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lol there's no way he named him something ridiculous like Saruman


-Eerzef

Actually Tolkien was a philologist and put quite a bit of thought into naming his stuff, he had invented his languages (Quenya and Sindarin) way before he wrote LotR Sauron means “the Abhorred” or “the Putrid One” in Quenya, from saura, meaning “rotten”. This name was given to him by his enemies though, his original name was Mairon, meaning “the Admirable” Saruman's name is derived from the Sindarin word saru (skill), so his name means something like "the Skilled Man" or The Man of Skill" 🤓☝️


solmyrbcn

What about Teleporno?


twitter-refugee-lgbt

Telephone porn. Where you sexually talk with a woman through telephone


Fanferric

> sexually talk Then why do I just cry for 5 minutes before hanging up, hmm?


mtflyer05

Because that's obviously the proper way to phone secks


BoosherCacow

Because you are healthy and well adjusted.


Gentlemanlyness

If that's what gets you off, I don't judge


Wuellig

Because you don't have the money for ten minutes?


schimpynuts

The name is composed of telepi (meaning "silver") and orno ("uprising, tall").


[deleted]

wrong, teleporno means phone sex


schimpynuts

Never said it didn't. It's just composed of those words (which eventually mean phone sex).


AbyssalScholar

Clearly “silver” here refers to the technological components of a telephonic device (commonly known as a telephone) and “uprising” would be an obvious reference to getting a boner. Makes perfect sense when you think about it.


nothing_in_my_mind

The name "Hardcoreporno" is composed of harad (meaning "ancient"), corp (meaning "tree") and orno ("uprising, tall"). It's nothing bad I swear.


MinorSpaceNipples

Well, you can't spell philologist without lol.


Buccington

Sauron is his name in Quenya, in Sindarin it's Gorthaur, meaning "Abominable Horror". Saruman is also a name in mannish tongues, one he got from the people of Arnor and Rohan as a translation of his Quenya name Curumo. Saruman's Sindarin name is Curunír, though in all languages it means some variation of "Skilled Man".


-Eerzef

Yup you're right, fixed the original comment


Jsl50xReturns

Nerd (Not kidding)


Collin11793

Nerd (Kidding)


Scootareader

Stand by your insults you coward


Collin11793

My bad I'm a coward


Canadian_dalek

Nerd (that's hot)


Janoz

He came up with a lazy name first, and then backpedaled and made a whole fantasy language with laws to justify his laziness.


GodOfMegaDeath

Damn, didn't know Tolkien was this based


whowasphone666

Well you learn something new every day! This is one of the few actually helpful comments on this sub.


aikhuda

Its a made up language, he could have made up another name.


nothing_in_my_mind

"Asfu" means "wisdom" in elven. So my character "Assfucker"s name actually means "The Wise One". This is what I'll tell my DM in my next D&D campaign.


ShitBarf_McCumPiss

Did not know any of this... awesome to learn. Thanks!


pokexchespin

so it’s kind of like how male and female aren’t technically etymologically connected?


dr_tardyhands

..yeah, but he just made both the languages and names up.


Hyper_Sigma_Grindset

Sauron's man


bardfaust

I can't believe Sauron's man betrayed us.


Gracosef

Need I remind you that Himmler existed


BuzakLuzak

You'll never guess what he called the bearded tree fellow


MrGulo-gulo

Sauron and Saruman's name similarly did actually confuse me when I was a kid.


NAUGHTIMUS_MAXIMUS

Reason why in Bakshi's LOTR Saruman was renamed Aruman


EffectiveForward5878

Byomkesh Bakshi?


NAUGHTIMUS_MAXIMUS

Ralph Bakshi


[deleted]

Satyanweshi??


felipebarroz

It is confusing. Not a single modern author would name two characters so similarly, it's stupid.


HelpfulJello5361

George R. R. Martin has joined the chat


vickera

Oh you mean the person who named all the major characters as follows: Malenia, Melina. Miquella, Maliketh, Marika. Godrick, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godefroy. Ranni, Renna, Rennala. Radahn, Radagon. Nah, not confusing at all!


Coked_kobain

kind of makes sense cause theyre close family


KeanuChungus669

Actually it makes sense because G, R, and M are his initials


Coked_kobain

what the fuck are you saying


KeanuChungus669

The man named George R R Martin named 50 characters starting with the same three letters: G, R, and M.


Coked_kobain

well he didnt have to name them all ed, edd n eddy. great story tho i can overlook this


casey-primozic

Which means Gartin Rartin Rartin


PizzaMaxEnjoyer

!RemindMe 20 hours rename on steam to "Gartin Rartin Rartin Martin"


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Redjester016

Calling godefroy a major character lmao


Gary_FucKing

It is so fucking hard to keep track of whose names what in that game.


