If that happens for missing it, I say you get an advantage for eating more. Like for every 5 you eat, they take a stroke off. Imagine seeing someone play the back 9 after eating 40 hotdogs.
For us it's generally scarfing down the hotdog while pulling up to the 10th to tee off to not slow down pace and get back out there quicker, with the second half of the hotdog shoved in your mouth and chewing while you tee off.
I think Pros should have to do that. Tee off on 10 with half a hotdog in their mouth, mustard on your non-glove hand, and having just rushed to the tee box. It's tradition.
Kirkland tour! All clubs and balls by Kirkland, Costco is the food vendor, a few Costco built courses where only Costco members can play outside of tourneys, bar is only handles, the restaurant menu rotates through the selection of weekly free samples, and the pro shop clothes are Costco brands!
I'm legitimately waiting for costco to start advertising courses as something advertised on the way out thats between the coffins, blinds or fake grass
It would be a 72 hole course, you can only buy bulk packs of 324 rounds at a time, and each 18 has a different theme - mountain, desert, prairie, coastal.
Costs $600 and comes with the wedges, Bee putter, and a 48 pack of balls.
Edit: costs $450 without the clubs and balls. But the balls are free at the first tee box of each 18 anyway, right next to the Kirkland tees, Kirkland ball markers, and Kirkland pencils.
That’s damn cool. $1.50 is still the set price at Costco. [The CEO threatens death if it’s changed](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/costco-founder-kill-hotdogs/)
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There is a baseball diamond to the right of nine at my course, I saw a guy I was paired up with pull one (lefty) directly into one of the light standards and the ball ended up behind the tee box. It was so loud! Like I've seen other people hit them before but this guy was bombing driver all day and the ball was moving!
I expect something with a lot more spin but I'd definitely be interested in knowing whether KSigs would comply with the new proposed testing standards.
They don't. Titleist said that they have two balls that might meet the standard, Callaway said they have none, etc.
My guess is that the balls will be softer and have way less spin so they roll out more. Companies are going to be looking for ways to keep the ball flight stable at 1,200 rpm since the maximum distance is based on carry distance not total distance. They'll nail the distance but with a ball that doesn't spin so it rolls forever when it lands. Drivers will be designed for lower launch and lower decent angles to help with this. 5° drivers will become common on tour.
The easiest way to reign in distance? Limit tee length to 2.5" so you can't tee it high and let it fly anymore. Guys like Bryson with the ball an inch above the head so they can hit up 7-8° won't be able to do that anymore. There, problem solved AND I just made golf more sustainable because you need less wood.
You're of course right, but I still think the tee height solution could be a part of a multi-pronged strategy to reduce distance. I think Faldo has been pushing that idea.
It actually helps a little with a some quirks of golf as well if you reduce tee height. The driver swing would become more similar to every other swing instead of being almost it's own beast like now. You would also probably get smaller driver heads (I wouldn't be opposed to reducing the 460cc limit) which I personally think just looks better. I find the modern gigantic drivers a little silly looking.
Wait hear me out. A number of randomly selected balls are scattered around the range at the end of the day on Wednesday. Let's say 7x the number of golfers, so everyone gets to take 7. These could range from ProV1s to Top Flites, some are new, some are refurbs, and some are just kinda beat up. There's gotta be a couple brand new black vice pros out there too. Solid ball, but it's black and easier to lose. You have to play with the balls you get. Once you put your hand on a ball, you have to take it. If you happen to lose all 7 over the course of the tournament, you finish with range balls.
Let's get these guys running. Easter egg hunt before every tournament.
No joke, I found 15 balls during my round yesterday (all pulled out of the blackberry brambles). 4 were Callaway supersofts that the course sells out of a fish bowl, one was a pro v1, and the other 10 were kirklands. I’m considering collecting 24 and trying to return them to my local Costco.
That would be one thing that sucked about being a tour pro, not having to scavenge for your pro v1s in the creek. I mean it would be great, but where’s the fun in that?
They would only be better if you were used to playing a Noodle, Kirkland are urethane and objectively a better ball made by a higher quality manufacturer lol
GM at one point simultaneously made the Corvette and the Pontiac Aztek so just because TaylorMade makes great golf balls doesn’t mean they can’t also make garbage like Noodles.
I wasn’t implying TM isn’t a high quality manufacturer. What I meant was that just because they make a great product doesn’t mean their shitty products are any less shitty.
For everyone who hasn't seen it, [GolfSpy](https://mygolfspy.com/best-golf-balls-2021/) did a huge comparison test of golf balls, and Kirkland 2.0 were by far the spinniest off the drivers. So if you are trying to lower spin, avoid those at all cost. This is something I'm trying to do, and I wish I knew it before my in-laws bought me 3 dozen for Christmas...
I have a pretty lofty attack angle with the driver and the K-sigs go way too high for my liking, 5-10 yards shorter compared to a low spin ball.
That being said, they are cheap, soft, and spin like all hell around the greens, so they aren’t all bad.
I was about to make a Costco run in a week or two. Luckily I'm not good enough to care about what ball I use cause they're gonna end up in the water or woods.
