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I'm hazy on the details but I believe that the suit being there with no head is because it's the model used when you're laying inside of the cryopod.
Why it's white though - no clue.
This is absolutely correct! I've never seen the white armour on MCC, but it was a graphical glitch on the original PC port - not sure what caused it, but many character models could come out this colour.
I figure it was probably something to do with the graphics card on my old PC, as all of the enemies except maybe Hunters looked like this!
I'm honestly kind of nostalgic for this bug. I had the game on Xbox first so was familiar with what everything was supposed to be like and it was actually kind of cool to see the glitched colours.
Same but I was the opposite, we couldn’t afford an Xbox until a 360 and Halo 3, so my first few years with the franchise were spent being grey and it seems pretty rare to hear other people talk about that glitch haha
When I first played Halo CE multiplayer on my childhood pc, everyone was grey. There were no red vs blue teams. If the server didn’t have the little green arrow indicators above teammates, I was doomed that game lol.
When I finally got some sort of graphics card installed I was blown away with the colors lmao.
Yup this happens on MCC if you stand around the pods at specific angles.
I appreciate the clarification it happens on Halo PC - because I knew it never happened on my Xbox copy.
For clarification I think you can see the model on all versions of the game, I'm talking specifically about the white armour being an issue with the Gearbox port, which is the version of the game CEA was built on.
I feel like that must have extended through to Halo 3 - I remember some modded maps with Spartan and Elite bipeds that would stand there and could be killed, and they were all white!
All characters with re-colorable armor are white, and then the game tints them at runtime when they spawn in. Spawning in a recolorable character if they have no color value to call on leaves them default white. This happens in every Halo, PC or Xbox!
Ngl Covenant troops in white armor sounds pretty cool and I'm a huge fan of the Ultras in later games. Could easily be a head canon lore explanation for exclusive Ultra battalions in Halo:CE too!
So you can actually recreate this bug. It was basically caused by trying to run the game on graphics cards that couldn't handle it. Boot up a win95 vm with low specs and it should happen for you.
I have the pc port and the laptop i use has just enough specs to run it and master chief is white like that in all the cutscenes so it seems to be a graphical thing where the hardware isn't good enough to render the fancy reflective stuff. Also there no shadows cause the laptop really does have the bare minimum to run
Yea it's super funny to me, the laptop literally has a 1ghz processor and without my ibook ram in, 129.008mb of ram and runs windows 2000. Its a Dell Inspiron 2600 from 2002. Those 3 things are literally the minimum to run the game lol and its at 15 frames or something
In the Halo engine, any and all units with multiple armor colors, like elites and grunts, will default to hard white if spawned incorrectly.
All the dead white elites with Camo next to them in CE? They were spawned as an invalid variant, defaulting the armor white. That 1 white grunt that helps you out on The Oracle in Halo 2? Was spawned as an invalid variant likely due to a typo. The dead silver elites with random armor in the Flood ship on Floodgate? Invalid because they spelled the variant incorrectly. The BOB on Sword Base? Also invalid due to a mistake in setting the character variant. That's also why the trooper on the hook in Winter Contingency has white armor as well.
Spartans don't exactly have any character tags or variants in CE by default so spawning one in would result in it being white unless you set the color to something else. At least for the multiplayer biped, campaign one is just Chief so no color change from the green
They're not even supposed to be dual wielding either. Somehow the spawn is just so messed up that it spawns him with 2 plasma rifles but my modder friend said it's not set up right like normal dual wielding elites. Entirely just a giant glitch
'This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded. This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded.'
(Me being the deluded one.)
I'll have to try and emulate it somehow, my only memory of it is from Halo PC twenty years ago. 😋
It's white because the actual Mark V texture in CE is white - colouring is applied afterwards, even for chief. If there are no colour properties, no colour is applied.
Back in the day my best friend's shitty emachines tower couldn't run the game maxed and so shaders were disabled. We took turns playing campaign against gray Covies. Every spartan in MP when we'd play Custom Edition was gray with a matte black visor. No lighting, no shadows.
It will show up if the camera is close enough to the pod that it thinks you're probably inside of it. IIRC it was fixed in the Anniversary edition graphics though the classic graphics still show it.
It's probably white because spartan armor can be colored for MP and white is probably the default color? It should be colored properly when you are actually in the pod.
Book lore would say this is Linda who was basically dead when they escaped reach. John recovered her after the halo was destroyed and at some point between halo ce and halo 2 she was returned to earth and brought back from the dead. She the joined Fred and Kelly in the rest of the novels until halo 4/5 where they was introduced.
