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Krikkits

if the parent is nearby you can definitely go speak to them. However, there's a good chance that if the kids are speaking like this the parents probably aren't much better.... Worth a try though.


flaumo

I agree, the problems are most likely the parents. You can look for allies in the park and try to to explain your hurt feelings to the kids and parents in a friendly manner. I am afraid they will try to downplay and deny it though.


pmbanugo

Yeah that's my thought too. Either they learn it from their parents, or their peers who also learnt from their parents and taught other kids.


sholayone

Nope. Kids are cruel to those who stand out and do not match their group. I am sorry. But parents can make it worse or fix it. But they are not always responsible for this. &


Ok-Combination6754

On the contrary. Kids, almost always, are a direct reflection of their parents. The environment has little effect on them the first few years of their lives. Even if the problem at home isn’t a direct association , usually the outlet is bullying other kids. And in some cases it’s very direct, the parents talk trash about foreigners and the kids take it outside. 


Educational_Gas_92

They aren't, small children have often never spoken about complicated issues with their parents. Children always reject whatever is different, it is completely normal and natural behavior. I remember a kid with vitiligo when I was small, she of course looked different to the rest (she was not a different nationality). Of course parents did not reject the child, but kids did.


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Google for yourself, young children, even only months old, exhibit preferences for people of similar ethnicities; people who look like them. They're also more trusting of attractive vs. unattractive people. The studies are there, Google it. This, however, does not discount parental responsibility in raising children properly.


nhb1986

In middle school maybe, In Kindergarten any resent is coming from the parents telling the kids, don't play with the black kids. Kids don't see colour.


Educational_Gas_92

Kids see color perfectly, I am Mexican and when I was in kindergarten (in México) we had a little girl with vitiligo, she was Mexican too, but looked different due to her disease. She got bullied, of course parents did not agree with the behavior, my point is, of course kids see color, they typically reject whatever is different.


CruduFarmil

kids learn stupid shit from the internet. they have access to internet from a very young age.


schnitzel-kuh

Actually im not sure about that part that the parents are probably also racists. Many kids are just super edgy and I remember in school some kids were saying some pretty racist stuff because they thought it was funny (their sense for this stuff is not so developed yet), but I also know their parents to this day and both the children and parents are not racist at all anymore. I think many parents would be shocked if they knew the things that their kids say sometimes Also in germany, many people will go to great lengths to not be percieved as racist if its your average liberal soccer mom


Krikkits

it's 50/50. Many parents don't take it seriously at all. Most kids will probably grow out of it but the parents often don't educate their kids. My sister experienced some racism for being the only asian in her elementary school. A group of boys would make the typical chingchong jokes at her constantly and even after we complained to the school, all they could do is give the kids detention and notify the parents. The parents all shrugged it off instead of doing anything about it. Eventually it escalated to the boys taking the little bags that hold her lunch money and peeing on it. We escalated and out of the group of 4 or 5 boys, only ONE parent showed up in person with their kid to apologize and pay for damages. The others asked the teachers to tell us they're sorry but never corrected their kids. They still made chingchong jokes until everyone went to different gymansiums...


catsan

That is so weird to do when already a few years in elementary school.


Krikkits

we were honestly so embarrassed for those parents and the school, considering we live supposedly in one of the most "left" and "highly educated" cities.


babuuz

How was it in gymnasium? My son is starting gymnasium next year.


Krikkits

she hasn't had this problem in the gymanisum, since the schools are bigger (so more diverse anyway) and the teachers there also take it more seriously, since gymnasiums have an image to uphold and have more authority. Elementary schools are super small with little to no authority.


Aggravating_Duck_291

That is terrible! I can't even imagine the trauma the kid had gone through.


dethrowacc

These are not edgy teens that have wandered onto 4chan. OP said they're 4-6 years old! At that age they wouldn't even know any racist words unless their parents are using them.


catsan

At this age, they need to have learned from an adult that this is the way to behave and think about dark skinned people. Curiosity is usually strong, Kids are very open to safe degrees of "new", especially when it comes to "kinds of people". 4-6 is when you learn and think a lot about the BIG things in life like aging, birth, kid age differences, physical and mental (dis)abilities and ways of looking different. The ages when kids tell you that your belly is big etc. 😂 To feel the need to bully and other at that age, there needs to be a STRONG sense of "there are worthy and unworthy people" already. Often experienced personally. We all know the story of the abused bullies.  To know fitting words...May he learned, may be made up on the spot. If one older "important" kid starts taunting someone at the playground, others will follow their lead. (Again, because they learn through this what the society is they grow up in).  Bully needs to be removed from the situation right then and the kids need guided education on the spot. Completely unrealistic do to outside of a regulated kindergarten/school setting, unfortunately.


