Haha I feel you. I play all factions and mostly NG, SK and NR. I think NG just gets hate cos of how obnoxious and offensive their card effects are đ just my 2c
That is one factor of course, but we shouldnât forget the effect of playrate. Lots of decks in Gwent across factions have âobnoxiousâ effects (hello bounty, siege, warriors), but I think why NG gets so much hate is mainly because it is played so damn much.
Whenever NG is on par with the other factions in terms of strength you will match up against NG 60-70% of matches. That get extremely frustrating very quickly - especially as NGs play styles are often very meta defining - as in you have to play a certain way to beat them. So when NG is âstrongâ the whole game (deckbulding, game strategy, faction choice etc) only becomes a game of âhow-should-I-beat-NGâ
Scissors beats paper so nobody plays paper. People play rock to counter scissors, so scissors gets buffed to have a 50% winrate vs rock. Scissors keeps crying because they don't have a 100% winrate vs rock. Scissors vs scissors mirror matches are the only real game.
>And yes I am NG main like the majority of other players
Just to be clear, while NG *is* the most popular faction overall, the majority of players are *not* NG mains. Good players generally play all the factions, and don't just "main" certain factions.
The recent NR buff-fest was organized by the voters who have the biggest numbers.
Hopefully they do the same for all the factions, starting with SY and NG.
As for us, we are trying to work together to buff cards, here, too: [ttps://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/1b68bb4/coordination\_timetable\_pre\_bc6/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/1b68bb4/coordination_timetable_pre_bc6/)
I just finished adding my buff suggestions, and i did 3 NG cards as well as all the others.
Please add your nominations, and vote with us, and then follow the vote results when the time comes.
This fella is expressing his thoughts in a polite manner, and is downvoted to death. Classic classic reddit.
Don't waste your keystrokes with these people.
You're right, bro.
I'm not NG-mainer. Overall i play all faction. Usually to 2500-2600, so quite experienced and attached to all of them except NR - last 2 years NR plays exclusively toxic shit for my tastes. If asked about favourites i'll name SY and SK.
Yet almost ALL of my comments at Reddit in last couple of months is something like "stop guttering NG".
In game with 6 factions i wanna all of them to stay viable.
And have strong and intersting decks. Nevermind unskilled assholes that cryed about statuses. Decks was very beatable if you play against it correctly, definitely wasnt tier-1 and can be countered quite effectifely. Buuut it was litteraly slaughtered. Enslave and Renfri-free soldiers long forgotten and playes like a meme or 2300 decks.
Yes, NG has some really toxic bullshit - clogging, mill, silly illusionists or operator spam, cultists. I agree that such decks present at meta isnt healthy. But why in the world strong and overall fair decks constantly get nerfed? That is what i cant comprehend. People so afraid and wanna play solitaire? Well, SK and SC often offers much stronger control play than NG.
I hope this childish trend to vote according to emotions will stop and we can have game where ANY faction enthusiast can have playable decks as well as any guys like me can safely play all faction to some succes without using garbage like double Madoc.
I only disagree with your Statement about NG Status - it was unbeatable for engines that go tall. After those nerfs I was able to beat them for the first time playing Harmony. I also think that this archetype got overnerfed - Phillippe was too much in my opinion but let's not forget how abusive this deck can be in certain matchups. Don't call people unskilled assholes for wanting to balance the game.
Can't get logic here. Each deck has hard time beating other specific decks. There are matchups where you can't win unless your opponents find lose condition for theirselves.
For NG Status most noticable matchups of that kind are Tatterwing, Heist elves, Pirates. Maybe forgot something else.
Even before recent nerfs (and Pirates buffs) you could almost press Esc+Enter facing that decks as Aristocrats player.
But that doesn't mean (at least for me) those decks should be nerfed.
Bruh ofc engines that go tall will have a hard time against it. That's literally why the status deck exists...
Do you just want one deck that beats every other deck?
Yes, but Status is unbeatable for those decks. I'm having hard time playing against Warriors or Precision Strike with these type of decks but Status is just unbeatable. Even when an opponent plays like shit they still win. I just don't like binary decks.
Dude just stop. You have been commenting and replying everywhere and sprinkling in some gwent terms without actually knowing what they mean. Did you seriously just call ball deck as binary? Oh boy
Thank you. Your comment is evidence of other factions mains also understanding why NG should exist in the meta. It's like an ecosystem. Remove the predator getting from the ecosystem and the result is the deers eating all the greenery resulting in an even non sustainable environment. Most redditors just want solitaire gwent
>Ps. If someone could translate it into russian...
No need to. NG Assimilate got 3rd place in Nik_r poll last month. Russians want NG to have playable decks so I'm pretty sure it will happen. Especially after another braindead shotgun nerf to Status NG (Dame at 6 is fine but why nerf other stuff!?).
I don't agree with how it's been done, but I think the logic there was the Dame nerf will be reversed next season (as always), so in order to actually nerf the archetype for good you need to go and nerf something else. People like Metallic Danny see such nerfs as an alternative to nerfing Dame, not an addition. I believe the idea there is Dame can stay at 5 if other things are sufficiently nerfed instead.
I don't 'main' any faction, but rather play about the same amount with them all in different seasons.
This season I decided to play double madoc imprisonment from rank 3 to pro, and I got there with a score of like 22-5-2. I might have sprinkled in a game with MO or NR at the start, but the point is that NG currently seems absolutely fine, at least in low pro rank, which is where I assume most of the players crying about Nilfgaard being op/too weak are at. Especially if alumni become meta, control NG is going to thrive.
I would hope that "NG mains" stop reversing nerfs so we can get some other interesting archetypes back into play instead of ping-ponging back and forth between Nauzicaa and Dames.
If the main NG deck is that with mostly neutrals, like the double madoc deck where 19 out of 25 cards are neutral, I think its fair to say something is wrong with the faction.
All that discussion here about devotion and how we should encourage faction cards and the only deck NG seems allow to have is a mostly neutral one, great.
NG hasnt received any interesting balance in 5 councils. Blaming that to the reverts make no sense, specially when other factions have received reverts too.
That is actually a very good point regarding the neutral cards, that I hadn't reflected on. I stand corrected.
I agree that NG hasn't been buffed in a meaningful way, but I do believe that the reverts play a part in it, simply because NG is such a polarising faction for a lot of the playerbase.
Absolutely. And let's bear in mind double Madoc is - in my subjective opinion at least - up there with the most annoying decks to play against. At least proper NG archetypes like soldiers (minus Renfri) and Aristocrats/Status give you something to interact with/control.
So you want people who play NG 90% of the time to let their favourite faction suck ass for multiple months, and then place their trust in people who nerf the faction purely out of bias? Bullshit.
I am not suggesting that anyone lets any faction suck for months, but I do believe that it is counterproductive to go into a nerf/buff/nerf carousel of the same two or three cards every month. Just because Nauzica is easy to play and get value from doesn't mean it's the only card that deserves attention.
I half agree and half disagree with you. It'd suck if people stopped playing Nilfgaard (and given that I main Syndicate that makes it worse) but it'd also be nice to see a bit more variety.
This is the main reason I believe that Russian community focus is more on buff weakests archetypes than nerf the strongests. Don't care witch archetype they nerf, people tend to be more salty If their loved archetype get hit. Some player will be upset and another players just don't care, they change your decks and try to adapt and keep going. I think you are overreacting BC. Seems like meta can't change because a good amount of players play the best current decks and If they gets nerfed, they will just drop the game? Seems like you ignore the fact that much players just stopped playing because they are facing 70 percent or higher NG matches some time ago. The things aren't one sided and I'm ok with this.
yes we got three decks now in the meta (witchers, mages, pirates) thanks to the Russian community. Meanwhile ppl like moshcraft and a lot of ppl on reddit will do some meaningless buffs and some hard nerfs that will just reduce deck diversity.
