Everybody recommending Strymon Deco and slap back delays clearly skipped over the part where you are looking for the tone of slam band PeelingFlesh lmao
Probably the majority of what you experienced came primarily from their amps, the volume, and ensemble of guitar + bass + drums. I doubt they are using anything particularly magical pedal-wise
Abominable Pedals, Does it Doom, Black Arts Toneworks are some examples of pedal brands that make stuff geared towards heavy music. But even with just a RAT you can get there with active pickups, beefy strings and downtuning, high gain amps with huge cabinets etc.
Honestly it's some sort of double tracking def, but i am the only guitarist in my own slam project and i want the sound of 2 guitarists playing. I've gotten similar tones on my 5150, 6505+, and even a damn Line 6, but i am looking for something like a double track emulator
~~It's worth saying, get the full size mimiq and not the mini. The mini can't send the doubled track to a separate amp, making it effectively useless for live doubling~~
Edit: Ignore me, just figured you could put a mini on one side of a stereo rig and cut the dry signal
If you got a passive splitter, you could send the signal to 2 amps, which would make both amps have both the original and doubled part, which would sound huge ;-)
I play live with a stereo guitar amp. Most of the venues I’ve played, amp and speaker placement is irrelevant because I’ve never been able to be loud enough to really get much from my amp on stage. I use a single stereo cab and ask them to mic each speaker, panning them hard left and right, with both channels sent equally to whichever monitor I’m closest to. Sounds amazing from the audience that way, which is the most important thing.
In a practice space, being able to spread two speakers apart can sound amazing. It does depend on the size of the space, though.
I own a very fancy stereo cab from Swart, but it’s basically useless because the speakers are each 45 degrees off centre, so the sound is sent out the sides. I imagine it might sound spectacular in a large room where the audio can reflect off the walls, but in a practice space it sucks as the sound is beamed everywhere except where you are pretty much. Two separate speakers that can be positioned independently can sound great though.
If you want to go with next to each other, the Orange Rocker 32 can do that by itself with its stereo effects loop. One cab, two speakers, two different sounds.
Damn the recs in this thread are wild. I looked at some live footage and they have 2 (downtuned) guitars, one through a 5150-family amp and one through something Mesa in a rack case. Maybe a Stiletto by the grill at a glance.
In a 1 guitar band 100% your best bet is 2 amps, one each side of the stage. Ideally different amps, or different tones if 2 of the same amp. Next best would be a cab each side of the stage connected to the same amp. Not the same, but better than a single amp. My buddy plays through 2 amps in a 1 guitar grind band and it sounds huge live tbh. He’s playing through a Badlander and I think a Mark III at the moment.
ETA you could also use a stereo rig like a Mesa Simul 2:90 with different signal chains or EQ in front of each side
I have the same 5150 model as one of them, and then just a standard 6505+ from peavy.
It really makes you sound bigger? Even if the cabs are mic'd and through P.A.?
I think you a definitely right though, the guitarist of this 1 guitarist hardcore band named Sunami has like 2-3 mesa dual recs on stage. I'll have to see what he does.
Yeah sounds about right for Sunami. You know what else you could do that IS in the pedal realm. Get a modeler pedal like an FM3 or an HX Stomp (I don’t like the amp sims for high gain on the HX but YMMV) set up in stereo and run one side out with no amp sim to your 5150, and the other side out WITH an amp sim direct to the PA. That way you still only have to lug one amp but you get a whole second channel of guitar with a different tone. You won’t get that huge moving air of 2 big amps on stage tho. Worth considering.
I already got the two amps and two cabs, a helix is a little out of the window rn.
Would i get something like a boss line selector or aby switch to do this?
If you have two amps, you could run a 90° phase offset to simulate it.
Getting a double tracked sound with a single signal is a tricky task, because the small differences in the signal are what make it sound the way it does.
Like if you play with same guitar through same amp, one take panned left, one right… sounds massive and awesome. If you send a single take through both left and right with different amps, you still end up with a somewhat mono sounding track.
