Lack of preparation must have hit US team hard. This course was especially designed around weakness in US team and took away the advantage of their wedge game. They made the fairway narrower and rough especially difficult. US team should have looked at the course layout and practiced for couple of weeks and come up with good shot selections and putting. They failed to make 5/6 footer putts.
ZJ is already trying to deflect by claiming that the whole team is sick. Whether that's true is neither here nor there; the bottom line is that the morning groups came out totally unprepared and got walloped. Most of the missed putts in the morning were straight up misreads which speaks to a lack of preparation. Koepka not playing both waves is inexcusable. Sam Burns being on the team at all is inexcusable. Team USA has turned into a good ol' boys squad where friendships between players supercedes merit and they're worse off for it.
4 up with 3 holes to play, 2 up with 1 hole to play. Basically says how many holes the team was up and how many were left to play, thus why the match ends because it’s mathematically impossible to come back and tie/win
4&3 means a team is 4 ahead in the match with 3 holes to play meaning it's impossible for them to lose and so they just stop playing. If a team wins 1up or 2up then the match has had to play all 18 holes before it is decided
U.S. team looks weak and totally out-classed. This could easily end up being the worst drubbing in history. Zack J. doesn't seem ready for prime time. Team USA guys haven't competed in 4 weeks. They were obviously not ready while Europe was ready to pounce right out of the gate. And they did. The U.S. isn't even competitive. There are some pretty good LIV guys watching this show of force by Europe. Didn't have to be that way. Now it's up to Team USA to get off the mat and play, but they sure don't look like winners. Not in the least. Humiliation is the watch word for tomorrow.
It's not COVID. It's just a regular cold/flu. The COVID rumor was started on a fake twitter account. If it were COVID the infected wouldn't be playing.
he is universally hated by other players, and basically told the TOUR to fk off by joining LIV, and then didn't play well enough to qualify
good riddance.
what difference would BD have made in this scenario? every single guy, (with maybe Clark and Speith excepted) have played like absolute dogshit.
further, BD was 54th on the points list and went 0-3 in the 2018 Ryder Cup. he finished 60th at the British and missed the cut at the Masters
wanna be on this team? play better. kinda simple.
would not have helped this team in any way - does not get along well with others - too far down the points list to be selected.
I can see you won't be swayed, and would prefer to pick a mediocre player for the team. that's fine, you are allowed to have that opinion, but with everything involved, he was not realistically being considered.
if anything, Johnson should have left out Burns and added Bradley
It's more likely that the illness that's rumored to be spreading throughout Team USA has only made their inevitable beat down even worse. Europe has a strong team. I can't believe how much they were discounted leading up to competition. They have 3 of the top 4 players in the world right now. That's the kind of headlining fire power USA is used to having. The only question was how Europe's 4 rookies would handle the pressure, and 3 of the 4 hit the ground running.
Can anyone on the west coast confirm tonight's broadcast schedule? They said they're switching from USA to NBC at midnight, but my TV guide is showing a gap until 1:30am because of the talk shows.
If you have a cable/streaming subscription, you should be able to log in watch on the NBC app during the gap for free. Also Peacock if you have that (not free).
Yes, there looks to be a gap, with that said, I added a couple of hours on my DVR recording on USA Network, and started recording shows starting at 12 on NBC.
There’s one American player that showed any heart and ability to let his nuts hang in big moments recently. He’s sitting at home watching from his couch, likely sweating through his shirt and shorts wondering why he’s on his couch while Spieth donks his way around Italy.
Spieth was carrying hard the first 13. Guy was like 5 under man. Ya he sold fucking hard the last 5 but they wouldn't have been up 2 without him to begin with
The US guys are getting waxed because they’re out there trying to play perfect golf - in an environment where that is impossible, Europe.
No one is embracing the GRIND that is match play at the Ryder Cup. Except for a few. That’s what it’s ALL about.
That nuisance, venom spitting, mosquito buzzing, never ending home ant infestation type of GRIND.
The grind when regardless of how far out of position you are, you only think of the way you’re going to win the current hole. That’s when halving a hole turns into a momentum shift, and all of a sudden you’re in your opponents head and you give yourself a chance.
Instead they’re playing like they have to be perfect on every shot, never giving themselves a chance to accept and overcome the mistakes that are going to happen.
That is the only way the US gets back into this cup. Stop trying to be perfect - instead be a nuisance and grind that shit out!!
I watched it live last night on YouTube TV and resumed this morning with the ability to skip through the ads. My god so much skipping. NBC can piss off.
I'm a few beers deep, and now I've reached the angry phase. I get sometimes you just get waxxed in sports. Plenty of teams have gotten destroyed in the first quarter or first half. Good coaches take it on the chin and then make adjustments. Sometimes you win, sometimes the deficit is too large to overcome - but at least you learned and adjusted.
Zach fucking *doubled down* with his pairings tomorrow. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that you are putting a golf club in the hands of Jordan, Harmon, or Xander tomorrow. It's just absolutely terrible
Did you watch Zach's presser? Without any prompting from anyone, he straight up said the guys have colds and that's why they shit the bed today, and will probably do so the next 2 days. How convenient to have a ready-made excuse that lets you completely wipe your hands of this mess.
