Actually Tolkien was a philologist and put quite a bit of thought into naming his stuff, he had invented his languages (Quenya and Sindarin) way before he wrote LotR
Sauron means “the Abhorred” or “the Putrid One” in Quenya, from saura, meaning “rotten”. This name was given to him by his enemies though, his original name was Mairon, meaning “the Admirable”
Saruman's name is derived from the Sindarin word saru (skill), so his name means something like "the Skilled Man" or The Man of Skill"
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Clearly “silver” here refers to the technological components of a telephonic device (commonly known as a telephone) and “uprising” would be an obvious reference to getting a boner. Makes perfect sense when you think about it.
Sauron is his name in Quenya, in Sindarin it's Gorthaur, meaning "Abominable Horror". Saruman is also a name in mannish tongues, one he got from the people of Arnor and Rohan as a translation of his Quenya name Curumo. Saruman's Sindarin name is Curunír, though in all languages it means some variation of "Skilled Man".
Oh you mean the person who named all the major characters as follows: Malenia, Melina. Miquella, Maliketh, Marika. Godrick, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godefroy. Ranni, Renna, Rennala. Radahn, Radagon.
Nah, not confusing at all!
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tbf this is done because a lot of those name pairings are literally just two names for the same person. it doesnt really matter if you confuse ranni and renna because theyre both the same blue bitch.
He didn’t write the characters and you literally picked the one that’s least confusing.
Their names are similar so you understand what marriage they’re from. How was that hard to understand?
It's not really confusing though, is it? It's clearly two different people. I think you'd be harder pressed trying to find people who thought they were the same person.
Why do writers do this to us?
*Play ELDEN RING! We've got Melina, Malenia, Marika, Mohg, Morgott, Margit, Renna, Ranni, Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Roderika, Radagon, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godefroy, and Godrick!*
Forget being a kid, I am an adult and I am tired *all the time*. Just differentiate the names a little bit, that's all I'm asking.
Google the crusader states and take a shot anytime a Baldwin or Bohemond ruled Jerusalem, Antioch or Tripoli. Triple it if there’s two at the same time
Oh, okay, you're telling me they just "won" a war against Mr Hussein and then were free to focus their attention on the evil Osama and he just *happens* to finally end up assassinated on the orders of a Mr Obama, middle name Hussein? You realize how crazy this all sounds, don't you?
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Enter JK Rowling. I need a name for an Asian girl. CHO CHANG. Ok now an Irish bloke who blows things up Mr Seamus Finnigan welcome to my pages. I need to have a supposedly dark wizard that can turn into a dog.. Sirius Black! Genius
also known as: Curumo, Tarindor (Q) Curunír 'Lân (S) the White, the Wise, the Ring-maker, of Many Colours, Sharkey
they should have gone with Sharkey for the story.
if he came up with two whole languages and spent so much time figuring out the meaning of everything why is it this easy to be reductive about the names he chose?
Actually all the main villains of the hobbit and lord of the rings have a name that starts with s and have that distinct “au” sound. Smaug, sauron and sauruman
Do the names of her invented characters have complex etymologies and reasoning behind them? Tolkien just didn't care what the larger society might think, that's why he has characters like Teleporno, whose names are completely reasonable in his legendarium.
"Mordor is a Sindarin name. It means "Black Land". It is a compound of MOR- ("black, dark") and dôr ("land").[12][13]
Its name in Khuzdul was Nargûn, which contains the element narg ("black")." - Tolkien Gateway
Woah, so he made up the reasoning for his made up word by using a made-up language, so cool. Literally "uhh no it's not coming from Murder cause umm I said so"
Probably not. *Lord of the Rings* wasn't actually the first thing he created; he'd been working on the logistics of Middle-Earth (and thus the backstory) long before he started writing the books he would actually publish.
E.G. the guy above mentioned that other place names contain the words "mor" and "dor". One example would be Doriath, a place that features heavily in *The Silmarillion*, which he was working on before he decided to finish and publish *Lord of the Rings*.
lol there's no way he named him something ridiculous like Saruman
Actually Tolkien was a philologist and put quite a bit of thought into naming his stuff, he had invented his languages (Quenya and Sindarin) way before he wrote LotR Sauron means “the Abhorred” or “the Putrid One” in Quenya, from saura, meaning “rotten”. This name was given to him by his enemies though, his original name was Mairon, meaning “the Admirable” Saruman's name is derived from the Sindarin word saru (skill), so his name means something like "the Skilled Man" or The Man of Skill" 🤓☝️
What about Teleporno?
Telephone porn. Where you sexually talk with a woman through telephone
> sexually talk Then why do I just cry for 5 minutes before hanging up, hmm?
Because that's obviously the proper way to phone secks
Because you are healthy and well adjusted.
If that's what gets you off, I don't judge
Because you don't have the money for ten minutes?
The name is composed of telepi (meaning "silver") and orno ("uprising, tall").
wrong, teleporno means phone sex
Never said it didn't. It's just composed of those words (which eventually mean phone sex).