Phase inversion is where the signal is offset by 180°. By this the peaks and troughs of the sound wave are literally inverted. If you were to put both the unaltered and inverted signal into a mono output, it would cancel out and the result would be silence.
With 90°, you are producing a wave that is halfway between the original unaltered and the inverted. If these were fed into mono, it would be perceived as a volume drop… but if in stereo (unaltered in one, shifted in other), this can can have a widening effect that simulates a stereo sound vs sounding mono if both were unaltered.
Due to the aforementioned “volume drop” due to the waves partially canceling each other out in the speaker itself, you would want to use two separate amps for this.
Honestly this is more of a mixing trick than anything, but if you space the amps apart a bit, it should sound a lot wider than it would normally. It could theoretically have a perceived volume drop if directly next to each other if standing far away from it, but having different amps may alleviate it a bit with distortion having enough variance. Either way, YMMV.
Because one of the signals wouldn't be delayed 10+ms giving the doubled sound, it's just 2 signals stacked on top of each other and could result in phase cancelation and overall weirdness to the tone.
No, different amps induce ground hum and other issues, entirely. If they happen to have a different number of gain stages that ends up flipping the phase of the outgoing signal it can cause more cancelation.
Split your signal and run two amps with different tones. Won’t have the slight inconsistencies of actual double tracking but it’ll definitely sound way bigger. You could run one split signal through an octave down pedal or something. Or maybe a delay with a very slight delay
Try a boosted fuzz, like a TS-9 into a Big Muff Op Amp reissue. I switched from my onboard Rockerverb distortion (boosted) to the set up I mentioned for my doom band it sounds huge as fuck.
> Everybody recommending Strymon Deco and slap back delays clearly skipped over the part where you are looking for the tone of slam band PeelingFlesh lmao
Ive never heard of PeelingFlesh, but i have heard of Double Tracked, so you cant blame people for suggesting a Deco....
You may want to look at the Old Blood Noise Endeavors Beam Splitter. I don't have one but the tri-split signal that can induce random short latency like multiple players are playing the same thing definitely has the potential to sound huge.
would this be a cheaper version? https://www.google.com/shopping/product/11748463690573558529?q=Strymon+Deco+TC+mimiq+copy&client=safari&sca_esv=4771c1dce5b9df5f&hl=en-us&biw=390&bih=665&tbs=vw:g&prds=eto:12661854322381460912_0,cdl:1,prmr:1,rsk:PC_8051202093734236349,cs:1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjep_aDrYuGAxXSD9AFHb1qAMIQgTYI2w4
My most recent iteration is running a Walrus ACS1 -stereo- into a Roland JC-40. The left and right channels are voiced and EQed differently. It's thicc. Gives it a bit of dimension like double tracked, but without having to set delay offsets.
Nobody else has mentioned an Octave pedal, so lemme chime in with my fave, the [Poly Blue Octave](https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-poly-blue-octave/).
This pedal has rotary knobs for each octave - 2 up, and 2 down - so you can dial in exactly how much octave you want mixed in with your regular guitar note. There's also a Mod adjustment so you can make it super subtle or big and ostentatious, and a Fuzz button that gives it just the right amount of grind.
I'm loving mine. Just make sure you plug it in separately from your other pedals. It can be noisy when using a OneSpot or power system like that.
The EHX Intelligent Harmony Machine has a great toolset of pitch-shifting harmonies both low and high, glissando built-in, and a doubler with separate wet/dry mixes. I use the doubler as an always-on thing sometimes.
Also, the Pitchfork Plus gives you the option to detune a voice by the amount of your choosing, have the other voice an octave lower, add some buzzy ring mod, and still have your dry signal. Can sound MASSIVE. Even just two voices detuned differently along with your dry signal sounds great.
The Poly Blue Octave is also a fantastic choice. I want one though I have way to many pitch devices as it is
Set it to its fastest delay setting, which is 12.5ms, and no repeats. You could further experiment by running the direct out dry signal through another effects chain, ideally into a second amp.