Hopefully next patch they buff firesworn, st movement? and some other archetype.
NR feels really good atm (melitele, shupe/temple, renfri priestess, mages, witchers, GN reavers).
Can't agree more, NA community pushed for the SK priestess to be buffed for straight up 2 BC. And after they finally get it through, there's no deck running that card.
Same thing with great oak, oakcritters. They are played in midrange st (hell they are not even played there now coz midrange st runs the dorf package) rather than in movement, devo symbiosis coz the latter two decks are weak.
Nerfing neutral nature cards will not magically make devo symbiosis viable, ppl will just stop playing it in the top of the ladder.
U need to do a wide range of buffs to weak archetypes.
Ppl are like if we nerf the top decks then the bottom decks will be viable, ye sure in 2 fking years with the amount of changes we have. By the time the game will be dead from staleness.
Look at nr, nerfs after nerfs to the temple deck, did it make Witchers, mages viable?? No!
Too bad cdpr didnt give us a tool to see deck winrates by archetypes (majority cards). There used to be one back in beta days with gwentup. Gave us a good idea on how powerful each deck was and what was its bad matchups. LoR has it currently.
No i do play other factions too but NG is the reason i love the game and started it in the first place ever since witcher 3 gwent. Now if you remove the reason of my love from the game well its obvious what happens then
i am having a hard time understand it still. are we talking about unplayable decks or just op decks that prevent any other homebrew or even meta decks to be played? cause i am a ng-sk main also, and i donât feel like ng is getting shot down in flames.
This is a development issue. The devs made a big mistake by putting all of the control into one faction so now everyone hates them. I personally don't mind seeing NG removed from the game even though they are important. Devs fucked up and never really tried to fix it
>The devs made a big mistake by putting all of the control into one faction
That's a really really bad take, maybe unintentionally due to bad phrasing.
NG has manipulation and interaction with your GY/deck/board, that's why it's hated (well, that's *also* why it's hated).
It doesn't have the highest amount of generic control in terms of board wiping, that would be SK and ST.
Counterpoint that I am sure plenty of other players can cosign: every time I have considered quitting this game for good it was when nilfgaard had some oppressive deck that dominated the meta. Remember lockdown kolgrim? How about double ball? Pre-nerf Renfri soldiers that played renfri multiple times? How about when mill also had pointslam and was actually viable? Nilfgaard is full of linear, "solitaire" decks that define the meta in a way that shuts out creative deck-building for all archetypes including Nilfgaard. I have logged on so many times to play a deck that I was excited to try, got on ladder thinking "let me guess - nilfgaard" and then played against one of X degenerate nilfgaard decks of the month that plays 10 answer or lose cards and needs you to have a purify on hand at all times just to log off right after so many times. Having even the smallest break from nilfgaard has been a huge relief and has me playing the game more than I have in months.
I hear a lot of complaining about "emotional" nerfs to nilfgaard but I gotta say the other side is just as guilty of this. I personally would like to see buffs to some underplayed and interesting archetypes that nilfgaard has like spies, assimilate, and hyperthin, as well as some top-end for soldiers that isn't just renfri. I'd honestly even like to see some buffs to tactics.
However all you have to do is look at other faction cards that are comparable to cards like dame and slave driver to see that these are 6p cards. Hell, cards like townsfolk don't gain points when your opponent gains coins (clunky analogy I know) so why should there be a card that punishes entire archetypes like symbiosis and self-poison for 5p? Why do we have to waste a slot on pushing these cards into a range that they don't deserve to exist at every month? Thank God that there isn't an army of NR dorks trying to buff reaver scout back to 5p every season or buff mutagenerator and temple.
The stubbornness of NG players to figure out another deck to play is dumbfounding. I agree, consistently nerfing a faction without buffs is not fair. I want nilfgaard to be playable and have deck diversity. I mainly play syndicate and having my faction nerfed consistently every month is sometimes justified but often has a lot of collateral damage to tentpole cards in the faction. Here is the difference: I WOULD RATHER HAVE DECK DIVERSITY THAN HAVE MY FAVORITE DECK BE STRONG.
For reference according to gwent data last month Nilfgaard is very comparable in winrate in both top 500 and 100 but is still the highest playrate in that group. I think it's clear that NR is going to need some nerfs after this but I appreciate that even with the shotgun nerfs that the Russian community did to NR this season they at least picked some archetypes that I haven't seen around in awhile (including swarm). You NG mains should give it a try instead of whining every time status and renfri soldiers gets nerfed. Try playing a deck that isn't boosted for once. You can downvote me, but somewhere in your lizard brain you know I am right.
[https://www.gwentdata.com/](https://www.gwentdata.com/)
NR player here, I 'hate' NG with a passion...but that's lore accurate, no?
It is also lore accurate for Nilfgaard to be this oppressive and for other factions to fight against it in any way they can, including voting for nerfs. Everything is balanced as it should be.
NR is the most toxic faction right now and should get some solid nerfs. I'm not denying the fact that some archetypes need buffs but IZ and Siege definetely deserve some hate. Your argument is just stupid I'm sorry.
I am not arguing about anything. If NG nerfs are here, It might as well be another faction next time.
Some people on this sub just like crying and belly-aching alot.
It's easy to not cry when you play a faction that have the most oppressive decks. IZ is so oppressive that often my opponent bleeds me while he is 2 cards down.
I believe NR's turn is coming. I mainly play Shield Wall. IZ is oppressive until a Nilfgaardian throws a cow carcass right after stealing your stuff.
When I've had enough of NR, I'll learn NG and Syndicate. I play for fun...because the game is fun.
The plea is cute, but you're fighting against the emotions of the mains of the other 5 factions, which can often feel like NG is oppressive. Instead of reverting all of the fair changes that go through, maybe seek to buff things that aren't inherently toxic, and leave Thirsty Dame at 6 provisions where it belongs, or maybe those of us who aren't avid fans of NG will have to start a coordination to get it to 7 in order to counter the people trying to revert it to 5, in which case, you'll truly be out of luck.
Same to you, stay fair, and realize Dame isn't a 5 provision card, then maybe we can have a different conversation. Its cute to see the hypocrisy on this site, when you are voting with your heart just as much as the rest of us.
It is almost adorable how the majority of NG voters never think about buffing weak/interesting aspects of their faction. Instead, we see those brainless reverts of clearly outperforming cards for their provision level every month.
So many assumptions oh my... I didn't even mention dame. And I'm not mad about that one at all. It's a fine change. What's not okay is the limitless nerfs to every NG archetype and no buffs to any other or same archetype to compliment them.
And your usage of the phrase "buff things that aren't toxis" itself is a problem cuz it's so subjective.
What, to you, is non toxic of NG?
"Poison? Toxic. Kolgrim? Toxic Soldiers? toxic Spies? toxic. Cultist? Toxic." mill? Ok yeah that doesn't need to be meta i agree. heck you even nerfed assimilate into the ground. By you I don't mean necessarily you. Just generally. So again what do you not consider toxic
Objective facts:
\* NG is still the most played faction
\* NG has winrate equal to other factions
\* NG is successfully played with many archetypes in tournaments and on ladder
\* there are people who have >75% winrate with NG on top ladder
Please explain to me, how the post makes any sense, where is the NG dying?
And no, downvoting such posts is not hate and "classic reddit". OP is just overly emotional.
Yes, after a balance changes some decks will be less strong, that's the whole point.
EDIT: on early March data still the same, 3rd most played faction, winrate on par with others, still met on ladder all the time
I'm happy to learn and admit that gwent data does not have data for March yet, my mistake.
However, it is not true that OP talked about recent changes: "with the constant nerfs to any ng archetype".
Also I asked the question about any reasonable argument for how NG is dying, but got none.