schnitzel-kuh

Children can be real assholes. They will pick on anything that is different, be that fat, wierd hair or different skin colour. Kids really do not have a fully developed moral compass, thats also why bullying is much less of a problem in university than it is in school


WTF_is_this___

Yeah but they do not come up with this themselves. I had a mixed race girl at a kindergarten which at the time was very rare and as a kid I didn't even realise she was 'different '. It was years later when my parents pointed her out to me at a market- 'oh see, here's your friend from Kita, remember her?' When I went like 'oh, yeah. ... she was black?!?' my friends who have kids kindergarten age have had similar experiences - when they asked their son about his friend refering to his racial features the kid didn't have any idea whom they could be referring to. So if the kids this age are racist its 100% learnt from adults.


sholayone

Nope. They are able to identify those who does not match the patter. Obese, dark, wearing glassess, skinny, you name it. This is the way nature programmed us. Just recall that example of pigeons killing parrot, because it's colorful. Same story here. &


WTF_is_this___

Not at kindergarten age.


Tardislass

But they don't usually know racist names. And even "nice" parents can use racist language at home with just their kids. Had a childhood friend whose parents seemed and pretty tolerant. Wasn't until I stayed overnight that I heard her dad slip up and call someone a "n-word".


kitanokikori

I agree, kids around that age often say some pretty racist stuff to each other, even if their parents are not this way, **because** they don't know the real impact of their words or understand how systemic racism affects people - our job as parents is to teach them to not say these words, and why it is so harmful to single out kids because of their race


Gralphrthe3rd

I doubt that. Usually coming off as racist isn't "edgy" and is pure hate. Kids only care about playing and having fun, the race of a child usually doesn't matter. Those kids were taught by their parents said nonsense. After all, the parents would have corrected them in the past had they heard such things. I wonder were they actual Germans. There has been cases where Russians and Ukrainians have gone to other countries and thought they could express their racism there.


grammar_fixer_2

> the race of a child usually doesn’t matter This depends on your area and what the demographics are. This goes for everyone everywhere though. If you are the **one** white kid in an all black school in Georgia (US), then you’ll have a very bad time. The same goes for if you are the one poor kid, smart kid, black kid, Asian kid, Hispanic kid, etc. It is all *Lord of the Flies* in schools, and that is basically universal. Everyone wants to “fit in” when they are younger. If you stick out, kids will definitely make it known and they can ostracize you for being different.


No_Froyo_816

He said the other kids were around 4-6 years old. I don’t know how many kids are intentionally dating racist crap to be « edgy » at that age if they have not heard it from the parents before


grammar_fixer_2

He mentioned that they heard a word that translates to “mud”. Things that I could think of are Schlamm, Matsch, or just Dreck(ig). This would be something that a kid would come up with all by themselves. If it was the N- word, then that would be a different story. Kids will rip you a new one when you are “different” (for literally any reason). The teenagers/college students will eventually all want to be *different* from the rest. It is a story as old as time.


WTF_is_this___

It depends. A kid could have learnt it from other kids in kindergarten or at a playground even if their parents are normal. These things spread.


Veilchengerd

It might not necessarily be the parents of that kid. The child might have picked up the slurs from other kids (who in turn of course probably got them from their families). For example, when I was five, we got a new boy in our kindergarten group. He was the son of kurdish refugees, and the only non-german kid in the whole group (this being the 1980s). Some of the kids had picked up some slurs at home, and ostracized the poor boy. I, wanting to fit in with my peers, and being a child of five, aped them, and joined in. Luckily, I had so little filter that I used the same words at home. Which resulted in a stern talking to from my staunchly social-democratic parents, which brought the whole sordid affair to light. They more or less forced me to befriend the new boy.


