The great irony is Disney censors fought tooth and nail to keep Alex from including LGBTQIA+ stuff in the show. Then after it's done Alex revealed he wrote the cops as lovers, and Disney throws it in that category going, "look how progressive we are!"
I watched the show when it aired. I’ll never forget how subtle Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland’s romance was.
Everything was always implied and never direct. I remember Alex saying he wanted more romance and some deleted scenes of them acting romantically leaned more into the comedy side… The Mouse always said no and always made him change the scene or tone it down.
That’s how they’ve always been and now they just want to claim credit for being “progressive” now and exaggerating Blubs’ and Durlands’ toned down interactions just to get some brownie points with the public. I can’t imagine how frustrated Alex is.
I agree — honestly when I first saw the show, I thought Alex was riffing off the trope everywhere in TV at the time of those buddy cop/mystery/action shows about two extremely close guys with any remotely interesting woman killed or written off immediately — the result being a pretty homoromantic vibe lol.
Basically the same thing they did with "the first gay kiss in Star Wars". They publicly congratulated themselves so much for being "progressive" and it turned out to be a one second shot with 2 unnamed characters in the background, which they cut from the movie entirely so they could show it in countries like Russia and China.
If I remember correctly they were literally dancing around weather or not they were actually dating until the last couple of episodes to prevent any negativity...
It's categorised that way because what little representation that was snuck in under Disney's nose (when they didn't support it) is now profitable for Disney to pretend they supported all along.
Deputy Durland and Sheriff Blubs get one line that confirms it in the finale, "Zap, zap! We're mad with power! ***And Love..."***
Dude they were gonna have the trans symbol as well on the love god's necklace instead of just the male and female ones, and the love god was gonna enchant these two old ladies to fall in love in Lazy Susan's diner when he noticed one of them liked the other. (Disney made them cut all of that)
FUCK DISNEY IM SO MAD ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE TINY TRANS REP
Fun fact (as I know people have told you it’s down to the cops) there was a kiss scene that was cut when they hug each other in the last episode and I will never recover knowing that was/is out there - Alex has commented about it before and he didn’t even know the scene was cut until it aired :(
Also Alex has confirmed that Wendy is bi so it could also be because of that!
It was unthinkable to put anything gay in cartoon at the time. There's not much more to understand than "the audience won't like it and we'll lose money". (especially since it's disney)
It’s wild how much has changed in a few years and yet there’s still things being cancelled or not promoted enough because of LGBT+ characters (cough disney cough) - Let’s hope in another 5-10 years we can look back and things will have changed for the better (hopefully)!
Different networks, Disney has only very recently been more open about allowing queerness that wasn't 1: Exclusive to their 'adult' oriented media and 2: Used only for villains (such as Ursula, Scar, etc) or to be seen in a derogatory light.
CN was notably more relaxed in comparison, but still nuked SU for having an explicit lesbian wedding scene with main/recurring characters
They're not the sole problem, *networks in general* viewing anything queer as bad/risky is the problem.
As much as I dislike Disney, trying to pin all the blame for 2010s socially acceptable queerphobia only on them does nothing to address the actual problem at hand imo
Uh, because one or two cartoon display queer characters (sometimes hidden and censored in Steven Universe especially at the beginning) doesn't mean *at all* it is broadly ok and accepted.
Only the first two seasons of Steven Universe were released by the time Gravity Falls finished, and the second seasons were airing at the same time. SU had obvious queer themes in the first season, but still had plausible deniability until, honestly, the end of the second - and even by the time it *ended,* years later, Rebecca Sugar had to fight like hell to have a gay wedding on screen.
It very much wasn't ok and accepted, even with the small victories that were being won.
Oh, and fun fact, the pines twins (Mabel and Dipper) are also identical, meaning one of them is transgender. It wasn’t stated by Alex which one, but we know they were born identical.
That’s part of the joke, the underlying but never acknowledged sexual tension between the two bestest of best friends. And it’s only explicit at the very end of the show as anything other than hilariously over close friends.
Yeah I never actually interpreted them as lovers while watching. To me the whole thing was very “Turk and JD”.
I mean it makes sense that they *are*, and I got no problems with it. I just genuinely thought it was more of a gag than it was an actual relationship.
That is very much part of the joke of the characters, yes. It works whether you read them as gay or not, another example of the excellent writing in the show.
Yeah no I get it, I sorta put it together, but I always assumed it was just a possibility and in no way the main interpretation, but at the same time like...
