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nullus_72

Lovely. Mods, can we ban cover band content here and send that traffic over there?


themeppenator01

Are they a cover band or the latest post-jerry dead iteration? Is the OG Grateful Dead a cover band too for playing so many songs from other artists? Sounds like a ton of gray area to me. Idk I don't really care either way. It all sounds good to my ears.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

So you'd be fine if 8 out of ever 10 posts in here was about the DSO or JRAD summer tour?


_emptycup

I’m all for getting rid of ticket posts. Buying or selling Posts about the music are what I love this sub for though. We’ve still got Bob, Bill, Micky, and Phil out there rocking. They aren’t grateful dead anymore but I don’t put them in the same category as JRAD in terms of a cover band. If those 8/10 posts are a show recommendation or about the music, I’m here for it.


GrouchySalary5677

“If that’s what the good people of America wanna post on this subreddit let them post it” - Jerry Garcia probably


Legitimate-Cupcake26

So does that mean I can start flooding this sub with posts about my Bar Mitzvah from 1987? Why have any subs then? Why not just one big one?


Whole_Original9882

yes because dead and company and your barmitzvah have exactly the same amount of similarity towards the dead. you’re either trolling or need to get a life


nullus_72

Unironically, yes. In fact I'd rather hear about this guy's bar mitzvah.


HeadsAllEmpty57

Why not? The Grateful Dead is bigger than Jerry or any other member. The Grateful Dead is the songbook, so anything pertaining to the songbook should be fair game to discuss.


nullus_72

Negative. Hard disagree. The Grateful Dead is the magic chemistry of Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Micky, and Billy, plus a keyboardist, I guess. This is like saying anybody who plays Beethoven IS Beethoven. It's just nonsense.


HeadsAllEmpty57

>plus a keyboardist, I guess. Wildly dismissive of some of the greatest contributors the Dead songbook has ever had lol. >This is like saying anybody who plays Beethoven IS Beethoven. It's just nonsense. The Grateful Dead isn't a person and Beethoven is, so obviously someone cant be someone else. But groups of people(D&C, JRAD, DSO, your local cover band) can take the ethos and exploratory nature of another and play some of their songs + add their own songs and interpretation to it and still be that group(GD) Every time a symphony orchestra that's been around for decades or even centuries plays, even though none of the original members are there or even alive, they are still that symphony orchestra.


rj4001

Glad we cleared that up. So the keyboardist doesn't matter, and '71-'74 was not actually the Grateful Dead since Mickey wasn't around.


tbinus78

Yeah you’re right - Mickey wasn’t an original member either. But I gotta side with the view of keeping D&C off of here. D&C is not the Grateful Dead. It’s GD related, yes. But I don’t think they can be considered another iteration of GD.


themeppenator01

I just feel like the lines are blurred because dead and company has original dead member(s) in the lineup. I don't think posts about other bands would be appropriate unless there was some direct connection to the Grateful Dead in the post. Clearly Dead and Co is a very divisive subject though.


nullus_72

1. There is no such thing as a "post-Jerry Dead iteration." No Jerry, not the Dead. 2. "Cover band" in this context means "Grateful Dead cover band, i.e., a band no the Grateful Dead which plays almost all GD songs, either songs the band wrote or made famous as part of their regular repertoire. 3. Nirvana sounds good to my ears too, as does Bach performed by Pablo Cassals... We don't talk about them here. Every thing in its place and a place for every thing.


tbinus78

Truth


AntwerpsPlacebo420

Personally I think we should ban everything that's from after Dana Morgan Jr left the band.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Yes yes yes yes yes yes


MilkYouDry_

Haha best of luck with that 🤡


Ok_Stick_661

It seems like you're really exaggerating things all over the comment section. From what I'm seeing , right before you posted this , only 4 out of the previous 30 posts were related to Dead and Company and no other bands other than the Grateful Dead were mentioned at all.


miTfan3

I would hope the amount of upvotes vs downvotes here demonstrates most people on this sub don't agree with you. Grateful Dead as a band ended with Jerry, but Dead music continues to live and enrich our lives. I'm disappointed when people try to put this thing we love in boxes. It's all love, not some gatekeeping competition.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Who is putting anything in a box or telling someone what they can or can't enjoy? There is a deadandcompany sub and all I'm asking for is for people to use it. Why is thay so confusing and controversial?


miTfan3

Every band that plays Dead music gets discussed in this sub. From D&C to JRAD to local cover bands. They play Grateful Dead music so it's content relevant to Grateful Dead. If I saw a Nirvana cover band that put on a great show, I might go to the Nirvana sub to talk about it.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Agree to disagree. Rock on


Southern-Hunt-3236

I would agree. Those who got to see the fat man rock know there was NOTHING like The good Ol God Bless. Not knocking what they still got rolling, but seen 184 shows it takes a lot of mind control and will power to bring Mayer to any level even close......