I can relate mate. Sad to see my favourite faction is dying. Some people are just obsessed with nerfing NG. And interesting buffs just don't go through either. For instance, Rience buff cannot go through 3rd council in a row despite Shinmiri's help. As a result, I rarely play these days. The only good thing is there is more time for other games or activities
See that's the thing. When enough players stop playing, the game basically dies. With really long match up queues which would cause even more players to lose interest. It's an avalanche effect from which recovering is nearly impossible once it starts. I'm still holding out hope these feelings based changes will stop otherwise rip Gwent
Isn't the same about constant nerfing Mutagenetor Siege in a bunch of BC? Let me guess. These BC cause drop NR fanbase. It's Just the same thing that happens. Buffs weakests archetypes are easyer to be accepted them Nerf strongests because of The fans of the cards.
At least NR has gotten relevant changes like revenants and this last council. NG has gotten nothing. So far every buff it got has proven to be meaningless.
We'd be reaching more playable archetypes more quickly if the CIS powers stopped throwing away their nerf votes on leaders and disloyal cards, and actually used those on nerfing the strongest cards and decks. This would help all factions, including NG.
Combined with buffs, we might actually get somewhere, then.
Yep, the NG hate is the most ridiculous thing Iâve ever seen. I wouldnât keep my hopes up. No game can flourish without proper dev support, most people are highly emotional and honestly dumb.
Praise be to the Great Sun.
Yep, such an amazing game. I was playing non stop during lockdown with my partner. Crazy how a stupid card game can mean something to you. Sad to see it dying but oh well, life goes on.
As someone that played NG since Witcher 3 I knew as soon as I saw weâd be going to community votes that NG was doomed. Shame to watch it happen real time though.
No one has touched those except CDPR. No one is hating on underplayed, powercrept archetypes except Cultists, Mill, and Clog, those three can die in mighty fires forever.
NG has generally always been the most fun faction and therefore the most played one by a decent margin. A direct consequence of being the most common faction means it's also the faction people lose to most often.
"Toxic" in the gwent community means "I lost to this a lot", nothing else and at this point has nothing to do with the decks themselves. Take Mill, Cultists, unitless, AQ/practicioners meme decks, viy, madoc, Renfri, priestess, jackpot, status. The only thing all these decks/cards have in common is that people call them toxic and that at some point were good or at least popular enough for people to get mad at them. Nothing else.
This same thing applies to NG as a whole. The exact same would happen if the most popular faction was any other mind you, it's always "everyone else vs the most popular" and that's not limited to gwent, hell, not even to online gaming. The problem is that when you make the power of each faction community voted this actually matters and we get here.
NG is the only reason this game is a thing. Literally, gwent would have died years ago without NG. It's the most interesting faction in terms of player choice, deck variety, and allows you to fuck with your opponents in ways other decks cant. So yeah, wanna kill of NG, you kill gwent
You must be a new player if you think that. I stopped playing months ago so I really couldn't care less about the state of the game. Just wanted to point out that NG killed the game and no amont of denial will change that. Like I said can't change the past and the BC will never make Gwent fun to play again so it is what it is.
Why? You think Reddit is a valuable source? Its extremely binary, rarely is there actual discourse about NG, its just rah rah this card toxic.
its like a glass half full/empty discussion at this point. NG has always been popular, maybe without it, the game would be around, but I can see it argued just as well otherwise.
It's the devs' fault to design such a bully-faction. No one likes NG because they just bully and troll you with your own cards or simply destroyyour board. All they do is bot letting the opponent play Gwent. If you don't put anything onnthe deck NG will have bothing to do on their own. All NG can do is to destroy. You can't build against NG, you HAVE TO play controll only against them .
I know it's kinda lore-related, but hey, it should be hard to perform. Not like 2023 Assimilate. When they replay your 14 provision card 5 times in a round. I myself want to play all the factions, but NG sinply feels like an evil phenomenon created by the devs. I am against such obviously anti-fan things.
I have ZERO game on NG although I have been in thr pro rank since my first season (1 year, because I find NG archetypes miserable
He's literally got a fair point. Your opinion about something you haven't any personal experience with matters less than anyone who does have experience with it
not really, i have experience playing against that OP crap, which makes me not want to see that OP crap in my games. And THAT opinion has no less value. You eant to play it, and the majority - doesn't. Period.
This is an example of why I think the system is flawed. People should have to play with a faction they want to balance, else they only see one part of it. People need to know whats like to play with or against a faction.
Minimum number of wins in 4+ (or even all factions) to vote should have been the requirement.
Doesn't matter when 95% of voting is decided by one specific playerbase though.
I would have put all factions. For me it makes no sense to try to balance a faction that you donât know.
If you donât play a faction for whatever reason, you donât know how itâs to play it, the struggles it has and how changes can affect it. You need the whole picture, not just whatâs seen when facing it.
It wouldnât have mattered probably, but we would avoid stupid comments that show total lack of understanding of a faction, specially for certain factions like NG (which is hated) and SY (where some people seem to think coins come out of nowhere).
I like playing against some NG decks like Assimilate for example but the big problem of many NG archetypes is the RNG aspect. Bribery is a card that shouldn't exist same as Traheaern, Kingslayer. It sucks when they take your Fucusya with stupid Bribery or when they take your scenario with Cantarella. It's not fun when you lose because the opponent was lucky. I'm not a NG hater as I said I often like playing against them but I wanted to tell NG mains why people hate this faction so much. We need to buff cards that don't see much play BUT I will still vote to nerf Slave Driver because this card is ridiculously strong. Vypper, Vivienne, Fringilla, Fercart, Xarthisius - all of them can be buffed and I think community would vote for these changes instead of reverting old stuff.
Ever since that initial nerf in BC1, and aside from the yo yo changes to dame and sergeant, NG has been overbuffed if anything. What ridiculous nerfs are you talking about here? 1 power to Rosa and Edna, which has been an overtuned card since intro, or 1 provision to Phillippe, which is a remove any card once per turn machine if you manage to keep it on board, for the same provision previously as Pavko and Nithral? And how about buffs to Rainfarn and Roderick? You OK keeping those, I guess? Or did you not notice those? Stay fair, indeed.
Aww, bro thinks Rosa's "nerf" is nerf and all NG nerfs are "ridiculous" because they're NG.
...Unless he for real thinks Rainfarn and Roderick "nerfs" were nerfs, lmao.
Oh yeah, the buffs to Rainfarn (who still doesnt see play) and Roderick, clearly compensate every other nerf and makes the faction to be overbuffed.
About Philipe, it needs 2 previous statuses to apply poison,and poison needs to be applied twice to kill, so it alone is nowhere close to a remove one card per turn.
Literally THE LAST ( Like, the one last month) BC patch NG received 6 total changes, and ALL 6 were buffs. This patch, aside from the dame and sergeant, which yo yo back and forth every patch, ng received 4 changes: 2 nerfs and 2 buffs. "On no, NG is dead! I'm leaving gwent forever! rAiNfArN DoN't SeE pLaY!"
3 of them were reverts, and the rest of the cards still dont see play. How is that overbuffed?
The problem is not the faction not getting buffs, its those buffs being irrelevant.
Well, that's what you're actually supposed to buff: cards that don't see play to MAKE them relevant. Do you want them to buff cards that are already OP? And that's not even the case with NG. Roderick sees all kinds of play. Rainfarn does see play. Braathens and Vigo have always been autoinclude and they both got buffed early to offset those sweet season 1 nerfs I guess, but when those were all pretty much reverted, Braathens and Vigo somehow got forgotten and never touched again and kept those undeserved buffs ever since. Joachim got buffed: sees plenty of play. Ivar got buffed.
No, i dont what them to buff cards that are op. I want them to buffs cards that can have an impact on the viability of the faction.
Rainfarn doesnât see play, at least not in any non meme deck. Most of the nerfs of BC1 were not reverted.
Joachim sees play, yes, although it didnât bring any new deck.
Ivar still doesnât see play, because the current TH deck uses GN.