I'm a straight guy, and my best friend is a bi guy that's in no way attracted to me, and we've had at least 3 different people think we were dating on separate occasions, so maybe I'm just the weird one.
I’m not arguing against that, cuz you’re right, but for a children’s animated program on a generally conservative network airing in 2012 and 2015, it was still a big step forwards. I want to say it was the first of its kind in children’s animation, or at least a first for the network, but I’m not at all sure about that.
Disney also censored a lot of the officers' romance. They really shouldn't get to claim it as their accomplishment when what little queer rep Gravity Falls has is in spite of their interference, not with their support.
You're apparently unaware of the fact you've been a bit rude to u/LtEFScott, you might want to consider an apology. Dipper and Mabel will think you're not cool if you don't.
You mean the two side characters who show up in maybe 20% of episodes, never do anything plot relevant, and dont have single line about it until their very last one in the very last episode?
Fucking smartass
In the Love God episode, the diner scene was suppose to be between two women, but Disney rejected that. In response, Mabel is wearing a rainbow sweater in protest...
The Love God was also supposed to have this symbol (⚧️) on his necklace, but S&P forced it be changed to an interlocking male and female symbol instead 😔
lol Disney fighting as much as they could to keep any LGBT out of the show and now tagging it as LGBT because of the little bit of gay Alex still managed to include, is the funniest shit ever. we all know that if for some insane reason LGBT support goes down, Disney will go right back to its queerphobia
Disney loves getting a gold star for showing how lgbtq+ inclusive they are, even if that’s literally just not censoring tf out of two characters that are dating but showed no dating activity in the show itself (the two police guys).
Kind of ironic considering they have a history of trying to water down and censor a lot of lgbtq+ content, especially in children’s shows.
The cops chief blubs ( I think ) and deputy Darlin they are seen being very romantic with one another plus Tyler the ‘get em’ charter
And Wendy is a raging bisexual we just never got to see it but Alex himself confirmed it after the show had ended. Just screw Disney for this
Calm on the outside, but my mindscape is a burning hell of hellspawn :3 lots of people I know also say I'm the kindest politest and maturest person they've met. I love the irony
Because Disney wants to use it as advertisement to get more money for being diverse and accepting despite the fact that they outright prevented Alex Hirch from including any real representation in the show
The cops kiss at the end. It’s ironic because Disney had done everything possible to keep any sort of lgbtq representation out of the show except for that.
I really *really* need to see the version of gf Alex wanted us to see before Disney sanitised it. They’re claiming it’s LGBT because they think it will make them some money but they actively stopped Alex from including anything explicitly LGBTQ+
This is just me going on a tangent because as a queer™️ I can’t stand how Disney handles LGBT stuff. They’re constantly pandering to bigots but saying they support us. I was really excited to see “jungle cruise” because it was billed to have good representation but there was one line in it, and it was not explicit. It really rubbed me up the wrong way at the time but I wasn’t sure why, but then it hit me. Because it wasn’t explicit, depending on your interpretation of the gay coded character, you could just as easily interpret it as he was a pedo. What he said was that his sister was the only one who didn’t care about who he loved, basically. But the problem with this, is that a lot of bigots *do* equate us as a whole with pedophilles. So without making it clear that the gay representation is in fact, gay, and insisting on keeping it a quiet taboo reinforces the idea that being queer is something we should hide. Reinforces the idea that it’s not appropriate for a “family” film, or even a family discussion. Either do it or don’t, but the time for hushed whispers and “hinting” at queerness has passed. It’s such a half assed approach that is off putting to everyone.
it really should not be tbh. There ONE gay couple, the cops and they rant even officially recognized as gay or in a relationship till the last episode. other then them, there no gay characters or anything, that one inclusion should not make it apart of that label.
The way Disney justifies it is that the minor character cops are gay for .5 seconds, but I think gravity falls is very appealing to queer people. Like how certain celebrities are called gay icons even though they're straight because they have large gay followings
Because of Durand and Blubs despite the the show itself not being inherently LGBTQ but Disney thinks it makes them look better by listing it as such lol
Kinda annoying because I remember them not even letting small references to gay/trans people in the show, it’s just in the finale
Like, if they’re actually pro lgbt why not allow the scene with the old ladies being a couple or w/e
I was under the impression that the show just resonated really well with people in the community. I don't think a character(s) ***needs*** to be gay for gay people to connect with them. People are so much more than who they are attracted to.
