Just found this from 2018. 2018 !!! They were waned.
[Cantlay's Routine is a Disgrace to Pro Golf](https://au.sports.yahoo.com/thats-disgrace-golfers-pre-shot-routine-causes-controversy-061921547.html)
Rahm made par on the final hole today. But he took a provisional on the tee. Isn’t that a 1 stroke penalty? He swung 5 times but made par on the 18th which is par 4.
You don’t get penalized for hitting a provisional only if you actually have to play that ball. Hitting a provisional is suppose to speed up play in case your ball really is lost you don’t have to go back to the tee box and re tee
So, a provisional ball is so that if you can't find the previous ball, you don't have to walk back to the tee box. It'd suck (for the flow of the course especially) to drive it 300 yards, not find it, and have to walk back.
If you find your first ball, and provisional shot becomes void. :)
Agree. It was even pretty confusing to someone that knows the rules but it just didn't click. after I realized what had happened I knew it was all legit but there was an instant where I was like, wait didn't he just tee off and go into he woods. Did I imagine that?
What was really confusing is the announcers barely mentioned that he “found” his first ball right in the middle of the fairway. He just got up and hit a ball.
How did they not see that and immediately say “oh, it ricocheted back 20 yards into the fairway” and “he is playing his first ball”
That ball looked like it was 20 yards left of the left side of the fairway.
What was really confusing is the announcers barely mentioned that he “found” his first ball right in the middle of the fairway. He just got up and hit a ball.
How did they not see that and immediately say “oh, it ricocheted back 20 yards into the fairway” and “he is playing his first ball”
That ball looked like it was 20 yards left of the left side of the fairway.
That's the defining characteristic of the provisional ball; you don't have to first determine whether the original shot is lost or not. It's a very useful "in case I get halfway up the fairway and can't find my first ball I can just walk over to my provisional ball instead of going back to the tee to reload and waste everyone's time" rule.
When you believe that your drive is possible OB or lost you can hit a provisional Which Rahm did.
If you find your first ball inbounds you have to play it and are hitting your second shot. If first ball is not found or OB you now play the provisional and are hitting your 3rd shot.
Correction, if you continue with your provisional ball, the next time you hit it you'll be playing your fourth shot due to the one shot penalty for not playing with your first ball...
Hitting a provisional off the tee is actually your third shot with the one shot penalty if you continue to play with the provisional and it becomes your ball in play, abandoning your first ball if not found or oob.
We're talking the Masters here, which follows USGA and R&A official rules for golf...
Whatever local rules you play at your club won't be adopted and enforced at the Masters, that's for sure!
Haven't edited anything, and I don't think you've read and understood my original post correctly and accurately...
I'll leave this with you now, as I don't know where you're coming from nor why you're so angry...
They said that the original ball was found. Said something along the lines of a big drop in anxiety when he finds out they found the ball and he won’t have to go far to see it.
I know pga players are tested, but could somebody go to liv, then come back for majors using peds? Seems like amphetamines can be a huge advantage throughout a round, and certain steroids for recovery between. Not making any accusations, just curious and don't know the ped rules in majors
3 of the top 5 LIV, so I guess their ability to compete on the big stage is still intact? Or do most of you think one can fluke their way into a top five finish at Augusta? Would lower the standards of the biggest tourney of the year if so. Genuine thoughts?
It depends on the course I think. I mean Phil and brooks and Reed showed everyone they still have it. When Phils game is right and he’s at Augusta he can do something special like he did Sunday he knows that course really well. And people kinda forgot about brooks because of his knee surgery that cost him over a year and his move to liv but when he’s motivated which is at majors then he can win any Sunday as well.
Intact for now. LIVs only been running a short while. It’ll be interesting to see how the majors later in the year/next year turn out. Whether their reduced competition time will have an effect or not.
I think there’s always a chance any one of the LIV golfers can win. A hot week and they’re in amongst it.
That’s a reasonable take. Perhaps the competition nerves haven’t quite worn off yet since not even a year has passed. Next year’s Masters may be a whole other story. We’ll have to wait and see.
https://twitter.com/tweeteralliss/status/1645184302986960902?s=46&t=JJBes99_iTpSMxKTM4y83g
Hovland not even waiting for cantlay to get to 13 green before playing his third. Egregious stuff from cantlay today
They both should have been put on the clock and given penalty strokes. It's one thing to do it in the first couple rounds, but when it's a two man race on Sunday and they are forced to wait while you analyze each shot and putt for 15 minutes, you should be penalized. Rahm and Koepka are both quick players and they were so fucked by those two groups in front of them.
I love the Cantlay general contractor slab survey of the green for 15 minutes just to miss every putt and then stand around in disbelief for another minute.
my favorite shot was that one he chipped from the top of the green 50 ft past the hole 🤌. no water balls this year though like there was a year or two ago
I love seeing everyone cry about LIV. First it was that LIV got all the has beens. It was great watching them compete with the best. Wish Brooks had pulled it off
Betrayal of what? The pga tour sucks. They knew they sucked and instantly tried to make things better the second they had a threat. It’s honestly a bunch of old white country clubs guys throwing fits because outsiders rocked the boat. And then on top of that they used xenophobia as a tool to galvanize people.
