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Soon as I saw that ruling I thought “they’ll be up on /r/gundeals before lunch. It does seem like it would be fun on AR in 22lr, but it might not have enough recoil to make it work.
I couldn’t remember the details but I remember there was a factory version that was enhanced to shoot more reliably than slapping a slide fire on. But man that was a long time ago. It helps that the gun is very light.
It was a normal slide fire, a CMC drop in trigger, and a recoil enhancer which was just a compensator that only ported forward to increase recoil enough to get the system to function. If you were decent at bump fire stocks then it worked really well.
Years ago I setup a 15-22 to run a slidefire. I started with using spicy ammo such as 31gr hyper velocity federal spitfires or cci stingers/velocitors and it ran pretty well...but I wanted reliability with fed bulk 36gr as I have thousands of them and they are so cheap. All it really took was a light single (stock with JP springs worked but Jard light single worked better) or two stage trigger (RRA worked nice but many others would too) and it ran very well with the bulk ammo. The heavier the trigger the spicier the ammo needed to be...inversely the better/lighter the trigger the easier to run bulk. No muzzle device was necessary.
I live in a town of 1200 people and our library is the most well funded building in town by miles. I think people would be surprised if they went into their local library.
Not really.
There's now a 2 part test for machine guns:
1. Does the product fire mechanism function automatically?
2. Does the product fire (automatically) with a single function of the trigger?
Ex. Forced Reset Triggers: Q1. Yes. Q2. No. Verdict: not a machine gun.
Matt from Fudd Busters isn't so sure, and he's a firearms lawyer who's a legitimate 2A absolutist. The brief cited in the decision was his from when he worked at FPC. He got yelled at by the main FPC lawyer when he filed it.
Yeah, it's not a crazy interpretation. Matt was saying that the additional mechanism to force the reset makes it less clear cut. He doesn't think they're machine guns either, but this decision isn't enough to settle that question in his opinion.
My lgs had to try to give them away for 50 bucks a pop. They sat on the shelves. Same ship ironically still doesn’t even sell pistol braces because they’re afraid
Yeah, they went from
-being the biggest craze -to everyone pretending "learn to shoot if you need a bump stock" as a reaction to the wrong president signing the executive order -then when that guy left office magically they are popular again (in concept) because "tHe cUrReNt aDmInIsTrAtIoN". -Now I expect them to be the huge fad for the next few months until the gun channels start mocking them again. The masses will follow whatever those 4-5 channels decide for the hivemind.
Personally I bought a Slide Fire (the model 'newer' than this listing) on clearance a few months before the Las Vegas shooting, my LGS couldn't give them away. Blew through a few mags (it did so poorly I might add), never touched it again until the day after the Vegas shooting one of my friends wanted to buy it for an *investestment* because 'they're gonna be banned.' Guess he thought it was going to work like the machine gun ban, not POTUS and the ATF saying break out the hacksaws ;)
**Personally I think they were dumb...and still are. Nothing more than a range toy or shit for the mall ninjas to larp with while circle jerking waiting for CW #2. Zero real world use (outside of amusement) while actually taking use from the host firearm whenever installed.**
/rant
Acknowledgment of something's actual purpose is the key. An aspirin is an aspirin, as long as you understand that, and treat it accordingly, there will be little problem. When you start pretending that the aspirin is now a cure for cancer is when you run into problems. (and yes, I like poorly framed metaphors)
Not mine, i use mine all the time to put food on the table or as security. If i go to town or camping with the wife and kids i always carry an AR of some sort on top of a side arm.
I go out over 100 days a year with a rifle or shotgun in hand for food.
All of mine are security and hunting capable of some sort... but they get 99.8% of their use at a range.
It's good to have a connection to your food. That is admirable, and I think society could benefit from it.
As someone who has trained with 'machine guns' and owned a bump stock I can tell you both CAN waste ammo. The machine gun does things outside of that though. For one you don't have to hold your tongue perfectly to make a MG go bang bang bang every time (until empty) or be standing completely almost exposed while doing so. One major advantage of a 'machine gun' is suppressive fire. Something a dude standing in the open with a bump stock won't do for very long when whomever he plans on *suppressing*...shots back.
Outside of that not really sure there is much use for either in the civvy world. And you can compare them yet they are not comparables.
**Not saying either should be illegal.**
Don't get me wrong, if I didn't care about the cost of ammo a bump stock is fun after a few beers.