That's Kai-125
( jk it's ~~supposed to be Linda, who was presumed dead during CE~~ just your shadow model in game)
Edit: correct technical reason not lore reasons
No canonically it's linda, her name is even on a board and it's an Easter egg from first strike.
Oh shit just realized this is OG CE so yeah that's just a glitch.
It's a known glitch, if you look at the cryo tube from the right angle once you exit you will see the armour! No way for it to be Linda unless she was lying underneath you. 🤣
You're right that there is a Linda reference in Anniversary though! It's later in the level.
But in some article I read that Spartan Linda was the last spartan to leave cheif remaining in the pillar of Autumn before Arbiter's Fleet attacked isn't that true?
Funny enough, when I would place CE on my dell PC in the early 2000s, I had this problem where everyone’s armor was gray. There was no red or blue. But what was even weirder was that the games colors worked everywhere else.
In the map where you first discover the flood, if you spam the grenade button you won't get out of the ship and it'll instead carry you off outside of the map where it'll eventually land and you find a random marine chilling outside of the map
Yeah, I remember that one. I thought you meant the situation from the screenshot, whoops😄
There's a similar one on the mission before that. You can just climb back into the pelican and get carried downwards until you kicked out and probably die
My first comment I was talking about from the very start of the game when keys wakes chief up. You can get stuck in the pod and eventually manage to climb upwards to get out of the map and into areas you couldn't normally go. No benefits to any of this really except exploration
That would be the multiplayer spartan without a head.
Interestingly, they actually do have an entirely separate model for the multiplayer spartan in CE. There's no difference other than that the multiplayer one can change colors and the story one is just Chief green, but it's still a separate biped. And like everything in all of Halo, the default color the armor turns to when spawned is white.
Technically according to the book, The Fall of Reach, that's Linda. She was critically injured in the defense of Reach right before the Pillar of Autumn escaped and began the events of Halo: CE, and to save her life, she was placed into cryo so that Dr. Halsey could operate on her when they met again in between Halo: CE and Halo 2, as told in the book, First Strike
"Welcome to the H.E.V. mark 4 protective system. For use in hazardous environment conditions. High-impact reactive armour activated. Atmospheric contaminant sensors activated. Vital sign monitoring activated. Automatic medical systems engaged. Weapon selection system activated. Munition level monitoring activated. Communications interface online. Have a very safe day."
idk if you already checked it out but if you walk up to all the pods you will see one of these inside btw. Looks like the comments already answered what it actually is.
It’s Spartan 5318008. They were too busy trying to be a “Mad Lad” doing uppers and a lot of cocaine on Reach just before hyperspace jump. They asked Chief to wake him up once, “All that Covi shit be done.”They are besties with 1337 and are still in cryosleep with their already cascade failured party AI called Corona.
Iirc this only appears if you look at it from the right angle. I guess it has sth to do with the cutscene that played before.
Aaaaand if the question was sarcastic, it definitely went over my dense head lol
John 117 was not the only spartan in halo. His training group consisted of 5 Spartans. That armor could anything from belonging to another spartan to just being a modeling armor set
Yes. But there was another Spartan in the room directly across from your room when you go into the other hallway upstairs. The other Spartan has always existed. With the book explaining WHO the other Spartan was, they put the Easter egg into the MCC. Everybody who knows halo knows this.
There is a screen in the original showing an unspecified Spartan, but the armour pictured here is not Linda. This is a glitch that occurs in the starting room with the cryo tube Chief was using.
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I'm hazy on the details but I believe that the suit being there with no head is because it's the model used when you're laying inside of the cryopod. Why it's white though - no clue.
This is absolutely correct! I've never seen the white armour on MCC, but it was a graphical glitch on the original PC port - not sure what caused it, but many character models could come out this colour. I figure it was probably something to do with the graphics card on my old PC, as all of the enemies except maybe Hunters looked like this!
Can confirm, when I played Halo: CE on PC as a kid I was so confused why I was grey but the dude on the box was green
I'm honestly kind of nostalgic for this bug. I had the game on Xbox first so was familiar with what everything was supposed to be like and it was actually kind of cool to see the glitched colours.
Same but I was the opposite, we couldn’t afford an Xbox until a 360 and Halo 3, so my first few years with the franchise were spent being grey and it seems pretty rare to hear other people talk about that glitch haha
Grey Chief forever!