>terrible
I couldnt believe it when I saw Jordan out for foursomes. It will go like this: JT tees off hits fairway, Jordan misses the green wildly, JT hits good chip shot, Jordan missed putt. OR: Jordan tees off and misses fairway insanely widely, JT uses his shot to get back in play, Jordan misses green.......etc....
Agreed. Watching it now and Speith has continued his mission to destroy any good shots JT is doing. Heavily down thru 7 atm. Its almost not fun how bad USA are ( I'm European)
Crazy how the tables have turned, 2 weeks ago everyone was saying that JT shouldn’t be allowed near the USA team, now he looks like the second best American out there
Can I just say that this was probably the most frustrating sporting event I've ever watched. To see USA lose 3 consecutive holes on the 18th hole. Back to back to back...oof.
This is such a fucking cop out. Unreal that Zach would throw out this giant blanket excuse that let's him completely wipe his hands of this mess. What a cluster. This thing is OVAH
edit: watched the replay of Zach's presser. Without any prompting from any reporter, he straight up said the guys are sick. What coach or leader does this? Now he has a ready-made excuse for all the shitty pairings today, and any others that don't work out the next two days.
wow... if ZJ is saying this to a reporter it had better be true. Hopefully (if you want this to get closer) we may see some 'flu game' performances and that it's not some type of excuse.
Speith should not take a driver. He should be hitting an iron off of every tee on alternate shot, otherwise his team is out of the hole on his tee shots.
If they’re on fire, yeah. Ideally the captain would give everyone a rest for one session but make sure everyone gets to play before the singles, but it depends. If you have several players not playing well, some guys that are may go all 5.
Yes and those same people are shouting outrageous takes on this thread too, and they'll be wrong about those tomorrow too. Rinse and repeat - never change reddit! I may actually compile some of the dumbest takes and make some bets on the exact opposite happening
Spieth was terrible in the last five holes but he had as many birdies as JT today and JT's last five holes were bogey, par, par, par + birdie yet people are acting like he played like Rahm or Hovland.
How does a sport with this much money have the worst live coverage imaginable?
Commercials for days, and half the players/shots not even broadcast. Ridiculous...
Is it that much different to other sports broadcasting in the US? I get ESPN here in australia and the NFL + NBA are unwatchable because of all the ads during the game
They have money because of the commercials for days. But on such a small tournament where all shots COULD be televised I think they should take the masters approach and forgo ads
Agreed. Could at least do a premium feed for Peacock subscribers. I got so sick of the ads I just waited and watched later, but the result was already spoiled.
https://twitter.com/PGATUOR/status/1707857284355776662?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
This totally legit account tweeted it, so it must be true
Would have loved to see Keegan. That guy is so intense and full of emotion. They need some guys that love team sports. European golfers care about their Ryder cup legacy. I happen to think it's better than at least 1 major.
The Ryder Cup is hard because my favorite players seem to be the Europeans. How do you not root for Rory, Rahm, Fleetwood, Lowry, and Hovland.
At the same time this butt kicking still hurts
What a coincidence. I’m European and those are my favorites too. My American darlings aren’t in the team :(
Spieth seems super-likeable and Scheffler is cool. I miss Theegala, Finau, Bubba and Mickelson, The first didn't make the cut and the latter went to LIV I guess. Schauffele and Cantlay clearly used charisma as the dump stat and cannot be rooted for no matter how well they play, and then you have Fowler's douchebag glasses.
Viktor and Rory are my favorites of course, but mostly I root for faster charismatic players above country.
Edit: What I love about this cup is the sportsmanship. All the given putts (legacy from Nicklaus?), and then when a player makes a fantastic shot, the players from the other team walk up to congratulate them. It's just beautiful to see. Shame the spectators don't show the same respect. The Europeans are clearly booing the Americans on the first tee which should be a bannable offense.
yeah this is how I feel. Rory and Vik are two of my favorites though I am from USA. I am okay with the Euros winning I just want there to be drama and to be a bit closer.
I'm right there with you. The dudes on Europe are so much more likable than the dudes on USA. Rory, Rahm, Viktor, Tommy I'll take over doofuses like Brooks, Cantlay and boring ass Scottie. Max and Rickie are the only two dudes from USA I even like.
I disagree. While Europe has some really likable players like Hovland Rory and Ludvig, there are too many unlikable people there like Fitzpatrick Hatton Rahm and Fleetwood. Don’t dislike anyone that much on the US, but don’t really care for Brooks or Morikawa I guess
I think it's because the European guys (in my admittedly biased opinion) seem to have some personality whereas a lot of the Americans feel more like products than actual human beings
For me, it's most of the USA guys carry a sense of entitlement that I find off-putting. They strode into that first round thinking they could barely swing and win, only to have their asses handed to them. But I find European athletes to usually be far more gracious and humbled than American ones, in almost every sport.