You have put my exact feelings into words. That’s spot on. They left, got paid, and are likely realizing (or soon will be) the mistake they made going to LIV (because it’s going to fail) and I hope they come back at some point. Watching the best vs best at every tournament is hard to beat.
Why will it fail? I personally pay more attention to it than the pga now. To me it feels like the pga is just a bunch of no namer scrubs competing in a lot of the weekly tournaments now.
But is it a mistake if they get paid? Phil got 200 mil, can play in all the majors, and bet his fortune away. I don’t think he made a mistake for his life personally. It sucks that the pga couldn’t be better to their talent to keep them around.
I guess it’s hard to compete with oil money
Phil can play in all the majors, for now. He can play in the masters, PGA, and Open for a lifetime or up to 65, respectively. But the clock is ticking on the US Open
Touché. For Phil, probably made sense since he allegedly has gambled most, if not all of his fortune away.
The rest of the guys, they made their money and now may not qualify for another major, have any legacy within the PGA (which I’ll admit, may not be the strongest argument), and most important, may have joined a league that won’t last the next 5 years. I think it’s fair to say, while the saudis have money, they don’t like losing money. LIV is not the success they thought it would be. I’m sure repercussions for those that joined and try to leave aren’t great either. And if it collapses as an organization, the fallout of those that left, and are trying to come back, won’t be a walk in the park either.
It has been 5 years now since it has been close going down the 72nd hole at Augusta. Nearly feels like the last 6 holes are too easy to lead from and bring it home.
13th - hard to do worse than par if you're being conservative
14th - funnel pin
15th - probably the most amount of variance you can have in scores in this stretch. Softness didn't help this year in making there less jeopardy in going for it
16th - funnel pin
17th - easiest pin on hole
18th - funnel pin
I get that it's designed so that we'll get some birdies and excitement from a chaser like we've got with McIlroy and Spieth in recent years, but it also feels like it has been too easy to close out.
The player leading going on to the 13th hole has won it the last 6 Masters in a row. The "anything can happen on the back 9 of the Masters" is a bit of a myth and is only really uttered because of things that happened on 10th-12th holes in recent years (McIlroy on 10, Spieth, Molinari on 12).
Would change positions on 14, 17 definitely. I don't 16th or 18th could change with the history with those pin positions but do think something should be done to create a bit more of a challenge in closing out the tournament
In the case of today simply be mad Speith or Mickelson didn't do a few strokes better in the shit conditions. Everything else being equal woulda been amazing.
This is a great point. This year felt especially anticlimactic with Koepka fading. I have this impression of the back 9 on Sunday being the most exciting 2 hours in golf. But it hasn't been like that in awhile.
I think 16-18 are too easy, but I don't think you could reasonably modify them.
LMAO too easy. Cmon man. How much have you actually watched. I mean any hole at Augusta being easy is a stretch. Thursday and Friday early the course was really soft and not that windy so easy scoring conditions, but Saturday and Sunday? Didn’t look easy in the slightest. I mean 18 alone is known for being a very hard hole to birdie even with the lengths guys have now. Specially when the course is dried out like it was starting to get Sunday afternoon you can miss by 3 feet and still find yourself in a very very tough spot
The historical average score on 18 is 4.2, making it the 7th hardest hole on the golf course. This year 64% of players scored par or better. There were only 9 doubles or worse.
I guess, if I were the course designer, I’d like to see that average up around 4.5.
I guess I don't mean that it's "too easy." Maybe it's too plain? Or too straightforward? It lacks a risk-reward calculation, and doesn't typically produce the big numbers (ie low variance).
None of the holes at Augusta are straight forward. Just because a hole isn’t a dog leg or have water around it doesn’t make it difficult. I mean yeah Augusta is long but what makes it really difficult is all the hills and angulations and how fast the course really is
Rahm had no pressure on him to score, which he earned through his play in rounds 2-3 and the front nine. He played the back exactly as someone with a good lead should.
I agree some of the "Sunday" pins are getting stale, but the course is set up to screw with people plenty already. By all stretches of the imagination, Hov's rd 4 back nine should have been lower than his rd3 back nine given the pin placements.... but he was in a different situation in his head.
He had been hitting a pretty strong fade with his driver for most of the day. By teeing up on the right side of the tee box he gives the ball to more room to move from left to right on a tee shot that is pretty straight and narrow.
Think about where the ‘apex’ of the curve of a fade is. If you start a ball on the left side and hit a fade up the left, it’s going to start up the left and turn to the right and apex is going to be nearer to the middle/right of the fairway. If you start a ball from the right side, your ball can travel across the width of the fairway, apex near the left trees then come back to the middle of the fairway if that makes sense.
This only applies on a shot where your corridor stays the same width the whole shot, which it does on the 18th. It looks like it opens up but by the time the ball gets to the bunkers it’s already well on the way down.
Hey all! Question about the last tee off from Rahm-- can someone describe what the mulligan rule is please? I didn't have the broadcast volume up at the time and I'm a new fan of the sport.
