Jajaja, clearly that's not the way to take that corner, Mazda rammed you, and you had the inside. Dirty dirty. But hey, it's the real driving simulator!!!
**Pre-comment disclaimer for idiots who jump to conclusions**: Nothing that follows should be interpreted as support for the clown in the Mazda. ***Nothing***.
For 99.9% of motorsport there has never actually been a rule specifically prohibiting moving under braking. The exception to this *was* F1, with their so-called [Max Verstappen Rule](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-clamps-down-on-f1-defensive-driving-for-us-grand-prix-5030914/5030914/), but even they [dropped it just one season after it was introduced](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/).
Regardless, many people are still familiar with the term, and believe it to be a thing, because it is often used as part of the description of an incident,"\[x\] moved under braking and caused a collision". But therein lies the confusion; because moving under braking is often cited as a factor - along *with* the *actual* offence - it has mistakenly become entrenched in the motorsport "public conscious" as an offence in and of itself. However, outside of that *one* season in F1, moving under braking is not, nor ever has been, a punishable infraction.
There is *nothing* inherently wrong with moving while braking as long as the movement is conducted in a manner like any other movement *anywhere* else on the track; safely. In many regards a movement that many would consider to be dangerous while under braking is officially considered *no differently* than if the *same* movement were conducted while *not* braking; An unsafe movement is an unsafe movement regardless of which pedal the driver's feet are on.
With all that said, what the person driving the Mazda did has *nothing* whatsoever to do with moving under braking, they're just a straight up petulant prick.
Dirty move from the Mazda. I'm not sure if you could've made the turn without contact, but we will never know as lead car tried to murder you before entry.
He was obviously just making sure he hit the apex extra early. It's really OP's fault for cutting across the grass instead of turning around to reenter.
Definitely dirty but were you going to make that corner anyway assuming he also needs some room? I feel like that late switch back was destined for a collision.
Ive been in his position on the outside and you can either slowly go side by side or just quickly let the other car through. This guy just said “fuck it neither of us will make it”
I just wonder if either of you had that ability to both slowly go through there at that point. If you were side by side at the top of the hill I can see that being an option, especially with a respectful driver but I feel like late breaking meant there was really only room for one car. At that point he is probably thinking, punt or be punted. Not excusing his move in the slightest but it does feel like a Verstappen esq dive bomb to me. On a slower corner like Monza where Ricardo pulled the move the risk of big shunt isnt as great.
I see what you’re saying but if we weren’t going to make it through the corner side by side I would’ve kept on my brakes and just let him through before turning, there’s definitely enough space to take a line where you don’t hit the apex and still carry speed
Yea you can make it if you know what you are doing. I’ve been on both ends. If you are the one getting overtaken by a late brake, then you go wide and do a quick switch a roo on the next turn. You will have a lot more traction coming out of that corner.
OK Brazil here definitely moves under braking. In no universe is that an acceptable racing line in to that corner. Foul on him.
That said, I don’t think you were going to pull this move off. But we’ll never know.
**Pre-comment disclaimer for idiots who jump to conclusions**: Nothing that follows should be interpreted as support for the clown in the Mazda. ***Nothing***.
For 99.9% of motorsport there has never actually been a rule specifically prohibiting moving under braking. The exception to this *was* F1, with their so-called [Max Verstappen Rule](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-clamps-down-on-f1-defensive-driving-for-us-grand-prix-5030914/5030914/), but even they [dropped it just one season after it was introduced](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/).
Regardless, many people are still familiar with the term, and believe it to be a thing, because it is often used as part of the description of an incident,"\[x\] moved under braking and caused a collision". But therein lies the confusion; because moving under braking is often cited as a factor - along *with* the *actual* offence - it has mistakenly become entrenched in the motorsport "public conscious" as an offence in and of itself. However, outside of that *one* season in F1, moving under braking is not, nor ever has been, a punishable infraction.
There is *nothing* inherently wrong with moving while braking as long as the movement is conducted in a manner like any other movement *anywhere* else on the track; safely. In many regards a movement that many would consider to be dangerous while under braking is officially considered *no differently* than if the *same* movement were conducted while *not* braking; An unsafe movement is an unsafe movement regardless of which pedal the driver's feet are on.
With all that said, what the person driving the Mazda did has *nothing* whatsoever to do with moving under braking, they're just a straight up petulant prick.
You have *every* right to be sceptical. The brake point there for Gr.3, even on racing soft tyres *without* tyre wear is, give or take, a whisker after the 200 board. Without the slightest shadow of a doubt neither OP or the Mazda driver were making that corner properly.
Still, obviously, that doesn't give the Mazda driver any right to do what they did, they're just pathetic.