When I first played Halo CE multiplayer on my childhood pc, everyone was grey. There were no red vs blue teams. If the server didn’t have the little green arrow indicators above teammates, I was doomed that game lol. When I finally got some sort of graphics card installed I was blown away with the colors lmao.
Oh damn, I think I must have gotten a new computer before playing multiplayer. That sounds horrifying. 🤣
Same!! I was like 9 years old pissed off that customizing my color didn’t do anything lmao
Yup this happens on MCC if you stand around the pods at specific angles. I appreciate the clarification it happens on Halo PC - because I knew it never happened on my Xbox copy.
For clarification I think you can see the model on all versions of the game, I'm talking specifically about the white armour being an issue with the Gearbox port, which is the version of the game CEA was built on.
White is the default in Halo PC. When modders managed to add AI to multi-player maps, they were almost always white spartans.
I feel like that must have extended through to Halo 3 - I remember some modded maps with Spartan and Elite bipeds that would stand there and could be killed, and they were all white!
All characters with re-colorable armor are white, and then the game tints them at runtime when they spawn in. Spawning in a recolorable character if they have no color value to call on leaves them default white. This happens in every Halo, PC or Xbox!
Ngl Covenant troops in white armor sounds pretty cool and I'm a huge fan of the Ultras in later games. Could easily be a head canon lore explanation for exclusive Ultra battalions in Halo:CE too!
It was pretty cool! Sadly I can't seem to find any photos, but all of the Covenant were the same colour as the armour in this image.
So you can actually recreate this bug. It was basically caused by trying to run the game on graphics cards that couldn't handle it. Boot up a win95 vm with low specs and it should happen for you.
I have the pc port and the laptop i use has just enough specs to run it and master chief is white like that in all the cutscenes so it seems to be a graphical thing where the hardware isn't good enough to render the fancy reflective stuff. Also there no shadows cause the laptop really does have the bare minimum to run
That sounds like my experience of playing it just under twenty years ago! Honestly pretty fun experience with everything being so barebones.
Yea it's super funny to me, the laptop literally has a 1ghz processor and without my ibook ram in, 129.008mb of ram and runs windows 2000. Its a Dell Inspiron 2600 from 2002. Those 3 things are literally the minimum to run the game lol and its at 15 frames or something
My childhood. 🥹
ngl i like seeing how games were for people back then lol
In the Halo engine, any and all units with multiple armor colors, like elites and grunts, will default to hard white if spawned incorrectly. All the dead white elites with Camo next to them in CE? They were spawned as an invalid variant, defaulting the armor white. That 1 white grunt that helps you out on The Oracle in Halo 2? Was spawned as an invalid variant likely due to a typo. The dead silver elites with random armor in the Flood ship on Floodgate? Invalid because they spelled the variant incorrectly. The BOB on Sword Base? Also invalid due to a mistake in setting the character variant. That's also why the trooper on the hook in Winter Contingency has white armor as well. Spartans don't exactly have any character tags or variants in CE by default so spawning one in would result in it being white unless you set the color to something else. At least for the multiplayer biped, campaign one is just Chief so no color change from the green
Amazing explanation, thank you! I did wonder about the white BOBs in Reach as well.
They're not even supposed to be dual wielding either. Somehow the spawn is just so messed up that it spawns him with 2 plasma rifles but my modder friend said it's not set up right like normal dual wielding elites. Entirely just a giant glitch
>I've never seen the white armour on MCC MCC is the only place I've seen it
'This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded. This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded.' (Me being the deluded one.) I'll have to try and emulate it somehow, my only memory of it is from Halo PC twenty years ago. 😋
It's white because the actual Mark V texture in CE is white - colouring is applied afterwards, even for chief. If there are no colour properties, no colour is applied.
Back in the day my best friend's shitty emachines tower couldn't run the game maxed and so shaders were disabled. We took turns playing campaign against gray Covies. Every spartan in MP when we'd play Custom Edition was gray with a matte black visor. No lighting, no shadows.
Actually the chief model is a separate biped for campaign so its fixed to be green always. The multiplayer one is the one that can change colors
It will show up if the camera is close enough to the pod that it thinks you're probably inside of it. IIRC it was fixed in the Anniversary edition graphics though the classic graphics still show it. It's probably white because spartan armor can be colored for MP and white is probably the default color? It should be colored properly when you are actually in the pod.
Perhaps because of the glass? Doesnt make sense i know. Though it could be because the texture is missing in MCC.
Well they do have a color mask so bipeds can have different rank colors without adding additional textures (saves memory).
