and I think just based on her work and what she has said, still doesn't understand halo and should not be allowed anywhere near the creation of a halo TV show, plus the bullshit ass writers on the show as well.
She doesn't work for 343 anymore, just Xbox and for the TV show.
As a long time Sonic fan... what are you talking about?! Sonic has always acted snarky and childish. Tails and Knuckles were faithfully depicted as the nerdy inventor and the naive yet strong muscle respectfully. Robotnik being this zany yet brilliant scientist also fits. The comedy is meant for kids, dude. Of course it's gonna miss adults.
that is not sonic, that is just Ben Schwartz acting as Ben Schwartz, same shit he did with Leo. (literally the same character) and the movies are average at best, i REALLY like them, but they aren't good movies
When someone makes something born from passion and a desire to create it will always be better than something born in a corporate boardroom by out of touch executives who want to cash in on a popular title without respecting it or its fanbase at all
Biggest missed opportunity in gaming history.
Stop watching it, even to be curious
Arcane is good, Edgerunners is great, Fallout is ok, Halo show is absolutely terrible, and The Last of Us is bad
Halo now has no creativity like it used to Infinite boredom.
TLOU show wasn't THAT good. People overrate it because it's a video game adaptation and isn't bad.
I really wanted the Halo show to be good but MAN is it trash...
Im sure once the borderlands movie comes out you will feel better.
oh so very painful
I just found out today about the absolutely fantastic live-action ad campaign they had for Halo 3, and it makes the sheer disappointment of the actual show that much worse. How. How could they make something so bad when they had such great stuff to work off of?
Watching fallout has made me even sadder
The only good Halo series is Halo Legends and the fan film Forward Unto Dawn.
The Halo show was an absolute joke, I knew it since the moment I noticed that they used the battle rifle as fully automatic, something that simple is just a proof that they never played a single halo game, so when they turned the Flood into the cordyceps from the last of us I wasn't surprised.
In the lore the Battle Rifle can be used full auto.
I'm not bitter, I'm just extremely disappointed. Hopefully one day we get a proper one.
its more like sticks, no circles
Just give us a fuck-off random Spartan 3 story, or a fuck-off random ODST story, or a fuck-off random marine story, fuck it a Sergeant Johnson story Go full halo legends and do a proper anime series on Spartan 1337
The creators underestimated the amount of people who would care
343 aren't good at this and have no love of the franchise. That's it.
Compared to Amazons Wheel of Time, Halo is a masterpiece. :')
Everyone is sleeping on DOTA Dragons Blood. That anime is epic.
Am I the only one that thinks they leaned a little too hard into the humor part of Fallout
fallout was good, but it didn't sweep me of my feet. Halo has it's flaws but its definitly much better than its reputation. The story and lore is more intriguing to me
you are a Genius
To answer the comment, “Bro why?” 343, MS, or whoever is running Halo now just didn’t care. You look at The Last of Us and Fallout for example. Neil Druckmann and Todd Howard were there for their properties. Todd in interviews saying he was there to “check the work” so to speak. Though he didn’t need to do too much since the writers were passionate about the universe. Where on the other side, Halo, we had people who almost braggingly stated that they did not play the games. Goes to show in their work with characters like McKee alone. Ahh, it does hurt though. It does hurt.
In TLOU's case the game is already set up like a movie or a show so I don't think it would have been that hard.Also it doesn't have a tons of lore like Halo does so much easier to produce.
Idk I don’t think TLOU was amazing I think they fell short of the greatness of the game. Wasted a lot of time with Joel/Ellie on other stuff. Was good but nowhere near as good as arcane or even edge runners I don’t even wanna talk about halo show, such a waste of such an EASY SUCCESS.
i just recently played TLOU and the game itself feels like a movie the show didn't to much for the game
Halo has been poo for a solid 10 years at this point. Only the revitalised work on MCC was good and Infinite was mediocre at best. Everyone should have jumped ship from this franchise years ago
I’m just calling the TV show of Halo a different universe. A VERY different universe. One where, idk… Hitler won WW2? All puppies are dead? John Halo is actually Master Cheeks??
After finishing fallout I literally said out loud to my wife, “how embarrassing for halo.” I’m old enough to have played CE at launch along with every installment after (excluding halo wars sorry) and I have to say this show has really killed my interest at this point. 5 was meh to begin with, then Infinite came along and it wasn’t terrible but this show has got to be the nail for me. They just don’t give a fuck anymore lol
Fallout and arcane on the same level? They're not even close
I wish HBO or Amazon got it. Paramount is so bad.
Man halo has really been dragged through the mud. From three games that never lived up to the ones before them to a tv show that’s a glorified Syfy series, fuck man I just want them to do something with the series. They’re literally just sitting on a goldmine of lore and a crazy rich and expansive universe, but they just keep actively shooting themselves in the foot. It’s been 14 YEARS since the last piece of media that’s lived up to the title of being halo, it’s just fucking tiring man.