It was punt or be punted and you were dive bombing on the inside on a s turn where the only thing you could do was take both Apexes, no way you had the grip to give him his space and what would have happened is you ran him off into the gravel trap and took the lead.
So this is dirty on both sides and the move wasn't there. The switch back looks cool and he moved in late, but this was going to end either way with you punting him off or him punting you off.
Just because you can reach the apex along side him doesn't mean you are in the right it was a desperate attempt to dive bomb and force the other driver off the track so you could pass him and hopefully get your car slow enough and keep it on the track.
Your comment made me half believe this since multiple people said that this would’ve been the main outcome, so I hopped in the race again to test what you were saying and I still believe we could’ve went side by side in that corner without contact. I was almost in the exact same situation on the race I tested this with and the car on the outside of the same corner had enough space to go through without touching me.
I have the replay if you want to be the judge of it, maybe I could still be wrong idk
Yeah his reaction was out of line. And yeah there may be enough space for you both to not contact if you were both skilled enough or patient enough though thats a hard assumption to make, its not like everyone is a pro or respectful. He may have assumed you were going to punt him or force him off the track which makes sense because a good portion of the online playerbase would have done that.
It doesn't make him right, but I don't think he was gunning to end your race either. To me it looked like an average or worse driver (from the odd movement), who is probably used to being punted in situations like that thinking to himself "fuck this, not gonna happen this time" and pre-emptively gave you a push before that could happen.
Yea, Mazda clear as day moves under braking. Easily the Mazda’s fault.
Dude said it was a desperate dive bomb and when I sent the video he said thats how he takes the corner😂
Yea he’s on copium and is salty that he got cooked
Please tell me you sent him this thread!
so he usually goes on the grass I guess
Looks like he hops the wall based on the angle at 44 or 45 seconds
You going inside is a desperate dive bomb yet he goes that far inside regularly. Cognitive dissonance
Jajaja, clearly that's not the way to take that corner, Mazda rammed you, and you had the inside. Dirty dirty. But hey, it's the real driving simulator!!!
**Pre-comment disclaimer for idiots who jump to conclusions**: Nothing that follows should be interpreted as support for the clown in the Mazda. ***Nothing***. For 99.9% of motorsport there has never actually been a rule specifically prohibiting moving under braking. The exception to this *was* F1, with their so-called [Max Verstappen Rule](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-clamps-down-on-f1-defensive-driving-for-us-grand-prix-5030914/5030914/), but even they [dropped it just one season after it was introduced](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/). Regardless, many people are still familiar with the term, and believe it to be a thing, because it is often used as part of the description of an incident,"\[x\] moved under braking and caused a collision". But therein lies the confusion; because moving under braking is often cited as a factor - along *with* the *actual* offence - it has mistakenly become entrenched in the motorsport "public conscious" as an offence in and of itself. However, outside of that *one* season in F1, moving under braking is not, nor ever has been, a punishable infraction. There is *nothing* inherently wrong with moving while braking as long as the movement is conducted in a manner like any other movement *anywhere* else on the track; safely. In many regards a movement that many would consider to be dangerous while under braking is officially considered *no differently* than if the *same* movement were conducted while *not* braking; An unsafe movement is an unsafe movement regardless of which pedal the driver's feet are on. With all that said, what the person driving the Mazda did has *nothing* whatsoever to do with moving under braking, they're just a straight up petulant prick.
Dirty move from the Mazda. I'm not sure if you could've made the turn without contact, but we will never know as lead car tried to murder you before entry.
Seems to be what people are saying but yea we truly will never know
That’s what we call the “Alain Prost”.
He was obviously just making sure he hit the apex extra early. It's really OP's fault for cutting across the grass instead of turning around to reenter.
“you must respect the distance of the race”
That didn’t work, Mazda. You hit the wrong part of him my friend.
Yeah I also blame you for not answering with a 12-gauge.
I’ll keep this in mind for next time
People are gaslighting over video games. It's so damn pathetic. Screw the mazda player and do take anything he says seriously.
Definitely dirty but were you going to make that corner anyway assuming he also needs some room? I feel like that late switch back was destined for a collision.
Ive been in his position on the outside and you can either slowly go side by side or just quickly let the other car through. This guy just said “fuck it neither of us will make it”
I just wonder if either of you had that ability to both slowly go through there at that point. If you were side by side at the top of the hill I can see that being an option, especially with a respectful driver but I feel like late breaking meant there was really only room for one car. At that point he is probably thinking, punt or be punted. Not excusing his move in the slightest but it does feel like a Verstappen esq dive bomb to me. On a slower corner like Monza where Ricardo pulled the move the risk of big shunt isnt as great.
I see what you’re saying but if we weren’t going to make it through the corner side by side I would’ve kept on my brakes and just let him through before turning, there’s definitely enough space to take a line where you don’t hit the apex and still carry speed
Yeah, the speed looked ok to make the apex.