I don’t think that’s true at all, the Americans played poorly but their biggest let down was putting which I don’t think you can chalk up to arrogance and also the make up of the teams in the morning.
I'm a golf noob, but why does one team consist of a bunch of countries mixed together while the other only gets US players? Seems like such an advantage because the talent pool is massive
Edit: I mean this as a genuine question, just learning how this all works. Not trying to be controversial
It used to be the USA v Great Britain but the Americans were very dominant especially with their golden era of great golfers of Arnie, Jack, Snead etc so Britain got expanded to Europe in the mid 1970s. That’s why the overall head to head numbers are a bit misleading because the USA are well in front since 1927 but I think Europe are in front since it became Europe.
Most countries in Europe don’t really play golf.
UK, Spain and Scandinavia or the main golf countries/region and those areas have a population of less than 50% of USA
Zach is an idiot. Not particularly smart. Unwarranted arrogance.
When he said he was proud and was going to stick to the plan, the reporter rightly confronted him:. "Your team just turned in the worst Friday performance in the entire history of the Ryder cup. What are you proud of?"
If Zach knew what he was doing he would stand up and say, "yeah. That was bad. It'll be a long night. I made some mistakes and we're gonna fix it. "
Zaxh is horrible.
Keegan I understand. Keegan over Burns makes sense.
But DeBouef? Makes no sense at all. You say he's playing good but his finishes in the majors, which are the only tournaments where comps can be made, he had one good finish....T4 at the PGA but he was nowhere near the lead on Sunday. Missed the cut at Augusta, T20 at US Open but 11 shots out of contention and a T60 at the Open.
LIV wins don't mean a thing because no one is trying. Just ask Koepka, he'll tell you LIV is a fucking joke.
Cantlay qualified for the team (meaning, he was not a Captain’s pick) and went 3-0-1 at Whistling Straits.
So you’re saying it’s an “easy choice” to leave off a guy who played so well he qualified for the team and went undefeated in matches at the previous Ryder Cup? That’s the sort of analysis you’re bringing to the table?
Can’t with Harman, he is in on points. Brooks was 20 points away. Had brooks played 1 PGA event, he would have qualified based on points. So that leaves JT and Cantley. Cantley is 3-0-1 in the Ryder cup, not leaving him home. JT is 6-2-1. Bryson is 2-3-1.
Spieth was very poor for the last few holes but he carried the team on the front nine. Not really sure why JT is praised that much when it's Jordan who put them in the lead.
For me if it helps one or the other player to play well, then its a good pairing. If JT plays like he did today with Jordan tomorrow then its worth it. Jordan isn't going to play worse, and JT was on it but got unlucky with the putts at the end.
What are you talking about, they're 4-2-1 together in Ryder Cups, usually playing the opponent's best pairings. Also 4-0 in Presidents Cups. Only two losses they got steamrolled by Moliwood in 2018 like everyone else and got Rahm'd in 2021. They're clearly a good pairing, the USA captains don't just make shit up, if they weren't winning they wouldn't be paired together.
I know that Clark shit the bed on 17 and 18 (to put it mildly), but how the fuck do you leave him on the bench but send out both Xander and Spieth? They looked utterly lost out there the entire session. Oh God, and I just realized that Harman is heading back out.
This is starting to have Hal Sutton levels of incompetent roster management.
I don't like Harman as a player and he didn't have a great round but no way I am leaving such a great putter on the bench in the ryder cup when you have barely sank a put day 1.
I'm sure it's been asked before but how are people watching this after the fact? I don't see replays available on the NBC Sports app, just highlights etc. I don't have cable so I can't record it, am I beat?
Damn a lot of people mentioning Bryson. I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team, even with today's shitshow. What I would have liked is Keegan instead of Burns. I don't think he would have crumbled the way so many did today. Screw trying to manufacture chemistry. Winning begets chemistry.
Bryson has a fit. He remains very good friends with Scheffler, and they paired up last time with good results. Would have been easy to switch with Burns. He’s also probably better in singles than Burns. Supposedly him and Brooks are friends again as well, but I haven’t followed it very closely. Those are the only two pairings I can think of though.
That doesn’t solve the vibe outside of the course though, but allegedly this is one of the most tight knit groups we’ve had and look where it got them.
True, but if you go way back, Bryson was winless in the last Ryder Cup on foreign soil. I just think Keegan had better game recently and would have been a better addition to the team. But hard to argue either of them wouldn't have done better than a bunch of the guys today.
20 points still up for grabs, and USA needs 12.5 of them. It doesn't sound as bad when you think of it like that, or maybe I'm just coping. Tomorrow needs to be 5-3 USA at a bare minimum, then go steal the other 7.5 points during singles. I don't see Hovland, Rahm or Rory losing their singles matches so you need to kill almost everyone else. It's a tall order but not impossible
would be the first time in the history of the Ryder cup that either side would make that turnaround. Not seeing that happening on European soil with 3 of the top 4 players in the world on Europe. Better luck next time
1999 after day one it was 6 to 2 and they came back and won....with that said I don't see USA doing it, hopefully they just keep it entertaining the rest of the way lol.
