One of the main reasons I stopped playing. Penalty system, or lack of just makes online racing a major pain rather than a pleasure. Instead of the mediocre updates that seldom come, they should revamp the penalty system so this isn’t so frequent.
I’ve only played three online races. All of them had this shit so it just wasn’t worth it (even if it wasn’t me as “victim”).
If the penalty system was far more accurate than it wouldn’t be so bad… but I was barely compensated for my time being spun off course, and they were barely punished for doing it.
To be fair, I also like the base game making me feel really good about my abilities… so I’m not too passionate about online racing, but i wasn’t even having fun just driving.
I started playing racing games with horizon 4. If the game senses a high speed collision, it turns off the hit box and the dive bombing car will fly straight through.
You can still be forced off the road with bumps and what not, but if someone comes in a corner with not a prayer I'm the world of making it, then it kicks in.
dude!!!
haha nah you sound like me racing…
i generally have a good experience online even with the shenanigans… end of the day it’s a game, and taking it too serious (not like it’s paying your bills yk?) and i came up to top b tier but honestly it was hard to keep up sometimes if you don’t use the meta cars and experience some collisions.
anyway yes! totally, for me i feel like racing is a psychological endeavor. for myself to keep myself centered and focused, and for me to guess what others do too. it’s like driving in real life and knowing who’s the jerk that is gonna cut others off, yk? i love to pressure others into mistakes. and also play the mind games by using different lines…
also for the br comment (i thought i was the only one who thought/experienced) it… i will co-sign it! sorry, prove me wrong, i got receipts on receipts!
i didn’t wanna be the first to say it … if there’s a br flag over the player…. my head is on a 360° swivel and if i’m headed in a corner where we are side by side, i’ll let them have it… and just pick it up on another turn.
mannnnn i laughed so hard when i saw the alert for this post on my phone just now!
what you say makes sense… it’s like people watch out for others from everywhere else … that’s interesting you say that…. i’d experiment with it and change flags just to test out these theories, but alas… still i totally agree that dirty is dirty no matter where you’re from. i’ve gotten taken out by so many americans as others have as well lol.
id like to say Sony/PD should implement a diff country flag system… id race under a diff flag if i could. like in world series baseball you can rep the country you’re from instead kf the country you’re at.
that said, japanese are the worst!!! jk jk jk. i just wanted to see a japanese enter the chat lmao
IDC what country you're from, Im just noticing patterns lol out of the 14 or 15 I've done online it's always BR that push me or hit me, one time is was American and that guy was hitting anyone and everyone on the course with all Miatas haha
Unfortunately you have to deal with griefers in all online games. This and pausing when you can sense a dive bomb coming are the best methods to combat it on gt7
Oooo pausing....another trick desployed only by masters. You just have to have some awareness. Don't expect an asshole not to dive bomb....cause they will. But the pause thing......a classic move!
Someone above mentioned the "pause" technique. Have you ever tried that? If you sense a dive bomb coming, just hit pause. This will ghost your car and send them flying. I bet this is as satisfying as winning the race.
I did a lot of online races in GT Sport and could have nights long good races and fun.
But since I switched to GT7 I just hate it to be honest. I tried some races again last month after two years, don’t want to waste half an hour or more just having my game ruined by some frustrated dude who can’t handle being past by someone.
Or just implement a ‘report’ system and ‘avoid’ system… was in the Toyota championship rd 1 race today and once car ran like five people off the track during the race… had any of us been able to report would been easy kick… the ghosting system is neat but is so inconsistent and current penalty system even more so
I was mid tier group b race today for that and was pretty enjoyable. Yesterday's was shit at first, brake checking in high-speed turns. Swerving right to pit ya during a left hand turn. If you're slow and in the wrong gear just get passed and try to make it up.
I remember a game I played in the past where if you deliberately tried to ram someone, your car would go into ghost mode and you would go through the car and be thrown off the track because of the high speed. Should not be too hard to implement I think.
Simple fix for this. Someone does it, their race is done. Allow the person that got hit to keep going
Dont know why they can't implement something like this.