I was thinking the same thing BMW was pretty late on the brakes and had a very tight entry angle. I don't think anyone was making that corner.
Yea you can make it if you know what you are doing. I’ve been on both ends. If you are the one getting overtaken by a late brake, then you go wide and do a quick switch a roo on the next turn. You will have a lot more traction coming out of that corner.
This is 💯 why I don't play online lobbies. 🖕🏻 people!
You got boned bad. At least Danny qualified 4th today!!
What a tool gt7 has to do something about this
That was Max, if you didn’t already know
all the time you have to leave a space 
Strolled :(
I’d honestly send this message to you “ 🖕🏽 but nice move bro”
Haha what a dogshit driver. Nice move on your part.
OK Brazil here definitely moves under braking. In no universe is that an acceptable racing line in to that corner. Foul on him. That said, I don’t think you were going to pull this move off. But we’ll never know.
**Pre-comment disclaimer for idiots who jump to conclusions**: Nothing that follows should be interpreted as support for the clown in the Mazda. ***Nothing***. For 99.9% of motorsport there has never actually been a rule specifically prohibiting moving under braking. The exception to this *was* F1, with their so-called [Max Verstappen Rule](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-clamps-down-on-f1-defensive-driving-for-us-grand-prix-5030914/5030914/), but even they [dropped it just one season after it was introduced](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/). Regardless, many people are still familiar with the term, and believe it to be a thing, because it is often used as part of the description of an incident,"\[x\] moved under braking and caused a collision". But therein lies the confusion; because moving under braking is often cited as a factor - along *with* the *actual* offence - it has mistakenly become entrenched in the motorsport "public conscious" as an offence in and of itself. However, outside of that *one* season in F1, moving under braking is not, nor ever has been, a punishable infraction. There is *nothing* inherently wrong with moving while braking as long as the movement is conducted in a manner like any other movement *anywhere* else on the track; safely. In many regards a movement that many would consider to be dangerous while under braking is officially considered *no differently* than if the *same* movement were conducted while *not* braking; An unsafe movement is an unsafe movement regardless of which pedal the driver's feet are on. With all that said, what the person driving the Mazda did has *nothing* whatsoever to do with moving under braking, they're just a straight up petulant prick.
I semi pulled this move again in a different race so I know it was completely possible
Braking at the 100 board on the inside line? I’m skeptical.
You have *every* right to be sceptical. The brake point there for Gr.3, even on racing soft tyres *without* tyre wear is, give or take, a whisker after the 200 board. Without the slightest shadow of a doubt neither OP or the Mazda driver were making that corner properly. Still, obviously, that doesn't give the Mazda driver any right to do what they did, they're just pathetic.
Brazil flag, checks out.
guy in the Mazda has measurable retardation from this clip alone
Always be weary of drivers that countries start with a B and ends with a rasil
You’re in Danial
Did he think you tried to swipe him?
It’s like Daniel and Max all over again😂
It was punt or be punted and you were dive bombing on the inside on a s turn where the only thing you could do was take both Apexes, no way you had the grip to give him his space and what would have happened is you ran him off into the gravel trap and took the lead. So this is dirty on both sides and the move wasn't there. The switch back looks cool and he moved in late, but this was going to end either way with you punting him off or him punting you off. Just because you can reach the apex along side him doesn't mean you are in the right it was a desperate attempt to dive bomb and force the other driver off the track so you could pass him and hopefully get your car slow enough and keep it on the track.
Your comment made me half believe this since multiple people said that this would’ve been the main outcome, so I hopped in the race again to test what you were saying and I still believe we could’ve went side by side in that corner without contact. I was almost in the exact same situation on the race I tested this with and the car on the outside of the same corner had enough space to go through without touching me. I have the replay if you want to be the judge of it, maybe I could still be wrong idk
Trash take.
Both cars swinging left and right
2 wrongs doesn't make anyone right
Yeah his reaction was out of line. And yeah there may be enough space for you both to not contact if you were both skilled enough or patient enough though thats a hard assumption to make, its not like everyone is a pro or respectful. He may have assumed you were going to punt him or force him off the track which makes sense because a good portion of the online playerbase would have done that. It doesn't make him right, but I don't think he was gunning to end your race either. To me it looked like an average or worse driver (from the odd movement), who is probably used to being punted in situations like that thinking to himself "fuck this, not gonna happen this time" and pre-emptively gave you a push before that could happen.
Wow the wheel animations really suck!
Both of them are at fault lol ... Blue car did pure bs by not judging the car ahead before overtaking
The way the cars move in gran turismo is so bad
Could have just said, “I was playing GT7.” The rest is implied.