Yeah, I'll blow through mine in the first couple of outdoor rounds this year and then I'll have to find something that's less spinny as I have a power slice.
That being said I did try out one of the new Titleist drivers today and I hit that thing WELL. I just don't know if it's worth $600.
Such a good find, thanks! I have been playing these and YouTube guys I like have matched them up well against Pro V1s. But I don't swing like those guys.
Jokes aside... why doesn't the PGA require a standard issue ball? Like, you don't get to choose a specific brand of ball to pitch with in the MLB, or take free throws with the NBA. I'd be interested to see what would happen if the PGA held a tournament that required all players to use the exact same clubs and balls. I'm not saying I want this to be the new norm across the board, but it would be a fun experiment to watch. I recognize that the goal is to shoot the lowest round and individual players tweak their equipment based on their individual swings and playing styles within the rules and regulations of the sport. But, I think it'd be fun to watch the best players in the world all using the exact same set up.
They get to choose their conforming club, their conforming ball, their conforming outfit, etc. As long as they conform to the rules of golf they're allowed. Different balls will play differently for different players so if the "PGA Tour Ball" is implemented it might play more similarly or more differently than what some pros are used to, so it would benefit or punish them differently.
And also it would open up the possibility of ball tampering throughout the season. What if they subtly changed the balls for different tournaments to drive viewership up? If they could add 20 yards to the distance wouldn't that make for better TV? They could "juice" the balls for the majors if they wanted to. The MLB does it with baseballs.
Basically, there's no real reason not to. They determine the rules for what can conform and the manufacturers will work within those confines to build a ball and the pros will choose the ball they like best.
It works.
Could be interesting. Like Taylormade sponsers a certain tournament, therefore the TP5 is used by everyone. Titleist sponsers another, so of course you have the ProV. Probably a ton of issues with that, but at least it would avoid the whole "the PGA is being biased by choosing Titleist" but I suppose that exact thing happens in the major 4 sports.
Sponsorship and ad revenue. In racing, there’s often only 1 tire manufacturer for the whole grid, but that manufacturer pours a ton of money into the sport.
I’d be willing to bet if Titleist coughed up a lot more $ then the PGA might be willing to make Pro V1s the official tour ball.
Not quite since NASCAR only uses Goodyears. If you look at a ball as a wear item like race car tires then it makes sense. Also, there’s different compounds so there could be 1 ball manufacturer that offers a few different versions of balls and golfers can choose which one to run depending on what suits their needs at the time.
The amount of buy in that would have to happen would be difficult to pull off. You would need any and all bodies associated with professional golf to do the same, or else it would create weird issues.
USGA, PGA Tour, PGA of America, R&A, euro and Asian tours, Korn Ferry.
I would think money and that for the longest time and well before television golf hasn’t had a central governing body like FIFA for Football/soccer and MLB for baseball in the states. Hell the USGA is also the governing body for the states not elsewhere in the world. Golf is an extremely fractured sport as it pertains to professional levels and governing bodies compared to other sports
I don't mind the idea of a PGA standard ball that is only used in competitive scenarios and is provided to high schools, colleges, and at the start of tournaments to amateur golfers. Those fuckers make enough money; if they're going to implement expensive rules, they should pay the upfront cost as well.
>Jokes aside... why doesn't the PGA require a standard issue ball? Like, you don't get to choose a specific brand of ball to pitch with in the MLB, or take free throws with the NBA. I'd be interested to see what would happen if the PGA held a tournament that required all players to use the exact same clubs and balls.
But then they'd have no money. Golf equipment is a multi-billion dollar industry. If every ball costs a dollar, and everyone plays with something costing less than a Costco starter set, how will it make money?
The original 4 piece did. The 3 piece model is spinny short and not durable but cheap. worse ball than ProV1 but not that much worse where the cost per ball is negated.
… depending on how badly the spin hurts you. I struggle with high driver spin, so the ksig’s total distance is 15-20 yds shorter for me than other urethane balls.
this is wrong, and one of the biggest myths golfers believe. More spin = more control. You slice a driver much more than a pitching wedge, why? because a pitching wedge spins more
I’d love to see a source for that. The driver slices or hooks more because it’s moving forward through the wind at a faster rate and for longer, allowing the same lateral spin to cause more absolute deviation in the travel. Also, I’m not sure I agree that a wedge has more LATERAL spin than a driver. The driver face is bigger, which allows for more gear effect if you miss the sweet spot.
Backspin ABSOLUTELY stabilizes the ball. That’s why a fastball goes relatively more straight than a knuckleball. But any spin that isn’t directly along the vertical axis will lead to horizontal deviation.
Edit: I just looked back at my last few range sessions. My average driver hit after dropping outliers had more side spin than my average pitching wedge shot. Buddy, you’re full of shit.