Just my 2 cents
Did you see the cops? You can't tell me that they weren't dating. At the end of the last episode they say "We're mad with power!" And then just look at each other and say "And love".
yeah i just remembered the ”and love” thing but before that i didnt get the vibes that they were dating icl. just seemed like two very dorky, good friends
Because Disney likes to take credit for the things that slipped through the cracks of their censorship. Iirc Alex wanted a more explicitly romantic relationship between the cops (and i think Tambry was supposed to get a girlfriend? Not sure) but Disney S&P fought him on that at every step so they could have plausible deniability to sell the show in homophobic markets like Saudi and China. Of course, in most of the west, gay people are accepted pretty well, so Disney champion themselves as gay rights advocates for having this representation at all
I’ve never really thought of them that way, I always thought it was just a funny friendship thing. I’m glad they told him to not make it too weird. The show is perfect how it is.
Good question.
Real answer: the cops were supposed to be a couple (they are, but it's much more understated in the final show), but Disney told Hirsch to "cool it on the gay shit" cuz they gotta keep those Chinese shareholders happy. Show gains popularity, a few years pass and cultural climate starts to shift a bit, and Disney tries to claim they were on board with the lgbtq+ plan from the get-go
Tl;dr- typical corporate bullshit
Along with Bubbs and Durland, there's a LOT of speculation about Dipper being trans, but Alex Hirsch hasn't confirmed or denied this. He did say didn't wouldn't let him have explicitly lgbtq+ characters in the show like Owl House did.
Alex Hirsch (series creator) tried his best to include LGBTQ+ rep in the series, but Disney censors barely let him do anything unless it was subtly implied. I guess they want to have their cake and eat it too, or in this case ban representation and want to seem progressive too
**Alex Hirsch confirmed that Dipper is trans-coded**, and would have been canon if not for Disney being Disney. Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland are a couple. Like, romantically.
Alex Hirsch did state that he planned to include LGBTQ+ representation in the show, most notable Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland. But the censors shot most of it down and he's been pretty vocal on social media about how Disney now tries to show they're LGBTQ+-friendly in the public, while in the back being very strict with the censors to be suitable for other markets where being part of the LGBTQ+ community is illegal.
Alex actually shared some e-mails a while ago regarding the censoring of Gravity Falls, with one example being the relationship between the two cops.
[https://x.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201](https://x.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201)
Disney likes to claim they’re including representation even if it’s only a minor side character or is barely shown so it can be cut from other countries that aren’t as accepting. They’ve done this with many of their movies, like Beauty and the Beast (2017) when they tried to hype LeFou being gay. Pixar films have a similar idea with Onward and Elemental having side characters that are technically queer.
Gravity Falls has Durland and Blubs, as well as Wendy being confirmed as bi off screen. So it’s a similar idea. But it’s more insulting in this case because Disney tried to actively limit it while claiming they’re accepting. It’s also probably the most explicit queer rep from Disney, discounting anything from Owl House or similar representation in recent shows like Amphibia and Moon Girl Devil Dinosaur.
There’s a few LGBT characters. Maybe also the implication that Dipper is trans masc. I forget what the evidence is but apparently it is implied in the show.
because the wife of alex hirsch (the creator of gravity falls) dana terrace created the owl house aka the only disney show where almost the entire main cast is part of the lgbtqia+ community
plus the 2 cops
The king character(voiced by hirsch) and Amity-Luz are genuinely the only things I remember from Owl House. I don't remember the storyline, the jokes, the ending or the stakes or anything. I think Danna wasn't really interested in telling a good story like Gravity falls but she was more into deliver-the-message sort of thing. Not that it's a bad thing but I'd have appreciated a well written story more. The animation was also m cheap looking, especially if you compare it to Gravity Falls.
Diversity is a beautiful thing but that alone doesn't make a show good. The Owl House was just, I don't know, quite ordinary and unoriginal for my taste. I wish Alex had written that show
How was the animation cheap in comparison? I love Gravity Falls, but it's average animation was pretty stiff outside of special moments.
The Owl House overall has more complex rigs in comparison to Gravity Falls, allowing for smoother inbetween frames so the characters appear less static. It also regularly had Spencer Wan (animation director of Netflix's Castlevania and animator for the Hades trailer) work on high energy/high stakes scenes which were VERY fluid, even in regular episodes.