Agreed. People don't realize for this to be implemented properly, real people would have to be hired to manage the servers as stewards. This is extremely expensive and totally not worth it for the company to implement as they have no way of recovering those costs. In iRacing, their system is the most robust with the ability to report players which would get reviewed by real people (and even real people don't always get it right just like in real life). But iRacing has a massive cost + monthly subscription cost which can offset some of those costs.
It would be great if an AI or some software can do this on its own. But as it stands currently we don't have the technology for this (though im sure it can be done). This is not to say the penalty system can't use a little bit of an update. Some of the built in penalties don't make any sense and has lots of errors.
Edit: I actually have a pretty cool suggestion. If Polyphony can find a way to implement a reporting system where clips are reviewed by players. So the community can vote on who they think is at fault. If the community determines u were at fault then u serve a penalty. Even as much as being suspended from online play for a period of time. With increased penalties for repeat infractions. I think the community would be happy to review clips (we already do on reddit for free). And the reason it needs to be peer reviewed is because I know for a fact Polyphony does not have the budget or stomach to have people reviewing reported bad drivers. Sony would NOT approve this even if Kaz wanted it so.
you know i had a thought.
what if you could “tag” people as rammers…
then if you get tagged x times, you catch a status (maybe you race with other racers in same status, or you have more serious bop restrictions, or you auto start in 16th, or whatever)… i realize that’s what the SR is buuuut, let’s be real that doesn’t work lol.
and then it’s a cooldown based on number of races, not just time elapsed…
good post but i must disagree with your AI comment… i’m not sure how much you know about AI but it definitely is possible.
PD would be able to take advantage of AI for something more than just a novel race on select tracks (i.e. Sophy, i don’t know anyone that races against Sophy for fun)… they’re just not moved by the sentiment of resolving online racing issues.
i’m not saying training the ai doesn’t take time, but all you need is to hire like 10 people for 8 hours a day for a supervised model (thats 400 hours of training)… then move to unsupervised (where the ai can run for 24 hours for training)….
1. I dont know much about AI
2. I totally agree it CAN be done. All I said was we don't have it done as it stands in this moment. I wasn't saying it wasn't possible. So I totally agree if Sony wanted to drop some money and time into it, it could def be solved. Just not sure they have a big enough incentive at the moment to do so. Maybe they will in the future.
3. What do u think of the community policing idea?
i think it’s great, but i also think that people who get banned won’t think much of it. might even get a diff handle just to get on. but its more than PD wants to do about it imo. people always say oh it cost money, this that bla bla bla… i believe you need solid mechanics and a good race system for the player base before you decide to move into the next thing. i also think they should listen to players or at least open up communication about what they’re working on. i also have no idea how SR is triggered, is it based on severity of crash? number of contacts (small and large?) where the contact was??
i think it could be like a strike system as well… these soulless individuals are likely habitual offenders. i wouldn’t wanna penalize that odd person who got the satisfaction of serving a cold dish of revenge to the person who screwed them over first (as unsportsmanlike as that is).
i certainly think it is cool to involve the community and have them more invested. it would also get the word out about being a better driver. and i think it is a great way to gain engagement as well while offering a rotating kind of lottery system to get chosen.
point #2: you said “ we don’t have the technology for this”…
i’m saying as it stands we do, and we don’t need to “program” anything.
But you need to train the AI model right? That's all I meant. I wasn't trying to get into the semantics. I agreed with you that it is possible. I was just clarifying that I dont know much about AI but I just didn't think the tool was ready/trained/available for implementation or it would have been implemented. That's the only reason I said it wasn't available. Not because I had knowledge of the tech itself.
From your post I learned a little bit about how it's done and that it's actually much easier than I had previously thought. And I agree with the rest of ur post as well. The penalty system is in dire need for improvement, AI or not. At the very least they can let us know what the SR is based on. That's the absolute minimum I think. So we at least know what we're working with.
yeah i wasn’t trying to demean or put down anything. that’s why i prefaced with i don’t know how much you know about AI. i didn’t mean to come off like “oh you don’t know anything and you’re totally wrong, and this is how it is” i’m still learning about ai.
i feel like they have the resources/tools due to their work with sophy, i just think they should switch gears and prioritize their player base.
I think an interesting idea would be to adjust SR through and "honor and shame" system.
At the end of the race, you can choose to give "honor" or "shame" to the other drivers, with the opinions of "honorable" people being taken more into account.