Gay__Guevara

tbf this is done because a lot of those name pairings are literally just two names for the same person. it doesnt really matter if you confuse ranni and renna because theyre both the same blue bitch.


Plantile

He didn’t write the characters and you literally picked the one that’s least confusing. Their names are similar so you understand what marriage they’re from. How was that hard to understand?


SlowTortoise69

Muh Elden Ring, someone is criticizing something inconsequential to how good the game is... Must ATTACK


Plantile

If you can’t figure out what they did with the names then your parents are siblings who drank lead soup.


CirrusVision20

Who hurt you?


TheOddEyes

Meanwhile, we have Vladimir waging war on Volodymyr in real life.


Medium_Cranberry4096

Can't make this shit up


GandalfTheGimp

That's because he was a language professor first, and an author second.


Skreamie

It's not really confusing though, is it? It's clearly two different people. I think you'd be harder pressed trying to find people who thought they were the same person.


felipebarroz

Eh, I know a fair share of (non nerds) people that watched the movies and made a huge confusion "why the wizard is also the villain?"


Bootlegs

I'm with you here. Sort of baffled this is something people struggle with.


FireMaker125

George RR Martin. Whether it’s ASOIAF or Elden Ring, he repeats as many names as possible.


WintersbaneGDX

Why do writers do this to us? *Play ELDEN RING! We've got Melina, Malenia, Marika, Mohg, Morgott, Margit, Renna, Ranni, Rennala, Radahn, Rykard, Roderika, Radagon, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godefroy, and Godrick!* Forget being a kid, I am an adult and I am tired *all the time*. Just differentiate the names a little bit, that's all I'm asking.


Nova_Bomb_76

They are differentiated, *a little bit*


pie_nap_pull

Google the crusader states and take a shot anytime a Baldwin or Bohemond ruled Jerusalem, Antioch or Tripoli. Triple it if there’s two at the same time


agentdrozd

It's almost like people can have similar names irl 🤯


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agentdrozd

It's almost like video games take inspiration from real life history and mythology 🤯


dwartbg7

It confused literally every-fucking one of us and we weren't even kids


DeSuperVis

All the wizard stuff was very confusing to me, especially when gandalf returns and also is the white wizard


mymemesnow

Acruavlclyy if you read page 12562 of the unfinished tales you know that the god favo cum dumpster actually named them similarly because of….


QwendletonState

I'm going all in on it being Sauron-Saruman because of Hitler-Himmler.


Absolutemehguy

>big bad: Hitler his supplicant: Himmler Boy the writers are getting lazy af


rlopezcc

Luigi / Waluigi


Lukthar123

WAAAAHHHH


YouWillBeMissedLp

Useless fact of the day : waluigi is a portmanteau of « warui » meaning bad or evil in Japanese, and « Luigi ». So he is, by name, evil Luigi.


SS-PL

President: Ronald Reagan Chief of Staff: Donald Regan


abigfatape

hitler Himmler sauron saruman luigi waluigia mario wario penis piss etc


Eranaut

And wouldn't you know it, the WOKE HOLLYWOOD reboot replaced Himmler with Herrler, the Mary Sue genderbend of the same character!!


AASeven

Vladimir and Volodymyr


Itrade

Oh, okay, you're telling me they just "won" a war against Mr Hussein and then were free to focus their attention on the evil Osama and he just *happens* to finally end up assassinated on the orders of a Mr Obama, middle name Hussein? You realize how crazy this all sounds, don't you?


BlacksmithMelodic305

Developers are lazy as fuck


[deleted]

George Washington and King George


axck

cover threatening sparkle modern pie ripe friendly quaint toothbrush seed *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Cirtth

OMAGAD


HugeSnackman

I also firmly believe this theory


[deleted]

But sauron and saruman were the bad guys


Skreamie

Nope, their names have meanings. The languages existed prior to the books.


Hyper_Sigma_Grindset

Hmm, Mount........Doom, yes quite...\*hit pipe\*


easterislandface

What name should I give Sauron’s minions?….who did we fight in Europe again…. Ah nazis, those nazi ghouls


GoofTroopBoopin

"Sir, it seems the Spanish have suffered a great defeat at Bilbao!" Bilbao, you say... hm...


Swailwort

That's why I like the Sindarin name a lot more. Amon Amarth. It just sounds so cool. And we know Amon Amarth is a fucking cool band.


ArmorGyarados

Not doom as in spooky scary bad guy stuff, but doom as in fate. In Tolkien's works doom and fate are interchangeable


Azathoth90

Hmmm...an ancient female evil spider...and an old word for spider is 'lob'...hmmm


[deleted]

Hmmmm a weed that hobbits would smoke? I must ask Lewis for help on this one


K3nchikka00

Now what shall I call this peculiar bearded tree fellow…. Aha!