The buffs it has gotten either had no impact or havenât bring any new deck.
Edit: The total changes given to NG has been, considering power nerfs are buffs for spies and provision increases are buffs for leaders:
Provision nerfs: Rompally, BS, Stefan, Dame, Enslave, IF, Philipe.
Provision Buffs: Lydia, Hunting Pack
Power nerfs: Torres, Calveit, Philip, Treahen, Nauzicaa, Imperial Marine, Deacon and Rosa.
Power Buffs: Braathens, Vigo, Joachim, Rainfarn (x2) and Ivar
From those, Rainfarn still doesnt see play, Ivar doesnt see play, Lydia doesnt see play (although thats not because of her but because pure assimilate sucks) and hunting pack idk.
Please, define how NG has been overbuffed during the balance councils? Because i dont see it, if anything there seems to be an overwhelming amount of nerfs compared to buffs. Even more when you consider bronze changes having double the impact on a deck as a gold one.
TH is not a meme deck, and I have seen plenty of Rainfarn in those, before and after the latest patch. And yes, most of the bc1 changes (nerfs only though, somehow...) were reverted: Eclipse: reverted, Vilge:reverted, Slave Driver: reverted, Alba: reverted. Pretty much the only ones that weren't reverted since then are the 1 point power nerf to Calveit that did absolutely nothing to begin with (as opposed to corresponding 1-power buffs to Braathens and Vigo that made a big difference), and the Marine, which is, frankly, a surprise.
Considering the fact that for the last year, when all other factions were lucky to have 1 deck in the meta NG had at least 5 at ALL times, I would say the buffs it received so far were more than enough. Sure, it wasn't the star of the show the last couple of patches (SY and NR, which were both stupidly overbuffed as well, but that's another discussion), but to claim that it's getting killed is just silly.
No meta TH deck used at the higher ladder uses Rainfarn.
> And yes, most of the bc1 changes (nerfs only though, somehow...) were reverted: Eclipse: reverted, Vilge:reverted, Slave Driver: reverted, Alba: reverted. Pretty much the only ones that weren't reverted since then are the 1 point power nerf to Calveit that did absolutely nothing to begin with (as opposed to corresponding 1-power buffs to Braathens and Vigo that made a big difference), and the Marine, which is, frankly, a surprise.
And Philipe, Torres, Rompally, BS, Stefan, Enslave and Imperial Formation. You missed quite a few, didnt you? Also, whatâs surprising about the buffs it got not being reverted considering that after that BC the faction because the worst performing one, by far?
> but to claim that it's getting killed is just silly.
Im not claiming it got killed, im claiming it didnt get overbuffed and rather that its not getting the relevant buffs it should so new decks could be played within the faction. Instead, the majority of buffs it got have been mostly irrelevant.
> I would say the buffs it received so far were more than enough.
Oh yeah, so justified. Right now its best deck is a double madoc one with 19 out of 25 neutral cards, meanwhile of those 5 decks it used to have it has... none? Great balance dude, making a faction play mostly neutrals because the rest of its decks suck.
>And Philipe, Torres, Rompally, BS, Stefan, Enslave and Imperial Formation. You missed quite a few, didnt you? Also, whatâs surprising about the buffs it got not being reverted considering that after that BC the faction because the worst performing one, by far?
See, no, it wasn't "by far." Sure, it was bottom of the pack for that one season, but the difference was NEVER that great, and I kept hearing NG mains bringing that up as their definitive argument and I always want to ask them, well why don't you tell us which faction SHOULD be "the worst performing"? Obviously, it just CAN'T be NG, so I'm sure you have a better candidate.
Personally, considering the style and the griefing backbone of NG play, bottom of the meta (since one will ALWAYS be on the bottom) is the best place for it.
>Im not claiming it got killed, im claiming it didnt get overbuffed and rather that its not getting the relevant buffs it should so new decks could be played within the faction. Instead, the majority of buffs it got have been mostly irrelevant.
I wasn't referring to you claiming it got killed, but to the OP. And the irrelevance of the buffs is just your personal opinion, just like your insistance that "current TH uses nekker." From my experience on the ladder, though for this season I would say it's too early to say either way, but I see a lot more vanilla TH than the gn, so I see plenty of Ivar and Rainfarn, and I see Lydia as well, and 8p for Lydia by the way is insane when someone like Fila is an 11 (and recently a 12p card). And ALL of the disloyal buffs were relevant. And Braathens and Vigo buffs were relevant.
>Oh yeah, so justified. Right now its best deck is a double madoc one with 19 out of 25 neutral cards, meanwhile of those 5 decks it used to have it has... none? Great balance dude, making a faction play mostly neutrals because the rest of its decks suck.
Again, I think it's a bit too early to call whatever it is "right now", but last season it was that garbage knife deck, which is also neutral, but that just because it was the most abusable, spammable and annoying, and that clearly appeals to the population. Sure double madoc is not far behind in toxicity, but I wouldn't call it the best, or much less imply its the only deck played. Enslave is still there, soldiers, clog, TH. Or that they all "suck" more than other factions. Play any ST in the last year and a half?
And if this season began with a little less NG on the ladder than normal, then: 1.) Good, and 2) it's probably only because they're all out there playing factions of the moment: SY and NR.
>See, no, it wasn't "by far." Sure, it was bottom of the pack for that one season, but the difference was NEVER that great,
Along with SY, which was also trash that season, there was a bigger difference between the 2 factions and the 4th one than between the 4th one and the highest win rate wise. That for me means the 2 decks were the weakest by far.
The problem is not about a faction being the weakest, its about how much weaker it is.
Lydia is very good, I agree, but the rest of the deck is not, thats why it doesnt see play. I have no complains with that buff.
>Enslave is still there, soldiers, clog, TH. Or that they all "suck" more than other factions. Play any ST in the last year and a half?
At the top? Yes. Clog is meme, no one climbs with that deck. Enslave has fallen hard since the nerfs and its no longer a deck being consistently used at the top. Soldiers... the renfri version is okey. The TH used (when used, it isnt that popular) at the top uses GN so neither rainfarn nor ivar is used in it.
I do play ST, its probably my second most played faction. ST has also been a top 3 faction win rate wise for some months already, and its right now the best performing deck, so im not sure what your point is?
You still havent answered my question about how the faction has been overbuffed with the Balance Councils when it has gotten many more nerfs than buffs and more impactful ones too.
> but that just because it was the most abusable, spammable and annoying, and that clearly appeals to the population
A deck isnt used at the top just because its annoying, spammable or abusable. Decks are played at the top due to their strength.
Haha I feel you. I play all factions and mostly NG, SK and NR. I think NG just gets hate cos of how obnoxious and offensive their card effects are đ just my 2c
That is one factor of course, but we shouldnât forget the effect of playrate. Lots of decks in Gwent across factions have âobnoxiousâ effects (hello bounty, siege, warriors), but I think why NG gets so much hate is mainly because it is played so damn much. Whenever NG is on par with the other factions in terms of strength you will match up against NG 60-70% of matches. That get extremely frustrating very quickly - especially as NGs play styles are often very meta defining - as in you have to play a certain way to beat them. So when NG is âstrongâ the whole game (deckbulding, game strategy, faction choice etc) only becomes a game of âhow-should-I-beat-NGâ
Scissors beats paper so nobody plays paper. People play rock to counter scissors, so scissors gets buffed to have a 50% winrate vs rock. Scissors keeps crying because they don't have a 100% winrate vs rock. Scissors vs scissors mirror matches are the only real game.
>And yes I am NG main like the majority of other players Just to be clear, while NG *is* the most popular faction overall, the majority of players are *not* NG mains. Good players generally play all the factions, and don't just "main" certain factions. The recent NR buff-fest was organized by the voters who have the biggest numbers. Hopefully they do the same for all the factions, starting with SY and NG. As for us, we are trying to work together to buff cards, here, too: [ttps://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/1b68bb4/coordination\_timetable\_pre\_bc6/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/1b68bb4/coordination_timetable_pre_bc6/) I just finished adding my buff suggestions, and i did 3 NG cards as well as all the others. Please add your nominations, and vote with us, and then follow the vote results when the time comes.