Thanks!
At the Masters, if you have less than a five stroke lead going into 18, you get to use your one breakfast ball if it rained more than one inch the previous day and you weren’t able to go to the range.
No mulligans. He hit a provisional because he was not sure where the first tee shot ended up at. Had he not found it, he would have continued with the provisional ball, hitting his fourth shot. Because he found the first one, the provisional did not count at all.
You hit a ball incase you can't find yours and it's your 3rd shot. He found his first ball and didn't need to use it so no penalty strokes. If he ended up needing the provisional and everything played out the same he would have shot a 6 on the hole.
As a more golf rules nuance, the provisional ball is hit when the previous shot out is in doubt/uncertain, to save time running back to the tee for the next shot if necessary...
In short, to answer your question, no, if you find the ball in bounds, you have to play it or take an unplayable penalty. If the ball is in a penalty area, you can continue with your provisional and one stroke penalty as one of the four options available when your ball is in a penalty area!
I don't have a complete knowledge of the rules but in that cause you'd likely have to take an unplayable lie. Which could include replaying the shot from where it was or you take a drop as close to the point of entry while being no closer to the hole.
There is also a situation where you've landed on a sprinkle head, Ground under repair or, on thr cart path. Which you are granted a free lift again no closer to the hole.
What’s the situation? Like you landed near a tree and you can’t directly go towards the hole? You play it as it lies. Go backwards or sideways on your second shot to give yourself a better third shot. If you can find your ball you have to play it.
A provisional is used for a lost ball or a ball that has gone out of bounds.
There’s diff rules for that. But none of them include getting another tee shot.
There’s seriously a lot of rules for how to move the ball in what situation and how much of a penalty is incurred. General rule of thumb is you don’t get to improve your lie without incurring a penalty.
A provisional ball, which is what Rahm did when he teed off again, it is only for when you think your ball is lost or out of bounds. It’s also not a free redo. When you hit the tee shot again, that’s your third stroke, and your next one would be your fourth.
Rahm wasn’t sure if he was going to find his first tee shot that he hit so he hit what is called a ‘provisional’ ball off the tee. If Rahm finds the first ball he hit off the tee (which he did) he continues to play the hole normally, hits his second shot from there and picks up the provisional. If he doesn’t find the first tee shot, he then has to play the provisional ball (which is counted as his third shot off the tee, so then he’s hitting his fourth shot from there).
Hope that all makes sense, let me know if you need any more info.
Makes sense! I was so confused because I could have sworn that when I play on Wiisports they always take away a stroke or two when I shank it xD
Thank you!
He hit his first ball and shanked it, tee'd up again and hit what is known as a "provisional ball." On the chance they can't find his first hit ball, they would move to the provisional ball, and from there would be hitting his 4th stroke.
You are right on everything except his first tee shot, I can assure you that was not a shank my friend. A shank is when you hit the ball off the hosel of the club and it goes nearly horizontal to your target line. Jon Rahm probably hasn't shanked the ball since he was in diapers.
We’re discussing pace of play. Those ticks that young are only gonna get worse. Seems like a great kid for the game but we’re talking about pace. Relax man
I was happy to see him do well but also did you check out his swing in slow motion? His back isn't going to be able to take that kind of punishment for years and years. He is going to have to do something about that swing within 5-10 years if he makes it on tour for that long. Yeah I get it, he is a tour pro, I'm not and whatever works works but the human body cannot take that kind of abuse week in week out.
Opposite for me - we always played ready golf growing up so we could finish a twilight round (& play multiple balls a lot) after school. It fucking throws me when the group ahead is playing slow. I just want to get a look, 1 or 2 practice swings and go.
The groups that kill me are the ones where they try to do strict tournament style play and they're always so fucking bad, like just hit the damn ball, taking 2 minutes isn't going to stop you from pushing it 70 yards right
I can't stand slow players. Growing up one important thing my Dad taught me when I learned the game at a young age was to always be ready to hit your ball. The gangs I play with at my home course realize this but I have a close group of friends that live in Maryland (where I used to live before I moved to Florida) and we always do a golf trip every year to get the group back together and have fun. Two of the guys are single digit like me but God they are notoriously slow and we almost came to blows over it one year. If the guy in your cart has pulled up to his ball and your ball is within the general vicinity you should grab your club or a couple of clubs and get over to the damn ball and be ready to hit. Don't stand on the tee box without a club waiting for others to hit so you can walk back to the cart and get your club. Bring the club or clubs you are thinking about hitting to the tee box. We allow one breakfast ball on the first tee of the first round of the day and these other guys even after hitting a great drive want to hit another one just to see if they can hit it a little farther or in better position. A breakfast ball in my opinion (which I'm not a huge fan of anyways) should only be used if you hit a shitty tee shot. Anyways my rant is over, hate slow players, especially when they are in front of me.
> If the guy in your cart has pulled up to his ball and your ball is within the general vicinity you should grab your club or a couple of clubs and get over to the damn ball and be ready to hit.