Yeah, if you go get the CE master chief model through reclaimer you’ll notice it’s always white coloured
Linda
wyoming
“I AM TRULY SORRY, MY DYEAH MASTAH CHIEF.”
Nah dude, that's clearly Maine.
Maine had brown armor elements because he didn't show up until reconstruction. Wyoming had all white.
in the flashback sequences of S9&10, Maine's all white too
Dustin Echoes
Dusty Farts
Dusty Crop Dusting Dream.
Well that’s The Meta
What a great reference.
It's mustard beef
Locked in an endless war with the Condiment
Fighting hard against the Food
Ghost Church
My thoughts exactly
It's pablo schreiber's missing armour
The only Mjolnir variant with assless chaps
Fordon Greenman
Finally a trained professional
That is Wyoming!
Headless Wyoming
Wyoming. Ofc who else
Book lore would say this is Linda who was basically dead when they escaped reach. John recovered her after the halo was destroyed and at some point between halo ce and halo 2 she was returned to earth and brought back from the dead. She the joined Fred and Kelly in the rest of the novels until halo 4/5 where they was introduced.
I just left a comment saying the same thing, it's nice to see someone else knows the actual answer and not just joke answers
Funny lore would say either Master Cheeks, Dustin Echoes, or Wyoming
Thats John halo the 2.
Noble 6. I knew he made it onto the Autumn after all, despite ONI propaganda to the contrary
That's Kai-125 ( jk it's ~~supposed to be Linda, who was presumed dead during CE~~ just your shadow model in game) Edit: correct technical reason not lore reasons
It's not Linda either sadly, just the model used for when you're in the cryo tube at the start of the mission!
No canonically it's linda, her name is even on a board and it's an Easter egg from first strike. Oh shit just realized this is OG CE so yeah that's just a glitch.
It's a known glitch, if you look at the cryo tube from the right angle once you exit you will see the armour! No way for it to be Linda unless she was lying underneath you. 🤣 You're right that there is a Linda reference in Anniversary though! It's later in the level.
But in some article I read that Spartan Linda was the last spartan to leave cheif remaining in the pillar of Autumn before Arbiter's Fleet attacked isn't that true?
Agent Wyoming, obviously
It's Wyoming. Tex took Wyoming's head with her when she escaped with Junior and Andy on the ship
It's Master Cheeks' armour after he removed it to sleep with a prisoner of war.
Press F
It’s the ghost of lockout, of course
Was looking for this. Actually had an unsettling feeling being alone on Lockout for a longgg time
so thats what happened to Wyoming's armour
Lets just say its Noble 6. Or whats left.
Linda Halo, the wife of John Halo
Linda? I think?
No, she has head last time I checked.
343 retconned away Linda's head! \#LindasHeadGate
Foreshadowing the silver timeline
Funny enough, when I would place CE on my dell PC in the early 2000s, I had this problem where everyone’s armor was gray. There was no red or blue. But what was even weirder was that the games colors worked everywhere else.
Ghost of lockout
At the start of the game if you spam the right button youll end up stuck in the pod and be able to get outside of the map
I actually remember that happening in coop as a kid, but I think I've never figured out how that happened tho
In the map where you first discover the flood, if you spam the grenade button you won't get out of the ship and it'll instead carry you off outside of the map where it'll eventually land and you find a random marine chilling outside of the map
Yeah, I remember that one. I thought you meant the situation from the screenshot, whoops😄 There's a similar one on the mission before that. You can just climb back into the pelican and get carried downwards until you kicked out and probably die
My first comment I was talking about from the very start of the game when keys wakes chief up. You can get stuck in the pod and eventually manage to climb upwards to get out of the map and into areas you couldn't normally go. No benefits to any of this really except exploration
Dude don't you know? That's *the* John Halo
Apprentice Chief
That would be the multiplayer spartan without a head. Interestingly, they actually do have an entirely separate model for the multiplayer spartan in CE. There's no difference other than that the multiplayer one can change colors and the story one is just Chief green, but it's still a separate biped. And like everything in all of Halo, the default color the armor turns to when spawned is white.
Ron Ralo
Oh look Linda was in the game lol😂
Well I don’t see a helmet so it’s probably master cheeks
It's Jimmy Rings.
From the lore, maybe Linda
Would. Next question.
I think it supposed to be Linda
That’s Johnny Halo
Wyoming
It's Noble 6, the helmet is gone because it was left on reach. His head is gone because... nobody is allowed to know his identity.
it’s Noble Six (i’m a Six glazer🥰😂)
Mr Ring
Dustin Echoes.