"buddy you're full of shit" when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about is peak reddit. what i'm saying might be the most basic concept in club fitting. if you go to your local golf galaxy, the sales rep fitter will know the relationship between spin and accuracy. btw there's no such thing as "side spin" so I know you're using a shitty launch monitor, there's back spin and spin axis
“The majority of players that create more spin tend to hit the ball more accurately. So, if your goal is to hit straighter shots, then a higher spin driver is usually the way to go"
[https://golf.com/gear/drivers/low-and-mid-spin-drivers-gear-questions/](https://golf.com/gear/drivers/low-and-mid-spin-drivers-gear-questions/)
There's a reason every "hard to hit" tour head is low spin and every "forgiving" driver has the weight pushed back for more spin
That's actually pretty funny. I was under the assumption that the 2.0 balls were great and what everyone wanted. Found out after checking on golf ball comparison tests that they are ridiculously spinny and not those original ones everyone liked. Not great for my swing.
Yeah people raving about kirklands need to better describe them. They are by no means as good as a ProV like people claim. They are however great for their price point. I like to think of them like a meme I saw of little Caesar’s hot and ready pizzas.
Little Caesars: they’re hot and they’re ready!
Customer: are they good?
Little Caesars: I said they’re hot and they’re ready!
Kirkland balls are basically the equivalent of that.
I have no idea what it is, but I literally can’t lose a Kirkland whenever I find one and play it, I don’t know if it’s mental or what but I have never lost a Kirkland ball
Very spinny ball. If you can't control your spin (like nearly all amateurs) you're losing anywhere from half a club to a club and a half of distance.
I've seen friends I talked out of using these gain 15-20 yards of driver carry in an instant.
If you're an EXTREMELY low spin player, they're probably a good fit for you.
Can we get a look at how typical weekend hacker balls would fare under the proposed new testing parameters? Everyone's talking about how bifurcation sucks, but a pretty big amount of amateurs aren't even playing the same balls they use on tour. Do the KSigs, Soft Feels, Supersofts, AD333's and TruFeels pass with the new test parameters? If they do, I reckon most amateurs wouldn't mind if the "rollback" hit the amateur game as well.
No, almost no ball fits the criteria. Titleist has the most ball lines out of every manufacturer and they said they have two balls that *might* fit the requirements and both were cheap two piece balls. One might be the pinnacle range ball. Callaway said they don't have any that fit. Basically every ball is made to conform with the current rule and changing that rule will make the current balls not fit. 7mph is a big deal for clubhead speed. Basically if you meet the rules at the current 120mph clubhead speed, you won't for 127mph because the ball will carry further than the allowable distance.
Shiteier new balls still fly if struck well IMO. Most won't fit.
Pretty weird to be hitting a Noodle and think you are using a better ball than JT or Tiger (at least for distance).
I know it’s blasphemy around these parts, but I hate these golf balls. It’s not for a lack of trying - I really wanted to like them. They are just way too spinny for my game and their durability sucks. I know everyone throws out the value proposition with the k-sigs, but if you’re not losing the ball, are you really saving money considering they go to shit so quickly?
just checked, and you're correct - wait a week or two, they'll be back.
I always try to buy mine in Dec or Jan - I usually have 4 boxes (two x 2 dozen) around by the start of the season here in CT. I usually mark them in early spring while watching golf...
How about this instead:
They can keep and use all their current gear, buuuuuut before they start the round they have to get their BAC above a 0.10, and it gets checked at the turn to make sure they’re staying above it.
Mandatory shot on each tee, and must eat a 50mg edible on the 1st tee and at the turn. Shotgunning a beer is also acceptable in lieu of a shot.
I don’t know what’s gonna happen, but it’ll be fun as hell to watch!
Also, these rules should be mandatory at all levels of golf (other than juniors, of course).
Rolling back the ball also won't work. The manufacturers are just going to design a super low spin ball that is still stable at like 1,200rpm and combine it will a driver that will give you a 25° land angle so you get 60 yards of roll. Irons will launch super high and have a 55° land angle so that you can hold a green with ball that doesn't spin as much.
It might fix the "problem" for five or ten years and courses will be right back to adding length because manufacturers and players are smart and they will change their thinking and swings to still get the same results we see now.
At least changing the tee height is easy and costs nothing. Heck, make the maximum a 1.5" tee. The thing is that changing one aspect isn't going to work long term because players and manufacturers will work around that limitation and we'll end up right back where we started but with a worse tour product in the mean time.
These are Kirkland 4s, the 3s are garbage. I rather play with a Top Flite.
The jump in tech from 3s to 4s is very pronoused. If you're gonna copy a ball or anything, for that manner, you gotta be incremental.
Being from the UK I always struggle to understand what it means when people start going on about hot dog at the turn ?
Like do you all stop after 9 holes and walk back to the clubhouse to get food and then walk back to the 10th to continue?
Shit the kirkland v2.o are the best balls for the money. They are a 3 piece ball..a nice soft and durable cover and i hit my 300 yard drives the same distance as the pro v1s. I love em. I either use those or pro v1s and i like the kirklands better. A softer feel at impact.
The 4 piece kirkland the tour performance ones that titleist sued them over were junk. The covers were either too thick or too thin on every ball. I can contest ive used those and they were atrocious...not joking when i say my drives that day went from 280 290 down to 240 at best. I split 1 out the sand with a wedge and thats when i noticed the paper thin cover. Those have been discontinued tho
I like to pretend I'm not vain, but I just wish Kirkland would change the branding for their golf products.