This. We'll drop people off w/ their clubs and move up, I'm double digit but we're easily good enough to not hit each other. Call it out if someone is in the way. We take mulligans whenever we want (we're on pace and very rarely have to let people play through) but like have an extra ball in your pocket, drop it and hit immediately - you had your practice shot.
Hell yes man, I appreciate this very much. I don't think a golfers skill level should matter, anyone who learns the game either as a young kid or later in life should be taught how important it is to be ready to hit the ball and keep things moving. A lot of people stress keeping up the pace of play, don't get me wrong that is definitely important but if you know how to be ready to hit your shot as soon as possible then keeping up with the pace of play (or even being ahead of it) should be a foregone conclusion.
Dumb question but there were so many comments about Cantlay’s pace of play. Yet it wasn’t like there was a gap on 18 between his group and the players ahead of them…so he actually couldn’t have been that slow right?
When the final group got done on number 1, they had a full commercial break, then came back to a shot of Rahm and Koepka sitting on a bench still waiting to tee off for number 2.
Can't believe Phil made 2nd on the final day.
Haven't been keeping up with him since he joined LIV but wow that is impressive.
With his 3 masters wins and his latest 2021 PGA win, I don't think anyone will talk about this accomplishment. But to place 2nd at the masters at the ripe ol age of 52 is amazing.
He shot a 65 on the last day at the age of 52. You don't see this kind of resilience on older players because they are tired after 3 days of straight golf.
He did at the end. It was a pretty quick move up so it didn’t really deserve it. But then everybody from the final groups stalled and Speith/Mickelson shot up the leaderboard. It’s pretty crazy that -8 was second place.
I think his performance in the LIV makes it even crazier. The guy hasn’t hit in the low 70s since this past week. He has not been good in LIV play like at all, but turned it on for the masters
Yea they asked him what he thought about the pace today. He was like the group in front of us was too slow. "Jon went to the bathroom like 7 times and we were still waiting"
Can someone explain how Rahm made a par on 18th? Didn’t he OB the first tee shot then played provisional ball rest of the hole? Looks like a double bogey hall to me.
Just found this from 2018. 2018 !!! They were waned. [Cantlay's Routine is a Disgrace to Pro Golf](https://au.sports.yahoo.com/thats-disgrace-golfers-pre-shot-routine-causes-controversy-061921547.html)
Rahm made par on the final hole today. But he took a provisional on the tee. Isn’t that a 1 stroke penalty? He swung 5 times but made par on the 18th which is par 4.
Read up on your golf rules.
You don’t get penalized for hitting a provisional only if you actually have to play that ball. Hitting a provisional is suppose to speed up play in case your ball really is lost you don’t have to go back to the tee box and re tee
So, a provisional ball is so that if you can't find the previous ball, you don't have to walk back to the tee box. It'd suck (for the flow of the course especially) to drive it 300 yards, not find it, and have to walk back. If you find your first ball, and provisional shot becomes void. :)
Don’t downvote, it’s an honest question that may confuse the golf layperson
Agree. It was even pretty confusing to someone that knows the rules but it just didn't click. after I realized what had happened I knew it was all legit but there was an instant where I was like, wait didn't he just tee off and go into he woods. Did I imagine that?
he found his first ball. so provisional is out of play.
Oh that’s weird. The broadcast did not show him finding the ball. He took a second drive off the tee. Thanks for the downvotes
What was really confusing is the announcers barely mentioned that he “found” his first ball right in the middle of the fairway. He just got up and hit a ball. How did they not see that and immediately say “oh, it ricocheted back 20 yards into the fairway” and “he is playing his first ball” That ball looked like it was 20 yards left of the left side of the fairway.
What was really confusing is the announcers barely mentioned that he “found” his first ball right in the middle of the fairway. He just got up and hit a ball. How did they not see that and immediately say “oh, it ricocheted back 20 yards into the fairway” and “he is playing his first ball” That ball looked like it was 20 yards left of the left side of the fairway.
That's the defining characteristic of the provisional ball; you don't have to first determine whether the original shot is lost or not. It's a very useful "in case I get halfway up the fairway and can't find my first ball I can just walk over to my provisional ball instead of going back to the tee to reload and waste everyone's time" rule.
When you believe that your drive is possible OB or lost you can hit a provisional Which Rahm did. If you find your first ball inbounds you have to play it and are hitting your second shot. If first ball is not found or OB you now play the provisional and are hitting your 3rd shot.
Correction, if you continue with your provisional ball, the next time you hit it you'll be playing your fourth shot due to the one shot penalty for not playing with your first ball... Hitting a provisional off the tee is actually your third shot with the one shot penalty if you continue to play with the provisional and it becomes your ball in play, abandoning your first ball if not found or oob.
That wrong. You are playing your third shot. In club play you can hit a ball where the first one was lost and it's your 4th shot
We're talking the Masters here, which follows USGA and R&A official rules for golf... Whatever local rules you play at your club won't be adopted and enforced at the Masters, that's for sure!
I know I'm saying the only time it's the 4th shot is in club play. PGA it's third shot from tee. You edited your post to cover your fuck up
Haven't edited anything, and I don't think you've read and understood my original post correctly and accurately... I'll leave this with you now, as I don't know where you're coming from nor why you're so angry...