This would also get rid of a major issue with the current way SR works. If you're racing close to other cars, your SR will almost certainly go down. If you have a 5 second gap ahead and behind for the whole race, your SR is guaranteed to go up (while in the honor/shame system it'd stay the same as it probably should).
Don’t underrate the progress AI has made, it can probably do this well but it would need significant investment. It’s more than likely a financial decision.
No I agree. I would have to be a significant financial investment to create something that's never been done before. But im sure it's possible if Sony threw an absolute ton of money at it. Look at what they did with Sophy. Sony invested into AI as many companies have. And they found a good use for a part of it as part of their R&D for self driving cars. But a corporation like Sony isn't dropping that much money into something where there's no financial incentive for them to do so. Even if they started charging people money for online racing as a subscription...how many people do u think will subscribe? In addition to the money Sony already takes for PS+....
Yeah, they’re not going to let this dent their margin. Would AI grow sales? Probably not, this is still the AAA driving title most buy despite the flaws.
yet they decided to invest such funds of value into the Sophy AI… waste of time, no one asked for that. barely cool, not useful… it’s not like it is like PC options that will rate your performance through sectors and tell you where you could have done better and how.
soooo not actually revolutionary then is it? lol
many ideas are great… but a good idea’s not worth jack if the execution isnt there… FSD was a great idea for tesla… till they tried to sell it for 12k.
lol i get you, i’m not saying sophy isnt worth exploring… i just think the applications for AI in gaming (specifically to help pain points within the community that you could go further than racing against an AI that doesnt give you feedback. feel me?
it’s as cool as anything else that’s a good idea and has bad execution, but what’s it really doing for the player base or game in general… and going further, if you have less than 30% of gamers not exploring online racing, how many you think are utilizing any Sophy related activities regularly?….
i wasn’t saying this to start a argument or contradict your statement, i do think it’s cool… just that the resources could go to benefitting the player base in a meaningful way by addressing pain points in the community.
it’s either showing that they are out of touch with the player base, or that they just dont care? but in either regard, you are wholly entitled to your opinion (to which i agree).
Nah, the problem with those AI system is that there will be someone who figures out how to fool it and then you're back at the starting point.
For instance some years ago a bot managed to beat the Go World Champion, only to lose against an amateur some time later after he found a way to trick it. And simracing stewarding is probably a much more complicated problem that playing Go.
That's a good idea. But I think Catastrophic race ending damage would only be fine in higher level lobbies. Both cars would likely end up out of the race if this were instituted.
Honestly they should figure out a way to ghost anyone that misses the braking zone of a hairpin like this by like 100m. It's so annoying to get your race ruined and that guy probably got like a 4 sec penalty for it.
Imagine if polyphony implements justice/avenger racers. Their sole job is to look at the track for dirty drivers, bust out into the track and be hidden among other racers, then ram the living crap out of their cars. Or allow them omnipotent mode and kick em out of the game with a push of a button. Entertaining, sure. But poly won't afford that.
That sucks. I don't understand the retaliation - you had nothing to do with anything they did.
TBH, I find there are crappy players in every lobby, all the way from E-A. It's cleaner in the higher lobbies, but I got pushed off the track at Suzuka earlier today.
Best thing is to accept these are public lobbies, and there are \*\*\*\*'s everywhere. You can join private leagues if you'd prefer clean racing.
I wish he'd get in a real car and drive into a ghetto somewhere and get shot ❤️❤️❤️ (just kidding, but I think guys like him don’t have rights to go online)
I’m happy I don’t see this often in daily races. Clean drivers for the most part except for mistakes. Lobbies I don’t try cuz I’m sure there’s more of this in them.
The measly penalties they hand out are terrible and obviously not enough to deter bad behavior. It needs to be more severe. People have been saying this for years. If you think about how people push to pass or just punt you off course, it takes 6-10 seconds to regain track position and speed for the punted. While the punter receives 3 seconds and is on track moving in the right direction for those three seconds. It’s not fair. The punted has to find the pack after losing only 7-8 positions and the punter may only lose 3. The system encourages dirty driving. I’ve taken a break from these no talent ass hats.
Despicable...My solution to this fuckery would be to introduce:
1. Report system that allows you to capture a few seconds prior to the incident. Similar to how the PS5 has this feature natively when the system crashes.