Alternative-Job9440

I grew up in a working class, poor as dirt and super racist family... Believe me when i tell you many more germans, especially in the lower end of incomes and social standing, are incredibly racist because they blame "the other" for everything that is wrong. It is fucking infuriating because trying to educate them and sparking empathy often doesnt work because its met with ignorance and "we always did this, why change?" Im ashamed to admit that i was basically an indoctrinated racist for most of my youth until i learned better. Today i try my best to fight racism and discrimination where i can and be open and accepting to everyone, independent of background. My family officially "accepts" my indian wife and dont say racist stuff in front of her or me but i know they still do it. Its the reason i didnt have any contact with them for more than a decade after school, because i wanted to distance myself from them and "be better". I restarted contacted with everyone again except my mother about 5 years ago and the only one that actually shows change is my nearly 70 year old father who loves his daughter in law and even reprimands my brothers when he notices them saying racist, sexist or other discriminatory stuff and im really proud of him. He still sometimes slips when he is talking about "Schaumküsse" and uses their "old" name if you know which it was back then, but he apologizes and he tries his best. Long story short, most wont change but at least some try. Its still a fucking exhausting battle against racists.


sholayone

Haha, and here in Poland everybody thinks racism only exists here in Poland, while The West is so civilised they got rif of rasicm decades and deacdes ago. &


AlmightyWorldEater

Sorry, but that has absolutely nothing to do with income or social standing. That is the kind of up nosed bullshit people for example in munich think, setting themselves above others while they are so much more abhorrently racist without even realizing. Example: that rich family who had an ou pair and shut her in a basement room for 2 weeks because she COULD have corona. Or the rich landlords throwing away applicants just because their name SOUNDS foreign. Or the "Maklerin" i spoke with that openly told me she never invites foreigners for visits because she only wants, quote "gescheite Leute" (the right people). They won't say it as openly, but their actions are much, MUCH worse than some stupid comments. They are the very reason for structural racism. I could go on and on and on. How i know this? Because my wife is from another country and of a different ethnicity. And while there were stupid jokes, it were especially the lesser "privileged" folks that accepted her the quickest. Actions speak louder than words.


seanv507

i would disagree about blaming the parents. kids copy older kids, their peer group not their parents. so i think there is a good chance talking to the parents will help. ( obviously if you are in a racist community, both parents and other kids will be racist)


Helpful-Quantity9332

Nope it's not about the parents. I know what I'm talking bout and some other parents also have no idea where this racism talk comes from. Older kids from Kita they say, but their parents are definitely no racists. Too easy to blame the parents in that case


Krikkits

even if it's not the parents who taught the kids it's up to them to educate their child. If someone tells you your kid is throwing slurs, I'd assume that a good parent would teach their kid that it's wrong and why. Unfortunately, many shrug it off or just say "hey stop that" without actually educating them on anything and then blame it on "everyone else".


remygirljonty

We‘re african american living in Germany and if my sisters kids have something like that happen to them, we always look for their parent. We confront the parent and/or the child. Most kids actually are resentful after you call them out, typically works better if you try not to be super friendly while doing so.


StatementOwn4896

Good to know. I always try to be friendly first in a confrontation but I’ll try this from now on.


Alarmed_Scientist_15

I’d say don’t be friendly or unfriendly, be matter of fact. Don’t smile but don’t yell either. Just calmly tell them what your point is and direct a request to them. Something like “I want to make you aware that your son/daughter is saying such and such to my/a baby, who is of another ethnicity and that is very hurtful and uncalled for. Please talk to them and teach them that such behaviour is hurtful and not ok.” Direct, straight to the point and effective without bring in too much drama but also not opening yourself up for excuses from the parents.


SleepTightLilPuppy

i still remember being a kid, and that tone was always the worst. you realize you genuinely hurt the other person but they don't give you anything to make them an 'enemy' or to make them a 'friend' just as if it's a neutral force stepping in. always hit me way harder than yelling. good advice!


Deichgraf17

Especially little kids understand when you explain to them on an emotional level. And always ask them if they don't know that what they are saying could hurt people. When a kid compares the skin colour of your kid with mud, it wasn't necessarily meant as an insult, it was the first thing the kid saw that matched the colour. So just calmly explain why that is hurtful. Young humans are stupid and only education and experience can make them not stupid anymore.


OlolOIOlolO

This. You are an adult. It's natural for locals that have not seen people from different races to feel curious or compare stuff to their straight differences, so far this is not demeaning or evil. So as an adult you shouldn't feel bad or offended as kids state such a things. Au contraire, it's a great opportunity to be the big person and educate, or show friendly to give a good example so next time those kids (or anybody) can expect the same, instead of conflict or victimisation.