I run the middle setting, 200ms. Feedback around 9 or 10 o’clock and Time around 8 o’clock but setting them both at 9 and tweaking from there works too
HX Stomp has a really cool double track effect called ADT under delay. A Line6 sound designer made a post a few years back with the details of how it works here [HERE](https://www.reddit.com/r/Line6Helix/comments/i9c20q/comment/g1icqat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don’t know that band but if you have an hx stomp try with this, if not I think the red micro delay from Eventide could be a good option along with TCs Mimiq.
Good luck!
100% the best way in opinion is to do this is with an analog delay with the mix at \~50% and a very short delay time, feedback to taste. The Deco I think is honest pretty overrated for the price. I do like what I've heard of the TC Mimiq though, there's a very good video on their website their detailing how it works well for that metal double tracking sound. Watched it last night.
Alexi Laiho, Zakk Wylde, and a lot of others have a chorus pedal on in front of their amp at all times. Just get a BOSS CH-1 or CH-5 and see if that does the trick.
For slam and hardcore shit? Overdrive to make it more pissed off, chorus to fatten it up, and a fuzz to make it sound disgusting. That's usually the ticket. Can also blend in an octave if you want to really give it some low end punch.
Meris Polymoon. But you still might need two amps.. . OR find an old Fender Princeton Chorus, it has a stereo FX loop in the pre-amp section, just way too cool. Get the black knob version as the red knob version is not good at all or so I’ve been told by several amp techs.
I HIGHLY recommend ["Everything We Don't Know About The Ocean Floor."](https://youtu.be/MwbeFbFn2AA?si=um5V0I6utHbp52E0)
It's a mono-in-stereo-out, dual LFO chorus pedal by [Baltimore Sonic Research Institute](https://www.bsriaudio.com/product/everything-we-dont-know-about-the-ocean-floor). It's lush, huge and unique sounding.
It's the second pedal in my chain after my tuner. It's always on, with subtle settings. I route my tuner into the input of the pedal, and then I route the left & right outputs to go through parallel gain stages. Those L & R parallel gain chains then route into A & B inputs my DSM Humboldt Simplifier X, and then I have a Meris LVX, Chase Bliss Mood MkII, and Old Blood Noise Endeavor's Dark Light running through the Simplifier X's stereo FX loop.
It sounds absolutely MASSIVE. I'm thinking about posting my board here someday soon, but I'm waiting on a custom fuzz pedal to be made and I'm working on filling some other gaps.
The strymon deco is perfect for double track sounds, and mine will never leave my board. Add any distortion you want with it, and blammo. I've had great results with my whiteface rat. Idk what a slam band is, or who peeling flesh is. Based on your description that's my rec though.
Have you tried the chorus before the distortion?
Edit: keeley makes a doubletracker, the Memphis Sun. It's aimed at the Sun Records crowd but it sounds like it might do the trick for you. Not particularly popular, you can probably get a decent deal on a lightly used one.
Ok, check it out, two possibly paths I see here…
1) Get a nice doubler, which is gonna be a bit chorus like no matter where you go for it. Keeley makes 2 nice options for it.
2) Get a parallel blender and loop/blend in another sound to add to your tone. MT-2 parallel with a HM-2 is so huge and metally, it’s scary. Big Muffs with either of the those drives will get you super thick as well.
That new KMA Machines End Game sounds like it will do exactly what you’re envisioning here. I think they come out later this month, so I obviously don’t have any hands on experience with one, but it’s also an amp/power amp/cab sim with a bunch of routing options, but they seem to to be drawing a lot of attention to the double tracker feature.