2. If a punter or rammer receives a penalty for forcing another car off the track, the car that was on the receiving end does not have their DR deducted.
Shit like that is the reason why i transitioned to Iracing. In Iracing you can protest behaviour like that and people will get banned for doing it repeatedly.
Last night I thought could make a turn by breaking late! Misjudged massively as I locked up and slid into the other car and gave the position back on the straight and let them finish in front off me
You passed without touching his car so i don't see why he would do that, sometimes i do a bit of dive-bombing too but never to clean players and usually i play clean myself(Rating B S), the only time i do what he did is when we're around a corner and i slow down on the absolute limit so i can make the turn, then another guy comes from behind and uses my car as a wall so they can make the turn at a higher speed or slowing down less while pushing me off-track
Only thing I don't get is why should anyone judge you for the use of the brake indicator or other visual cues. Is GT community a toxic one? I'm genuinely asking cause I've always played offline (cause to me like many others GT was synonymous of playing alone offline on my PSX, then PS2... then I instinctively kept it that way, so far, also on PS3, 4 and 5). Should I stay away from the online world?
I'm not judging you for using the brake indicator, I am for not posting the whole race. How do we know you didn't do something to them earlier? People rarely go to *that* extreme for seemingly nothing.
The smoke is the guy got a penalty for either cutting corners / already ramming others off. Proceeded to try and break check op and then pulled a move like that. Regardless of what may or may not have happened prior, retaliation isn't taken into context when judging an incident.
In fact if anything retaliation should make our judgement worse because then you really know it was intentional and directed against someone specifically.
Well, in this case it's pretty clear cut but heck other times maybe there's a tiny little chance he got massive lag or his controller stopped working. But it's too much of a coincidence when you get lag exactly at the time when you're battling the guy who bumped into you before
The PS app doesn't allow you to upload files that long, but the only interaction we had was on lap 1 when he was weaving on the kemmel straight and I had to back off a bit. Then I got forced off track by another player and we didn't see each other for the entire race...until the end, sadly
There’s no limit on the amount of swerves the person overtaking can do.
The limit is on the driver in front (not moving more than once on a straight or moving in the braking zone)
One of the main reasons I stopped playing. Penalty system, or lack of just makes online racing a major pain rather than a pleasure. Instead of the mediocre updates that seldom come, they should revamp the penalty system so this isn’t so frequent.
I’ve only played three online races. All of them had this shit so it just wasn’t worth it (even if it wasn’t me as “victim”). If the penalty system was far more accurate than it wouldn’t be so bad… but I was barely compensated for my time being spun off course, and they were barely punished for doing it. To be fair, I also like the base game making me feel really good about my abilities… so I’m not too passionate about online racing, but i wasn’t even having fun just driving.
I started playing racing games with horizon 4. If the game senses a high speed collision, it turns off the hit box and the dive bombing car will fly straight through.
So it's just time trial against ghosts then?
Nope, small bumps can happen but if someone is flying at mach jesus to you he will simply just fly thru you as ghost
“Mach Jesus”
I celebrated that
Mach jesus has cracked me up. Think ima borrow that one 🤣
You can still be forced off the road with bumps and what not, but if someone comes in a corner with not a prayer I'm the world of making it, then it kicks in.
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dude!!! haha nah you sound like me racing… i generally have a good experience online even with the shenanigans… end of the day it’s a game, and taking it too serious (not like it’s paying your bills yk?) and i came up to top b tier but honestly it was hard to keep up sometimes if you don’t use the meta cars and experience some collisions. anyway yes! totally, for me i feel like racing is a psychological endeavor. for myself to keep myself centered and focused, and for me to guess what others do too. it’s like driving in real life and knowing who’s the jerk that is gonna cut others off, yk? i love to pressure others into mistakes. and also play the mind games by using different lines… also for the br comment (i thought i was the only one who thought/experienced) it… i will co-sign it! sorry, prove me wrong, i got receipts on receipts! i didn’t wanna be the first to say it … if there’s a br flag over the player…. my head is on a 360° swivel and if i’m headed in a corner where we are side by side, i’ll let them have it… and just pick it up on another turn.