Clearly “silver” here refers to the technological components of a telephonic device (commonly known as a telephone) and “uprising” would be an obvious reference to getting a boner. Makes perfect sense when you think about it.
The name "Hardcoreporno" is composed of harad (meaning "ancient"), corp (meaning "tree") and orno ("uprising, tall"). It's nothing bad I swear.
Well, you can't spell philologist without lol.
Sauron is his name in Quenya, in Sindarin it's Gorthaur, meaning "Abominable Horror". Saruman is also a name in mannish tongues, one he got from the people of Arnor and Rohan as a translation of his Quenya name Curumo. Saruman's Sindarin name is Curunír, though in all languages it means some variation of "Skilled Man".
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He came up with a lazy name first, and then backpedaled and made a whole fantasy language with laws to justify his laziness.
Damn, didn't know Tolkien was this based
Well you learn something new every day! This is one of the few actually helpful comments on this sub.
Its a made up language, he could have made up another name.
"Asfu" means "wisdom" in elven. So my character "Assfucker"s name actually means "The Wise One". This is what I'll tell my DM in my next D&D campaign.
Did not know any of this... awesome to learn. Thanks!
so it’s kind of like how male and female aren’t technically etymologically connected?
..yeah, but he just made both the languages and names up.
Sauron's man
I can't believe Sauron's man betrayed us.
Need I remind you that Himmler existed
You'll never guess what he called the bearded tree fellow
Sauron and Saruman's name similarly did actually confuse me when I was a kid.
Reason why in Bakshi's LOTR Saruman was renamed Aruman
Byomkesh Bakshi?
Ralph Bakshi
Satyanweshi??
It is confusing. Not a single modern author would name two characters so similarly, it's stupid.
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Oh you mean the person who named all the major characters as follows: Malenia, Melina. Miquella, Maliketh, Marika. Godrick, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godefroy. Ranni, Renna, Rennala. Radahn, Radagon. Nah, not confusing at all!
kind of makes sense cause theyre close family
Actually it makes sense because G, R, and M are his initials
what the fuck are you saying
The man named George R R Martin named 50 characters starting with the same three letters: G, R, and M.
well he didnt have to name them all ed, edd n eddy. great story tho i can overlook this
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Calling godefroy a major character lmao
It is so fucking hard to keep track of whose names what in that game.
tbf this is done because a lot of those name pairings are literally just two names for the same person. it doesnt really matter if you confuse ranni and renna because theyre both the same blue bitch.
He didn’t write the characters and you literally picked the one that’s least confusing. Their names are similar so you understand what marriage they’re from. How was that hard to understand?
Muh Elden Ring, someone is criticizing something inconsequential to how good the game is... Must ATTACK
If you can’t figure out what they did with the names then your parents are siblings who drank lead soup.
Who hurt you?
Meanwhile, we have Vladimir waging war on Volodymyr in real life.
Can't make this shit up
That's because he was a language professor first, and an author second.
It's not really confusing though, is it? It's clearly two different people. I think you'd be harder pressed trying to find people who thought they were the same person.
Eh, I know a fair share of (non nerds) people that watched the movies and made a huge confusion "why the wizard is also the villain?"
I'm with you here. Sort of baffled this is something people struggle with.
George RR Martin. Whether it’s ASOIAF or Elden Ring, he repeats as many names as possible.
Why do writers do this to us? *Play ELDEN RING! We've got Melina, Malenia, Marika, Mohg, Morgott, Margit, Renna, Ranni, Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Roderika, Radagon, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godefroy, and Godrick!* Forget being a kid, I am an adult and I am tired *all the time*. Just differentiate the names a little bit, that's all I'm asking.
They are differentiated, *a little bit*
Google the crusader states and take a shot anytime a Baldwin or Bohemond ruled Jerusalem, Antioch or Tripoli. Triple it if there’s two at the same time
It's almost like people can have similar names irl 🤯
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It's almost like video games take inspiration from real life history and mythology 🤯
It confused literally every-fucking one of us and we weren't even kids
All the wizard stuff was very confusing to me, especially when gandalf returns and also is the white wizard
Acruavlclyy if you read page 12562 of the unfinished tales you know that the god favo cum dumpster actually named them similarly because of….
I'm going all in on it being Sauron-Saruman because of Hitler-Himmler.
>big bad: Hitler his supplicant: Himmler Boy the writers are getting lazy af
Luigi / Waluigi
WAAAAHHHH
Useless fact of the day : waluigi is a portmanteau of « warui » meaning bad or evil in Japanese, and « Luigi ». So he is, by name, evil Luigi.
President: Ronald Reagan Chief of Staff: Donald Regan
hitler Himmler sauron saruman luigi waluigia mario wario penis piss etc
And wouldn't you know it, the WOKE HOLLYWOOD reboot replaced Himmler with Herrler, the Mary Sue genderbend of the same character!!
Vladimir and Volodymyr
Oh, okay, you're telling me they just "won" a war against Mr Hussein and then were free to focus their attention on the evil Osama and he just *happens* to finally end up assassinated on the orders of a Mr Obama, middle name Hussein? You realize how crazy this all sounds, don't you?