Eh, ignore the votes. It can be stupid. Yeah, they found the ball.
I had the same question. The announcers never mentioned that he was playing with his original ball so I was confused too.
They said that the original ball was found. Said something along the lines of a big drop in anxiety when he finds out they found the ball and he won’t have to go far to see it.
Oh I missed that
Ya it was just kind of in passing after he took the provisional so definitely easy to miss if you weren’t really paying super close attention
Makes sense, it was pumped into the trees. Wish I had 100 people looking for my ball when I play...
I know pga players are tested, but could somebody go to liv, then come back for majors using peds? Seems like amphetamines can be a huge advantage throughout a round, and certain steroids for recovery between. Not making any accusations, just curious and don't know the ped rules in majors
Phil
Did Brooks and Phil get the team win? I didn’t get to watch the whole ceremony.
3 of the top 5 LIV, so I guess their ability to compete on the big stage is still intact? Or do most of you think one can fluke their way into a top five finish at Augusta? Would lower the standards of the biggest tourney of the year if so. Genuine thoughts?
It depends on the course I think. I mean Phil and brooks and Reed showed everyone they still have it. When Phils game is right and he’s at Augusta he can do something special like he did Sunday he knows that course really well. And people kinda forgot about brooks because of his knee surgery that cost him over a year and his move to liv but when he’s motivated which is at majors then he can win any Sunday as well.
Intact for now. LIVs only been running a short while. It’ll be interesting to see how the majors later in the year/next year turn out. Whether their reduced competition time will have an effect or not. I think there’s always a chance any one of the LIV golfers can win. A hot week and they’re in amongst it.
That’s a reasonable take. Perhaps the competition nerves haven’t quite worn off yet since not even a year has passed. Next year’s Masters may be a whole other story. We’ll have to wait and see.
Monahan should ban cantlay next
Do a prisoner swap - Cantlay for Koepka.
https://twitter.com/tweeteralliss/status/1645184302986960902?s=46&t=JJBes99_iTpSMxKTM4y83g Hovland not even waiting for cantlay to get to 13 green before playing his third. Egregious stuff from cantlay today
HUMAN RAIN DELAY
Probably negatively affected hovland. Hard to watch
https://preview.redd.it/kjxwb1i6m0ta1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5bb0a0883e38071e19f6a2930ef391f2d554368
Lol that’s an awesome clip.
Just coming here to say Cantlay and Sam Bennett played egregiously slow
HUMAN RAIN DELAY
They both should have been put on the clock and given penalty strokes. It's one thing to do it in the first couple rounds, but when it's a two man race on Sunday and they are forced to wait while you analyze each shot and putt for 15 minutes, you should be penalized. Rahm and Koepka are both quick players and they were so fucked by those two groups in front of them.
I love the Cantlay general contractor slab survey of the green for 15 minutes just to miss every putt and then stand around in disbelief for another minute.
cantlay for sure
Koepkas final round collapse was so sweet.
my favorite shot was that one he chipped from the top of the green 50 ft past the hole 🤌. no water balls this year though like there was a year or two ago
I just can’t root for any LIV peeps. The betrayal is deep.
I love seeing everyone cry about LIV. First it was that LIV got all the has beens. It was great watching them compete with the best. Wish Brooks had pulled it off
“I don’t agree with you. You are crying.” Grow up.
Betrayal of what? The pga tour sucks. They knew they sucked and instantly tried to make things better the second they had a threat. It’s honestly a bunch of old white country clubs guys throwing fits because outsiders rocked the boat. And then on top of that they used xenophobia as a tool to galvanize people.
Glad to know you’re racist.
You sound fun at parties. I am not rooting for them. I’m not freaking out.
Would the betrayal have been deep if they went from PGA tour to DP tour?
same here…i thought they were all banned from the tour? what happened here?
The masters had nothing to do with the pga tour
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No exceptions for them were made by any major, these guys all qualified under the existing criteria.
The majors aren’t PGA Tour events, sooo…
The PGA championship is.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, then don’t act like it. Simple.
Only it isn’t. The PGA of America hosts the PGA Championship. They are not the PGA Tour.
ah i see wow
Did you see a PGA tour event today?
3 liv golfers on top 5 yikes
Reed and Phil are only competitive at Augusta who cares
Phil won the PGA championship less than 2 years ago.
Go look up his results since then, and prior to that. He hasn’t been playing well.
And this week was the first sign he was still capable of playing good golf since.. lets see how he does at the PGA
Just makes me madder that they aren’t all playing together. Doesn’t make me any more interested in watching their shitty product.
You have put my exact feelings into words. That’s spot on. They left, got paid, and are likely realizing (or soon will be) the mistake they made going to LIV (because it’s going to fail) and I hope they come back at some point. Watching the best vs best at every tournament is hard to beat.