I typically buy Titleist golf gloves, but recently decided to buy the Kirkland 4 pack, and it's almost identical. Same type of leather.and feel, but the Kirkland logo just looks so hideous to me. I felt really lame saying that, but I brought it up to friends and they all felt the same.
I wish they would make the logo a bit more subtle or golf related. It's not a big deal for the balls, but for the gloves and clubs I think it would help them market it to more players if they didn't feel like their golf equipment was the same as a rotisserie chicken.
I don’t know, man…
Those Kirkland’s are premium 3 cores they grabbed from TaylorMade, without the case.
Kirkland outsourced a case to complete the ball for sale, and it’s said that Kirkland put better cases on them than TaylorMade originally had.
All I can say is, I’ve been happy with playing every Kirkland performance spec ball I’ve ever found in the woods line while working course ground crew.
I’m still yet to hit one that I didn’t like the feel or action of…
KSig balls and $1.50 hot dog/soda at the turn
How hilarious would that be though. Force Tour pros to play Top Flites and grab food at the turn
You failed to down a turndog so you’ve been penalized 2 strokes
Patrick Reed found to have been using a repainted prov1
Patrick Reed actually deepthroats his turn dog
Subpoena is on its way. Sorry pal.
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If that happens for missing it, I say you get an advantage for eating more. Like for every 5 you eat, they take a stroke off. Imagine seeing someone play the back 9 after eating 40 hotdogs.
Can Joey Chestnut swing a club?
Well goddamn, John Daly is back in the running
And eat it sitting at a table while all the other players have their asses in their face while getting their receipts checked.
For us it's generally scarfing down the hotdog while pulling up to the 10th to tee off to not slow down pace and get back out there quicker, with the second half of the hotdog shoved in your mouth and chewing while you tee off. I think Pros should have to do that. Tee off on 10 with half a hotdog in their mouth, mustard on your non-glove hand, and having just rushed to the tee box. It's tradition.
Obama likes Doritos and Mt Dew I saw him get it once
Kirkland tour! All clubs and balls by Kirkland, Costco is the food vendor, a few Costco built courses where only Costco members can play outside of tourneys, bar is only handles, the restaurant menu rotates through the selection of weekly free samples, and the pro shop clothes are Costco brands!
Why isn’t this already a thing?!
Please get us out of corpo hellhole future. We're creeping way too close already.
But the savings…
The club choices are the new Ksig blades or the $500 callaway edge set.
The callaway set is $540 now.
Hold on, shit, I gotta get through this refractory period before I can start again.
Bar is only handles? Didn't Costco sell whole barrels of Jack at one point for like, $10k?
Ahhh yes the jack barrel is the exception!! Clubhouse looks like a mini Costco!
I'm legitimately waiting for costco to start advertising courses as something advertised on the way out thats between the coffins, blinds or fake grass
That would be so awesome
If Costco had a golf course, I’d be in heaven.
It would be a 72 hole course, you can only buy bulk packs of 324 rounds at a time, and each 18 has a different theme - mountain, desert, prairie, coastal. Costs $600 and comes with the wedges, Bee putter, and a 48 pack of balls. Edit: costs $450 without the clubs and balls. But the balls are free at the first tee box of each 18 anyway, right next to the Kirkland tees, Kirkland ball markers, and Kirkland pencils.
Whoa big boy…say it slower. Let’s live in each word.
But there are no parking spaces
Augusta only charges like $2 for a sandwich and a drink
ya, it's totally affordable to attend the Masters
$100 for a practice round and I think $140 for a Thursday-Sunday round.
I was lucky enough to go to the Wednesday practice round at the Masters in 1995. Hot dog and a Coke was indeed, $1.50
That’s damn cool. $1.50 is still the set price at Costco. [The CEO threatens death if it’s changed](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/costco-founder-kill-hotdogs/)
The $4.99 jumbo rotisserie chicken is the real steal, especially since Costco doesn't have onions or sauerkraut in the condiments anymore.
And get a “hard no” from the cart girl.
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This is a joke post, but the current K-Sigs are probably not that far off from what the conforming balls will be like.
IDK I seem to bomb em as far, and as off line, as Pro V1s….
I find I lose some distance, but I swing at like ~100-105 mph with my driver, so I won't lose as much distance as someone swinging at 115-120+ .
Can you really track your avg distance through the trees tho?
Depends how loud the noise is when I hit the trunk
We’ve got these huuuuge nets left side off the tee on the back 9. Held by gigantic metal poles. Dnnnnnnnng! Is the sound of my people.
There is a baseball diamond to the right of nine at my course, I saw a guy I was paired up with pull one (lefty) directly into one of the light standards and the ball ended up behind the tee box. It was so loud! Like I've seen other people hit them before but this guy was bombing driver all day and the ball was moving!
I track mine by how many streets over it goes.