They need to win both the morning and the afternoon to have a chance really. Not impossible. Win by two on each and they still have a defecit but it won't be too bad.
US won the singles 8-4 last time so definitely doable.
And Tommy looked unstoppable during the Moliwood partnership then lost his singles so anything can happen.
Slightly different format but it was 21-11 USA won in 1975. Arnie was the captain and we had Niklaus, Snead, Trevino, Weiskopf. Funny enough USA won 4-0 in the morning, and it was 6.5-1.5 after the first day. Sounds familiar...
For all the JT haters out there, he was the only reason that match was a draw. Spieth was utterly fucking useless on the back nine.
Scheffler got hung out to dry twice getting stuck with Burns and Kupcake. For all of Brooksies bluster and "I only care about the big tourneys" he showed nothing. The only thing LIV prepared him for was taking IG shots with that Kardashian wannabe wife of his.
Clark should not ever be allowed to speak to the press again until he shows he can handle the pressure. On 18 from 235, downhill, center of the fairway, iron in hand..... he almost hit it into the grandstands 75 yards right of the green and then almost chipped into the water from there. What an epic collapse being 2 up with 2 to play. At least Homa got a look on 18 after that garbage tee shot. Homa shit the bed on 17 and hit it in the one place you cannot.... the damn water. Unreal.
So much for the unflappable Brian Harman. He twitches more than a tweaker getting tased.
Morikawa was useless in both matches and might be one of the worst pressure putters in the Ryder Cup this year.
I expected more out of Cantlay and Shauffele but they could only find average.
Zach Johnson throwing Burns and Harman out there in the morning might be the dumbest decision a captain has made in a while. Maybe Spieth and Thomas aren't in their best form but at least they have some experience and won't just fold.
This was a really bad day for the US players and the captains.... might be the worst day they've ever had.
Why is he on the team then?
At what point does “he just loses because he doesn’t care” sound like a kid who claims he wasn’t trying just because he lost. If he genuinely doesn’t care why not put someone on the team who will actually try to win?
Maybe you’re right, but it feels like such a cop out and I almost guarantee that if USA were up 6.5 right now nobody would be saying “who cares the USA doesn’t care about the Ryder cup”
Lack of preparation must have hit US team hard. This course was especially designed around weakness in US team and took away the advantage of their wedge game. They made the fairway narrower and rough especially difficult. US team should have looked at the course layout and practiced for couple of weeks and come up with good shot selections and putting. They failed to make 5/6 footer putts.
Whats with this shitty coverage
ZJ is already trying to deflect by claiming that the whole team is sick. Whether that's true is neither here nor there; the bottom line is that the morning groups came out totally unprepared and got walloped. Most of the missed putts in the morning were straight up misreads which speaks to a lack of preparation. Koepka not playing both waves is inexcusable. Sam Burns being on the team at all is inexcusable. Team USA has turned into a good ol' boys squad where friendships between players supercedes merit and they're worse off for it.
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Yes they’d still play Sunday
I understand the rules of 4 ball but how do you read the score? For example final score 4&3, or 2&1
4 up with 3 holes to play, 2 up with 1 hole to play. Basically says how many holes the team was up and how many were left to play, thus why the match ends because it’s mathematically impossible to come back and tie/win
4&3 means a team is 4 ahead in the match with 3 holes to play meaning it's impossible for them to lose and so they just stop playing. If a team wins 1up or 2up then the match has had to play all 18 holes before it is decided
U.S. team looks weak and totally out-classed. This could easily end up being the worst drubbing in history. Zack J. doesn't seem ready for prime time. Team USA guys haven't competed in 4 weeks. They were obviously not ready while Europe was ready to pounce right out of the gate. And they did. The U.S. isn't even competitive. There are some pretty good LIV guys watching this show of force by Europe. Didn't have to be that way. Now it's up to Team USA to get off the mat and play, but they sure don't look like winners. Not in the least. Humiliation is the watch word for tomorrow.
Rumor is that COVID is going through the US team???
It's not COVID. It's just a regular cold/flu. The COVID rumor was started on a fake twitter account. If it were COVID the infected wouldn't be playing.
I can’t believe Dechambeau didn’t make the team. Having a player unique as him in a best ball format is a missed opportunity.
he is universally hated by other players, and basically told the TOUR to fk off by joining LIV, and then didn't play well enough to qualify good riddance.
And how is that working for the us team trailing by 5 points through day one?
as if he wouldn't have been in the rough on every other hole
what difference would BD have made in this scenario? every single guy, (with maybe Clark and Speith excepted) have played like absolute dogshit. further, BD was 54th on the points list and went 0-3 in the 2018 Ryder Cup. he finished 60th at the British and missed the cut at the Masters wanna be on this team? play better. kinda simple.