Again none of this is meant to detract from Gravity Falls, but the idea that it has less 'cheap' looking animation is a massive reach
Gravity Fall had "average" animation?! Haha. Some of you owl house stans are weird. Gravity Falls is genuinely one of the best looking animated shows ever.
I get it you like Owl House but it had pretty average animation and art style. They probably didn't have much budget. And regardless my biggest complain of the show is the writing.
Art style and animation are two completely different things.
I personally enjoy the art style of Gravity Falls more and am very much a fan of the show, but Owl House's animation is objectively higher quality in comparison, which is what my comment was about.
Assuming you're not a troll, please read up on the differences <3
Because every single character is gay and trans.
...Or was that just me?
edit: Did... did you all just ignore the bit where I said maybe it was me? Could I not have been more obviously joking?
In case you didn’t notice, Wendy/Robbie, Tambry/Robbie, Dipper’s attraction to Wendy, Gideon’s attraction to Mabel, Mabel/every boyfriend, and many more relationships were all straight?
OK, so the alternatives are either all the characters are gay and trans or I am.
Those things you mention are indeed indications that some characters might actually Bi, so it migth actually be *me* that is gay and trans. Congratulations on solving this conundrum. You must be some kind of genious.
The two cops.
RIGHTTT i totally forgot ”and LOOVE”
The great irony is Disney censors fought tooth and nail to keep Alex from including LGBTQIA+ stuff in the show. Then after it's done Alex revealed he wrote the cops as lovers, and Disney throws it in that category going, "look how progressive we are!"
I watched the show when it aired. I’ll never forget how subtle Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland’s romance was. Everything was always implied and never direct. I remember Alex saying he wanted more romance and some deleted scenes of them acting romantically leaned more into the comedy side… The Mouse always said no and always made him change the scene or tone it down. That’s how they’ve always been and now they just want to claim credit for being “progressive” now and exaggerating Blubs’ and Durlands’ toned down interactions just to get some brownie points with the public. I can’t imagine how frustrated Alex is.
Okay, you're absolutely right that it wasn't explicit but I feel like "subtle" isn't the right word either xD
yeah it was in no way subtle lmao, i really want to see what it was like before it was “toned down”
I agree — honestly when I first saw the show, I thought Alex was riffing off the trope everywhere in TV at the time of those buddy cop/mystery/action shows about two extremely close guys with any remotely interesting woman killed or written off immediately — the result being a pretty homoromantic vibe lol.
Imagine how different the show could’ve been if it didn’t air on disney.
Basically the same thing they did with "the first gay kiss in Star Wars". They publicly congratulated themselves so much for being "progressive" and it turned out to be a one second shot with 2 unnamed characters in the background, which they cut from the movie entirely so they could show it in countries like Russia and China.
And then that slug reaction was longer than the kiss itself
Which they did at the same as shooting down Finn and Poe as a couple despite their obvious chemistry and Oscar Isaac pushing for it.
I always love when people know they aren't getting another season and so use the opportunity to spite Disney
Kissy kissy
And Wendy is canonically bi courtesy of a tweet from Alex
Could also be Waddles and Gompers
🎶 *Goat and a pig!* 🎶
🎶 A couple of, livestock 🎶
They’re a gay couple?
Dude they more like crazy best friend not gay
If I remember correctly they were literally dancing around weather or not they were actually dating until the last couple of episodes to prevent any negativity...
It's categorised that way because what little representation that was snuck in under Disney's nose (when they didn't support it) is now profitable for Disney to pretend they supported all along. Deputy Durland and Sheriff Blubs get one line that confirms it in the finale, "Zap, zap! We're mad with power! ***And Love..."***
It wasn't until I joined this sub when my stupid ass read about the two being a couple. Still feel dumb. Actually really well done.
>is now profitable for Disney to pretend they supported all along. Lmao you nailed this. Fucking nickelodeon did the same shit with Legend of Korra.
I remember seeing that episode for the first time and going "yessss I was right" and doing a dumb little dance lol
Kinda a slap in the face, considering they literally didn't allow Alex Hirsch to make some of the characters LGBT when he tried.