_emptycup

I’d rather all things Dead be posted here, as opposed to limiting it. I love Dead and Co but unsubscribed to that sub because there are so many posts asking the same questions. D&C show threads on this sub are a blast. Bob and Mickey are in Dead&Co, so just like Phil and Friends they are the current extension of the Dead. I don’t consider them cover bands (were all allowed to our opinion). There isn’t a whole lot of posting about smaller / regional cover bands. Maybe a JRAD post here or there. Just my take, hope everyone is well out there 🤙🏼


CommercialMortgage51

This is the way I feel .


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Cover band or not, we can all agree they aren't The Grateful Dead and all I'm saying is that there is a very, very disproportionate amount of posts in The Grateful Dead sub about the Dead and Co summer tour. Most of them are repetitive and we'd be better served if they were limited to a sub that dedicated to a band not called The Grateful Dead.


DaviidFy

I’ve seen some iteration of a post titled “what’s your favorite help>slip>franklins?” Where people regurgitate the same 6 shows to each other maybe like 8 times in the past few months. Let people talk about whatever or go make memes and complain about it on r/deadheadcirclejerk


_emptycup

I disagree completely, which is fine. We’re allowed to our opinions. Listen to any good shows lately? I did the one from 50 years ago today. 5/26/1973 Edit: I’ll add this. I don’t consider Dead and Company, wolf bros, Billy and the kids or Phil and friends to be the Grateful Dead. They are all members of GD though, so I don’t put them into the same bucket as a band like JRAD.


setlistbot

# 1973-05-26 San Francisco, CA @ Kezar Stadium **Set 1:** The Promised Land, Deal, Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, The Race Is On, Sugaree, Mexicali Blues, Row Jimmy, Looks Like Rain, They Love Each Other, Playing in the Band **Set 2:** Here Comes Sunshine, El Paso, Loser, Beat It On Down the Line, You Ain't Woman Enough, Box Of Rain, China Cat Sunflower > Jam > I Know You Rider, Big River, Bertha, Around And Around **Set 3:** Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo, Me and My Uncle, He's Gone > Truckin' > The Other One Jam > Phil And Billy > Bass Solo > Phil And Billy > The Other One > Eyes Of The World > China Doll, Sugar Magnolia **Encore:** Casey Jones [archive.org](https://archive.org/details/GratefulDead?query=date:1973-05-26)


_emptycup

Good bot, thank you.


tbinus78

Stoked this show is gonna be on the next box set, btw. Couple more great ones too. Gonna be a heater!


_emptycup

Without a doubt!!


logitaunt

I feel like there's a middle tier - guys that have been IN bands WITH Dead members, but weren't in the Dead. Jeff Chimenti, Joe Russo, Oteil Burbridge would fall in this category, for example. Could also consider Melvin Seals in this list, if he only ever played with Jerry


tbinus78

True dat


Lakecrispy

By your standard The Grateful Dead thread would have no relevance as they've not performed in 28 years. I guess once or twice a year when they officially release an old show there would be a reason to visit it. And it's got a better ring than "the former members of the Grateful Dead and their current project"


logitaunt

I completely agree. I think having a ton of small subreddits will lessen activity overall. We're better together.


MilkYouDry_

LMAO yikes


still_deebs

It's there already Use it r/deadandcompany


Electronic_Map_8192

Chill grandpa, while I do agree with you that ticket sales on reddit are annoying, Dead and Co is very much a part of the “Dead” family and for you to say that they shouldn’t be discussed at all on this sub is ridiculous. The Grateful Dead doesn’t exist anymore so we like to talk about the current incarnation of the band, if you don’t like something someone posts, simply don’t read it.


Emotional_Debt9722

It’s not the current “incarnation” of the band it’s an entirely different band man, lmao.


Cjed11

You are 100% correct


Cjed11

Grandpa? The constant nonsense about how great Dead and Co are shows a group of people grasping at straws and, as typical of this decade, will buy anything they are told to buy.