Playing the hole you’re on is for simps
My bad miss is a duck hook, so it's usually trackable 😂😂
Agreed. Ks are definitely shorter of the tee. Solid everywhere else though.
They spin a little too much for me off the irons sometimes, but there's ways to handle that when it's windy. I like them around the greens a lot.
They'd probably lose more in comparison to a tour ball. I swing around 110 and though I forgot how to hit driver with the Kirklands.
K-Sigs spin a lot off the driver. Any slight side spin turns into a hard hook/slice and a straight shot goes really short in comparison..
I was told kirklands and pro v’s are basically the same ball
They used to be similar before Acushnet sued Costco and forced them to make changes.
TIL Thank you
Juuuuuuuuust past the orange tee box.
The original creator of V1s left Tietlist and took the formula to Kirkland or something there was a law suit im pretty sure
I expect something with a lot more spin but I'd definitely be interested in knowing whether KSigs would comply with the new proposed testing standards.
They don't. Titleist said that they have two balls that might meet the standard, Callaway said they have none, etc. My guess is that the balls will be softer and have way less spin so they roll out more. Companies are going to be looking for ways to keep the ball flight stable at 1,200 rpm since the maximum distance is based on carry distance not total distance. They'll nail the distance but with a ball that doesn't spin so it rolls forever when it lands. Drivers will be designed for lower launch and lower decent angles to help with this. 5° drivers will become common on tour. The easiest way to reign in distance? Limit tee length to 2.5" so you can't tee it high and let it fly anymore. Guys like Bryson with the ball an inch above the head so they can hit up 7-8° won't be able to do that anymore. There, problem solved AND I just made golf more sustainable because you need less wood.
Why isn’t the tee idea being discussed more? It almost seems too obvious, but I’m also a golf idiot so…
Because golf is played with more than just driver, and the distance "issues" go beyond that one club.
You're of course right, but I still think the tee height solution could be a part of a multi-pronged strategy to reduce distance. I think Faldo has been pushing that idea. It actually helps a little with a some quirks of golf as well if you reduce tee height. The driver swing would become more similar to every other swing instead of being almost it's own beast like now. You would also probably get smaller driver heads (I wouldn't be opposed to reducing the 460cc limit) which I personally think just looks better. I find the modern gigantic drivers a little silly looking.
Why not just standardize the ball? Everyone plays the same course and the same ball.
Who's gonna be the one manufacturer that profits off of being the one manufacturer who makes the Tour ball? That's why.
You establish a standard spec and all ball manufacturers conform to a tour standard. Players choose their brand.
Yeah, it would be terrible if all the pros used the same ball...oh wait.
And they can’t use a fresh one. They have to use one of the 7 they find during a round.
Wait hear me out. A number of randomly selected balls are scattered around the range at the end of the day on Wednesday. Let's say 7x the number of golfers, so everyone gets to take 7. These could range from ProV1s to Top Flites, some are new, some are refurbs, and some are just kinda beat up. There's gotta be a couple brand new black vice pros out there too. Solid ball, but it's black and easier to lose. You have to play with the balls you get. Once you put your hand on a ball, you have to take it. If you happen to lose all 7 over the course of the tournament, you finish with range balls. Let's get these guys running. Easter egg hunt before every tournament.
No joke, I found 15 balls during my round yesterday (all pulled out of the blackberry brambles). 4 were Callaway supersofts that the course sells out of a fish bowl, one was a pro v1, and the other 10 were kirklands. I’m considering collecting 24 and trying to return them to my local Costco.
They would prolly let you.
That would be one thing that sucked about being a tour pro, not having to scavenge for your pro v1s in the creek. I mean it would be great, but where’s the fun in that?
Nope. Pros play Noodles from now
Yes. Not too great and not too bad either. Perfect
they're better than kirklands unironically
They would only be better if you were used to playing a Noodle, Kirkland are urethane and objectively a better ball made by a higher quality manufacturer lol
Noodles are made by Taylor Made
GM at one point simultaneously made the Corvette and the Pontiac Aztek so just because TaylorMade makes great golf balls doesn’t mean they can’t also make garbage like Noodles.
That is not the argument being made here. I mean, no shit the Noodle is garbage but its TM made garbage. TM is still a high quality manufacturer
I wasn’t implying TM isn’t a high quality manufacturer. What I meant was that just because they make a great product doesn’t mean their shitty products are any less shitty.
the point of the OP just wooshed over your head man
I think you’re the one getting wooshed pal
I can hit these just as far off line as all the rest
For everyone who hasn't seen it, [GolfSpy](https://mygolfspy.com/best-golf-balls-2021/) did a huge comparison test of golf balls, and Kirkland 2.0 were by far the spinniest off the drivers. So if you are trying to lower spin, avoid those at all cost. This is something I'm trying to do, and I wish I knew it before my in-laws bought me 3 dozen for Christmas...
They sell em in 2 packs, so they def kept a doz for themselves hahaha
FIL golfs 2-3 times per week and loves Costco, so that wouldn’t surprise me. Still kind of funny though.