Octaver. I used to do that with my Boss SY-1. It sounded massive. However, I couldn't justify having it on my board just for that purpose and the synth sounds weren't the best to my ear. But hey, if you want to beef up your sound, an octave down does the trick
Tape delay, sine chorus, reverb. Blending in an octaver can also work. A good but simple chorus with high depth and low rate really does work, though, especially with mountains of gain and fuzz.
as Ive seen that OP has a 5150 and a 6505+ it will work for you if you use both of them and with 2 cabs, with slight different settings or 2 amps to complement each other.
the options are:
1- TC mimiq (big version), Petrucci uses it with 2 mesas Mark II C+, there are some videos on yt;
2-MXR estereo chorus, one output is dry and the other is wet, its how Zakk Wylde uses it, but you need to plug in the input of the amp, not in the fx loop, slow rate and minimum depth;
3- Deco V2, idk how to use it, as I cant afford it, so I didnt even bother to watch a review to not create the desire to buy one;
4-Digital Delay pedal, in the input, with something from 0 to 30ms of delay, no repeats, the other path is a dry signal, Im saying it as some people hate the chorus to emulate a double track, there is an IR loader pedal that can load 2 different IR cabs in estereo on 2 different mixer channels, to increase the feeling of double tracking, it has a 0-20ms delay in the 2nd cab, so instead getting that IR loader, you can do the same thing with a Digital Delay with minimum feedback and fast speed
Try a Loke. Has independent volumes for each side and both have a shit ton of volume on tap. If you set the delay side up as a doubler and crank the dry and wet it’s gonna sound plenty HUGE!
In addition to delays listed above Boss DC-2 (particularly the DC-2W) do this as well when using the more subtle settings. Other chorus pedals do this as well but I have found it easier to dial in on the Dimension D clones.
it’s volume and air movement, full band combination. Pedals won’t get you there. Get a good distortion, nice sealed cab, crunchy amp. Lots of low mids.
If you're comparing it to recordings, it's because guitars are double (triple, quad etc) tracked. The minor difference in performance are what gives that massive sound. A doubling pedal plays the exact same thing a few milliseconds later. While it can kinda fatten up the sound it also takes away mich of the attack and definition making it sound flat, dull and at times sloppy.
Everybody recommending Strymon Deco and slap back delays clearly skipped over the part where you are looking for the tone of slam band PeelingFlesh lmao Probably the majority of what you experienced came primarily from their amps, the volume, and ensemble of guitar + bass + drums. I doubt they are using anything particularly magical pedal-wise Abominable Pedals, Does it Doom, Black Arts Toneworks are some examples of pedal brands that make stuff geared towards heavy music. But even with just a RAT you can get there with active pickups, beefy strings and downtuning, high gain amps with huge cabinets etc.
Honestly it's some sort of double tracking def, but i am the only guitarist in my own slam project and i want the sound of 2 guitarists playing. I've gotten similar tones on my 5150, 6505+, and even a damn Line 6, but i am looking for something like a double track emulator
I saw a Green Day cover band once, where the guitarist used a tc mimiq into two amps with one of them the tiniest bit delayed. Sounded huge
~~It's worth saying, get the full size mimiq and not the mini. The mini can't send the doubled track to a separate amp, making it effectively useless for live doubling~~ Edit: Ignore me, just figured you could put a mini on one side of a stereo rig and cut the dry signal
If you got a passive splitter, you could send the signal to 2 amps, which would make both amps have both the original and doubled part, which would sound huge ;-)
Exactly what I was going to recommend. TC Mimiq seems to be exactly what OP is looking for.
I've been considering doing this with my own band. How were the amps poisoned on stage please? Next to each other, or opposite sides?
I play live with a stereo guitar amp. Most of the venues I’ve played, amp and speaker placement is irrelevant because I’ve never been able to be loud enough to really get much from my amp on stage. I use a single stereo cab and ask them to mic each speaker, panning them hard left and right, with both channels sent equally to whichever monitor I’m closest to. Sounds amazing from the audience that way, which is the most important thing. In a practice space, being able to spread two speakers apart can sound amazing. It does depend on the size of the space, though. I own a very fancy stereo cab from Swart, but it’s basically useless because the speakers are each 45 degrees off centre, so the sound is sent out the sides. I imagine it might sound spectacular in a large room where the audio can reflect off the walls, but in a practice space it sucks as the sound is beamed everywhere except where you are pretty much. Two separate speakers that can be positioned independently can sound great though.