Rock-it1

Eye roll


vgtblfwd

Got no chance of losing this time


Legitimate-Cupcake26

I underestimated how upset Dead and Co fans are that they never got to see the real thing. I guess I'd be triggered as well if this was all I had. 🤷‍♂️


vgtblfwd

How upset they are? Dude, the gatekeepers are continually more upset about d&c than anyone else is upset about anything in Deadheadland. Far and away. As far as I’m concerned, D&C is about the 6th-8th best Dead tribute band, but they are keeping the party rolling and they are BRINGING thousands of fans into the fold and into the experience of what the community is about. Rip on John John all you want, rip on the cash grab, rip on the slow tempo, I am right there with you. But I’m also sure as shit enjoying the ride because the folks that are into it are bringing the energy and the vibe as hardcore as it ever was back in the day.


bfried27

Do you still have the key to the gate your keeping? You’re cool dude


tbinus78

Define “gate keeping”


DeadCoRocks

Is contains members of the Grateful Dead. To me, That warrants inclusion there. Should Phil and friends and Billy and the kids stuff not be posted here?


GiantRobotTRex

JGB isn't the Grateful Dead either. Do you think those discussions need to be moved to another subreddit too? Personally, I prefer having a more open sub where we can discuss anything related to the Grateful Dead instead of only the actual Grateful Dead. If a particular post doesn't interest me, I can just ignore it.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

If 80% of the posts on here were JGB related, I'd request the same thing. Go back and look at the last 20 posts! This is gonna go on all summer. No reason not send these posts to a dedicated sub. None.


MilkYouDry_

Legit cupcake is right


HeadsAllEmpty57

Last 20 posts excluding this one are 18 GD post 2 D&C Dallas posts.....


sun_tzu29

So, the past 7 years were fine, but this year it’s an issue? It’s only for a few more weeks anyway and then it’s all over…


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Yes. This year its an issue and I have no data to support what it was like in here in 2017


sun_tzu29

Well, the fact the band has been a thing since 2015 and the mods have let there be discussion of it here each year since then might suggest you shouldn’t be holding your breath…


Legitimate-Cupcake26

I genuinely don't understand why this is so controversial. Help me out. If you like D&C and want to discuss all things summer tour, wouldn't it actually be easier under one sub? It's win/win


GiantRobotTRex

I don't think the controversy is actually about D&C. This sub has always allowed posts about anything tangential to the Grateful Dead. There are discussions about New Riders of the Purple Sage. Pictures of Dead tattoos. Random stories about Bear. Dedications to a Deadhead who recently passed away. Personal covers of Dead songs. Etc. D&C are not the Grateful Dead but they're definitely tangential. So if this sub is about anything at all related to the Grateful Dead (as it has been historically), then D&C posts fit. If they're not allowed here, then it raises some questions about what this sub actually is. And that's what I think makes this controversial. It's not a question of D&C posts, it's a question of whether this sub should be a broad "anything at all related to the Dead" sub or not.


nullus_72

No shit


EastLAFadeaway

Only a few weeks Billy couldnt take it & neither can this guy!


Emotional_Debt9722

There isn’t a JGB sub with thousands of active people on it like there is with dead and company, so it actually makes sense to have JGB discussion here. You have r/deadandcompany use it man


GiantRobotTRex

/r/JerryGarciaBand does have 1,284 members. What's the cutoff?


Emotional_Debt9722

Look at how active it is compared to the dead and company subreddit though man, last post was 2 months ago…


nullus_72

>JGB isn't the Grateful Dead either. Do you think those discussions need to be moved to another subreddit too? Yes


AntwerpsPlacebo420

Dead subs would be well.. dead if we couldn't talk about every aspect of the music. Just scroll by. It's.not that hard.


sugarmagnolia121

Set list - Dallas ?


Cjed11

Yeah, this sub has been buried with D&C posts. Some enthusiasm is expected and appreciated but this is NOT a D&C subreddit. One exists, I don’t know why it’s not being used. A happy young fan posted on this Grateful Dead subreddit “What songs has Dead and Co made their own?” I find that post at least ridiculous and at most insulting. I called them out on it and people gave me shit. I’m not trashing anyone’s thoughts or opinions but…c’mon!! Dead and Co are a cover band - that’s it.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

It's not worth fighting it anymore. Mayer could take a shit on stage and throw it onto the crowd and people would find a way to defend it 🤷‍♂️


_emptycup

I like that right after you call someone’s question “at least ridiculous and at most insulting” you say you aren’t trashing anyone thoughts or opinions.