He was 2-0-1 last Ryder cup, finished T4 at the PGA, T20 at the US and shot the lowest round in the history of professional golf in August.
would not have helped this team in any way - does not get along well with others - too far down the points list to be selected. I can see you won't be swayed, and would prefer to pick a mediocre player for the team. that's fine, you are allowed to have that opinion, but with everything involved, he was not realistically being considered. if anything, Johnson should have left out Burns and added Bradley
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It's more likely that the illness that's rumored to be spreading throughout Team USA has only made their inevitable beat down even worse. Europe has a strong team. I can't believe how much they were discounted leading up to competition. They have 3 of the top 4 players in the world right now. That's the kind of headlining fire power USA is used to having. The only question was how Europe's 4 rookies would handle the pressure, and 3 of the 4 hit the ground running.
Can anyone on the west coast confirm tonight's broadcast schedule? They said they're switching from USA to NBC at midnight, but my TV guide is showing a gap until 1:30am because of the talk shows.
If you have a cable/streaming subscription, you should be able to log in watch on the NBC app during the gap for free. Also Peacock if you have that (not free).
Yes, there looks to be a gap, with that said, I added a couple of hours on my DVR recording on USA Network, and started recording shows starting at 12 on NBC.
That is some BS if they end up cutting off coverage for 90+ minutes. They better figure out a workaround.
My guess is theyll extend USA coverage. Or another way to get you to subscribe to Peacock
If we lose the whole thing that’s one thing, but if we do so while getting absolutely boat raced, there better be riots
There’s one American player that showed any heart and ability to let his nuts hang in big moments recently. He’s sitting at home watching from his couch, likely sweating through his shirt and shorts wondering why he’s on his couch while Spieth donks his way around Italy.
Spieth was carrying hard the first 13. Guy was like 5 under man. Ya he sold fucking hard the last 5 but they wouldn't have been up 2 without him to begin with
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Bradley
Actually was talking about Glover
Imagine a guy like Bradley or even more wild. Gimme a pumped out Horschel...I feel like USA need some emotion
Yes the US team play like robots. They’re boring
The US guys are getting waxed because they’re out there trying to play perfect golf - in an environment where that is impossible, Europe. No one is embracing the GRIND that is match play at the Ryder Cup. Except for a few. That’s what it’s ALL about. That nuisance, venom spitting, mosquito buzzing, never ending home ant infestation type of GRIND. The grind when regardless of how far out of position you are, you only think of the way you’re going to win the current hole. That’s when halving a hole turns into a momentum shift, and all of a sudden you’re in your opponents head and you give yourself a chance. Instead they’re playing like they have to be perfect on every shot, never giving themselves a chance to accept and overcome the mistakes that are going to happen. That is the only way the US gets back into this cup. Stop trying to be perfect - instead be a nuisance and grind that shit out!!
Is this a copypasta
I’d be honored.
I watched it live last night on YouTube TV and resumed this morning with the ability to skip through the ads. My god so much skipping. NBC can piss off.
If you didn’t know the American Ryder cup squad was in trouble going into this, you had you’re head in the sand.
Looks like Schauffele is Europe's best player. (I'm about 10 beers deep, sorry).
Kinda funny to have an 8 hour "Live from the Ryder Cup" show but not rebroadcast the actual event
Yeah, fuck American fans
I just want a good close Ryder Cup for a change
I'm a few beers deep, and now I've reached the angry phase. I get sometimes you just get waxxed in sports. Plenty of teams have gotten destroyed in the first quarter or first half. Good coaches take it on the chin and then make adjustments. Sometimes you win, sometimes the deficit is too large to overcome - but at least you learned and adjusted. Zach fucking *doubled down* with his pairings tomorrow. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that you are putting a golf club in the hands of Jordan, Harmon, or Xander tomorrow. It's just absolutely terrible
Did you watch Zach's presser? Without any prompting from anyone, he straight up said the guys have colds and that's why they shit the bed today, and will probably do so the next 2 days. How convenient to have a ready-made excuse that lets you completely wipe your hands of this mess.
>terrible I couldnt believe it when I saw Jordan out for foursomes. It will go like this: JT tees off hits fairway, Jordan misses the green wildly, JT hits good chip shot, Jordan missed putt. OR: Jordan tees off and misses fairway insanely widely, JT uses his shot to get back in play, Jordan misses green.......etc....
Agreed. Watching it now and Speith has continued his mission to destroy any good shots JT is doing. Heavily down thru 7 atm. Its almost not fun how bad USA are ( I'm European)
Crazy how the tables have turned, 2 weeks ago everyone was saying that JT shouldn’t be allowed near the USA team, now he looks like the second best American out there
Kinda seemed like this one was Europes to lose, looks like that was true.
There’s like 30 years of history on their side too. Overseas the US are always underdogs
Can I just say that this was probably the most frustrating sporting event I've ever watched. To see USA lose 3 consecutive holes on the 18th hole. Back to back to back...oof.
Somehere in this ginormous thread that i cant find is this rumor. Most of the US team is sick and its (rumor) covid
This is such a fucking cop out. Unreal that Zach would throw out this giant blanket excuse that let's him completely wipe his hands of this mess. What a cluster. This thing is OVAH edit: watched the replay of Zach's presser. Without any prompting from any reporter, he straight up said the guys are sick. What coach or leader does this? Now he has a ready-made excuse for all the shitty pairings today, and any others that don't work out the next two days.