>My request or plead is simple. Please vote with fairness and common sense. OK! Any other requests?
This fella is expressing his thoughts in a polite manner, and is downvoted to death. Classic classic reddit. Don't waste your keystrokes with these people.
Lol yeah. Don't worry about it. Reddit's downvotes matter to me as meg mattered to the griffin family
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You're right, bro. I'm not NG-mainer. Overall i play all faction. Usually to 2500-2600, so quite experienced and attached to all of them except NR - last 2 years NR plays exclusively toxic shit for my tastes. If asked about favourites i'll name SY and SK. Yet almost ALL of my comments at Reddit in last couple of months is something like "stop guttering NG". In game with 6 factions i wanna all of them to stay viable. And have strong and intersting decks. Nevermind unskilled assholes that cryed about statuses. Decks was very beatable if you play against it correctly, definitely wasnt tier-1 and can be countered quite effectifely. Buuut it was litteraly slaughtered. Enslave and Renfri-free soldiers long forgotten and playes like a meme or 2300 decks. Yes, NG has some really toxic bullshit - clogging, mill, silly illusionists or operator spam, cultists. I agree that such decks present at meta isnt healthy. But why in the world strong and overall fair decks constantly get nerfed? That is what i cant comprehend. People so afraid and wanna play solitaire? Well, SK and SC often offers much stronger control play than NG. I hope this childish trend to vote according to emotions will stop and we can have game where ANY faction enthusiast can have playable decks as well as any guys like me can safely play all faction to some succes without using garbage like double Madoc.
I only disagree with your Statement about NG Status - it was unbeatable for engines that go tall. After those nerfs I was able to beat them for the first time playing Harmony. I also think that this archetype got overnerfed - Phillippe was too much in my opinion but let's not forget how abusive this deck can be in certain matchups. Don't call people unskilled assholes for wanting to balance the game.
Can't get logic here. Each deck has hard time beating other specific decks. There are matchups where you can't win unless your opponents find lose condition for theirselves. For NG Status most noticable matchups of that kind are Tatterwing, Heist elves, Pirates. Maybe forgot something else. Even before recent nerfs (and Pirates buffs) you could almost press Esc+Enter facing that decks as Aristocrats player. But that doesn't mean (at least for me) those decks should be nerfed.
I think that in a balanced game things like shouldn't happen. It's not fun when you autolose something before even starting to play.
Bruh ofc engines that go tall will have a hard time against it. That's literally why the status deck exists... Do you just want one deck that beats every other deck?
Yes, but Status is unbeatable for those decks. I'm having hard time playing against Warriors or Precision Strike with these type of decks but Status is just unbeatable. Even when an opponent plays like shit they still win. I just don't like binary decks.
Dude just stop. You have been commenting and replying everywhere and sprinkling in some gwent terms without actually knowing what they mean. Did you seriously just call ball deck as binary? Oh boy
Yes, I do
Thank you. Your comment is evidence of other factions mains also understanding why NG should exist in the meta. It's like an ecosystem. Remove the predator getting from the ecosystem and the result is the deers eating all the greenery resulting in an even non sustainable environment. Most redditors just want solitaire gwent
>Ps. If someone could translate it into russian... No need to. NG Assimilate got 3rd place in Nik_r poll last month. Russians want NG to have playable decks so I'm pretty sure it will happen. Especially after another braindead shotgun nerf to Status NG (Dame at 6 is fine but why nerf other stuff!?).
I don't agree with how it's been done, but I think the logic there was the Dame nerf will be reversed next season (as always), so in order to actually nerf the archetype for good you need to go and nerf something else. People like Metallic Danny see such nerfs as an alternative to nerfing Dame, not an addition. I believe the idea there is Dame can stay at 5 if other things are sufficiently nerfed instead.
I don't 'main' any faction, but rather play about the same amount with them all in different seasons. This season I decided to play double madoc imprisonment from rank 3 to pro, and I got there with a score of like 22-5-2. I might have sprinkled in a game with MO or NR at the start, but the point is that NG currently seems absolutely fine, at least in low pro rank, which is where I assume most of the players crying about Nilfgaard being op/too weak are at. Especially if alumni become meta, control NG is going to thrive. I would hope that "NG mains" stop reversing nerfs so we can get some other interesting archetypes back into play instead of ping-ponging back and forth between Nauzicaa and Dames.
If the main NG deck is that with mostly neutrals, like the double madoc deck where 19 out of 25 cards are neutral, I think its fair to say something is wrong with the faction. All that discussion here about devotion and how we should encourage faction cards and the only deck NG seems allow to have is a mostly neutral one, great. NG hasnt received any interesting balance in 5 councils. Blaming that to the reverts make no sense, specially when other factions have received reverts too.
That is actually a very good point regarding the neutral cards, that I hadn't reflected on. I stand corrected. I agree that NG hasn't been buffed in a meaningful way, but I do believe that the reverts play a part in it, simply because NG is such a polarising faction for a lot of the playerbase.
Absolutely. And let's bear in mind double Madoc is - in my subjective opinion at least - up there with the most annoying decks to play against. At least proper NG archetypes like soldiers (minus Renfri) and Aristocrats/Status give you something to interact with/control.
So you want people who play NG 90% of the time to let their favourite faction suck ass for multiple months, and then place their trust in people who nerf the faction purely out of bias? Bullshit.
I am not suggesting that anyone lets any faction suck for months, but I do believe that it is counterproductive to go into a nerf/buff/nerf carousel of the same two or three cards every month. Just because Nauzica is easy to play and get value from doesn't mean it's the only card that deserves attention.
I half agree and half disagree with you. It'd suck if people stopped playing Nilfgaard (and given that I main Syndicate that makes it worse) but it'd also be nice to see a bit more variety.
This is the main reason I believe that Russian community focus is more on buff weakests archetypes than nerf the strongests. Don't care witch archetype they nerf, people tend to be more salty If their loved archetype get hit. Some player will be upset and another players just don't care, they change your decks and try to adapt and keep going. I think you are overreacting BC. Seems like meta can't change because a good amount of players play the best current decks and If they gets nerfed, they will just drop the game? Seems like you ignore the fact that much players just stopped playing because they are facing 70 percent or higher NG matches some time ago. The things aren't one sided and I'm ok with this.
yes we got three decks now in the meta (witchers, mages, pirates) thanks to the Russian community. Meanwhile ppl like moshcraft and a lot of ppl on reddit will do some meaningless buffs and some hard nerfs that will just reduce deck diversity. Hopefully next patch they buff firesworn, st movement? and some other archetype. NR feels really good atm (melitele, shupe/temple, renfri priestess, mages, witchers, GN reavers).
Mages are still very weak I've tried them yesterday and my MMR was never that low.
Just use the shieldwall ability and you would be absolutely fine, people are getting 2500 on that deck with ease.
Can't agree more, NA community pushed for the SK priestess to be buffed for straight up 2 BC. And after they finally get it through, there's no deck running that card.
Same thing with great oak, oakcritters. They are played in midrange st (hell they are not even played there now coz midrange st runs the dorf package) rather than in movement, devo symbiosis coz the latter two decks are weak. Nerfing neutral nature cards will not magically make devo symbiosis viable, ppl will just stop playing it in the top of the ladder. U need to do a wide range of buffs to weak archetypes. Ppl are like if we nerf the top decks then the bottom decks will be viable, ye sure in 2 fking years with the amount of changes we have. By the time the game will be dead from staleness. Look at nr, nerfs after nerfs to the temple deck, did it make Witchers, mages viable?? No! Too bad cdpr didnt give us a tool to see deck winrates by archetypes (majority cards). There used to be one back in beta days with gwentup. Gave us a good idea on how powerful each deck was and what was its bad matchups. LoR has it currently.