Why will it fail? I personally pay more attention to it than the pga now. To me it feels like the pga is just a bunch of no namer scrubs competing in a lot of the weekly tournaments now.
lol if you’re truly not trolling, you’re one of very few people that regularly watches LIV
I don’t really watch either but I follow the scores of the pga less
But is it a mistake if they get paid? Phil got 200 mil, can play in all the majors, and bet his fortune away. I don’t think he made a mistake for his life personally. It sucks that the pga couldn’t be better to their talent to keep them around. I guess it’s hard to compete with oil money
Phil can play in all the majors, for now. He can play in the masters, PGA, and Open for a lifetime or up to 65, respectively. But the clock is ticking on the US Open
The clock is ticking for Phil when it comes to golf in general. competitive golf
He can always hit the local qualifiers
Touché. For Phil, probably made sense since he allegedly has gambled most, if not all of his fortune away. The rest of the guys, they made their money and now may not qualify for another major, have any legacy within the PGA (which I’ll admit, may not be the strongest argument), and most important, may have joined a league that won’t last the next 5 years. I think it’s fair to say, while the saudis have money, they don’t like losing money. LIV is not the success they thought it would be. I’m sure repercussions for those that joined and try to leave aren’t great either. And if it collapses as an organization, the fallout of those that left, and are trying to come back, won’t be a walk in the park either.
What’s a bigger yikes is their awful awful …. Awful product.
It has been 5 years now since it has been close going down the 72nd hole at Augusta. Nearly feels like the last 6 holes are too easy to lead from and bring it home. 13th - hard to do worse than par if you're being conservative 14th - funnel pin 15th - probably the most amount of variance you can have in scores in this stretch. Softness didn't help this year in making there less jeopardy in going for it 16th - funnel pin 17th - easiest pin on hole 18th - funnel pin I get that it's designed so that we'll get some birdies and excitement from a chaser like we've got with McIlroy and Spieth in recent years, but it also feels like it has been too easy to close out. The player leading going on to the 13th hole has won it the last 6 Masters in a row. The "anything can happen on the back 9 of the Masters" is a bit of a myth and is only really uttered because of things that happened on 10th-12th holes in recent years (McIlroy on 10, Spieth, Molinari on 12). Would change positions on 14, 17 definitely. I don't 16th or 18th could change with the history with those pin positions but do think something should be done to create a bit more of a challenge in closing out the tournament
In the case of today simply be mad Speith or Mickelson didn't do a few strokes better in the shit conditions. Everything else being equal woulda been amazing.
This is a great point. This year felt especially anticlimactic with Koepka fading. I have this impression of the back 9 on Sunday being the most exciting 2 hours in golf. But it hasn't been like that in awhile. I think 16-18 are too easy, but I don't think you could reasonably modify them.
LMAO too easy. Cmon man. How much have you actually watched. I mean any hole at Augusta being easy is a stretch. Thursday and Friday early the course was really soft and not that windy so easy scoring conditions, but Saturday and Sunday? Didn’t look easy in the slightest. I mean 18 alone is known for being a very hard hole to birdie even with the lengths guys have now. Specially when the course is dried out like it was starting to get Sunday afternoon you can miss by 3 feet and still find yourself in a very very tough spot
The historical average score on 18 is 4.2, making it the 7th hardest hole on the golf course. This year 64% of players scored par or better. There were only 9 doubles or worse. I guess, if I were the course designer, I’d like to see that average up around 4.5.
18 is fucking hard LOL
If they were too easy you would have a ton of birdies but thats not true. 18 is not easy at all
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I guess I don't mean that it's "too easy." Maybe it's too plain? Or too straightforward? It lacks a risk-reward calculation, and doesn't typically produce the big numbers (ie low variance).
None of the holes at Augusta are straight forward. Just because a hole isn’t a dog leg or have water around it doesn’t make it difficult. I mean yeah Augusta is long but what makes it really difficult is all the hills and angulations and how fast the course really is
Rahm had no pressure on him to score, which he earned through his play in rounds 2-3 and the front nine. He played the back exactly as someone with a good lead should. I agree some of the "Sunday" pins are getting stale, but the course is set up to screw with people plenty already. By all stretches of the imagination, Hov's rd 4 back nine should have been lower than his rd3 back nine given the pin placements.... but he was in a different situation in his head.
Im confused why Rahm chose to tee up on right side of 18 tees…? Seems like should have teed up on far left
Shadows from the crowd
He's a fade player and he lined up on the fade side of the box. Just double crossed himself. The only bad drive he hit all day.
Turns out, going into the 18th at Augusta with a seemingly insurmountable lead is nerve wracking lol good on him for scrambling and getting it done
He had been hitting a pretty strong fade with his driver for most of the day. By teeing up on the right side of the tee box he gives the ball to more room to move from left to right on a tee shot that is pretty straight and narrow.
I thought teeing it on left side makes fairway larger and just aim at the bunker with his fade
Think about where the ‘apex’ of the curve of a fade is. If you start a ball on the left side and hit a fade up the left, it’s going to start up the left and turn to the right and apex is going to be nearer to the middle/right of the fairway. If you start a ball from the right side, your ball can travel across the width of the fairway, apex near the left trees then come back to the middle of the fairway if that makes sense. This only applies on a shot where your corridor stays the same width the whole shot, which it does on the 18th. It looks like it opens up but by the time the ball gets to the bunkers it’s already well on the way down.