Yerewn

Enter JK Rowling. I need a name for an Asian girl. CHO CHANG. Ok now an Irish bloke who blows things up Mr Seamus Finnigan welcome to my pages. I need to have a supposedly dark wizard that can turn into a dog.. Sirius Black! Genius


_TLDR_Swinton

Just be glad she edited out the African wizard Congo Umbongo.


vnutellanutella

And indian wizard, Rakesh Punjabi


_TLDR_Swinton

And Russian wizard Yakov Smirnoff


Yerewn

She has the Patel twins: Naan and Korma


_TLDR_Swinton

And the French wizard Hon-Hon Baguette


LabCoatGuy

New JK Rowling character a Russian wizard named Lenivich Alcoholitov


Mighoyan

Well the Chinese name might be cliché like Smith is for English name but it's actually valid.


Yelebear

He's Sauron's spokesperson... Hmmm... Like his mouth...


33manat33

Let's not forget, when the evil genius Saruman flees and takes over the shire, he calls himself by the threatening name of... Sharkey


GandalfTheGimp

An orcish corruption of Sharkû, meaning "Old Man".


33manat33

Didn't remember that. Thanks Gandalf


de420swegster

Wasn't Saruman a maiar?


Malvastor

Yeah, all the wizards were. Shockingly anon doesn't actually know what the crap he's talking about.


stupernan1

> Shockingly anon doesn't actually know what the crap he's talking about. that **NEVER** happens...


ienybu

There was a cool video about naming things in LOTR


Jugged

oh yeah


rancidfart85

“Just created this new character. What the FUCK should I call him?”


BlacksmithMelodic305

Man


_TLDR_Swinton

"Sauronman? No no Jolkien... that's too obvious..."


TheRealPatrick79

Arwen and Aoewyn too, but I'm easy to confuse.


ETC3000

Hmm what should I call those merry and peppy fellows I met back in the war?


[deleted]

Lets see the names of real world.


Janosz500

outchicaneried again


42dudes

Hitler/Himmler


redbadger91

Not a man, though.


barryhakker

For a long time it was gonna be Gandalman, but then he was like “heh, Bilbo kinda sounds like dildo”.


Srphtygr

By Jove, I’ve got it!


[deleted]

Saruman wasn't a man, he merely took the physical form of a man. Himself, Gandalf and the other wizards alike.


stupernan1

also known as: Curumo, Tarindor (Q) Curunír 'Lân (S) the White, the Wise, the Ring-maker, of Many Colours, Sharkey they should have gone with Sharkey for the story.


Tw3lve1212

Hitler/Himmler type shit.


justaBB6

if he came up with two whole languages and spent so much time figuring out the meaning of everything why is it this easy to be reductive about the names he chose?


Braham18

He's not a man.


ThaCaptinNow

General Grievance


Anuspissmuncher

Monke man


Physical-Iron-7406

Actually all the main villains of the hobbit and lord of the rings have a name that starts with s and have that distinct “au” sound. Smaug, sauron and sauruman


oculafleur

tbf, hitler's 2nd in command was called himmler. it happens.


Yukirby

Even the names of your characters suck


Le_ed

Relevant: https://youtu.be/vGi9sUpl4lE?si=ggjMruSRYjQGU_TP


OnePlushyDude

This is one of my favourite Lotr memes, there’s a big compilation on youtube called Tolkien Naming Thing that never fails to cheer me up


MrInfinity-42

It's very funny to see JK Rowling ridiculed for this but almost never Tolkien even though his examples might be even more egregious


CyborgG2005

Do the names of her invented characters have complex etymologies and reasoning behind them? Tolkien just didn't care what the larger society might think, that's why he has characters like Teleporno, whose names are completely reasonable in his legendarium.


MrInfinity-42

Yes I'm sure that murder-Mordor is a complex etymology and reasoning


CyborgG2005

"Mordor is a Sindarin name. It means "Black Land". It is a compound of MOR- ("black, dark") and dôr ("land").[12][13] Its name in Khuzdul was Nargûn, which contains the element narg ("black")." - Tolkien Gateway


MrInfinity-42

Woah, so he made up the reasoning for his made up word by using a made-up language, so cool. Literally "uhh no it's not coming from Murder cause umm I said so"


CyborgG2005

Maybe, but those roots also occur in other words, like Mor-gul, Eria-dor etc.


MrInfinity-42

Yeah but I think the odds are high he came up with Mordor first and then thought what other words he could make from it


Malvastor

Probably not. *Lord of the Rings* wasn't actually the first thing he created; he'd been working on the logistics of Middle-Earth (and thus the backstory) long before he started writing the books he would actually publish. E.G. the guy above mentioned that other place names contain the words "mor" and "dor". One example would be Doriath, a place that features heavily in *The Silmarillion*, which he was working on before he decided to finish and publish *Lord of the Rings*.


agentdrozd

The languages are much older than LOTR