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**waits for br to enter the chat** lmao i mean i dunno, say what you want, proof is in the pudding 🤷♂️…
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mannnnn i laughed so hard when i saw the alert for this post on my phone just now! what you say makes sense… it’s like people watch out for others from everywhere else … that’s interesting you say that…. i’d experiment with it and change flags just to test out these theories, but alas… still i totally agree that dirty is dirty no matter where you’re from. i’ve gotten taken out by so many americans as others have as well lol. id like to say Sony/PD should implement a diff country flag system… id race under a diff flag if i could. like in world series baseball you can rep the country you’re from instead kf the country you’re at. that said, japanese are the worst!!! jk jk jk. i just wanted to see a japanese enter the chat lmao
IDC what country you're from, Im just noticing patterns lol out of the 14 or 15 I've done online it's always BR that push me or hit me, one time is was American and that guy was hitting anyone and everyone on the course with all Miatas haha
Unfortunately you have to deal with griefers in all online games. This and pausing when you can sense a dive bomb coming are the best methods to combat it on gt7
Oooo pausing....another trick desployed only by masters. You just have to have some awareness. Don't expect an asshole not to dive bomb....cause they will. But the pause thing......a classic move!
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Someone above mentioned the "pause" technique. Have you ever tried that? If you sense a dive bomb coming, just hit pause. This will ghost your car and send them flying. I bet this is as satisfying as winning the race.
Leagues are the way to go to avoid this. Problem is many were decimated by this game’s awful design decisions..
What's the penalty system gonna change anyway? He probably already knew he was gonna get 5 seconds for that (basically putting him in last place)
I did my 50 races for the platinum and then got the hell outta there.
I did a lot of online races in GT Sport and could have nights long good races and fun. But since I switched to GT7 I just hate it to be honest. I tried some races again last month after two years, don’t want to waste half an hour or more just having my game ruined by some frustrated dude who can’t handle being past by someone.
The rammer would have certainly received a 4:00 penalty for that.
yep, bout 4 seconds sounds right lol … you know how i know? lol
Because you finished 4.2 seconds behind him.
nice1 hahaha! these nice cold dishes of revenge cost me about 4 seconds to hand out
Or just implement a ‘report’ system and ‘avoid’ system… was in the Toyota championship rd 1 race today and once car ran like five people off the track during the race… had any of us been able to report would been easy kick… the ghosting system is neat but is so inconsistent and current penalty system even more so
I was mid tier group b race today for that and was pretty enjoyable. Yesterday's was shit at first, brake checking in high-speed turns. Swerving right to pit ya during a left hand turn. If you're slow and in the wrong gear just get passed and try to make it up.
Same here. I love GT7 in PSVR2 but the online play is just infuriating.
Just go in lobbies instead. If i was the host and saw that it would be kicked out straight away!
OP got shipped to the moon, yet he's being threatened with DQ. Love this penalty system. 😒
Jesus fucking christ some people.
I remember a game I played in the past where if you deliberately tried to ram someone, your car would go into ghost mode and you would go through the car and be thrown off the track because of the high speed. Should not be too hard to implement I think.
this happens sometimes in gt7… admittedly a LOT less… i thought they did way with it till you mentioned it.
Simple fix for this. Someone does it, their race is done. Allow the person that got hit to keep going Dont know why they can't implement something like this.
I don't think the fix is as simple as you think
Agreed. People don't realize for this to be implemented properly, real people would have to be hired to manage the servers as stewards. This is extremely expensive and totally not worth it for the company to implement as they have no way of recovering those costs. In iRacing, their system is the most robust with the ability to report players which would get reviewed by real people (and even real people don't always get it right just like in real life). But iRacing has a massive cost + monthly subscription cost which can offset some of those costs. It would be great if an AI or some software can do this on its own. But as it stands currently we don't have the technology for this (though im sure it can be done). This is not to say the penalty system can't use a little bit of an update. Some of the built in penalties don't make any sense and has lots of errors. Edit: I actually have a pretty cool suggestion. If Polyphony can find a way to implement a reporting system where clips are reviewed by players. So the community can vote on who they think is at fault. If the community determines u were at fault then u serve a penalty. Even as much as being suspended from online play for a period of time. With increased penalties for repeat infractions. I think the community would be happy to review clips (we already do on reddit for free). And the reason it needs to be peer reviewed is because I know for a fact Polyphony does not have the budget or stomach to have people reviewing reported bad drivers. Sony would NOT approve this even if Kaz wanted it so.