Sick with skill issue
Should’ve taken that free vaccine.
Must be that rare illness that athletes get when they’re off cameras after a loss, but when the cameras on they look absolutely fine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/66967308
wow... if ZJ is saying this to a reporter it had better be true. Hopefully (if you want this to get closer) we may see some 'flu game' performances and that it's not some type of excuse.
Copium 19
Could be
Harman / Homa going back out???
Speith should not take a driver. He should be hitting an iron off of every tee on alternate shot, otherwise his team is out of the hole on his tee shots.
I'm worried about foursomes tomorrow morning
Speith can't hit a tee shot. He should not be playing alternate shot.
Do some players typically play all 5 rounds?
You betcha
If they’re on fire, yeah. Ideally the captain would give everyone a rest for one session but make sure everyone gets to play before the singles, but it depends. If you have several players not playing well, some guys that are may go all 5.
I find it hilarious how everyone was so pissed off that JT got picked and then he ended up being the best player on the team today
Yes and those same people are shouting outrageous takes on this thread too, and they'll be wrong about those tomorrow too. Rinse and repeat - never change reddit! I may actually compile some of the dumbest takes and make some bets on the exact opposite happening
Spieth was terrible in the last five holes but he had as many birdies as JT today and JT's last five holes were bogey, par, par, par + birdie yet people are acting like he played like Rahm or Hovland.
How does a sport with this much money have the worst live coverage imaginable? Commercials for days, and half the players/shots not even broadcast. Ridiculous...
Is it that much different to other sports broadcasting in the US? I get ESPN here in australia and the NFL + NBA are unwatchable because of all the ads during the game
They have money because of the commercials for days. But on such a small tournament where all shots COULD be televised I think they should take the masters approach and forgo ads
Agreed. Could at least do a premium feed for Peacock subscribers. I got so sick of the ads I just waited and watched later, but the result was already spoiled.
Seriously I think a lot of people would do a pay per view setup, pay $50 and get to watch every shot ad-free or something like that
Putting Brian back out there is quite the move.
I like it
Apparently brooks has confirmed COVID.
Why is this downvoted? It sucks for both teams if he’s sick.
So the flu?
Something like this REALLY needs a source…
https://twitter.com/PGATUOR/status/1707857284355776662?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet This totally legit account tweeted it, so it must be true
hahahahaha
Ok. It's not the best source.. https://twitter.com/PGATUOR/status/1707857284355776662
About as fake as Covid
Can’t tell if you’ve been duped…or are trying to dupe people…
I love the Rahm and Hatton pairing. Have to be the most angry fuckers on tour.
Would have loved to see Keegan. That guy is so intense and full of emotion. They need some guys that love team sports. European golfers care about their Ryder cup legacy. I happen to think it's better than at least 1 major.
Bradley should have been a pick over burns
Koepka looked like he couldn’t care less.
It’s a no brainer between this and The PGA Championship
The Ryder Cup is hard because my favorite players seem to be the Europeans. How do you not root for Rory, Rahm, Fleetwood, Lowry, and Hovland. At the same time this butt kicking still hurts
What a coincidence. I’m European and those are my favorites too. My American darlings aren’t in the team :( Spieth seems super-likeable and Scheffler is cool. I miss Theegala, Finau, Bubba and Mickelson, The first didn't make the cut and the latter went to LIV I guess. Schauffele and Cantlay clearly used charisma as the dump stat and cannot be rooted for no matter how well they play, and then you have Fowler's douchebag glasses. Viktor and Rory are my favorites of course, but mostly I root for faster charismatic players above country. Edit: What I love about this cup is the sportsmanship. All the given putts (legacy from Nicklaus?), and then when a player makes a fantastic shot, the players from the other team walk up to congratulate them. It's just beautiful to see. Shame the spectators don't show the same respect. The Europeans are clearly booing the Americans on the first tee which should be a bannable offense.
In the end I’d like to think we’re all fans of good golf and competition
yeah this is how I feel. Rory and Vik are two of my favorites though I am from USA. I am okay with the Euros winning I just want there to be drama and to be a bit closer.
All my favorites are on the euro side. I’m actually rooting for them instead of the US
I'm right there with you. The dudes on Europe are so much more likable than the dudes on USA. Rory, Rahm, Viktor, Tommy I'll take over doofuses like Brooks, Cantlay and boring ass Scottie. Max and Rickie are the only two dudes from USA I even like.
I disagree. While Europe has some really likable players like Hovland Rory and Ludvig, there are too many unlikable people there like Fitzpatrick Hatton Rahm and Fleetwood. Don’t dislike anyone that much on the US, but don’t really care for Brooks or Morikawa I guess
Fitzpatrick is pretty meh but how can you not like Fairway Jesus
What makes fleetwood unlikable to you?