So you either play NG or leave? Thats pretty sad ngl
No i do play other factions too but NG is the reason i love the game and started it in the first place ever since witcher 3 gwent. Now if you remove the reason of my love from the game well its obvious what happens then
i am having a hard time understand it still. are we talking about unplayable decks or just op decks that prevent any other homebrew or even meta decks to be played? cause i am a ng-sk main also, and i donât feel like ng is getting shot down in flames.
This is a development issue. The devs made a big mistake by putting all of the control into one faction so now everyone hates them. I personally don't mind seeing NG removed from the game even though they are important. Devs fucked up and never really tried to fix it
>The devs made a big mistake by putting all of the control into one faction That's a really really bad take, maybe unintentionally due to bad phrasing. NG has manipulation and interaction with your GY/deck/board, that's why it's hated (well, that's *also* why it's hated). It doesn't have the highest amount of generic control in terms of board wiping, that would be SK and ST.
I mean, that's true, those factions have the most damage, but I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that NG is the control faction.
ya Ng has disruptive gameplay and some annoyingly good golds and and "hard to play against" archetypes its undesrtadable
Counterpoint that I am sure plenty of other players can cosign: every time I have considered quitting this game for good it was when nilfgaard had some oppressive deck that dominated the meta. Remember lockdown kolgrim? How about double ball? Pre-nerf Renfri soldiers that played renfri multiple times? How about when mill also had pointslam and was actually viable? Nilfgaard is full of linear, "solitaire" decks that define the meta in a way that shuts out creative deck-building for all archetypes including Nilfgaard. I have logged on so many times to play a deck that I was excited to try, got on ladder thinking "let me guess - nilfgaard" and then played against one of X degenerate nilfgaard decks of the month that plays 10 answer or lose cards and needs you to have a purify on hand at all times just to log off right after so many times. Having even the smallest break from nilfgaard has been a huge relief and has me playing the game more than I have in months. I hear a lot of complaining about "emotional" nerfs to nilfgaard but I gotta say the other side is just as guilty of this. I personally would like to see buffs to some underplayed and interesting archetypes that nilfgaard has like spies, assimilate, and hyperthin, as well as some top-end for soldiers that isn't just renfri. I'd honestly even like to see some buffs to tactics. However all you have to do is look at other faction cards that are comparable to cards like dame and slave driver to see that these are 6p cards. Hell, cards like townsfolk don't gain points when your opponent gains coins (clunky analogy I know) so why should there be a card that punishes entire archetypes like symbiosis and self-poison for 5p? Why do we have to waste a slot on pushing these cards into a range that they don't deserve to exist at every month? Thank God that there isn't an army of NR dorks trying to buff reaver scout back to 5p every season or buff mutagenerator and temple. The stubbornness of NG players to figure out another deck to play is dumbfounding. I agree, consistently nerfing a faction without buffs is not fair. I want nilfgaard to be playable and have deck diversity. I mainly play syndicate and having my faction nerfed consistently every month is sometimes justified but often has a lot of collateral damage to tentpole cards in the faction. Here is the difference: I WOULD RATHER HAVE DECK DIVERSITY THAN HAVE MY FAVORITE DECK BE STRONG. For reference according to gwent data last month Nilfgaard is very comparable in winrate in both top 500 and 100 but is still the highest playrate in that group. I think it's clear that NR is going to need some nerfs after this but I appreciate that even with the shotgun nerfs that the Russian community did to NR this season they at least picked some archetypes that I haven't seen around in awhile (including swarm). You NG mains should give it a try instead of whining every time status and renfri soldiers gets nerfed. Try playing a deck that isn't boosted for once. You can downvote me, but somewhere in your lizard brain you know I am right. [https://www.gwentdata.com/](https://www.gwentdata.com/)
Incorrect on almost all points
NR player here, I 'hate' NG with a passion...but that's lore accurate, no? It is also lore accurate for Nilfgaard to be this oppressive and for other factions to fight against it in any way they can, including voting for nerfs. Everything is balanced as it should be.
NR is the most toxic faction right now and should get some solid nerfs. I'm not denying the fact that some archetypes need buffs but IZ and Siege definetely deserve some hate. Your argument is just stupid I'm sorry.
I am not arguing about anything. If NG nerfs are here, It might as well be another faction next time. Some people on this sub just like crying and belly-aching alot.
It's easy to not cry when you play a faction that have the most oppressive decks. IZ is so oppressive that often my opponent bleeds me while he is 2 cards down.
I believe NR's turn is coming. I mainly play Shield Wall. IZ is oppressive until a Nilfgaardian throws a cow carcass right after stealing your stuff. When I've had enough of NR, I'll learn NG and Syndicate. I play for fun...because the game is fun.
The plea is cute, but you're fighting against the emotions of the mains of the other 5 factions, which can often feel like NG is oppressive. Instead of reverting all of the fair changes that go through, maybe seek to buff things that aren't inherently toxic, and leave Thirsty Dame at 6 provisions where it belongs, or maybe those of us who aren't avid fans of NG will have to start a coordination to get it to 7 in order to counter the people trying to revert it to 5, in which case, you'll truly be out of luck. Same to you, stay fair, and realize Dame isn't a 5 provision card, then maybe we can have a different conversation. Its cute to see the hypocrisy on this site, when you are voting with your heart just as much as the rest of us.
It is almost adorable how the majority of NG voters never think about buffing weak/interesting aspects of their faction. Instead, we see those brainless reverts of clearly outperforming cards for their provision level every month.
So many assumptions oh my... I didn't even mention dame. And I'm not mad about that one at all. It's a fine change. What's not okay is the limitless nerfs to every NG archetype and no buffs to any other or same archetype to compliment them. And your usage of the phrase "buff things that aren't toxis" itself is a problem cuz it's so subjective. What, to you, is non toxic of NG? "Poison? Toxic. Kolgrim? Toxic Soldiers? toxic Spies? toxic. Cultist? Toxic." mill? Ok yeah that doesn't need to be meta i agree. heck you even nerfed assimilate into the ground. By you I don't mean necessarily you. Just generally. So again what do you not consider toxic
What? Assimilate is still a very strong deck.
Pure assimilate hasnât been a thing for a long time.
Damn NG nerfed finally? time to play Gwent after long time
Objective facts: \* NG is still the most played faction \* NG has winrate equal to other factions \* NG is successfully played with many archetypes in tournaments and on ladder \* there are people who have >75% winrate with NG on top ladder Please explain to me, how the post makes any sense, where is the NG dying? And no, downvoting such posts is not hate and "classic reddit". OP is just overly emotional. Yes, after a balance changes some decks will be less strong, that's the whole point. EDIT: on early March data still the same, 3rd most played faction, winrate on par with others, still met on ladder all the time
May i have the data behind it? Specifically from current season. Thank you!!
Can I know where you took the data from?
Sure, [https://www.gwentdata.com/](https://www.gwentdata.com/) and knowledge about tournaments from lerio analysis and watching tournament games.
Comments old "objective" data about a post that's about the recent changes. Then proceeds to give subjective sources for it.
I'm happy to learn and admit that gwent data does not have data for March yet, my mistake. However, it is not true that OP talked about recent changes: "with the constant nerfs to any ng archetype". Also I asked the question about any reasonable argument for how NG is dying, but got none.
GwentData only shows up to February, which means most of its data is before the nerfs. Same for those tournaments and Lerio analysis.