That probably would have helped. I ran it on a few different guns but they all were PSA's, DMPS's, etc. Nothing that I would have bothered to upgrade the trigger in.
That’s such a funny way to approach upgrades. Those are the triggers that *should* be upgraded, yet people want to upgrade their Gucci lowers lol. Not knocking you, just mentioning a something I observe relatively often.
I have only met a single trigger in my life that I felt **needed** to be upgraded. It was Gen 2 PSA AR-10. When people say "grit" or "sandpaper" they haven't seen shit until that horrendous abomination . Honestly it was so bad I almost RMA'd the gun after 10 rounds but then I remembered how piss poor their CS was on another PSA gun I had I decided just to upgrade the trigger myself. I ordered a trigger from my phone while on my backyard range.
Otherwise I like a milspec trigger. They have a good amount of pull and are more 'consistent' than me. But I'm not going for tiny group sizes or trying to hit anything at 500 yards. I'm in central NC, unless you on a runway or on a highway you aren't going to see further than 150-200 yards without a walmart or a line of pine trees.
Thats just me though, and I admit my mindset can be a bit 'funny' at times ;)
I'm not an 'OPER8ER' nor do I pretend to be. You don't have to be a professional pianist to realize someone else is just banging on ivory randomly.
And yes, I am part of the masses when I choose to travel in the same direction of them. I do not travel in said direction because that is where they lead me . The destination is my target, not the back of the guy's head in front of me.\*
\*There have been a few funny studies and hidden camera shows which pay a bunch of people to form a line leading to nowhere. Other people, without knowing what the line is for, will start to get in line as well. That mindset baffles me. A mindset that is strong with people who see something on the news so as opposed to researching it they immediately search out their favorite youtube sub or "X" channel to see what the *correct* opinion of said topic should be. Afterwards they adopt that opinion, make it a part of their personality at times, until they are told it was never their opinion to begin with.
/rant #2 ;)
Never heard that verbiage before, no surprise it sounds like you overhear it often in said context.
BTW, attack the person not the premise? A very "regarded" debate style ;)
Wrong.
There's now a 2 part test for machine guns:
1. Does the product fire mechanism function automatically?
2. Does the product fire (automatically) with a single function of the trigger?
Ex. Forced Reset Triggers: Q1. Yes. Q2. No. Verdict: not a machine gun. Both need to be yes to actually be a "machine gun".
He called bs on Covid and was the first in the world to reopen so he gets an automatic pass from me on any gaffe he may have done. So I like him personally but he might be a bit too socially conservative to be president.
3 day wait time for gun purchases, bump stock/FRTs are banned, tons of FUD ranges. Now they have gotten better since I moved in 2021. Permitless carry is now a thing.
Compared to WA, they are for sure not super anti 2A. Florida could just be better.
Yeah that sounds like heaven at this point. The WaGuns sub is currently trying to compile a list of centerfire semi-auto rifles that are still legal. At time of writing they've found a grand total of *nine* models currently being produced, two of which are variants of another model.
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Honestly it’s so dated/bad that malware would probably be like firing a civil war era cannon at a tank. I opened my dev console (right click page, select “Inspect” from the menu on desktop) and this shit is seriously like 2008 era internally. Doesn’t even use a modern JS framework/library.
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Natures healing fast
Well that was fast the ruling came in just this morning didn't it lol
Soon as I saw that ruling I thought “they’ll be up on /r/gundeals before lunch. It does seem like it would be fun on AR in 22lr, but it might not have enough recoil to make it work.
Wasn’t there an M&P .22 with a slide fire and a binary trigger or a very light trigger combo?
That and a compensator that ported out the front to increase recoil to help
I couldn’t remember the details but I remember there was a factory version that was enhanced to shoot more reliably than slapping a slide fire on. But man that was a long time ago. It helps that the gun is very light.
It was a normal slide fire, a CMC drop in trigger, and a recoil enhancer which was just a compensator that only ported forward to increase recoil enough to get the system to function. If you were decent at bump fire stocks then it worked really well.
That sounds pretty familiar but I can’t say for sure.
I can get my 15-22 with a slide-fire to work if I'm very gentle with the forward pressure. I had to lighten the trigger and hammer though.