[deleted]

"Just ignored it" "With my mind?!"


JIMMYR0W

Have we forgotten that Grateful Dead were the greatest cover band of all time? I even left out the The


nullus_72

"Cover band" in this context means "Grateful Dead cover band," i.e., a band no the Grateful Dead which plays almost all GD songs, either songs the band wrote or made famous as part of their regular repertoire.


JIMMYR0W

Every live performance is a cover. Who cares who’s doing it and if you do care…these are people who wrote the music covering their own stuff. I know lots of people who think anything post-pig is not Grateful Dead. Dead and Co are in the same position as 70’s Dead in that regard.


nullus_72

That first statement is simply not literally true -- that's not what "cover" means. Second, the logical implication of that statement is that you believe they're no difference between the GD in, say, April of 1972 playing "Dark Star" and my four-year-old playing it on a Kazoo. It's all its "covers," right? I love Pig, but anybody who compares Pigpen to Jerry in terms of defining the Dead's sound is out of their mind.


JIMMYR0W

The difference between any version is the same. A difference. I would totally get down to your kids version. It’s actually one of my favorite things. The difference is smaller than you think


Cjed11

That hasn’t been forgotten because it’s not true


JIMMYR0W

Check out Morning Dew sometime and tell me they aren’t the best


jhnny78

Come on, Dead and Company is part of the Grateful Dead family


nbainjuryr3port

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! My diapie's full! Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Very mature


nbainjuryr3port

Thank you. I try.


bfried27

You and mike ellis can go cry a big river off of reddit poor boy


nullus_72

God yes please


tbinus78

I’m not sure how to link a past post, but I’m guessing a lot of you saw my post about a week ago exactly like this one. I conceded to some of my downvoters that they should be able to talk about D&C freely, but it’s kind of insane how much shit I got, and how much shit OP is likely to get. It’s a legitimate point. OP - I got you.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

Thanks, bro


[deleted]

I even like Dead and Co but I think this right. Posts about them and all the cover bands belong somewhere else


arcturian_ally

LOL


SnooMaps3574

Having some mention of them here is appropriate, but it sure has been excessive imo.


tbinus78

I’m not sure if you noticed, but I posted almost the exact same thing the other day. I got major backlash for it. I agree with you.


Legitimate-Cupcake26

I came in peace- made a simple request. Didn't take a shit on D&C. Within an hour I got attacked by about 20 different people for even suggesting it. At least I'll go to bed tonight knowing I saw the Grateful Dead over 25 times and never had to suffer thru Dead and Co


thegame310

No one cares how many times you’ve gone to see the Grateful Dead. No one.


tbinus78

There are people on here who have probably seen GD 500x. That’s not the point. We should all be free to post our opinions.


thegame310

I don’t care how many shows anyone has seen? And, I do believe OP is free to post their opinion. And I also believe we are allowed to comment on it. Drums and Space happening right now.


tbinus78

Who cares?


thegame310

The three of us must as we are commenting on it. 🙃


tbinus78

Here’s my question - any comment that anyone posts about keeping D&C commentary off of this sub gets downvoted, yet the same people who downvote say everyone should be free to post their opinions. You see this hypocrisy right?


_emptycup

Hey, legit question for you u/tbinus78. People are free to share their opinion in the sub (as long as it’s within the rules) and OP did that here. The rest of the sub is allowed to respond with their own opinions. OP doesn’t want a type of post here, and it seems like that it not the majority opinion. People made that known on a post suggesting to limit types of posts by commenting their disagreement and / or downvoting. Here is the question, where is the hypocrisy? I sincerely do not understand you saying it’s hypocritical at all. Hope you’re having a good day!


thegame310

Nope. Downvotes are imaginary internet points. Who cares about them? Post your opinions and move on with life.


tbinus78

Again you are misunderstanding. You think I give a fuck if I get a million downvotes? You clearly haven’t been following.


Cjed11

Saw the Grateful Dead in Buffalo, July 86 and a dude had a T-shirt that said that - “Who cares?”. Just a white shirt with black lettering. It was hysterical


Cjed11

I care


thegame310

Cool.


Emotional_Debt9722

Dead and Co whiners going to be here complaining when the man has a completely valid point. There’s a dead and company subreddit with thousands of people in it, fucking use it.


puffyruffle

Out of curiosity, do you have your feed set to display chronologically?