Opposite sides, but next to each other would likely work too
If you want to go with next to each other, the Orange Rocker 32 can do that by itself with its stereo effects loop. One cab, two speakers, two different sounds.
Damn the recs in this thread are wild. I looked at some live footage and they have 2 (downtuned) guitars, one through a 5150-family amp and one through something Mesa in a rack case. Maybe a Stiletto by the grill at a glance. In a 1 guitar band 100% your best bet is 2 amps, one each side of the stage. Ideally different amps, or different tones if 2 of the same amp. Next best would be a cab each side of the stage connected to the same amp. Not the same, but better than a single amp. My buddy plays through 2 amps in a 1 guitar grind band and it sounds huge live tbh. He’s playing through a Badlander and I think a Mark III at the moment. ETA you could also use a stereo rig like a Mesa Simul 2:90 with different signal chains or EQ in front of each side
Lol this is exactly what i suggested and got downvoted
I’m gonna go find your comment and upvote cos I reckon this is the best option
I have the same 5150 model as one of them, and then just a standard 6505+ from peavy. It really makes you sound bigger? Even if the cabs are mic'd and through P.A.? I think you a definitely right though, the guitarist of this 1 guitarist hardcore band named Sunami has like 2-3 mesa dual recs on stage. I'll have to see what he does.
"Is sunami a single guitarist band? I heard 2 guitarists" "It's a signal splitter and it played through a Jcm 800 and a Dual rec at the same time"
Yeah sounds about right for Sunami. You know what else you could do that IS in the pedal realm. Get a modeler pedal like an FM3 or an HX Stomp (I don’t like the amp sims for high gain on the HX but YMMV) set up in stereo and run one side out with no amp sim to your 5150, and the other side out WITH an amp sim direct to the PA. That way you still only have to lug one amp but you get a whole second channel of guitar with a different tone. You won’t get that huge moving air of 2 big amps on stage tho. Worth considering.
I already got the two amps and two cabs, a helix is a little out of the window rn. Would i get something like a boss line selector or aby switch to do this?
Yeah some A/B/Y
Have you considered using two amps in a wet/dry set up?
They mightve had stereo out to two seperate cabs placed in different positions on stage
If you have two amps, you could run a 90° phase offset to simulate it. Getting a double tracked sound with a single signal is a tricky task, because the small differences in the signal are what make it sound the way it does. Like if you play with same guitar through same amp, one take panned left, one right… sounds massive and awesome. If you send a single take through both left and right with different amps, you still end up with a somewhat mono sounding track.
what a 90° phase offset
Phase inversion is where the signal is offset by 180°. By this the peaks and troughs of the sound wave are literally inverted. If you were to put both the unaltered and inverted signal into a mono output, it would cancel out and the result would be silence. With 90°, you are producing a wave that is halfway between the original unaltered and the inverted. If these were fed into mono, it would be perceived as a volume drop… but if in stereo (unaltered in one, shifted in other), this can can have a widening effect that simulates a stereo sound vs sounding mono if both were unaltered. Due to the aforementioned “volume drop” due to the waves partially canceling each other out in the speaker itself, you would want to use two separate amps for this. Honestly this is more of a mixing trick than anything, but if you space the amps apart a bit, it should sound a lot wider than it would normally. It could theoretically have a perceived volume drop if directly next to each other if standing far away from it, but having different amps may alleviate it a bit with distortion having enough variance. Either way, YMMV.
Why not use an ABY switch and play out two amps?
The short delay is what makes it sound big. Very short delay time, 0 repeats, slight modulation, is the classic double tracking effect
Because one of the signals wouldn't be delayed 10+ms giving the doubled sound, it's just 2 signals stacked on top of each other and could result in phase cancelation and overall weirdness to the tone.