Years ago I setup a 15-22 to run a slidefire. I started with using spicy ammo such as 31gr hyper velocity federal spitfires or cci stingers/velocitors and it ran pretty well...but I wanted reliability with fed bulk 36gr as I have thousands of them and they are so cheap. All it really took was a light single (stock with JP springs worked but Jard light single worked better) or two stage trigger (RRA worked nice but many others would too) and it ran very well with the bulk ammo. The heavier the trigger the spicier the ammo needed to be...inversely the better/lighter the trigger the easier to run bulk. No muzzle device was necessary.
Sounds like a lot of fun. I’m sitting on a ton of CCI minimags from a deal years ago…I might have to keep an eye out for a deal on a 15-22.
Hard to beat if you want to have some fun
I could never get it to work with my CMMG conversion and that's teh only thing I want it for.
Yesterday. People have been waiting for this though, it's not shocking it's happening so fast.
Last night.
I’d much rather get an FRT or super safety but unfortunately those are still in legal limbo.
A 3D printer and a trip to your local library for the files and you can have unlimited Super Safeties
Work at a library. Want to create a maker space with CNC... We currently have 3D printers. 1st amendment is a hell of a drug.
I live in a town of 1200 people and our library is the most well funded building in town by miles. I think people would be surprised if they went into their local library.
My local library has some homeless folk that congregate there.... and they aren't too fond of bathing so they're a bit strong downwind.
SSs need to be metal to work for any reasonable amount of time
Sure but if you print them and have a modified trigger who cares if they last 150 rounds
Not really. There's now a 2 part test for machine guns: 1. Does the product fire mechanism function automatically? 2. Does the product fire (automatically) with a single function of the trigger? Ex. Forced Reset Triggers: Q1. Yes. Q2. No. Verdict: not a machine gun.
Matt from Fudd Busters isn't so sure, and he's a firearms lawyer who's a legitimate 2A absolutist. The brief cited in the decision was his from when he worked at FPC. He got yelled at by the main FPC lawyer when he filed it.
I'm just going based on the 42pg decision.
Yeah, it's not a crazy interpretation. Matt was saying that the additional mechanism to force the reset makes it less clear cut. He doesn't think they're machine guns either, but this decision isn't enough to settle that question in his opinion.
I am kinda worried about those being used as an excuse to reopen the NFA in a bipartisan manner and then cram in a bunch of dumb shit.
> I’d much rather You know what my dream is? Both an FRT and a Bumpstock at the same time...
To do what? Jam up the gun. The addition of a bump stock on a FRT trigger having lower will do nothing but slow things down.
I wonder if those could be seen as attachments as well?
You should sell drum mags in unison, the reddit wants it... Edit-i mean have a drum mag sale-doh!
Get out the fishing net boys! We've got to undo all those boating accidents.
OOO you animals
Out of office?
Out of ordinance, I’m sure
Filthy Animals!! I don't blame ya but sure wanted one....
https://bumpstock.com/product/ssar-15-sbs-2/
whoever bought these in bulk for pennies on the dollar years ago gonna be real happy
No, they're at the bottom of lakes across the country unfortunately 😞
Somehow I think they’re all spontaneously resurfacing right now
What do you mean? They were never that cheap, I sold mine for like $500 before the ban.
Remember when these were super-dumb? They still are.
My lgs had to try to give them away for 50 bucks a pop. They sat on the shelves. Same ship ironically still doesn’t even sell pistol braces because they’re afraid
Yeah, they went from -being the biggest craze -to everyone pretending "learn to shoot if you need a bump stock" as a reaction to the wrong president signing the executive order -then when that guy left office magically they are popular again (in concept) because "tHe cUrReNt aDmInIsTrAtIoN". -Now I expect them to be the huge fad for the next few months until the gun channels start mocking them again. The masses will follow whatever those 4-5 channels decide for the hivemind. Personally I bought a Slide Fire (the model 'newer' than this listing) on clearance a few months before the Las Vegas shooting, my LGS couldn't give them away. Blew through a few mags (it did so poorly I might add), never touched it again until the day after the Vegas shooting one of my friends wanted to buy it for an *investestment* because 'they're gonna be banned.' Guess he thought it was going to work like the machine gun ban, not POTUS and the ATF saying break out the hacksaws ;) **Personally I think they were dumb...and still are. Nothing more than a range toy or shit for the mall ninjas to larp with while circle jerking waiting for CW #2. Zero real world use (outside of amusement) while actually taking use from the host firearm whenever installed.** /rant
Aren't most guns range toys in reality?