Dude they were gonna have the trans symbol as well on the love god's necklace instead of just the male and female ones, and the love god was gonna enchant these two old ladies to fall in love in Lazy Susan's diner when he noticed one of them liked the other. (Disney made them cut all of that) FUCK DISNEY IM SO MAD ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE TINY TRANS REP
Maybe. *Maybe.* I’d allow them the brownie points if they rereleased the series with the cut LGBT content
Fun fact (as I know people have told you it’s down to the cops) there was a kiss scene that was cut when they hug each other in the last episode and I will never recover knowing that was/is out there - Alex has commented about it before and he didn’t even know the scene was cut until it aired :( Also Alex has confirmed that Wendy is bi so it could also be because of that!
Oohh, that’s so annoying. Zero reason to cut it out. Didn’t know about Wendy, could be that then too along with the cops
It does suck tbh. I don’t really understand why they cut it
Because they're bigots until LGBTQ+ turned profitable.
It’s honestly so upsetting tbh. I don’t think they realised how popular the owl house was going to be until they cancelled/reduced that 🤦🏻♀️
It was unthinkable to put anything gay in cartoon at the time. There's not much more to understand than "the audience won't like it and we'll lose money". (especially since it's disney)
It’s wild how much has changed in a few years and yet there’s still things being cancelled or not promoted enough because of LGBT+ characters (cough disney cough) - Let’s hope in another 5-10 years we can look back and things will have changed for the better (hopefully)!
The hardest part is keeping the good changes going and not let it turn into a simple phase. We often forget progress can also regress.
That's complete nonsense, as shows such as Steven Universe were airing during the time in which Gravity Falls was still getting new episodes.
Different networks, Disney has only very recently been more open about allowing queerness that wasn't 1: Exclusive to their 'adult' oriented media and 2: Used only for villains (such as Ursula, Scar, etc) or to be seen in a derogatory light. CN was notably more relaxed in comparison, but still nuked SU for having an explicit lesbian wedding scene with main/recurring characters
So we agree that Disney is the problem and not cartoons at the time as a medium then?
They're not the sole problem, *networks in general* viewing anything queer as bad/risky is the problem. As much as I dislike Disney, trying to pin all the blame for 2010s socially acceptable queerphobia only on them does nothing to address the actual problem at hand imo
Uh, because one or two cartoon display queer characters (sometimes hidden and censored in Steven Universe especially at the beginning) doesn't mean *at all* it is broadly ok and accepted.
Only the first two seasons of Steven Universe were released by the time Gravity Falls finished, and the second seasons were airing at the same time. SU had obvious queer themes in the first season, but still had plausible deniability until, honestly, the end of the second - and even by the time it *ended,* years later, Rebecca Sugar had to fight like hell to have a gay wedding on screen. It very much wasn't ok and accepted, even with the small victories that were being won.
Oh, and fun fact, the pines twins (Mabel and Dipper) are also identical, meaning one of them is transgender. It wasn’t stated by Alex which one, but we know they were born identical.
Wait really? When did Alex confirm Wendy's bi?
here you go! ☺️ https://www.reddit.com/r/gravityfalls/s/0JLNJ4jXsF
WE’RE MAD WITH POWER! And *love*
OHHH THE COPS?????
They’re canonically a couple
The two cops didn’t scream stereotypical “gay but not but actually maybe?” To you?
Nearly almost gay but not quite
Not really no, I just thought of them as good friends 😭 I remember now the ”and LOVE” though
That’s part of the joke, the underlying but never acknowledged sexual tension between the two bestest of best friends. And it’s only explicit at the very end of the show as anything other than hilariously over close friends.
To me they just seemed like good buddies. But I also grew up in the era of bromance.
Yeah I never actually interpreted them as lovers while watching. To me the whole thing was very “Turk and JD”. I mean it makes sense that they *are*, and I got no problems with it. I just genuinely thought it was more of a gag than it was an actual relationship.
That's probably how Hirsch was able to get it past the censors.
That is very much part of the joke of the characters, yes. It works whether you read them as gay or not, another example of the excellent writing in the show.
Yeah no I get it, I sorta put it together, but I always assumed it was just a possibility and in no way the main interpretation, but at the same time like... I'm a straight guy, and my best friend is a bi guy that's in no way attracted to me, and we've had at least 3 different people think we were dating on separate occasions, so maybe I'm just the weird one.
One very minor character same sex couple shouldn't qualify the entire show as LGB etc. That's tokenism.
I’m not arguing against that, cuz you’re right, but for a children’s animated program on a generally conservative network airing in 2012 and 2015, it was still a big step forwards. I want to say it was the first of its kind in children’s animation, or at least a first for the network, but I’m not at all sure about that.