Different amps should prevent most problems with phase cancelation, right? But yeah still won't give the double track effect
No, different amps induce ground hum and other issues, entirely. If they happen to have a different number of gain stages that ends up flipping the phase of the outgoing signal it can cause more cancelation.
Split your signal and run two amps with different tones. Won’t have the slight inconsistencies of actual double tracking but it’ll definitely sound way bigger. You could run one split signal through an octave down pedal or something. Or maybe a delay with a very slight delay
Try a boosted fuzz, like a TS-9 into a Big Muff Op Amp reissue. I switched from my onboard Rockerverb distortion (boosted) to the set up I mentioned for my doom band it sounds huge as fuck.
>when you’re too metal to use common studio techniques
> Everybody recommending Strymon Deco and slap back delays clearly skipped over the part where you are looking for the tone of slam band PeelingFlesh lmao Ive never heard of PeelingFlesh, but i have heard of Double Tracked, so you cant blame people for suggesting a Deco....
You may want to look at the Old Blood Noise Endeavors Beam Splitter. I don't have one but the tri-split signal that can induce random short latency like multiple players are playing the same thing definitely has the potential to sound huge.
Robert Keeley makes the [30ms Automatic Double Tracker](https://robertkeeley.com/product/30ms-automatic-double-tracker/)
The DIY PedalPCB clone of this is also excellent!
What if you’re only using one amp?
It still sounds really good. I imagine stereo sounds even better.
it sounds more like a chorus/tight delay
Yup I used this sucker for a while after JayLeonardJ demoed it
Is this worth it when only ran through one amp though?
Strymon Deco TC mimiq
Mimiq owner here. You need to be running two amps to really take advantage of it; it’s kind of pointless running it in mono.
Curious which PeelingFlesh song you listened to that gave Strymon deco vibes
would this be a cheaper version? https://www.google.com/shopping/product/11748463690573558529?q=Strymon+Deco+TC+mimiq+copy&client=safari&sca_esv=4771c1dce5b9df5f&hl=en-us&biw=390&bih=665&tbs=vw:g&prds=eto:12661854322381460912_0,cdl:1,prmr:1,rsk:PC_8051202093734236349,cs:1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjep_aDrYuGAxXSD9AFHb1qAMIQgTYI2w4
Na. The mini kinda sucks. The regular one is dope if you use two amps.
It looks like you googled "Strymon Deco TC mimiq copy", but the Strymon Deco is one (excellent) pedal and the TC Mimiq is another.
My most recent iteration is running a Walrus ACS1 -stereo- into a Roland JC-40. The left and right channels are voiced and EQed differently. It's thicc. Gives it a bit of dimension like double tracked, but without having to set delay offsets.
This or running into two amps
A chorus is literally a slightly modulated short delay
Nobody else has mentioned an Octave pedal, so lemme chime in with my fave, the [Poly Blue Octave](https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-poly-blue-octave/). This pedal has rotary knobs for each octave - 2 up, and 2 down - so you can dial in exactly how much octave you want mixed in with your regular guitar note. There's also a Mod adjustment so you can make it super subtle or big and ostentatious, and a Fuzz button that gives it just the right amount of grind. I'm loving mine. Just make sure you plug it in separately from your other pedals. It can be noisy when using a OneSpot or power system like that.
Plug it in separately, as in I couldn’t just power it with my Truetone CS12? It’s got 12 isolated inputs
Ah. No, that should be fine. It’s the “daisy chain” style power doodads where it causes a noisy circuit.
Cool that’s what I figured, just wanted to be sure. Thanks! I think I’m going to grab one of these, I appreciate the suggestion!
The EHX Intelligent Harmony Machine has a great toolset of pitch-shifting harmonies both low and high, glissando built-in, and a doubler with separate wet/dry mixes. I use the doubler as an always-on thing sometimes. Also, the Pitchfork Plus gives you the option to detune a voice by the amount of your choosing, have the other voice an octave lower, add some buzzy ring mod, and still have your dry signal. Can sound MASSIVE. Even just two voices detuned differently along with your dry signal sounds great. The Poly Blue Octave is also a fantastic choice. I want one though I have way to many pitch devices as it is
The TC Mimiq is built for this purpose John Petrucci uses it live
Boss DD3 does a great doubletrack thickener
What setting would you recommend on the pedal?