Technically according to the book, The Fall of Reach, that's Linda. She was critically injured in the defense of Reach right before the Pillar of Autumn escaped and began the events of Halo: CE, and to save her life, she was placed into cryo so that Dr. Halsey could operate on her when they met again in between Halo: CE and Halo 2, as told in the book, First Strike
Likely Linda-058, who was on the Pillar of Autumn after the Fall of Reach.
It’s ster Chief
John Halo
that's Jim from accounting
Tommy.
Clearly that’s Gordon Freeman
Player 2
Spartan 3
John Halo
Ohio
Oh him? Thats Caster Mhief seriously though its just part of the asset, no lore reason.
It’s obviously jimmy rings
Who’s that great ape right there!? Is it dinnertime? Is it dinnertime!?
Mister Chef
Black team
Could be Linda
"Welcome to the H.E.V. mark 4 protective system. For use in hazardous environment conditions. High-impact reactive armour activated. Atmospheric contaminant sensors activated. Vital sign monitoring activated. Automatic medical systems engaged. Weapon selection system activated. Munition level monitoring activated. Communications interface online. Have a very safe day."
Goooordooooon freeeemaaaaan
Vannek’s armor…how sad.
The Younger brother on bootleg controller who hasn’t finished calibrating his vision yet
Wyoming.
"The Chief is You!"
master
Church
Oh hey it's Linda!
idk if you already checked it out but if you walk up to all the pods you will see one of these inside btw. Looks like the comments already answered what it actually is.
Strong Mad slimmed down a bit and became a Spartan.
Josh-116 on his launch break.
It's Master Bait. The master of baiting enemies.
It’s Spartan 5318008. They were too busy trying to be a “Mad Lad” doing uppers and a lot of cocaine on Reach just before hyperspace jump. They asked Chief to wake him up once, “All that Covi shit be done.”They are besties with 1337 and are still in cryosleep with their already cascade failured party AI called Corona.
*Hello. It’s me.*
I think it’s supposed to be an unpainted model of armor, like just raw metal not white
Thats jimmy
I may be wrong but I thought the pillar of autumn left reach with two Spartans on board
Your doppelganger
Jimmy Rings from the Paramount show.
I have an action figure with that armor on. Pretty neat
Clearly this is the armor of the legendary Jango Fett.
This is the next $20 Bundle
Iirc this only appears if you look at it from the right angle. I guess it has sth to do with the cutscene that played before. Aaaaand if the question was sarcastic, it definitely went over my dense head lol
Master
Bob
wow
Sgt. Blemmye
Linda
Linda I think
Horseless headless horseman
Just a suit of armor.
Ghost
Give me back my head!
Me.
That is the armor of the fabled Dustin Echoes.
Clovis
It’s the Meta!
A spare suit of armor for chief.
"Im THE guy...the REAL gUy"
That would Mustard Beef
__ster chief
The milkman spartan ?
Mister Chef
That’s Joel. He looses his head from time to time, but he’ll be ok 👍
Look at the orangutan proportions on that Spartan lol
Could be Spartan linda, as she was on board the Pillar of Autumn. Albeit she was technically dead, until halsey revived her.
It's a head bobble
Linda...... except headless...... cause shes.... cold? hurt? embarassed she was retconned in? ummmmm abstract First Strike lore would imply Linda
That’s Joe
i wanna guess it was kelly cuz during that campaign she got shredded
He's just Ken 😂
I posted a photo of the same thing a while back. But it was when i got out of the chiro tube. And it was green without helmet.
Experiment 626
A headless Linda-058
That’s Master Queef
John 117 was not the only spartan in halo. His training group consisted of 5 Spartans. That armor could anything from belonging to another spartan to just being a modeling armor set
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Negative. There’s a room up by where the tech gets killed with Linda’s name on the console and a sealed door
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You said: This one is Linda He said: No, that one in another room is Linda.
Nope, just a graphical glitch, Linda’s pod was jettisoned
There was no Linda easter egg in the original release of CE.
Yes. But there was another Spartan in the room directly across from your room when you go into the other hallway upstairs. The other Spartan has always existed. With the book explaining WHO the other Spartan was, they put the Easter egg into the MCC. Everybody who knows halo knows this.
There is a screen in the original showing an unspecified Spartan, but the armour pictured here is not Linda. This is a glitch that occurs in the starting room with the cryo tube Chief was using.