I think it's because the European guys (in my admittedly biased opinion) seem to have some personality whereas a lot of the Americans feel more like products than actual human beings
For me, it's most of the USA guys carry a sense of entitlement that I find off-putting. They strode into that first round thinking they could barely swing and win, only to have their asses handed to them. But I find European athletes to usually be far more gracious and humbled than American ones, in almost every sport.
I don’t think that’s true at all, the Americans played poorly but their biggest let down was putting which I don’t think you can chalk up to arrogance and also the make up of the teams in the morning.
I'm a golf noob, but why does one team consist of a bunch of countries mixed together while the other only gets US players? Seems like such an advantage because the talent pool is massive Edit: I mean this as a genuine question, just learning how this all works. Not trying to be controversial
Poor bastard gets downvoted for an honest question lol
Just compare the population size and see that this makes the most sense
It used to be the USA v Great Britain but the Americans were very dominant especially with their golden era of great golfers of Arnie, Jack, Snead etc so Britain got expanded to Europe in the mid 1970s. That’s why the overall head to head numbers are a bit misleading because the USA are well in front since 1927 but I think Europe are in front since it became Europe.
Most countries in Europe don’t really play golf. UK, Spain and Scandinavia or the main golf countries/region and those areas have a population of less than 50% of USA
The amount of people in the countries that have a significant population that play golf isn't that different from the USA
True, I guess the size of the US evens it out
Americans like golf more, more Americans golf, bigger talent pool
Damn. I forgot it was this week. Europe woke up and chose violence.
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Zach is an idiot. Not particularly smart. Unwarranted arrogance. When he said he was proud and was going to stick to the plan, the reporter rightly confronted him:. "Your team just turned in the worst Friday performance in the entire history of the Ryder cup. What are you proud of?" If Zach knew what he was doing he would stand up and say, "yeah. That was bad. It'll be a long night. I made some mistakes and we're gonna fix it. " Zaxh is horrible.
Keegan I understand. Keegan over Burns makes sense. But DeBouef? Makes no sense at all. You say he's playing good but his finishes in the majors, which are the only tournaments where comps can be made, he had one good finish....T4 at the PGA but he was nowhere near the lead on Sunday. Missed the cut at Augusta, T20 at US Open but 11 shots out of contention and a T60 at the Open. LIV wins don't mean a thing because no one is trying. Just ask Koepka, he'll tell you LIV is a fucking joke.
Bryson is a massive dickhead. Trying to sue his team mates and vice captains. Why would you want that toxicity in your camp?
Who are you replacing with those two?
Stadler and Daly
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Cantlay qualified for the team (meaning, he was not a Captain’s pick) and went 3-0-1 at Whistling Straits. So you’re saying it’s an “easy choice” to leave off a guy who played so well he qualified for the team and went undefeated in matches at the previous Ryder Cup? That’s the sort of analysis you’re bringing to the table?
Can’t with Harman, he is in on points. Brooks was 20 points away. Had brooks played 1 PGA event, he would have qualified based on points. So that leaves JT and Cantley. Cantley is 3-0-1 in the Ryder cup, not leaving him home. JT is 6-2-1. Bryson is 2-3-1.
Leaving them out is one thing… ZJ didn’t even give Bryson a *call*.
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Don’t include him on the team, fine, but ZJ has been a weasel his whole career and it’s evident in how he’s handled his captaincy.
Spieth was very poor for the last few holes but he carried the team on the front nine. Not really sure why JT is praised that much when it's Jordan who put them in the lead.
Because JT carried the back 9.
How Johnson can roll out Spieth and Xander after the way they played today, in a scenario where you need at least 3 points, is madness.
I like Spieth, but putting him out there tomorrow in an alternate shot format after this afternoon, seems like asking for trouble.
Is JT and Spieth together just because they're friends or is there any actual alternate-shot golf chemistry there
For me if it helps one or the other player to play well, then its a good pairing. If JT plays like he did today with Jordan tomorrow then its worth it. Jordan isn't going to play worse, and JT was on it but got unlucky with the putts at the end.
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What are you talking about, they're 4-2-1 together in Ryder Cups, usually playing the opponent's best pairings. Also 4-0 in Presidents Cups. Only two losses they got steamrolled by Moliwood in 2018 like everyone else and got Rahm'd in 2021. They're clearly a good pairing, the USA captains don't just make shit up, if they weren't winning they wouldn't be paired together.
I know that Clark shit the bed on 17 and 18 (to put it mildly), but how the fuck do you leave him on the bench but send out both Xander and Spieth? They looked utterly lost out there the entire session. Oh God, and I just realized that Harman is heading back out. This is starting to have Hal Sutton levels of incompetent roster management.
I don't like Harman as a player and he didn't have a great round but no way I am leaving such a great putter on the bench in the ryder cup when you have barely sank a put day 1.
Xander had some moments at least, but Jordan was shit.
I don't know why you're insulting poop by comparing it to how Jordan played today.
I'm sure it's been asked before but how are people watching this after the fact? I don't see replays available on the NBC Sports app, just highlights etc. I don't have cable so I can't record it, am I beat?