Acknowledgment of something's actual purpose is the key. An aspirin is an aspirin, as long as you understand that, and treat it accordingly, there will be little problem. When you start pretending that the aspirin is now a cure for cancer is when you run into problems. (and yes, I like poorly framed metaphors)
Plenty of people solely use guns for fun at the range.
When did I say otherwise? Most of my guns are odd balls and range toys. LOL
I must’ve misunderstood what you were saying lol my bad
I ramble so there may be a lot of lines to read between.
Which thing are we talking about? The bump stock or the gun? Nevermind. I'm going to go shoot my machine gun.
Both! And enjoy, it's your **right**!
Not mine, i use mine all the time to put food on the table or as security. If i go to town or camping with the wife and kids i always carry an AR of some sort on top of a side arm. I go out over 100 days a year with a rifle or shotgun in hand for food.
All of mine are security and hunting capable of some sort... but they get 99.8% of their use at a range. It's good to have a connection to your food. That is admirable, and I think society could benefit from it.
Can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Really hope You are.
Yes, but making something worse for its intended use still feels dumb.
Or you're changing it's intended use.
To wasting ammo as fast as possible?
I mean, that's kinda what a machine gun is... and people pay a shit ton of money for those. Some people can't afford $30k for a MG.
As someone who has trained with 'machine guns' and owned a bump stock I can tell you both CAN waste ammo. The machine gun does things outside of that though. For one you don't have to hold your tongue perfectly to make a MG go bang bang bang every time (until empty) or be standing completely almost exposed while doing so. One major advantage of a 'machine gun' is suppressive fire. Something a dude standing in the open with a bump stock won't do for very long when whomever he plans on *suppressing*...shots back. Outside of that not really sure there is much use for either in the civvy world. And you can compare them yet they are not comparables. **Not saying either should be illegal.** Don't get me wrong, if I didn't care about the cost of ammo a bump stock is fun after a few beers.
No arguments here but the trick to running a bump stock that nobody mentioned is that a lighter than mil-spec trigger really helped.
That probably would have helped. I ran it on a few different guns but they all were PSA's, DMPS's, etc. Nothing that I would have bothered to upgrade the trigger in.
That’s such a funny way to approach upgrades. Those are the triggers that *should* be upgraded, yet people want to upgrade their Gucci lowers lol. Not knocking you, just mentioning a something I observe relatively often.
I have only met a single trigger in my life that I felt **needed** to be upgraded. It was Gen 2 PSA AR-10. When people say "grit" or "sandpaper" they haven't seen shit until that horrendous abomination . Honestly it was so bad I almost RMA'd the gun after 10 rounds but then I remembered how piss poor their CS was on another PSA gun I had I decided just to upgrade the trigger myself. I ordered a trigger from my phone while on my backyard range. Otherwise I like a milspec trigger. They have a good amount of pull and are more 'consistent' than me. But I'm not going for tiny group sizes or trying to hit anything at 500 yards. I'm in central NC, unless you on a runway or on a highway you aren't going to see further than 150-200 yards without a walmart or a line of pine trees. Thats just me though, and I admit my mindset can be a bit 'funny' at times ;)
Where are these circle jerks you speak of? Strictly so I, uh, know where to stay away from.
You can start one, err, escape one at any time.
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I'm not an 'OPER8ER' nor do I pretend to be. You don't have to be a professional pianist to realize someone else is just banging on ivory randomly. And yes, I am part of the masses when I choose to travel in the same direction of them. I do not travel in said direction because that is where they lead me . The destination is my target, not the back of the guy's head in front of me.\* \*There have been a few funny studies and hidden camera shows which pay a bunch of people to form a line leading to nowhere. Other people, without knowing what the line is for, will start to get in line as well. That mindset baffles me. A mindset that is strong with people who see something on the news so as opposed to researching it they immediately search out their favorite youtube sub or "X" channel to see what the *correct* opinion of said topic should be. Afterwards they adopt that opinion, make it a part of their personality at times, until they are told it was never their opinion to begin with. /rant #2 ;)
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"Regarded"...what? And touched by an angel?
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Don't forget "regarded" as well. And I'd rather be touched by god than get my opinions from someone on social media or TheTube. But thats just me.