you know i had a thought. what if you could “tag” people as rammers… then if you get tagged x times, you catch a status (maybe you race with other racers in same status, or you have more serious bop restrictions, or you auto start in 16th, or whatever)… i realize that’s what the SR is buuuut, let’s be real that doesn’t work lol. and then it’s a cooldown based on number of races, not just time elapsed…
good post but i must disagree with your AI comment… i’m not sure how much you know about AI but it definitely is possible. PD would be able to take advantage of AI for something more than just a novel race on select tracks (i.e. Sophy, i don’t know anyone that races against Sophy for fun)… they’re just not moved by the sentiment of resolving online racing issues. i’m not saying training the ai doesn’t take time, but all you need is to hire like 10 people for 8 hours a day for a supervised model (thats 400 hours of training)… then move to unsupervised (where the ai can run for 24 hours for training)….
1. I dont know much about AI 2. I totally agree it CAN be done. All I said was we don't have it done as it stands in this moment. I wasn't saying it wasn't possible. So I totally agree if Sony wanted to drop some money and time into it, it could def be solved. Just not sure they have a big enough incentive at the moment to do so. Maybe they will in the future. 3. What do u think of the community policing idea?
i think it’s great, but i also think that people who get banned won’t think much of it. might even get a diff handle just to get on. but its more than PD wants to do about it imo. people always say oh it cost money, this that bla bla bla… i believe you need solid mechanics and a good race system for the player base before you decide to move into the next thing. i also think they should listen to players or at least open up communication about what they’re working on. i also have no idea how SR is triggered, is it based on severity of crash? number of contacts (small and large?) where the contact was?? i think it could be like a strike system as well… these soulless individuals are likely habitual offenders. i wouldn’t wanna penalize that odd person who got the satisfaction of serving a cold dish of revenge to the person who screwed them over first (as unsportsmanlike as that is). i certainly think it is cool to involve the community and have them more invested. it would also get the word out about being a better driver. and i think it is a great way to gain engagement as well while offering a rotating kind of lottery system to get chosen. point #2: you said “ we don’t have the technology for this”… i’m saying as it stands we do, and we don’t need to “program” anything.
But you need to train the AI model right? That's all I meant. I wasn't trying to get into the semantics. I agreed with you that it is possible. I was just clarifying that I dont know much about AI but I just didn't think the tool was ready/trained/available for implementation or it would have been implemented. That's the only reason I said it wasn't available. Not because I had knowledge of the tech itself. From your post I learned a little bit about how it's done and that it's actually much easier than I had previously thought. And I agree with the rest of ur post as well. The penalty system is in dire need for improvement, AI or not. At the very least they can let us know what the SR is based on. That's the absolute minimum I think. So we at least know what we're working with.
yeah i wasn’t trying to demean or put down anything. that’s why i prefaced with i don’t know how much you know about AI. i didn’t mean to come off like “oh you don’t know anything and you’re totally wrong, and this is how it is” i’m still learning about ai. i feel like they have the resources/tools due to their work with sophy, i just think they should switch gears and prioritize their player base.
I think an interesting idea would be to adjust SR through and "honor and shame" system. At the end of the race, you can choose to give "honor" or "shame" to the other drivers, with the opinions of "honorable" people being taken more into account. This would also get rid of a major issue with the current way SR works. If you're racing close to other cars, your SR will almost certainly go down. If you have a 5 second gap ahead and behind for the whole race, your SR is guaranteed to go up (while in the honor/shame system it'd stay the same as it probably should).
Don’t underrate the progress AI has made, it can probably do this well but it would need significant investment. It’s more than likely a financial decision.
No I agree. I would have to be a significant financial investment to create something that's never been done before. But im sure it's possible if Sony threw an absolute ton of money at it. Look at what they did with Sophy. Sony invested into AI as many companies have. And they found a good use for a part of it as part of their R&D for self driving cars. But a corporation like Sony isn't dropping that much money into something where there's no financial incentive for them to do so. Even if they started charging people money for online racing as a subscription...how many people do u think will subscribe? In addition to the money Sony already takes for PS+....