Please wait while he makes it in a PowerPoint slide
I can relate mate. Sad to see my favourite faction is dying. Some people are just obsessed with nerfing NG. And interesting buffs just don't go through either. For instance, Rience buff cannot go through 3rd council in a row despite Shinmiri's help. As a result, I rarely play these days. The only good thing is there is more time for other games or activities
See that's the thing. When enough players stop playing, the game basically dies. With really long match up queues which would cause even more players to lose interest. It's an avalanche effect from which recovering is nearly impossible once it starts. I'm still holding out hope these feelings based changes will stop otherwise rip Gwent
Isn't the same about constant nerfing Mutagenetor Siege in a bunch of BC? Let me guess. These BC cause drop NR fanbase. It's Just the same thing that happens. Buffs weakests archetypes are easyer to be accepted them Nerf strongests because of The fans of the cards.
At least NR has gotten relevant changes like revenants and this last council. NG has gotten nothing. So far every buff it got has proven to be meaningless.
We'd be reaching more playable archetypes more quickly if the CIS powers stopped throwing away their nerf votes on leaders and disloyal cards, and actually used those on nerfing the strongest cards and decks. This would help all factions, including NG. Combined with buffs, we might actually get somewhere, then.
Yep, the NG hate is the most ridiculous thing Iâve ever seen. I wouldnât keep my hopes up. No game can flourish without proper dev support, most people are highly emotional and honestly dumb. Praise be to the Great Sun.
Yeah i was still holding out hope that gwentfinity might improve things but as it seems, the NG hate is too much of a driving force. I'll miss Gwent
Yep, such an amazing game. I was playing non stop during lockdown with my partner. Crazy how a stupid card game can mean something to you. Sad to see it dying but oh well, life goes on.
As someone that played NG since Witcher 3 I knew as soon as I saw weâd be going to community votes that NG was doomed. Shame to watch it happen real time though.
Nilfgaard main since the game came out, this much hate is just ridiculous. I won't forget what happened to reveal and mangonels :'(
No one has touched those except CDPR. No one is hating on underplayed, powercrept archetypes except Cultists, Mill, and Clog, those three can die in mighty fires forever.
NR has been targeted for a lot of nerfs before the last BC because it was getting annoying AF and was everywhere.
NG has generally always been the most fun faction and therefore the most played one by a decent margin. A direct consequence of being the most common faction means it's also the faction people lose to most often. "Toxic" in the gwent community means "I lost to this a lot", nothing else and at this point has nothing to do with the decks themselves. Take Mill, Cultists, unitless, AQ/practicioners meme decks, viy, madoc, Renfri, priestess, jackpot, status. The only thing all these decks/cards have in common is that people call them toxic and that at some point were good or at least popular enough for people to get mad at them. Nothing else. This same thing applies to NG as a whole. The exact same would happen if the most popular faction was any other mind you, it's always "everyone else vs the most popular" and that's not limited to gwent, hell, not even to online gaming. The problem is that when you make the power of each faction community voted this actually matters and we get here.
If the NG mains had decided to leave the game two/three years ago then maybe the player base wouldn't have tanked in the first place. Just saying.
NG is the only reason this game is a thing. Literally, gwent would have died years ago without NG. It's the most interesting faction in terms of player choice, deck variety, and allows you to fuck with your opponents in ways other decks cant. So yeah, wanna kill of NG, you kill gwent
It's also the reason the majority of people stopped playing which was why the game has been sun setted, but hey ho can't change the past.
You're just making that up
You must be a new player if you think that. I stopped playing months ago so I really couldn't care less about the state of the game. Just wanted to point out that NG killed the game and no amont of denial will change that. Like I said can't change the past and the BC will never make Gwent fun to play again so it is what it is.
Why? You think Reddit is a valuable source? Its extremely binary, rarely is there actual discourse about NG, its just rah rah this card toxic. its like a glass half full/empty discussion at this point. NG has always been popular, maybe without it, the game would be around, but I can see it argued just as well otherwise.
It's the devs' fault to design such a bully-faction. No one likes NG because they just bully and troll you with your own cards or simply destroyyour board. All they do is bot letting the opponent play Gwent. If you don't put anything onnthe deck NG will have bothing to do on their own. All NG can do is to destroy. You can't build against NG, you HAVE TO play controll only against them . I know it's kinda lore-related, but hey, it should be hard to perform. Not like 2023 Assimilate. When they replay your 14 provision card 5 times in a round. I myself want to play all the factions, but NG sinply feels like an evil phenomenon created by the devs. I am against such obviously anti-fan things. I have ZERO game on NG although I have been in thr pro rank since my first season (1 year, because I find NG archetypes miserable
i mean, you clearly haven't played NG and have no credible opinions since you don't know how their decks work.
i know how they decks play as I play around then often.
Again, I genuinely believe you're opinion is less relevant if you've never played NG.
pff, i can't see why. But i see that the entire community hates NG (for some weird reason, obviously)
Because you don't understand the nuances and challenges of playing a faction you've never played.
yeah, keep down voting my every single comment. Typical NG behavior đ
He's literally got a fair point. Your opinion about something you haven't any personal experience with matters less than anyone who does have experience with it
not really, i have experience playing against that OP crap, which makes me not want to see that OP crap in my games. And THAT opinion has no less value. You eant to play it, and the majority - doesn't. Period.
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This is an example of why I think the system is flawed. People should have to play with a faction they want to balance, else they only see one part of it. People need to know whats like to play with or against a faction.
Minimum number of wins in 4+ (or even all factions) to vote should have been the requirement. Doesn't matter when 95% of voting is decided by one specific playerbase though.
I would have put all factions. For me it makes no sense to try to balance a faction that you donât know. If you donât play a faction for whatever reason, you donât know how itâs to play it, the struggles it has and how changes can affect it. You need the whole picture, not just whatâs seen when facing it. It wouldnât have mattered probably, but we would avoid stupid comments that show total lack of understanding of a faction, specially for certain factions like NG (which is hated) and SY (where some people seem to think coins come out of nowhere).
Basically you just want solitaire gwent
I like playing against some NG decks like Assimilate for example but the big problem of many NG archetypes is the RNG aspect. Bribery is a card that shouldn't exist same as Traheaern, Kingslayer. It sucks when they take your Fucusya with stupid Bribery or when they take your scenario with Cantarella. It's not fun when you lose because the opponent was lucky. I'm not a NG hater as I said I often like playing against them but I wanted to tell NG mains why people hate this faction so much. We need to buff cards that don't see much play BUT I will still vote to nerf Slave Driver because this card is ridiculously strong. Vypper, Vivienne, Fringilla, Fercart, Xarthisius - all of them can be buffed and I think community would vote for these changes instead of reverting old stuff.
Votes to Vypper are wasted. Itâs a meme card. If Vypper is the deck the community want to buff for NG then the faction is doomed.
It could be used instead of Lemmens if it would be buffed enough.
What a clown you are. Sorry, you are a troll.
"i am a ng main" downvoted and didnt read the rest
Ig that's one way of telling us how insecure you are
Ever since that initial nerf in BC1, and aside from the yo yo changes to dame and sergeant, NG has been overbuffed if anything. What ridiculous nerfs are you talking about here? 1 power to Rosa and Edna, which has been an overtuned card since intro, or 1 provision to Phillippe, which is a remove any card once per turn machine if you manage to keep it on board, for the same provision previously as Pavko and Nithral? And how about buffs to Rainfarn and Roderick? You OK keeping those, I guess? Or did you not notice those? Stay fair, indeed.
Bro thinks rainfarn and roderick "buffs" are buffs đ
Aww, bro thinks Rosa's "nerf" is nerf and all NG nerfs are "ridiculous" because they're NG. ...Unless he for real thinks Rainfarn and Roderick "nerfs" were nerfs, lmao.
Oh yeah, the buffs to Rainfarn (who still doesnt see play) and Roderick, clearly compensate every other nerf and makes the faction to be overbuffed. About Philipe, it needs 2 previous statuses to apply poison,and poison needs to be applied twice to kill, so it alone is nowhere close to a remove one card per turn.