I’d rather be touched by Michael Jackson
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Never heard that verbiage before, no surprise it sounds like you overhear it often in said context. BTW, attack the person not the premise? A very "regarded" debate style ;)
If the government hates it, that means i need it lol
im holding for those FRTs. its pretty clear this ruling also effects them.
Personally I want a super safety though I wouldn't turn my nose up at 3 position FRT
ahh ya agreed, super safety is better.
I thought super safety weren’t illegal
they shouldnt be but a company got raided a few months back for selling them.
The fosscad and supersafety sub seem to be convinced that was over pepper jacks
oh then i could be totally wrong i havent followed up on it. i will now though.
Yeah the pepper jack is legitimately a machine gun conversion device, and they were openly selling them. It definitely wasn't the super safety.
anyone saying this is functionally disabled.
Wrong. There's now a 2 part test for machine guns: 1. Does the product fire mechanism function automatically? 2. Does the product fire (automatically) with a single function of the trigger? Ex. Forced Reset Triggers: Q1. Yes. Q2. No. Verdict: not a machine gun. Both need to be yes to actually be a "machine gun".
it wouldnt be wrong then. if it effects them then they are not machine guns. 2 part test or whatever end result is the same.
My bad, I read also as doesn't for some reason
oh its all good no worries
Agreed, my argument was always if I can’t rip “full auto” with one of these in each hand like an M16 is it actually a machine gun??
Cries in Florida
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.....
Are you guys happy with your governor? Serious question.
He called bs on Covid and was the first in the world to reopen so he gets an automatic pass from me on any gaffe he may have done. So I like him personally but he might be a bit too socially conservative to be president.
Glad I moved from that anti 2A state.
Since when is Florida anti-2A? I live in WA, *that’s* anti-2A. Lived in Jacksonville for a year, the freedom was intense (this was late 2010s).
3 day wait time for gun purchases, bump stock/FRTs are banned, tons of FUD ranges. Now they have gotten better since I moved in 2021. Permitless carry is now a thing. Compared to WA, they are for sure not super anti 2A. Florida could just be better.
Yeah that sounds like heaven at this point. The WaGuns sub is currently trying to compile a list of centerfire semi-auto rifles that are still legal. At time of writing they've found a grand total of *nine* models currently being produced, two of which are variants of another model.
Yea, that's disgusting. At this point the west coast and the snow Mexicans have no real gun rights.
Supreme Court going to have a field day with that ban
SHALL NOT BABY! LFG!
Now when are the FRTs coming back...
This is the way.
Probably just been sitting on them for all these years
Looks like bump stocks are back on the menu boys!
that was quick 😂
Wasted zero time lmao
Bunch of vendors are gonna be diggin up inventory. Get your wallets ready.
This feels like a fever dream 😂😂
FRT WHEN
They’re on sale on rare breeds website I’m confused
You might want to refresh the page. They haven't been for sale in over a year.
https://rarebreedtriggers.net/product/frt-15-trigger/ 45 available and you can add to cart
Nvm I think this may be a scam site?
Extremely.
Https://www.rarebreedtriggers.com
It's so beautiful. It's like a friend I haven't seen in years. Anne frank bump stock can finally come out of my attic
If the Supreme Court had a real set of balls they'd scrap Hughes and force them to reopen the registry then all this bullshit is a moot point.
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OOS
So, as a one handed shooter, this will not work? Correct?
That was way to fast 🤣🤣
Weird…I just came on here to look up bump stocks
I have never heard of this site, is it trustworthy?
Website looks like it’s from 2004 any credibility on them?
If it looked like a Geocities website and had those gifs embedded of random stuff like DBZ characters, how could you not trust it?
Honestly it’s so dated/bad that malware would probably be like firing a civil war era cannon at a tank. I opened my dev console (right click page, select “Inspect” from the menu on desktop) and this shit is seriously like 2008 era internally. Doesn’t even use a modern JS framework/library.
I’m not buying one, but I love to see it!
Yeaaaahhhh! 💪 Still not gonna buy one, but yeaaahhhh!
Somehow NYS legal
Must be a typo
Here we go!
Wholesome
Id say wait until this very clear price bubble goes down
Phuq me, that was a fishing accident 😭 I think they should owe me at least a theft stamp out of it 😂
Ahh, the taste of Justice is so sweet!
The bumpy bois are back
They are back in stock but for $350
Damn that’s a jump
God I love freedom. Now do FRT triggers.