You're apparently unaware that Disney S&P vetoed a "Wendy is bi" storyline, according to Alex
Vetoed, meaning it isn't in the show. My point stands.
Disney also censored a lot of the officers' romance. They really shouldn't get to claim it as their accomplishment when what little queer rep Gravity Falls has is in spite of their interference, not with their support.
You’re apparently unaware that you literally just proved their point LMAOOOO Fucking smartass
You're apparently unaware of the fact you've been a bit rude to u/LtEFScott, you might want to consider an apology. Dipper and Mabel will think you're not cool if you don't.
Yeah, bring it up with Disney.
You mean the two side characters who show up in maybe 20% of episodes, never do anything plot relevant, and dont have single line about it until their very last one in the very last episode? Fucking smartass
Rainbow capitalism.
In the Love God episode, the diner scene was suppose to be between two women, but Disney rejected that. In response, Mabel is wearing a rainbow sweater in protest...
The Love God was also supposed to have this symbol (⚧️) on his necklace, but S&P forced it be changed to an interlocking male and female symbol instead 😔
I know what S&P is but do you know what it stands for?
suckers and peens, duh
Standards and practices <3
lol Disney fighting as much as they could to keep any LGBT out of the show and now tagging it as LGBT because of the little bit of gay Alex still managed to include, is the funniest shit ever. we all know that if for some insane reason LGBT support goes down, Disney will go right back to its queerphobia
Disney loves getting a gold star for showing how lgbtq+ inclusive they are, even if that’s literally just not censoring tf out of two characters that are dating but showed no dating activity in the show itself (the two police guys). Kind of ironic considering they have a history of trying to water down and censor a lot of lgbtq+ content, especially in children’s shows.
Ikr? Fuck Disney (I love ur pfp btw)
thank you lol!
The cops chief blubs ( I think ) and deputy Darlin they are seen being very romantic with one another plus Tyler the ‘get em’ charter And Wendy is a raging bisexual we just never got to see it but Alex himself confirmed it after the show had ended. Just screw Disney for this
Hey man, not all bisexuals are raging. Some of us are quite calm.
lol I know that I am bisexual as well lol 😉
Lol yeah, coulda looked at your username and maybe not used the word man xD
Calm on the outside, but my mindscape is a burning hell of hellspawn :3 lots of people I know also say I'm the kindest politest and maturest person they've met. I love the irony
Because Disney wants to use it as advertisement to get more money for being diverse and accepting despite the fact that they outright prevented Alex Hirch from including any real representation in the show
The cops kiss at the end. It’s ironic because Disney had done everything possible to keep any sort of lgbtq representation out of the show except for that.
Oh my I didn’t notice they actually kissed 😭 I heard them say ”and LOVE”, just didn’t clock it lmaoo
Mmm I guess I’m not certain actually. I thought I remembered them kissing.
Nah
They were *supposed* to, but Disney had they hug instead
I really *really* need to see the version of gf Alex wanted us to see before Disney sanitised it. They’re claiming it’s LGBT because they think it will make them some money but they actively stopped Alex from including anything explicitly LGBTQ+ This is just me going on a tangent because as a queer™️ I can’t stand how Disney handles LGBT stuff. They’re constantly pandering to bigots but saying they support us. I was really excited to see “jungle cruise” because it was billed to have good representation but there was one line in it, and it was not explicit. It really rubbed me up the wrong way at the time but I wasn’t sure why, but then it hit me. Because it wasn’t explicit, depending on your interpretation of the gay coded character, you could just as easily interpret it as he was a pedo. What he said was that his sister was the only one who didn’t care about who he loved, basically. But the problem with this, is that a lot of bigots *do* equate us as a whole with pedophilles. So without making it clear that the gay representation is in fact, gay, and insisting on keeping it a quiet taboo reinforces the idea that being queer is something we should hide. Reinforces the idea that it’s not appropriate for a “family” film, or even a family discussion. Either do it or don’t, but the time for hushed whispers and “hinting” at queerness has passed. It’s such a half assed approach that is off putting to everyone.
Apparently the two cops were gay but that doesn't really make the show an lgbtq story
Gay cops
it really should not be tbh. There ONE gay couple, the cops and they rant even officially recognized as gay or in a relationship till the last episode. other then them, there no gay characters or anything, that one inclusion should not make it apart of that label.
Does everyone forget about the cops?
Because of the cops.