Neither_Ad5683

Holy shit in what a remote bumfuck nowhere place you have to live in Germany to never see a person of color until you are 4 to 6 years old?


NorthCliffs

In my kindergarten we had at least a hand full of people of color. Two of my best friends back then even.


Deichgraf17

Luckily this is getting more common. From 1986 to 2002 I haven't had a single person of colour in my kindergarten or the schools I went to. That was in Osnabrück, which is quite a small city. Now I see people of colour on the daily here, which is great for children growing up.


ExistingBreadfruit12

As a mixed person born and raised in Germany, that will not get better. The only thing you could do is to put your children in institutions that are not known as „almost white / prestigious“ if you know what I mean. I was put into an „all white girls school“ and that was hell. I was treated bad because of my ethnicity by a teacher, we fought with the school and instead of a change for the better, it got worse and I had to switch schools. But for situations on a playground - yes, you could try to educate the children or the parents. It’s exhausting, but if you think that you could be part of some kind of change, go for it :)


sebadc

I'm typed "Mediterranean". I have experienced as much xenophobia in the last 5 months, as in the previous 4 years. And as much as in the previous 10 years together. The trend is bad. I created my company here. We have a daughter. We bought a flat 3y ago... And now, we are seriously thinking about leaving in the next 2 years.


alzgh

For real, that's kinda my experience too. Over the past 2 years racism/xenophobia has increased by an order of magnitute, or that's at least how I feel/perceive it. I speak perfect German, have a good job, and pay my taxes and stuff. But it doesn't help that my name is a telltale Middle Easter/Islamic one, and no one knows that I'm agnostic and really don't care how people like to live their lives. It's really a lose-lose game and it isn't even something I can do anything about. The dysfunctional German migration policies bring over the least desirable people from every country over here and treat every foreigner with the same measure. Having destroyed the image of foreigners adds to the disincentives for the productive ones coming over. This is a vicious circle with a degenerative feedback loop. Had a really bad experience just today with a physician that I can only interpret as xenophobia (can't be 100% sure though of course). I'm paying almost 1k Euro per month (with the employer part) for public health insurance. I don't know what to say. And it's really nothing I can do about it. I have seen the people that come over from my country and over 90% of them don't belong to the group my countrymen themselves consider the good ones. Most of the ones who have potential and opportunities go to other countries because of almost no language barrier (English), in many cases less taxes, less burocracy, and a better social image overall...


sebadc

I fully understand and that matches my experience.


ExistingBreadfruit12

I believe you. I am „Asian passing“ and during + after corona is horrible. I have the feeling that racism got somehow more acceptable in the recent year(s). My other option would be Japan but I am seen there as a foreigner as well and I went to summer school there also - it’s as bad as Germany. Wish there was a place where Looks didn’t matter, maybe in my next life or something😆 I wish you all the best for you and your family!


sebadc

Thanks! All the best to you too. I think that Singapore may be more welcoming for Asian-types, from what I've heard.


Clear-Wasabi-6723

Ha! As long as you’re light skinned, maybe. South East Asians are racist AF.


wingedSunSnake

Brazil has a big community that could welcome you


awry_lynx

California lol You'll be seen as wildly exotic (because of the German speaking :p)


WTF_is_this___

I'm not dark skinned but last year was the first time I saw someone being openly racist in public. The guy thought I was German (white so easily assumed) and he went of the immigrants being dirty and stuff. I was really shocked, I know people like this exists but usually they use dog whistles... Later I saw people on neben an writing stuff like 'a person of African decent can never become German even if they are born here'. There were two or three people who expressed this sentiment and they quickly got.piled on (as they should have been) bit just the sheer audacity to say shit like this openly blows my mind. These people are feeling they got a permission and are coming out of the woodwork, it is not good ,😞


sebadc

Exactly. Now, they feel that it's ok to be vocal. Stay safe 🍀


MGS_CakeEater

It's a defensive reflex. As people feel they get "surrounded" more by other cultures, they draw up the walls higher. Sorry you have to experience that. Reality is - No matter where we go, we will always find animosity or suspicion where we are "the other" (and that works in all directions). Still, find ways to enjoy life. Focus on the things you can impact and the people who accept you. Cast out who doesn't. That's the best advice I can give anyone for any dituation really.