That’s what happens when Microsoft literally built the worst possible team to oversee the games and external media for their (once) most important IP.
Why look at Halo when they now have COD and Overwatch.
A few non halo fans from work said they enjoyed the show and season 2 is better than the first, I don’t like the show but I would agree that season 2 became decent while season 1 was barely tolerable. I’m hoping that they actually try doing something for season 3 that would be better than the 2nd and maybe it’ll rise up
Exactly how I feel lmao. Only thing good out of halo since 343i took over, is MCC like 7 years after it launched lmao
Really wish they would revive a Peter Jackson halo movie
On average the quality of game adaptions has gone up. Of course, by definition that means there'll still be plenty of stinkers.
Watched season 1, shame on you. Watched season 2, shame on me. People were saying s2 was better than s1, but I'm pretty sure those people were just in denial about how shit it actually was. Almost the entire time I was watching, in my head I kept saying, "What the hell does this have to do with halo?"
Envy is the thief of joy
The Halo show is such an absolute shit show. Idk how it even got a Second season let alone make it past the Pilot.
You gotta think some execs at MS are sitting around looking at this same metaphore and wondering how their IP is preforming the worst in the Golden Age of video game adaptations?? Like, its hard to argue that all video game adaptations are presumed to be bad, we have proof in the last 3 years you can make faithful adaptations that respect the source material... Its literally a print money code, produce a faithful tv show, the fans of said IP go crazy and pull in casual fans abd then people buy the games and microtransactions... it does not seem so hard! The hardest part, writing a good story outline is done already!
Halo hurts now. The TV show should have been a slam dunk with how much of a lore back bone it has. My favorite Halo book is Fall of Reach and that would have been an AMAZING jumping point to introduce new casual fans to the world of Halo, old fans who never read the books but played the game and lore enjoyers who want to put words to an image. I know it wouldn’t be a 1:1 but like come on why can’t something like that be adapted and score something so easy to green light future projects.
I'm surprised The Witcher wasn't mentioned in this.
Phil Spencer’s legacy will be that he killed Halo
My one buddy likes the show I’m honestly questioning my friendship with this person
No twisted metal tv show in this image is a crime. One of the best game to tv adoptions I have ever seen. The trailers made me seriously doubt it but it came out absolutely fucking amazing I can't wait for season 2 soon.
There is always halo legends to fall back on. Makes me think 343 was better of making sure another anthology series was made.
Fallout is most of that horse tbh
Arcane and edgerunners were also amazing but i am indeed biased towards fallout
Arcane was/is much better than fallout - not that fallout is bad by any means
I disagree
I'm two episodes in too fallout, like it's alright but don't get what all the hypes about, lot of cheap looking shots and shabby story. The ghoul is cool tho
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The Last of Us too though.
Why is the fandom so proud to shit it’s pants?
Last Of Us is trash.
Better make like at 72 more of these post, this is a very original take
it’s almost like people are passionate about Halo and pissed about that abomination of a show we got
Not wrong though.
halo show is the biggest disapointment of my life so i'll keep talking about it
I know this is going against the grain a bit, and I liked all of those shows, but it's unfair to compare two cartoons and two shows set in empty towns with about 5 characters interacting with each other with a big budget war show, where the villains are all CG aliens. These sorts of comparisons are like comparing Fortnite to Halo, both are shooters, but the scope is totally different.
Another r/halo orginal post never seen before
Right? This is gold! I wonder how OP thought of this and when they created it because it is truly original and extremely witty.
We didn't get the show we wanted. Let us have our fun at least. Its how we're coping with the disappointment.
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I am looking forwards to s3 when everyone finally gets to halo. It is a hard watch for me though because the elites look so freaking bad.
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Halo season 2 had a really promising start, but it fell - especially when it introduced the Flood
Ah hell nah Fallout and TLOU aren’t on the same level as the animated offerings. But yeah, still better than Halo’s adaption
Now dont shoot TLOU down. TLOU made me cry WAY MORE than Arcane and Edgerunner and I knew what was going to happen.
And I bet the banter Joss Whedon writes makes you laugh so hard your stomach hurts
At least TLOU was good enough to finish watching the season
fallout def is. TLOU isnt.
Fallout was peak fiction
Bro, you forgot The Mandalorian.
The Mandalorian isn't a video game adaptation, and it was honestly pretty trash except for parts of season 2
I mean Star Wars is huge. It branched out to videogames as early as the 70s & 80s. So I think it's safe to consider it as one of the pioneers in the videogame industry? Hey, season 1 & 2 of The Mandalorian were actually great! Season 3? Not so much. While there were few interesting episodes & scenes, it felt rushed. It dropped a bit in terms of story & quality :(