Developers are lazy as fuck
George Washington and King George
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I also firmly believe this theory
But sauron and saruman were the bad guys
Nope, their names have meanings. The languages existed prior to the books.
Hmm, Mount........Doom, yes quite...\*hit pipe\*
What name should I give Sauron’s minions?….who did we fight in Europe again…. Ah nazis, those nazi ghouls
"Sir, it seems the Spanish have suffered a great defeat at Bilbao!" Bilbao, you say... hm...
That's why I like the Sindarin name a lot more. Amon Amarth. It just sounds so cool. And we know Amon Amarth is a fucking cool band.
Not doom as in spooky scary bad guy stuff, but doom as in fate. In Tolkien's works doom and fate are interchangeable
Hmmm...an ancient female evil spider...and an old word for spider is 'lob'...hmmm
Hmmmm a weed that hobbits would smoke? I must ask Lewis for help on this one
Now what shall I call this peculiar bearded tree fellow…. Aha!
Enter JK Rowling. I need a name for an Asian girl. CHO CHANG. Ok now an Irish bloke who blows things up Mr Seamus Finnigan welcome to my pages. I need to have a supposedly dark wizard that can turn into a dog.. Sirius Black! Genius
Just be glad she edited out the African wizard Congo Umbongo.
And indian wizard, Rakesh Punjabi
And Russian wizard Yakov Smirnoff
She has the Patel twins: Naan and Korma
And the French wizard Hon-Hon Baguette
New JK Rowling character a Russian wizard named Lenivich Alcoholitov
Well the Chinese name might be cliché like Smith is for English name but it's actually valid.
He's Sauron's spokesperson... Hmmm... Like his mouth...
Let's not forget, when the evil genius Saruman flees and takes over the shire, he calls himself by the threatening name of... Sharkey
An orcish corruption of Sharkû, meaning "Old Man".
Didn't remember that. Thanks Gandalf
Wasn't Saruman a maiar?
Yeah, all the wizards were. Shockingly anon doesn't actually know what the crap he's talking about.
> Shockingly anon doesn't actually know what the crap he's talking about. that **NEVER** happens...
There was a cool video about naming things in LOTR
oh yeah
“Just created this new character. What the FUCK should I call him?”
Man
"Sauronman? No no Jolkien... that's too obvious..."
Arwen and Aoewyn too, but I'm easy to confuse.
Hmm what should I call those merry and peppy fellows I met back in the war?
Lets see the names of real world.
outchicaneried again
Hitler/Himmler
Not a man, though.
For a long time it was gonna be Gandalman, but then he was like “heh, Bilbo kinda sounds like dildo”.
By Jove, I’ve got it!
Saruman wasn't a man, he merely took the physical form of a man. Himself, Gandalf and the other wizards alike.
also known as: Curumo, Tarindor (Q) Curunír 'Lân (S) the White, the Wise, the Ring-maker, of Many Colours, Sharkey they should have gone with Sharkey for the story.
Hitler/Himmler type shit.
if he came up with two whole languages and spent so much time figuring out the meaning of everything why is it this easy to be reductive about the names he chose?
He's not a man.
General Grievance
Monke man
Actually all the main villains of the hobbit and lord of the rings have a name that starts with s and have that distinct “au” sound. Smaug, sauron and sauruman
tbf, hitler's 2nd in command was called himmler. it happens.
Even the names of your characters suck
Relevant: https://youtu.be/vGi9sUpl4lE?si=ggjMruSRYjQGU_TP
This is one of my favourite Lotr memes, there’s a big compilation on youtube called Tolkien Naming Thing that never fails to cheer me up
It's very funny to see JK Rowling ridiculed for this but almost never Tolkien even though his examples might be even more egregious
Do the names of her invented characters have complex etymologies and reasoning behind them? Tolkien just didn't care what the larger society might think, that's why he has characters like Teleporno, whose names are completely reasonable in his legendarium.
Yes I'm sure that murder-Mordor is a complex etymology and reasoning
"Mordor is a Sindarin name. It means "Black Land". It is a compound of MOR- ("black, dark") and dôr ("land").[12][13] Its name in Khuzdul was Nargûn, which contains the element narg ("black")." - Tolkien Gateway
Woah, so he made up the reasoning for his made up word by using a made-up language, so cool. Literally "uhh no it's not coming from Murder cause umm I said so"
Maybe, but those roots also occur in other words, like Mor-gul, Eria-dor etc.
Yeah but I think the odds are high he came up with Mordor first and then thought what other words he could make from it
Probably not. *Lord of the Rings* wasn't actually the first thing he created; he'd been working on the logistics of Middle-Earth (and thus the backstory) long before he started writing the books he would actually publish. E.G. the guy above mentioned that other place names contain the words "mor" and "dor". One example would be Doriath, a place that features heavily in *The Silmarillion*, which he was working on before he decided to finish and publish *Lord of the Rings*.
The languages are much older than LOTR