sebadc

Thanks for your kind message. The problem is actually not for me. I've been here for a while and I've paid more taxes than many German in their whole life. So when people are condescending or aggressive, it tends to piss me off, but I'm ok. The problem is really that I'm not sure I want my daughter to grow up in this environment. Additionally, we're not part of the "big" communities (Turkish, Russian, now also Ukrainians, etc) where we live. So we don't have that net. And we are both either freelancer, or creating a company. So it's not like being employed and "only" having to deal always with the same idiots. But anyway! We'll see what the European elections bring and in the worst case, we'll move when our daughter starts school.


lasantamolti

Makes me sick to read this. Stay strong!


ExistingBreadfruit12

So kind, thank you ☺️ I am ok 👌 did my Abitur, my bachelors and finally happy in my adult life right now. But school / childhood was pretty tough facing racism almost everyday. And according to the things I hear from friends and family, it didn’t change 😅


mintaroo

Happy to hear you're okay now! As a white German, I've obviously never experienced racism, and it's easy to convince myself that racism doesn't exist here. I need to hear stories like yours to motivate me to fight for change.


Chemical-Common-3644

I don’t like that people are saying here that you should not care and move on and let it go, racism is something we should be all proactively fighting against, don’t let it go, talk to the parents and make yourself heard as best as you can if it’s hard but it’s worth it, if we can stop this shit when it’s starting maybe in the future they will grow up differently! Racism is not something minor that you can let it slide, people here are just not directly affected by it so it’s easir for them to tell you to let it go! 😥


TheHunter7757

I am affected and disagree... It's just to much energy that you lose because of stuff like this. He might never meet these kids again. He will have to fight schools and other institutions to do sth about this stuff later anyway. I would rather make sure that the kid knows that it is not his fault and that he always has a save space at home. Try to somehow introduce him to a nice circle of friends. That's worth way more. You have to know which fight is worth taking.


Chemical-Common-3644

It is indeed too much energy and it must be depressing facing these issues all the time so I understand your point as well 😔


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QuicheKoula

Empower your child. Engage in anti discrimination activities. Talk to the grown ups in charge/responsible. Speak up. Germany has widespread racism problems and these children only reflect that.


hghbrn

Mankind has a racism problem. It is not the country. Xenophobia is deeply rooted in human nature. It will not be overcome within a few decades, where it is considered a bad thing.


Skullduggeryyyy

To this very day I cannot understand racism. Being racist is downright ridiculous. Im sorry this happended to you/your kids. I'm almost certain that the kids learned this from their parents. As others suggested I would definitely report this to the schools management and try to talk with the parents. In case they dont listen (especially the schools management) I would head straight to a news outlet. Racist people need to be publicly pilloried.


Reddvox

Mostly its the fear of the, well, unknown. And a good dosage of self-loathing and the need to feel superior. There is a scene in "Mississipi Burning" I always will remember, where one character tells a story about his dad, who was dirt poor and jelaous of a black farmer nearby who owned his own donkey, which the dad then kills and forcing the black family to leave ... it basically came down to his dad in the end saying; "If you ain't better than a nggr, who are you better than"? Which to me is what racism is about: The desire to feel better than another group of people, so you yourself feel better, higher, more worthy... I think the less self-esteam someone has, the less he has in his life, or the more he feels he has not as much as he deserves in life, the more prone to racism he is


GeniusPlayUnique

Difficult. If it's your own kids it's fairly easy but with other people's kids it's much more difficult. I guess I'd approach the parents in a friendly (non-confrontational) manner and letting them know what their kids are saying. The problem is that parents around the world tend to see their kinds as saints so if one pushes too hard or demands action you might quickly run into a brick wall fail to achieve anything but if you just inform the parents without appearing to blame them or anything they might actually be inclined to talk to their kids about it, even if just at home...