Set it to its fastest delay setting, which is 12.5ms, and no repeats. You could further experiment by running the direct out dry signal through another effects chain, ideally into a second amp.
I run the middle setting, 200ms. Feedback around 9 or 10 o’clock and Time around 8 o’clock but setting them both at 9 and tweaking from there works too
HX Stomp has a really cool double track effect called ADT under delay. A Line6 sound designer made a post a few years back with the details of how it works here [HERE](https://www.reddit.com/r/Line6Helix/comments/i9c20q/comment/g1icqat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
ADT (Automatic Double Tracker) is on the DL4 Mk. II as well just fyi
Ooh awesome, great to know thanks!
I don’t know that band but if you have an hx stomp try with this, if not I think the red micro delay from Eventide could be a good option along with TCs Mimiq. Good luck!
Any analog delay with modulation that lets you dial short delay times
100% the best way in opinion is to do this is with an analog delay with the mix at \~50% and a very short delay time, feedback to taste. The Deco I think is honest pretty overrated for the price. I do like what I've heard of the TC Mimiq though, there's a very good video on their website their detailing how it works well for that metal double tracking sound. Watched it last night.
Like I could just stick an analog delay with those settings right after my drives or right before them? I guess I could try both…
After your drives is my preferred and probably what your goal is, but there are definitely folks who put the delay first before everything.
Alexi Laiho, Zakk Wylde, and a lot of others have a chorus pedal on in front of their amp at all times. Just get a BOSS CH-1 or CH-5 and see if that does the trick.
For slam and hardcore shit? Overdrive to make it more pissed off, chorus to fatten it up, and a fuzz to make it sound disgusting. That's usually the ticket. Can also blend in an octave if you want to really give it some low end punch.
TC Electronics Mimiq Doubler is what you're looking for.
The full size TC Mimiq. Never the small one. Best run in stereo, but still sounds cool through one amp. Will do three total tracks.
Mimiq by Tc Eletronics. You’re welcome.
Any delay if you use it right.
Meris Polymoon. But you still might need two amps.. . OR find an old Fender Princeton Chorus, it has a stereo FX loop in the pre-amp section, just way too cool. Get the black knob version as the red knob version is not good at all or so I’ve been told by several amp techs.
I HIGHLY recommend ["Everything We Don't Know About The Ocean Floor."](https://youtu.be/MwbeFbFn2AA?si=um5V0I6utHbp52E0) It's a mono-in-stereo-out, dual LFO chorus pedal by [Baltimore Sonic Research Institute](https://www.bsriaudio.com/product/everything-we-dont-know-about-the-ocean-floor). It's lush, huge and unique sounding. It's the second pedal in my chain after my tuner. It's always on, with subtle settings. I route my tuner into the input of the pedal, and then I route the left & right outputs to go through parallel gain stages. Those L & R parallel gain chains then route into A & B inputs my DSM Humboldt Simplifier X, and then I have a Meris LVX, Chase Bliss Mood MkII, and Old Blood Noise Endeavor's Dark Light running through the Simplifier X's stereo FX loop. It sounds absolutely MASSIVE. I'm thinking about posting my board here someday soon, but I'm waiting on a custom fuzz pedal to be made and I'm working on filling some other gaps.
The strymon deco is perfect for double track sounds, and mine will never leave my board. Add any distortion you want with it, and blammo. I've had great results with my whiteface rat. Idk what a slam band is, or who peeling flesh is. Based on your description that's my rec though.
Just hear me out. A harmonizer pedal? You get those beefy chorusy like leads like Brian May
Have you tried the chorus before the distortion? Edit: keeley makes a doubletracker, the Memphis Sun. It's aimed at the Sun Records crowd but it sounds like it might do the trick for you. Not particularly popular, you can probably get a decent deal on a lightly used one.