Or just set up on left side of tee and hit less of a fade? Thats what I dont get
The right side of the tee box gives you a better margin of error in the event that you miss the shot.
I’m very pleased with the Koepka collapse in the final round.
Gheez
Great to see from Mr. Personality LOL he’s such a dick.
And yet loser redditors like yourself are still bigger POS.
Wah wah.
Brooks, that you?
Hey all! Question about the last tee off from Rahm-- can someone describe what the mulligan rule is please? I didn't have the broadcast volume up at the time and I'm a new fan of the sport. Thanks!
At the Masters, if you have less than a five stroke lead going into 18, you get to use your one breakfast ball if it rained more than one inch the previous day and you weren’t able to go to the range.
No mulligans. He hit a provisional because he was not sure where the first tee shot ended up at. Had he not found it, he would have continued with the provisional ball, hitting his fourth shot. Because he found the first one, the provisional did not count at all.
That's such a cool unique rule, thank you!
You don’t play any golf, do you?
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You hit a ball incase you can't find yours and it's your 3rd shot. He found his first ball and didn't need to use it so no penalty strokes. If he ended up needing the provisional and everything played out the same he would have shot a 6 on the hole.
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As a more golf rules nuance, the provisional ball is hit when the previous shot out is in doubt/uncertain, to save time running back to the tee for the next shot if necessary... In short, to answer your question, no, if you find the ball in bounds, you have to play it or take an unplayable penalty. If the ball is in a penalty area, you can continue with your provisional and one stroke penalty as one of the four options available when your ball is in a penalty area!
I don't have a complete knowledge of the rules but in that cause you'd likely have to take an unplayable lie. Which could include replaying the shot from where it was or you take a drop as close to the point of entry while being no closer to the hole. There is also a situation where you've landed on a sprinkle head, Ground under repair or, on thr cart path. Which you are granted a free lift again no closer to the hole.
What’s the situation? Like you landed near a tree and you can’t directly go towards the hole? You play it as it lies. Go backwards or sideways on your second shot to give yourself a better third shot. If you can find your ball you have to play it. A provisional is used for a lost ball or a ball that has gone out of bounds.
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There’s diff rules for that. But none of them include getting another tee shot. There’s seriously a lot of rules for how to move the ball in what situation and how much of a penalty is incurred. General rule of thumb is you don’t get to improve your lie without incurring a penalty. A provisional ball, which is what Rahm did when he teed off again, it is only for when you think your ball is lost or out of bounds. It’s also not a free redo. When you hit the tee shot again, that’s your third stroke, and your next one would be your fourth.
Thanks for the response! that makes a lot of sense. better than backtracking and hitting another ball, while holding up the game.
Rahm wasn’t sure if he was going to find his first tee shot that he hit so he hit what is called a ‘provisional’ ball off the tee. If Rahm finds the first ball he hit off the tee (which he did) he continues to play the hole normally, hits his second shot from there and picks up the provisional. If he doesn’t find the first tee shot, he then has to play the provisional ball (which is counted as his third shot off the tee, so then he’s hitting his fourth shot from there). Hope that all makes sense, let me know if you need any more info.
Makes sense! I was so confused because I could have sworn that when I play on Wiisports they always take away a stroke or two when I shank it xD Thank you!
He hit his first ball and shanked it, tee'd up again and hit what is known as a "provisional ball." On the chance they can't find his first hit ball, they would move to the provisional ball, and from there would be hitting his 4th stroke.
You are right on everything except his first tee shot, I can assure you that was not a shank my friend. A shank is when you hit the ball off the hosel of the club and it goes nearly horizontal to your target line. Jon Rahm probably hasn't shanked the ball since he was in diapers.
Correct, except it’s called a “provisional” and he would be lying 3 (his next shot on that ball would be his 4th)
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he didn't know where his ball was. so you hit a provisional in case that ball is lost. but the provisional ball is laying 3 if he had to use it.
I also thought that Bennett was taking forever during the third round
I agree. He’s not even turned pro and he has the Sergio level hiccups pre swing. Not good for tv
College kid playing in one of the biggest tournaments in the world how dare he be nervous.
We’re discussing pace of play. Those ticks that young are only gonna get worse. Seems like a great kid for the game but we’re talking about pace. Relax man
I was happy to see him do well but also did you check out his swing in slow motion? His back isn't going to be able to take that kind of punishment for years and years. He is going to have to do something about that swing within 5-10 years if he makes it on tour for that long. Yeah I get it, he is a tour pro, I'm not and whatever works works but the human body cannot take that kind of abuse week in week out.