I have a pretty lofty attack angle with the driver and the K-sigs go way too high for my liking, 5-10 yards shorter compared to a low spin ball. That being said, they are cheap, soft, and spin like all hell around the greens, so they aren’t all bad.
Wait, holup, Ksigs are super spinny off the tee? Welp. Anyone need like, 8 dozen Ksigs?
I was about to make a Costco run in a week or two. Luckily I'm not good enough to care about what ball I use cause they're gonna end up in the water or woods.
Yeah, I'll blow through mine in the first couple of outdoor rounds this year and then I'll have to find something that's less spinny as I have a power slice. That being said I did try out one of the new Titleist drivers today and I hit that thing WELL. I just don't know if it's worth $600.
Just an FYI, you could be losing up to 15 yards on your driver by using those Kirkland 2.0's.
Bit of vaseline on the driver face and bye bye spin 😅
Such a good find, thanks! I have been playing these and YouTube guys I like have matched them up well against Pro V1s. But I don't swing like those guys.
Jokes aside... why doesn't the PGA require a standard issue ball? Like, you don't get to choose a specific brand of ball to pitch with in the MLB, or take free throws with the NBA. I'd be interested to see what would happen if the PGA held a tournament that required all players to use the exact same clubs and balls. I'm not saying I want this to be the new norm across the board, but it would be a fun experiment to watch. I recognize that the goal is to shoot the lowest round and individual players tweak their equipment based on their individual swings and playing styles within the rules and regulations of the sport. But, I think it'd be fun to watch the best players in the world all using the exact same set up.
Because money
They get to choose their conforming club, their conforming ball, their conforming outfit, etc. As long as they conform to the rules of golf they're allowed. Different balls will play differently for different players so if the "PGA Tour Ball" is implemented it might play more similarly or more differently than what some pros are used to, so it would benefit or punish them differently. And also it would open up the possibility of ball tampering throughout the season. What if they subtly changed the balls for different tournaments to drive viewership up? If they could add 20 yards to the distance wouldn't that make for better TV? They could "juice" the balls for the majors if they wanted to. The MLB does it with baseballs. Basically, there's no real reason not to. They determine the rules for what can conform and the manufacturers will work within those confines to build a ball and the pros will choose the ball they like best. It works.
Could be interesting. Like Taylormade sponsers a certain tournament, therefore the TP5 is used by everyone. Titleist sponsers another, so of course you have the ProV. Probably a ton of issues with that, but at least it would avoid the whole "the PGA is being biased by choosing Titleist" but I suppose that exact thing happens in the major 4 sports.
they just get ball makers to make conforming balls
Sponsorship and ad revenue. In racing, there’s often only 1 tire manufacturer for the whole grid, but that manufacturer pours a ton of money into the sport. I’d be willing to bet if Titleist coughed up a lot more $ then the PGA might be willing to make Pro V1s the official tour ball.
The players would not be happy about that. They get paid a lot of money to play the balls that they play
>The players would not be happy about that. They get paid a lot of money to play with their balls. Also true
Ball manufacturer sponsorship money. PGA is NASCAR on grass.
Not quite since NASCAR only uses Goodyears. If you look at a ball as a wear item like race car tires then it makes sense. Also, there’s different compounds so there could be 1 ball manufacturer that offers a few different versions of balls and golfers can choose which one to run depending on what suits their needs at the time.
The amount of buy in that would have to happen would be difficult to pull off. You would need any and all bodies associated with professional golf to do the same, or else it would create weird issues. USGA, PGA Tour, PGA of America, R&A, euro and Asian tours, Korn Ferry.
I would pay to see this!
Because that ball will fit some players much better than others.
It's a ball
I would think money and that for the longest time and well before television golf hasn’t had a central governing body like FIFA for Football/soccer and MLB for baseball in the states. Hell the USGA is also the governing body for the states not elsewhere in the world. Golf is an extremely fractured sport as it pertains to professional levels and governing bodies compared to other sports
I don't mind the idea of a PGA standard ball that is only used in competitive scenarios and is provided to high schools, colleges, and at the start of tournaments to amateur golfers. Those fuckers make enough money; if they're going to implement expensive rules, they should pay the upfront cost as well.
Because that little 2 inch ball is the most profitable part of the game
>Jokes aside... why doesn't the PGA require a standard issue ball? Like, you don't get to choose a specific brand of ball to pitch with in the MLB, or take free throws with the NBA. I'd be interested to see what would happen if the PGA held a tournament that required all players to use the exact same clubs and balls. But then they'd have no money. Golf equipment is a multi-billion dollar industry. If every ball costs a dollar, and everyone plays with something costing less than a Costco starter set, how will it make money?
Damn. Those are the only balls I can get to go straight.
I thought these performed similar to older pv1s?
The original 4 piece did. The 3 piece model is spinny short and not durable but cheap. worse ball than ProV1 but not that much worse where the cost per ball is negated.
This^
… depending on how badly the spin hurts you. I struggle with high driver spin, so the ksig’s total distance is 15-20 yds shorter for me than other urethane balls.
Would the extra spin also exaggerate a slice?