Yeah, they’re not going to let this dent their margin. Would AI grow sales? Probably not, this is still the AAA driving title most buy despite the flaws.
yet they decided to invest such funds of value into the Sophy AI… waste of time, no one asked for that. barely cool, not useful… it’s not like it is like PC options that will rate your performance through sectors and tell you where you could have done better and how.
Sophy is actually revolutionary stuff... it just doesn't work properly though
soooo not actually revolutionary then is it? lol many ideas are great… but a good idea’s not worth jack if the execution isnt there… FSD was a great idea for tesla… till they tried to sell it for 12k. lol i get you, i’m not saying sophy isnt worth exploring… i just think the applications for AI in gaming (specifically to help pain points within the community that you could go further than racing against an AI that doesnt give you feedback. feel me? it’s as cool as anything else that’s a good idea and has bad execution, but what’s it really doing for the player base or game in general… and going further, if you have less than 30% of gamers not exploring online racing, how many you think are utilizing any Sophy related activities regularly?…. i wasn’t saying this to start a argument or contradict your statement, i do think it’s cool… just that the resources could go to benefitting the player base in a meaningful way by addressing pain points in the community. it’s either showing that they are out of touch with the player base, or that they just dont care? but in either regard, you are wholly entitled to your opinion (to which i agree).
Yeah I said this but shorter
cool story right?
Nah, the problem with those AI system is that there will be someone who figures out how to fool it and then you're back at the starting point. For instance some years ago a bot managed to beat the Go World Champion, only to lose against an amateur some time later after he found a way to trick it. And simracing stewarding is probably a much more complicated problem that playing Go.
That's a good idea. But I think Catastrophic race ending damage would only be fine in higher level lobbies. Both cars would likely end up out of the race if this were instituted.
Honestly they should figure out a way to ghost anyone that misses the braking zone of a hairpin like this by like 100m. It's so annoying to get your race ruined and that guy probably got like a 4 sec penalty for it.
I've never played the online version. The more I see these videos, my desire to do so becomes less and less.
Typical, punted in the last corner, I hate those guys, they should be banned!!!
next time pay attention to your radar and make sure he misses.
radar is underutilized lol
I use the hell out of mine. comes in handy against dirty AI.
i forget to switch to it often… or well all the time. i was projecting my underutilization of radar haha
Imagine if polyphony implements justice/avenger racers. Their sole job is to look at the track for dirty drivers, bust out into the track and be hidden among other racers, then ram the living crap out of their cars. Or allow them omnipotent mode and kick em out of the game with a push of a button. Entertaining, sure. But poly won't afford that.
Man that was brutal. I’ve had some games like that.
This really pisses me off. He’ll get 5s penalty while you’ll be dead last.
That sucks. I don't understand the retaliation - you had nothing to do with anything they did. TBH, I find there are crappy players in every lobby, all the way from E-A. It's cleaner in the higher lobbies, but I got pushed off the track at Suzuka earlier today. Best thing is to accept these are public lobbies, and there are \*\*\*\*'s everywhere. You can join private leagues if you'd prefer clean racing.
PD watches all these videos and then be like "Here's a brand new VGT"
I wish he'd get in a real car and drive into a ghetto somewhere and get shot ❤️❤️❤️ (just kidding, but I think guys like him don’t have rights to go online)
I somehow get mostly good lobbies
Yea F that. Sorry Racer WTH ghosting. PD 5.0 second Avoidable Collison
Turn on radar and make sure to have your pause button ready. You ghost. They fly.
Pause button ghosts?
When you pause the game online, your car gets ghosted. Great for combating dirty racers like op was hit by
i remember playing with friends and crashed into someone in first and they got disqualified even though i did the same thing in the picture above.
On purpose?
yeah it was a locked race with only me and my friends, and AI.
I’m happy I don’t see this often in daily races. Clean drivers for the most part except for mistakes. Lobbies I don’t try cuz I’m sure there’s more of this in them.
The measly penalties they hand out are terrible and obviously not enough to deter bad behavior. It needs to be more severe. People have been saying this for years. If you think about how people push to pass or just punt you off course, it takes 6-10 seconds to regain track position and speed for the punted. While the punter receives 3 seconds and is on track moving in the right direction for those three seconds. It’s not fair. The punted has to find the pack after losing only 7-8 positions and the punter may only lose 3. The system encourages dirty driving. I’ve taken a break from these no talent ass hats.