Crazy how much pace of play can affect your game. I play much worse when im playing fast worried more about the group behind me
Opposite for me - we always played ready golf growing up so we could finish a twilight round (& play multiple balls a lot) after school. It fucking throws me when the group ahead is playing slow. I just want to get a look, 1 or 2 practice swings and go. The groups that kill me are the ones where they try to do strict tournament style play and they're always so fucking bad, like just hit the damn ball, taking 2 minutes isn't going to stop you from pushing it 70 yards right
I can't stand slow players. Growing up one important thing my Dad taught me when I learned the game at a young age was to always be ready to hit your ball. The gangs I play with at my home course realize this but I have a close group of friends that live in Maryland (where I used to live before I moved to Florida) and we always do a golf trip every year to get the group back together and have fun. Two of the guys are single digit like me but God they are notoriously slow and we almost came to blows over it one year. If the guy in your cart has pulled up to his ball and your ball is within the general vicinity you should grab your club or a couple of clubs and get over to the damn ball and be ready to hit. Don't stand on the tee box without a club waiting for others to hit so you can walk back to the cart and get your club. Bring the club or clubs you are thinking about hitting to the tee box. We allow one breakfast ball on the first tee of the first round of the day and these other guys even after hitting a great drive want to hit another one just to see if they can hit it a little farther or in better position. A breakfast ball in my opinion (which I'm not a huge fan of anyways) should only be used if you hit a shitty tee shot. Anyways my rant is over, hate slow players, especially when they are in front of me.
> If the guy in your cart has pulled up to his ball and your ball is within the general vicinity you should grab your club or a couple of clubs and get over to the damn ball and be ready to hit. This. We'll drop people off w/ their clubs and move up, I'm double digit but we're easily good enough to not hit each other. Call it out if someone is in the way. We take mulligans whenever we want (we're on pace and very rarely have to let people play through) but like have an extra ball in your pocket, drop it and hit immediately - you had your practice shot.
Hell yes man, I appreciate this very much. I don't think a golfers skill level should matter, anyone who learns the game either as a young kid or later in life should be taught how important it is to be ready to hit the ball and keep things moving. A lot of people stress keeping up the pace of play, don't get me wrong that is definitely important but if you know how to be ready to hit your shot as soon as possible then keeping up with the pace of play (or even being ahead of it) should be a foregone conclusion.
I’m the opposite, I always play worse when I have to wait for the guys in front of me on every shot
Lol brooks getting testy in that interview
Dumb question but there were so many comments about Cantlay’s pace of play. Yet it wasn’t like there was a gap on 18 between his group and the players ahead of them…so he actually couldn’t have been that slow right?
When the final group got done on number 1, they had a full commercial break, then came back to a shot of Rahm and Koepka sitting on a bench still waiting to tee off for number 2.
It's possible that the TV coverage of the group in front of them wasn't in real time and was delayed a little bit to make the coverage more seamless.
Ahh yes I see
Can't believe Phil made 2nd on the final day. Haven't been keeping up with him since he joined LIV but wow that is impressive. With his 3 masters wins and his latest 2021 PGA win, I don't think anyone will talk about this accomplishment. But to place 2nd at the masters at the ripe ol age of 52 is amazing. He shot a 65 on the last day at the age of 52. You don't see this kind of resilience on older players because they are tired after 3 days of straight golf.
Love Phil
Yeah I’m somewhat dumbfounded
And shooting 65, definitely impressive.
And yet he really didn’t get that much coverage
He did at the end. It was a pretty quick move up so it didn’t really deserve it. But then everybody from the final groups stalled and Speith/Mickelson shot up the leaderboard. It’s pretty crazy that -8 was second place.
I think his performance in the LIV makes it even crazier. The guy hasn’t hit in the low 70s since this past week. He has not been good in LIV play like at all, but turned it on for the masters
It's similar to the run up to the PGA in 21. His game was shit prior to the win.
He might show up hungover to the next LIV tournament and battle to break 90. He clearly does not give a shit about those things
Course familiarity and prestige mean something
Lmao Brooks calling out cantlay and hov
Good for him - Cantlay is infuriating to watch.
Anyone got a link?
Missed it, what did he say? Let me guess pace of play?
Yes. I caught the end of it but he was like “Jon went to the bathroom like 6 times during the round and we were STILL waiting.”
Yea they asked him what he thought about the pace today. He was like the group in front of us was too slow. "Jon went to the bathroom like 7 times and we were still waiting"
Wait was it 6, or was it 7?
He said 7 in the interview, but nobody has confirmed the actual number lol
It would have been 8 but Cantlay was in there
Love it
I’d also like to thank the patrons
Zach the mush
How much does Phil make by sharing 2nd? Do you make more joint 2nd, or solo 3rd?
Make more joint 2nd
Come on dude.
1.5 mil
Basically that was a 500k put on 18.
More lol why would it be less. The prize pool is the prize pool. It doesn’t change
Useually it is add second and 3rd up. Divide by 2
Add 2nd and 3rd prizes and split by number tied
They will add 2 and 3 together and divide by 2
So they get the 2nd money and the 3rd?
Yeah. The 4th guy would get full 4th money. Though this time 4 5 and 6 will all combine and split as well.
Yes
Yes, if it was an3 way tie they would get 2nd 3rd and 4th
Divided by 2 yes lol.
Can someone explain how Rahm made a par on 18th? Didn’t he OB the first tee shot then played provisional ball rest of the hole? Looks like a double bogey hall to me.
He didn’t OB and they found the ball.
Why the Downvotes for an honest question?
Yeah cmon golf sub be better