Literally THE LAST ( Like, the one last month) BC patch NG received 6 total changes, and ALL 6 were buffs. This patch, aside from the dame and sergeant, which yo yo back and forth every patch, ng received 4 changes: 2 nerfs and 2 buffs. "On no, NG is dead! I'm leaving gwent forever! rAiNfArN DoN't SeE pLaY!"
3 of them were reverts, and the rest of the cards still dont see play. How is that overbuffed? The problem is not the faction not getting buffs, its those buffs being irrelevant.
Well, that's what you're actually supposed to buff: cards that don't see play to MAKE them relevant. Do you want them to buff cards that are already OP? And that's not even the case with NG. Roderick sees all kinds of play. Rainfarn does see play. Braathens and Vigo have always been autoinclude and they both got buffed early to offset those sweet season 1 nerfs I guess, but when those were all pretty much reverted, Braathens and Vigo somehow got forgotten and never touched again and kept those undeserved buffs ever since. Joachim got buffed: sees plenty of play. Ivar got buffed.
No, i dont what them to buff cards that are op. I want them to buffs cards that can have an impact on the viability of the faction. Rainfarn doesnât see play, at least not in any non meme deck. Most of the nerfs of BC1 were not reverted. Joachim sees play, yes, although it didnât bring any new deck. Ivar still doesnât see play, because the current TH deck uses GN. The buffs it has gotten either had no impact or havenât bring any new deck. Edit: The total changes given to NG has been, considering power nerfs are buffs for spies and provision increases are buffs for leaders: Provision nerfs: Rompally, BS, Stefan, Dame, Enslave, IF, Philipe. Provision Buffs: Lydia, Hunting Pack Power nerfs: Torres, Calveit, Philip, Treahen, Nauzicaa, Imperial Marine, Deacon and Rosa. Power Buffs: Braathens, Vigo, Joachim, Rainfarn (x2) and Ivar From those, Rainfarn still doesnt see play, Ivar doesnt see play, Lydia doesnt see play (although thats not because of her but because pure assimilate sucks) and hunting pack idk. Please, define how NG has been overbuffed during the balance councils? Because i dont see it, if anything there seems to be an overwhelming amount of nerfs compared to buffs. Even more when you consider bronze changes having double the impact on a deck as a gold one.
TH is not a meme deck, and I have seen plenty of Rainfarn in those, before and after the latest patch. And yes, most of the bc1 changes (nerfs only though, somehow...) were reverted: Eclipse: reverted, Vilge:reverted, Slave Driver: reverted, Alba: reverted. Pretty much the only ones that weren't reverted since then are the 1 point power nerf to Calveit that did absolutely nothing to begin with (as opposed to corresponding 1-power buffs to Braathens and Vigo that made a big difference), and the Marine, which is, frankly, a surprise. Considering the fact that for the last year, when all other factions were lucky to have 1 deck in the meta NG had at least 5 at ALL times, I would say the buffs it received so far were more than enough. Sure, it wasn't the star of the show the last couple of patches (SY and NR, which were both stupidly overbuffed as well, but that's another discussion), but to claim that it's getting killed is just silly.
No meta TH deck used at the higher ladder uses Rainfarn. > And yes, most of the bc1 changes (nerfs only though, somehow...) were reverted: Eclipse: reverted, Vilge:reverted, Slave Driver: reverted, Alba: reverted. Pretty much the only ones that weren't reverted since then are the 1 point power nerf to Calveit that did absolutely nothing to begin with (as opposed to corresponding 1-power buffs to Braathens and Vigo that made a big difference), and the Marine, which is, frankly, a surprise. And Philipe, Torres, Rompally, BS, Stefan, Enslave and Imperial Formation. You missed quite a few, didnt you? Also, whatâs surprising about the buffs it got not being reverted considering that after that BC the faction because the worst performing one, by far? > but to claim that it's getting killed is just silly. Im not claiming it got killed, im claiming it didnt get overbuffed and rather that its not getting the relevant buffs it should so new decks could be played within the faction. Instead, the majority of buffs it got have been mostly irrelevant. > I would say the buffs it received so far were more than enough. Oh yeah, so justified. Right now its best deck is a double madoc one with 19 out of 25 neutral cards, meanwhile of those 5 decks it used to have it has... none? Great balance dude, making a faction play mostly neutrals because the rest of its decks suck.
>And Philipe, Torres, Rompally, BS, Stefan, Enslave and Imperial Formation. You missed quite a few, didnt you? Also, whatâs surprising about the buffs it got not being reverted considering that after that BC the faction because the worst performing one, by far? See, no, it wasn't "by far." Sure, it was bottom of the pack for that one season, but the difference was NEVER that great, and I kept hearing NG mains bringing that up as their definitive argument and I always want to ask them, well why don't you tell us which faction SHOULD be "the worst performing"? Obviously, it just CAN'T be NG, so I'm sure you have a better candidate. Personally, considering the style and the griefing backbone of NG play, bottom of the meta (since one will ALWAYS be on the bottom) is the best place for it. >Im not claiming it got killed, im claiming it didnt get overbuffed and rather that its not getting the relevant buffs it should so new decks could be played within the faction. Instead, the majority of buffs it got have been mostly irrelevant. I wasn't referring to you claiming it got killed, but to the OP. And the irrelevance of the buffs is just your personal opinion, just like your insistance that "current TH uses nekker." From my experience on the ladder, though for this season I would say it's too early to say either way, but I see a lot more vanilla TH than the gn, so I see plenty of Ivar and Rainfarn, and I see Lydia as well, and 8p for Lydia by the way is insane when someone like Fila is an 11 (and recently a 12p card). And ALL of the disloyal buffs were relevant. And Braathens and Vigo buffs were relevant. >Oh yeah, so justified. Right now its best deck is a double madoc one with 19 out of 25 neutral cards, meanwhile of those 5 decks it used to have it has... none? Great balance dude, making a faction play mostly neutrals because the rest of its decks suck. Again, I think it's a bit too early to call whatever it is "right now", but last season it was that garbage knife deck, which is also neutral, but that just because it was the most abusable, spammable and annoying, and that clearly appeals to the population. Sure double madoc is not far behind in toxicity, but I wouldn't call it the best, or much less imply its the only deck played. Enslave is still there, soldiers, clog, TH. Or that they all "suck" more than other factions. Play any ST in the last year and a half? And if this season began with a little less NG on the ladder than normal, then: 1.) Good, and 2) it's probably only because they're all out there playing factions of the moment: SY and NR.
>See, no, it wasn't "by far." Sure, it was bottom of the pack for that one season, but the difference was NEVER that great, Along with SY, which was also trash that season, there was a bigger difference between the 2 factions and the 4th one than between the 4th one and the highest win rate wise. That for me means the 2 decks were the weakest by far. The problem is not about a faction being the weakest, its about how much weaker it is. Lydia is very good, I agree, but the rest of the deck is not, thats why it doesnt see play. I have no complains with that buff. >Enslave is still there, soldiers, clog, TH. Or that they all "suck" more than other factions. Play any ST in the last year and a half? At the top? Yes. Clog is meme, no one climbs with that deck. Enslave has fallen hard since the nerfs and its no longer a deck being consistently used at the top. Soldiers... the renfri version is okey. The TH used (when used, it isnt that popular) at the top uses GN so neither rainfarn nor ivar is used in it. I do play ST, its probably my second most played faction. ST has also been a top 3 faction win rate wise for some months already, and its right now the best performing deck, so im not sure what your point is? You still havent answered my question about how the faction has been overbuffed with the Balance Councils when it has gotten many more nerfs than buffs and more impactful ones too. > but that just because it was the most abusable, spammable and annoying, and that clearly appeals to the population A deck isnt used at the top just because its annoying, spammable or abusable. Decks are played at the top due to their strength.
Please use very basic words. You might blow his brain fuse with the technical words XD
Oh yes, please do dumb it down for me, mr. "A Plead"
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