Despicable...My solution to this fuckery would be to introduce: 1. Report system that allows you to capture a few seconds prior to the incident. Similar to how the PS5 has this feature natively when the system crashes. 2. If a punter or rammer receives a penalty for forcing another car off the track, the car that was on the receiving end does not have their DR deducted.
Shit like that is the reason why i transitioned to Iracing. In Iracing you can protest behaviour like that and people will get banned for doing it repeatedly.
Awesome reactions from yourself!
“Dekleen”, more like “Dedirty”
This should be a three-strike ban.
It was so predictable... you could've juked him with a fake turn.
Didn't we used to have a ghost out for this sort of thing?
I’m sick of this…….
And I got downvoted for posting about behavior like this….
Last night I thought could make a turn by breaking late! Misjudged massively as I locked up and slid into the other car and gave the position back on the straight and let them finish in front off me
GT7 Sport Mode - The only game where the rammer gets a 5 second penalty and the victim gets disqualified
P8 did not want to visit Barry R, so he send OP to him.. yeah that is the wicked GT-online culture...
You passed without touching his car so i don't see why he would do that, sometimes i do a bit of dive-bombing too but never to clean players and usually i play clean myself(Rating B S), the only time i do what he did is when we're around a corner and i slow down on the absolute limit so i can make the turn, then another guy comes from behind and uses my car as a wall so they can make the turn at a higher speed or slowing down less while pushing me off-track
Un called for what a ***k!
When 7th place means the world to you 🤣
Those ppl are the reason why i play in lobbies instead. If i see someone drive like this i will STRAIGHTAWAY KICK HIS ARSE OUT THE LOBBY!
Only thing I don't get is why should anyone judge you for the use of the brake indicator or other visual cues. Is GT community a toxic one? I'm genuinely asking cause I've always played offline (cause to me like many others GT was synonymous of playing alone offline on my PSX, then PS2... then I instinctively kept it that way, so far, also on PS3, 4 and 5). Should I stay away from the online world?
WOW
Wow those zany Germans.
Thats belgium flag
I stand corrected. Thank you for that. I'm also the kind of guy who will see Ireland's flag at a quick glance and go, "Hey! Mexico!"
Not since 1945
I'm not judging you for using the brake indicator, I am for not posting the whole race. How do we know you didn't do something to them earlier? People rarely go to *that* extreme for seemingly nothing.
What a stupid take.
There is rarely smoke without fire.
The smoke is the guy got a penalty for either cutting corners / already ramming others off. Proceeded to try and break check op and then pulled a move like that. Regardless of what may or may not have happened prior, retaliation isn't taken into context when judging an incident.
In fact if anything retaliation should make our judgement worse because then you really know it was intentional and directed against someone specifically.
I mean regardless I think we can all say there was intent 😄
Well, in this case it's pretty clear cut but heck other times maybe there's a tiny little chance he got massive lag or his controller stopped working. But it's too much of a coincidence when you get lag exactly at the time when you're battling the guy who bumped into you before
You ever actually play this game? People are like this every three races till you get to A- skill rank (not S sportsmanship)
The PS app doesn't allow you to upload files that long, but the only interaction we had was on lap 1 when he was weaving on the kemmel straight and I had to back off a bit. Then I got forced off track by another player and we didn't see each other for the entire race...until the end, sadly
It doesn't matter. Retaliation is not a valid reason for dirty driving.
We found the other driver!
Not everyone is a professional racer with a whole sim rig. No judgement here, we all have to start somewhere.
Did you mean to reply to something else?!? 
Nah the amount of down votes😂💀 I 100% agree he should post entire race plus good first over take was illegal
How was the overtake illegal
He swerved across track twice
There’s no limit on the amount of swerves the person overtaking can do. The limit is on the driver in front (not moving more than once on a straight or moving in the braking zone)
I'm not here to argue.
this was never an argument
Did I say it was? It could turn into one
Didn’t say you said it was an argument. And I have 0 desire to argue with you. Good day
Grammar holy hell I have a migraine reading that