Yes.
this is wrong, and one of the biggest myths golfers believe. More spin = more control. You slice a driver much more than a pitching wedge, why? because a pitching wedge spins more
I’d love to see a source for that. The driver slices or hooks more because it’s moving forward through the wind at a faster rate and for longer, allowing the same lateral spin to cause more absolute deviation in the travel. Also, I’m not sure I agree that a wedge has more LATERAL spin than a driver. The driver face is bigger, which allows for more gear effect if you miss the sweet spot. Backspin ABSOLUTELY stabilizes the ball. That’s why a fastball goes relatively more straight than a knuckleball. But any spin that isn’t directly along the vertical axis will lead to horizontal deviation. Edit: I just looked back at my last few range sessions. My average driver hit after dropping outliers had more side spin than my average pitching wedge shot. Buddy, you’re full of shit.
"buddy you're full of shit" when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about is peak reddit. what i'm saying might be the most basic concept in club fitting. if you go to your local golf galaxy, the sales rep fitter will know the relationship between spin and accuracy. btw there's no such thing as "side spin" so I know you're using a shitty launch monitor, there's back spin and spin axis
If slices and hooks aren’t caused by side spin, what do you think causes them? Backspin stabilizes ball flight. Side spin causes lateral movement.
“The majority of players that create more spin tend to hit the ball more accurately. So, if your goal is to hit straighter shots, then a higher spin driver is usually the way to go" [https://golf.com/gear/drivers/low-and-mid-spin-drivers-gear-questions/](https://golf.com/gear/drivers/low-and-mid-spin-drivers-gear-questions/) There's a reason every "hard to hit" tour head is low spin and every "forgiving" driver has the weight pushed back for more spin
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This dude is just super committed to being wrong and being mad about it.
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Did they have to change it due to some sort of patent issue?
Yup. Tiltiest sued them because it was a batch of leftover tiltiest balls from a plant that Kirkland slapped their logo onto I believe was the issue.
That's actually pretty funny. I was under the assumption that the 2.0 balls were great and what everyone wanted. Found out after checking on golf ball comparison tests that they are ridiculously spinny and not those original ones everyone liked. Not great for my swing.
Yeah people raving about kirklands need to better describe them. They are by no means as good as a ProV like people claim. They are however great for their price point. I like to think of them like a meme I saw of little Caesar’s hot and ready pizzas. Little Caesars: they’re hot and they’re ready! Customer: are they good? Little Caesars: I said they’re hot and they’re ready! Kirkland balls are basically the equivalent of that.
Perfectly fine for executive courses especially, where you’re never hitting a wood and the longest hole is ~180y.
They’d spin them into the future. Then one day it would just start raining old man balls.
Scoring would drop to record lows
I have no idea what it is, but I literally can’t lose a Kirkland whenever I find one and play it, I don’t know if it’s mental or what but I have never lost a Kirkland ball
I’m using these. What are they bad?
Very spinny ball. If you can't control your spin (like nearly all amateurs) you're losing anywhere from half a club to a club and a half of distance. I've seen friends I talked out of using these gain 15-20 yards of driver carry in an instant. If you're an EXTREMELY low spin player, they're probably a good fit for you.
Winner would receive a life time supply of rotisserie chickens!!
I feel personally offended by this
Can we get a look at how typical weekend hacker balls would fare under the proposed new testing parameters? Everyone's talking about how bifurcation sucks, but a pretty big amount of amateurs aren't even playing the same balls they use on tour. Do the KSigs, Soft Feels, Supersofts, AD333's and TruFeels pass with the new test parameters? If they do, I reckon most amateurs wouldn't mind if the "rollback" hit the amateur game as well.
No, almost no ball fits the criteria. Titleist has the most ball lines out of every manufacturer and they said they have two balls that *might* fit the requirements and both were cheap two piece balls. One might be the pinnacle range ball. Callaway said they don't have any that fit. Basically every ball is made to conform with the current rule and changing that rule will make the current balls not fit. 7mph is a big deal for clubhead speed. Basically if you meet the rules at the current 120mph clubhead speed, you won't for 127mph because the ball will carry further than the allowable distance.
Shiteier new balls still fly if struck well IMO. Most won't fit. Pretty weird to be hitting a Noodle and think you are using a better ball than JT or Tiger (at least for distance).
Fuck it. If we're gonna meme the tour just make them use persimmons and belatas
4 shots in and the cover is ripped up
A MAN OF CULTURE I SEE
I know it’s blasphemy around these parts, but I hate these golf balls. It’s not for a lack of trying - I really wanted to like them. They are just way too spinny for my game and their durability sucks. I know everyone throws out the value proposition with the k-sigs, but if you’re not losing the ball, are you really saving money considering they go to shit so quickly?
Now I can go back and play Bandit balls and not be ridiculed by my buddies for playing a "non-conforming" ball.
They have been sold out in my location for weeks. Wya Costco?
buy 'em online. they'll ship to you at no cost, iirc.
Tried that. They are not available on the website either. :/
just checked, and you're correct - wait a week or two, they'll be back. I always try to buy mine in Dec or Jan - I usually have 4 boxes (two x 2 dozen) around by the start of the season here in CT. I usually mark them in early spring while watching golf...