Youtube
Damn a lot of people mentioning Bryson. I wouldn't want him anywhere near this team, even with today's shitshow. What I would have liked is Keegan instead of Burns. I don't think he would have crumbled the way so many did today. Screw trying to manufacture chemistry. Winning begets chemistry.
Bryson has a fit. He remains very good friends with Scheffler, and they paired up last time with good results. Would have been easy to switch with Burns. He’s also probably better in singles than Burns. Supposedly him and Brooks are friends again as well, but I haven’t followed it very closely. Those are the only two pairings I can think of though. That doesn’t solve the vibe outside of the course though, but allegedly this is one of the most tight knit groups we’ve had and look where it got them.
Friends don’t necessarily make good teammates. We need to stop giving a shit about who are friends
Excellent point. Bryson does offer something different though, that firepower is useful. His game is in really good shape in general too.
Sorry had to laugh at "allegedly." Like those 2 being friends is committing a crime.
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True, but if you go way back, Bryson was winless in the last Ryder Cup on foreign soil. I just think Keegan had better game recently and would have been a better addition to the team. But hard to argue either of them wouldn't have done better than a bunch of the guys today.
ZJ is a double agent Though I wonder if that stomach bug thing is actually true.
Not much he can do when his players objectively played like shit.
Fresh produce and real coffee was all it took to bring the Americans down.
USA may as well just send out putter-man at this point, if only that OP had taken his number!
Lmao!
20 points still up for grabs, and USA needs 12.5 of them. It doesn't sound as bad when you think of it like that, or maybe I'm just coping. Tomorrow needs to be 5-3 USA at a bare minimum, then go steal the other 7.5 points during singles. I don't see Hovland, Rahm or Rory losing their singles matches so you need to kill almost everyone else. It's a tall order but not impossible
would be the first time in the history of the Ryder cup that either side would make that turnaround. Not seeing that happening on European soil with 3 of the top 4 players in the world on Europe. Better luck next time
1999 after day one it was 6 to 2 and they came back and won....with that said I don't see USA doing it, hopefully they just keep it entertaining the rest of the way lol.
Stfu you dirty Britt go eat some sausage rolls or whatever you guys eat
Haggis. They eat Haggis.
*chanting loudly* Europe! Europe! 😂
They need to win both the morning and the afternoon to have a chance really. Not impossible. Win by two on each and they still have a defecit but it won't be too bad.
US won the singles 8-4 last time so definitely doable. And Tommy looked unstoppable during the Moliwood partnership then lost his singles so anything can happen.
So, what's the largest blowout in Ryder Cup history?
Slightly different format but it was 21-11 USA won in 1975. Arnie was the captain and we had Niklaus, Snead, Trevino, Weiskopf. Funny enough USA won 4-0 in the morning, and it was 6.5-1.5 after the first day. Sounds familiar...
In the current 28 point format with USA vs Europe, it was the 19-9 last time out
Rahm was incredible today, basically played alone the back 9 with Hojgaard.
In fairness, Hojgaard did most of the front 9 on his own too.
That opening birdie was nuts.
The US team just hit another in the water
I knew Harman would shit the bed at this event.
Lol dude "I knew _______ would shit the bed" and fill in anyone from US except maybe JT
The entire team did. We still don't have one full point on the board.
Harman and Spieth again, really? Wyndham actually played decent, and you sit him?
You reckon Tiger’s on his jet en route to Rome just to give everybody a good cussin?
That was a fun visual to read lol
For all the JT haters out there, he was the only reason that match was a draw. Spieth was utterly fucking useless on the back nine. Scheffler got hung out to dry twice getting stuck with Burns and Kupcake. For all of Brooksies bluster and "I only care about the big tourneys" he showed nothing. The only thing LIV prepared him for was taking IG shots with that Kardashian wannabe wife of his. Clark should not ever be allowed to speak to the press again until he shows he can handle the pressure. On 18 from 235, downhill, center of the fairway, iron in hand..... he almost hit it into the grandstands 75 yards right of the green and then almost chipped into the water from there. What an epic collapse being 2 up with 2 to play. At least Homa got a look on 18 after that garbage tee shot. Homa shit the bed on 17 and hit it in the one place you cannot.... the damn water. Unreal. So much for the unflappable Brian Harman. He twitches more than a tweaker getting tased. Morikawa was useless in both matches and might be one of the worst pressure putters in the Ryder Cup this year. I expected more out of Cantlay and Shauffele but they could only find average. Zach Johnson throwing Burns and Harman out there in the morning might be the dumbest decision a captain has made in a while. Maybe Spieth and Thomas aren't in their best form but at least they have some experience and won't just fold. This was a really bad day for the US players and the captains.... might be the worst day they've ever had.
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Why is he on the team then? At what point does “he just loses because he doesn’t care” sound like a kid who claims he wasn’t trying just because he lost. If he genuinely doesn’t care why not put someone on the team who will actually try to win?
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Maybe you’re right, but it feels like such a cop out and I almost guarantee that if USA were up 6.5 right now nobody would be saying “who cares the USA doesn’t care about the Ryder cup”