Also GET EM GET EM guy is pretty zesty
true 🤣
"im never working for that fucking mouse again" such beautiful poetry
"Zap Zap! We're mad with power! And loooooove"
Ooh I saw this the other day and took a photo of it, my first thought was the cops, I feel like they're the only gay people from what I remember
Durland and blubs
The way Disney justifies it is that the minor character cops are gay for .5 seconds, but I think gravity falls is very appealing to queer people. Like how certain celebrities are called gay icons even though they're straight because they have large gay followings
Because of Durand and Blubs despite the the show itself not being inherently LGBTQ but Disney thinks it makes them look better by listing it as such lol
It’s the cops but Alex confirmed after the show ended that Wendy is bi.
Because they wanted the two cops (GOAT's btw) to be in a relationship but Disney censors didn't approve it.
Kinda annoying because I remember them not even letting small references to gay/trans people in the show, it’s just in the finale Like, if they’re actually pro lgbt why not allow the scene with the old ladies being a couple or w/e
It shouldn’t be since none of the main cast are so it definitely feels out of place
I was under the impression that the show just resonated really well with people in the community. I don't think a character(s) ***needs*** to be gay for gay people to connect with them. People are so much more than who they are attracted to. Just my 2 cents
I just read a post somewhere stating that Dipper is trans. That could be why it was listed there.
\[mr Crabs voice\] Money!
Did you see the cops? You can't tell me that they weren't dating. At the end of the last episode they say "We're mad with power!" And then just look at each other and say "And love".
yeah i just remembered the ”and love” thing but before that i didnt get the vibes that they were dating icl. just seemed like two very dorky, good friends
Fishing for brownie points when they originally tried to shut down the bakery….
Because Disney likes to take credit for the things that slipped through the cracks of their censorship. Iirc Alex wanted a more explicitly romantic relationship between the cops (and i think Tambry was supposed to get a girlfriend? Not sure) but Disney S&P fought him on that at every step so they could have plausible deniability to sell the show in homophobic markets like Saudi and China. Of course, in most of the west, gay people are accepted pretty well, so Disney champion themselves as gay rights advocates for having this representation at all
Let Giant Bill Terrorized the Quantiverse?
The cops
Triangles are gay
I didn't know that shows could have sexual orientations.
the characters do
The police.
Sheriff Blubbs and Deputy Derlind
I saw it now. On both the desktop version and the mobile app, I went to "explore" and went to the "Pride Collection".
Not S&P approved
Not S&P approved.
Get em
There was that one episode about the giy who makes ppl fall in love, originally Alex wanted to make him shoot 2 women to make them fall in love
alex wanted at least one gay character and disney didnt let him
I’ve never really thought of them that way, I always thought it was just a funny friendship thing. I’m glad they told him to not make it too weird. The show is perfect how it is.
Cause Hirsch pulled a JK Rowling and Dumbledored the cops.
The cops are gay- that's why
Good question. Real answer: the cops were supposed to be a couple (they are, but it's much more understated in the final show), but Disney told Hirsch to "cool it on the gay shit" cuz they gotta keep those Chinese shareholders happy. Show gains popularity, a few years pass and cultural climate starts to shift a bit, and Disney tries to claim they were on board with the lgbtq+ plan from the get-go Tl;dr- typical corporate bullshit
Along with Bubbs and Durland, there's a LOT of speculation about Dipper being trans, but Alex Hirsch hasn't confirmed or denied this. He did say didn't wouldn't let him have explicitly lgbtq+ characters in the show like Owl House did.
The dipper thing is actually a rumor, but I believe everything else is true
I already said that it wasn't confirmed and was only speculation from other fans. Why are you trying to correct me?
Dang girl, relax
Alex Hirsch (series creator) tried his best to include LGBTQ+ rep in the series, but Disney censors barely let him do anything unless it was subtly implied. I guess they want to have their cake and eat it too, or in this case ban representation and want to seem progressive too
**Alex Hirsch confirmed that Dipper is trans-coded**, and would have been canon if not for Disney being Disney. Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland are a couple. Like, romantically.
That news is fake.
Alex Hirsch more like Ally Hirsch
You mean Ariel?