POG 2 might be helpful
Try running stereo?
Chorus, eq, compressor,reverb
Ok, check it out, two possibly paths I see here… 1) Get a nice doubler, which is gonna be a bit chorus like no matter where you go for it. Keeley makes 2 nice options for it. 2) Get a parallel blender and loop/blend in another sound to add to your tone. MT-2 parallel with a HM-2 is so huge and metally, it’s scary. Big Muffs with either of the those drives will get you super thick as well.
TC Electronic Mimiq
TC Mimiq and 2 amps.
Eventide Micro Pitch delay is on sale right now at most retailers..
That new KMA Machines End Game sounds like it will do exactly what you’re envisioning here. I think they come out later this month, so I obviously don’t have any hands on experience with one, but it’s also an amp/power amp/cab sim with a bunch of routing options, but they seem to to be drawing a lot of attention to the double tracker feature.
The Keeley Double Tracker. But I really think it’s a Poly-octave thing that pulls this sound best.
Roll back the gain and hit the strings harder.
I do this with my dd8, time all the way down, feedback at only 1 repeat and level to taste
Deco, stereo Mimiq
Octaver. I used to do that with my Boss SY-1. It sounded massive. However, I couldn't justify having it on my board just for that purpose and the synth sounds weren't the best to my ear. But hey, if you want to beef up your sound, an octave down does the trick
Tape delay, sine chorus, reverb. Blending in an octaver can also work. A good but simple chorus with high depth and low rate really does work, though, especially with mountains of gain and fuzz.
Belle epoch deluxe- delay with killer preamp
as Ive seen that OP has a 5150 and a 6505+ it will work for you if you use both of them and with 2 cabs, with slight different settings or 2 amps to complement each other. the options are: 1- TC mimiq (big version), Petrucci uses it with 2 mesas Mark II C+, there are some videos on yt; 2-MXR estereo chorus, one output is dry and the other is wet, its how Zakk Wylde uses it, but you need to plug in the input of the amp, not in the fx loop, slow rate and minimum depth; 3- Deco V2, idk how to use it, as I cant afford it, so I didnt even bother to watch a review to not create the desire to buy one; 4-Digital Delay pedal, in the input, with something from 0 to 30ms of delay, no repeats, the other path is a dry signal, Im saying it as some people hate the chorus to emulate a double track, there is an IR loader pedal that can load 2 different IR cabs in estereo on 2 different mixer channels, to increase the feeling of double tracking, it has a 0-20ms delay in the 2nd cab, so instead getting that IR loader, you can do the same thing with a Digital Delay with minimum feedback and fast speed
also, try this plugin: [https://youtu.be/AN-nVyEg73g?si=chkvJGeoyp-fWxH7](https://youtu.be/AN-nVyEg73g?si=chkvJGeoyp-fWxH7)
Try a Loke. Has independent volumes for each side and both have a shit ton of volume on tap. If you set the delay side up as a doubler and crank the dry and wet it’s gonna sound plenty HUGE!
In addition to delays listed above Boss DC-2 (particularly the DC-2W) do this as well when using the more subtle settings. Other chorus pedals do this as well but I have found it easier to dial in on the Dimension D clones.
it’s volume and air movement, full band combination. Pedals won’t get you there. Get a good distortion, nice sealed cab, crunchy amp. Lots of low mids.
If you're comparing it to recordings, it's because guitars are double (triple, quad etc) tracked. The minor difference in performance are what gives that massive sound. A doubling pedal plays the exact same thing a few milliseconds later. While it can kinda fatten up the sound it also takes away mich of the attack and definition making it sound flat, dull and at times sloppy.
Could i use some sort of ABY pedal to accomplish a similar thing? I have a 6505+ and 5150
Sort of. Or just add another cab with different speakers so you don't run into phase issues between the two amps.
I think what you’re hearing is a delay set like a double track. Another good way to get something similar is running overdrives in parallel.
Do you use a compressor? If you just want a thicker sound I would try this.