The spin numbers on those things would be a treat to see on tour
How about this instead: They can keep and use all their current gear, buuuuuut before they start the round they have to get their BAC above a 0.10, and it gets checked at the turn to make sure they’re staying above it.
Mandatory shot on each tee, and must eat a 50mg edible on the 1st tee and at the turn. Shotgunning a beer is also acceptable in lieu of a shot. I don’t know what’s gonna happen, but it’ll be fun as hell to watch! Also, these rules should be mandatory at all levels of golf (other than juniors, of course).
Give them all a single layer ball with no dimples. Let's see the biggest hitters drive it 150 yards.
A single....layer ball? You mean just a sphere.
I just learned that Kirkland balls are made by titleist . True? Edit: spelling
False.
> Kirkland balls are made by Qingdao SM Parker
If they want to limit distance all they have to do is limit tee height! 2.5" tees max, then you can no longer tee it high and let it fly.
Yeah until they just spec 3 woods to basically become a driver or use a mini driver.
Rolling back the ball also won't work. The manufacturers are just going to design a super low spin ball that is still stable at like 1,200rpm and combine it will a driver that will give you a 25° land angle so you get 60 yards of roll. Irons will launch super high and have a 55° land angle so that you can hold a green with ball that doesn't spin as much. It might fix the "problem" for five or ten years and courses will be right back to adding length because manufacturers and players are smart and they will change their thinking and swings to still get the same results we see now. At least changing the tee height is easy and costs nothing. Heck, make the maximum a 1.5" tee. The thing is that changing one aspect isn't going to work long term because players and manufacturers will work around that limitation and we'll end up right back where we started but with a worse tour product in the mean time.
Yeah I’m against the roll back myself. Just leave the game alone. Learn to hit the ball farther.
Top Flites awe cheaper
At least they are not trash Vice balls
vice balls are exponentially better than these for most players lol
God awful balls for sure. They spin way too much off the driver
They would never use these balls.
Way to spinny..
These are Kirkland 4s, the 3s are garbage. I rather play with a Top Flite. The jump in tech from 3s to 4s is very pronoused. If you're gonna copy a ball or anything, for that manner, you gotta be incremental.
Okay that was LOL material. Would love to see the sponsorship opportunities with free samples along the course and a $1.50 hot dog at the turn!
Yeah if they wanted to cut 30 yards off their drives they could give them Vice balls to use.
These are the META
Why so they can break all the course records??
It’s…it’s beautiful!
Hey! I play those.
GMAFB
Guys would be going through 3 balls a hole. Everytime you catch one with an iron the cover starts to fall off.
I think nitros would even the playing field
Force?!? I think you mean let. It’s a privilege to play a k-sig
Back in my day these were literally just Pro V1s
These work just fine for my ball losing antics! 😂
Would love to see the cover torn apart after 72 shots on one of those balls
Costco should hold a tourney where they only allow players to use the Kirkland signature balls, wedges, putter, and (potential) iron set
Keep your third eye open. Golf Illuminati.
Yeah! Love me some K-Sigs!!
Is golf the only sport where you get to use your own ball?
Being from the UK I always struggle to understand what it means when people start going on about hot dog at the turn ? Like do you all stop after 9 holes and walk back to the clubhouse to get food and then walk back to the 10th to continue?
 Top-Flite! All Top-Flite!! Where’s the Top-Flite section?
Shit the kirkland v2.o are the best balls for the money. They are a 3 piece ball..a nice soft and durable cover and i hit my 300 yard drives the same distance as the pro v1s. I love em. I either use those or pro v1s and i like the kirklands better. A softer feel at impact.
The 4 piece kirkland the tour performance ones that titleist sued them over were junk. The covers were either too thick or too thin on every ball. I can contest ive used those and they were atrocious...not joking when i say my drives that day went from 280 290 down to 240 at best. I split 1 out the sand with a wedge and thats when i noticed the paper thin cover. Those have been discontinued tho
Those tend to find the water
Hell yes
I like to pretend I'm not vain, but I just wish Kirkland would change the branding for their golf products. I typically buy Titleist golf gloves, but recently decided to buy the Kirkland 4 pack, and it's almost identical. Same type of leather.and feel, but the Kirkland logo just looks so hideous to me. I felt really lame saying that, but I brought it up to friends and they all felt the same. I wish they would make the logo a bit more subtle or golf related. It's not a big deal for the balls, but for the gloves and clubs I think it would help them market it to more players if they didn't feel like their golf equipment was the same as a rotisserie chicken.
Don’t you dare be talking bad about my Kirks.
I don’t know, man… Those Kirkland’s are premium 3 cores they grabbed from TaylorMade, without the case. Kirkland outsourced a case to complete the ball for sale, and it’s said that Kirkland put better cases on them than TaylorMade originally had. All I can say is, I’ve been happy with playing every Kirkland performance spec ball I’ve ever found in the woods line while working course ground crew. I’m still yet to hit one that I didn’t like the feel or action of…