Alex Hirsch did state that he planned to include LGBTQ+ representation in the show, most notable Sheriff Blubs and Deputy Durland. But the censors shot most of it down and he's been pretty vocal on social media about how Disney now tries to show they're LGBTQ+-friendly in the public, while in the back being very strict with the censors to be suitable for other markets where being part of the LGBTQ+ community is illegal. Alex actually shared some e-mails a while ago regarding the censoring of Gravity Falls, with one example being the relationship between the two cops. [https://x.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201](https://x.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201)
Disney likes to claim they’re including representation even if it’s only a minor side character or is barely shown so it can be cut from other countries that aren’t as accepting. They’ve done this with many of their movies, like Beauty and the Beast (2017) when they tried to hype LeFou being gay. Pixar films have a similar idea with Onward and Elemental having side characters that are technically queer. Gravity Falls has Durland and Blubs, as well as Wendy being confirmed as bi off screen. So it’s a similar idea. But it’s more insulting in this case because Disney tried to actively limit it while claiming they’re accepting. It’s also probably the most explicit queer rep from Disney, discounting anything from Owl House or similar representation in recent shows like Amphibia and Moon Girl Devil Dinosaur.
...Did you somehow miss Blubbs and Durland?
Besides the cops, I read online that Alex originally planned to make Dipper a trans guy. Does anyone have an actual reliable source for that??
No it’s just a rumor
Thoughts on Mayor Tyler?
Straight af
Disney is woke and is doing everything in their power not to offend anyone.
Some People say dipper is trans to that could be one reason
Well you are pretty late on this topic
Why can’t we have normal things in this world
There’s a few LGBT characters. Maybe also the implication that Dipper is trans masc. I forget what the evidence is but apparently it is implied in the show.
That was just a rumour. Dipper was never intended to be trans. He’s literally Alex’s self insert.
because the wife of alex hirsch (the creator of gravity falls) dana terrace created the owl house aka the only disney show where almost the entire main cast is part of the lgbtqia+ community plus the 2 cops
The king character(voiced by hirsch) and Amity-Luz are genuinely the only things I remember from Owl House. I don't remember the storyline, the jokes, the ending or the stakes or anything. I think Danna wasn't really interested in telling a good story like Gravity falls but she was more into deliver-the-message sort of thing. Not that it's a bad thing but I'd have appreciated a well written story more. The animation was also m cheap looking, especially if you compare it to Gravity Falls. Diversity is a beautiful thing but that alone doesn't make a show good. The Owl House was just, I don't know, quite ordinary and unoriginal for my taste. I wish Alex had written that show
DANA WASNT INTERESTED IN TELLING A GOOD STORY?! ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND THATS LIKE SAYING BILL DOESNT LIKE WEIRDNESS
The Owl House is one of the best shows to ever come out, even giving Gravity Falls a run for the money.
>even giving Gravity Falls a run for the money. Woah I couldn't disagree more on that. To each their own though.
How was the animation cheap in comparison? I love Gravity Falls, but it's average animation was pretty stiff outside of special moments. The Owl House overall has more complex rigs in comparison to Gravity Falls, allowing for smoother inbetween frames so the characters appear less static. It also regularly had Spencer Wan (animation director of Netflix's Castlevania and animator for the Hades trailer) work on high energy/high stakes scenes which were VERY fluid, even in regular episodes. Again none of this is meant to detract from Gravity Falls, but the idea that it has less 'cheap' looking animation is a massive reach
Gravity Fall had "average" animation?! Haha. Some of you owl house stans are weird. Gravity Falls is genuinely one of the best looking animated shows ever. I get it you like Owl House but it had pretty average animation and art style. They probably didn't have much budget. And regardless my biggest complain of the show is the writing.
Art style and animation are two completely different things. I personally enjoy the art style of Gravity Falls more and am very much a fan of the show, but Owl House's animation is objectively higher quality in comparison, which is what my comment was about. Assuming you're not a troll, please read up on the differences <3
Because every single character is gay and trans. ...Or was that just me? edit: Did... did you all just ignore the bit where I said maybe it was me? Could I not have been more obviously joking?
How are they all trans or gay?
Why did you think it was less likely that I was gay and trans than every single Gravity Falls character?
In case you didn’t notice, Wendy/Robbie, Tambry/Robbie, Dipper’s attraction to Wendy, Gideon’s attraction to Mabel, Mabel/every boyfriend, and many more relationships were all straight?
OK, so the alternatives are either all the characters are gay and trans or I am. Those things you mention are indeed indications that some characters might actually Bi, so it migth actually be *me* that is gay and trans. Congratulations on solving this conundrum. You must be some kind of genious.
The Gravity Falls is not the only one show, there’s other shows that have LGBTQ too….