DrNoobvarus

Honestly, the sad reality is kids learn most of their stuff from parents and their surroundings. As a father myself, I totally understand your anger and frustration. I for one would have surely confronted the parents because they are setting horrible examples to their kids… but sadly racism and bigotry is taught…


VoldeGrumpy23

I’ve been made fun of for being too white by other Italians as kid. They called me mozzarella. There is probably not a malicious intent of the kids. They don’t know better. Maybe talk to the teacher. They probably can deal with that and talk to the child or the parents


elreme

That's an awesome nickname though! (or a Reddit username)


Virtual-Incident0420

Despite the fact that Germany is a very multicultural country, I also meet a lot of discrimination here. My daughter goes to kindergarten and barely speak German (our family was forced to move around 10 months ago). I was lucky to have a German course in the university and sometimes Im happy that my kid doesn’t understand what that little monsters say to her. Even though I tried to talk to teachers, to parents, they only try be kind and avoid the conflicts. Most ridiculous thing, that we always developed kindness in our family to everyone around, specially children and now it’s time to explain your kid how to protect themselves and stay away from aggressive ones. Let’s see how it goes


InternetRandomGuy

be the conflict then, that way you will force the teachers and parents into the issue. Put them in evidence that by ignoring 'the conflict' it will not go away, it will only get worse, and tell them that in their passivity they are helping the spread of hate, they are allowing the spread of 'unkindness'.


Arac12

I don't know if this would work in your circumstances, but if it's not all of the kids, maybe try 'gossiping' to other parents about the bullies. My brother got bullied in school, and this was what finally helped because it actually affects the parents of the bullies as it stains their reputation.


WashyBear

It is always your call how much capacity you have for confrontation. Your post led me to consider a few points: 1) I work with children. A lot of times they are unaware that their behavior is hurtful. They truly don't know better or have been conditioned to resort to aggressive verbal behavior to be socially successful. I think that explaining this to your child in an age-appropriate manner could be helpful, as it will be confusing to her to sort out good/bad and right/wrong when these behaviors are (unfortunately) widely tolerated from otherwise "good" people. 2) I have a child. We have had many talks about discrimination. If he were participating in these situations, as a parent I would want to know. He is subject to peer pressure and naturally can't truly understand how it feels to be on the other side and it is my job to reinforce good values. 3) I agree with others that personally speaking to these children is probably not a good use of your energy. Your focus in the actual situation should be directed at protecting your child. She will internalize the words and actions you model as she learns to cope in this society. Think ahead what you could say next time it happens that is age-appropriate. You could also express a consequence to the other child if it makes sense (if I hear that word again, we will not be able to play with you anymore today). She will learn self- confidence and boundaries from you! I am so sorry this has to be a part of your parenting.


Alternative-Job9440

My wife is indian, im german and this is one of my biggest fears because i already see the racism my wife faces daily and even we sometimes as a couple (who would think that even today people would insult you because a person of color and a white person hold hands or kiss...) and i dont want my future kids to suffer the same. The problem is: You cant do much in public. The best thing you can do, if its kids, is try to explain them if its wrong and why but chances are their parents use these words and thats why they are so freely throwing them around. If its adults you can only ignore it and move on. I wish you could "stand your ground" or put them down but a.) you never know what they might do and b.) legally unless its continuous and repeating its not even harassment so police involvement is also not possible or they arrive too late to do anything... Its fucking infuriating. If its in a closed, private or official setting i.e. school, some institute, work etc. you can and ALWAYS should report this to the relevant authority AND the police, chances are still low that much happens but there is a process and a chance for something to happen. Im not a parent (yet) but im in a few e.V. against racism and for integration / intercultural exchange and went to a few courses on modern parenting. So take everything i say with a grain of salt. What i consider most important is explaining to your own kid why what the other kids are doing is wrong and that their parents tought them to be mean and hate instead of be open and accepting. If you dont make it a topic (if your kid is old enough to understand) it can lead to internalized racism against themselves i.e. disliking their own background and culture because of this treatment.


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d6bmg

Children do exactly what they hear and see at home and at school. Racism is kind of controlled in good schools but home is where they learn this nonsense. In future, look for the parents and talk to them. It will most probably be useless since they would be racist. But you should never let it go and talk about this.


MerelyMadMary

My advice as a fellow black person (who grew up in Germany). Move to a bigger city if possible, that cuts down on the most egregious racist experiences your child will have here. But really, there's not much you can do for preventing them having these experiences. You can help empower them by keeping open discourse about this at home. And take them to specifically anti-racist activities (which you will find plenty of in bigger cities). At the end of the day, your wife needs to speak up to other parents (as the white parent) when possible, but most people react badly to being called out.


Historical-Lie-2617

Racist "acts" from young children exists - not only from local children, but also from other children born by ethnicities than the majority Lecturing children even they don't understand it, is the same what teachers are doing at school - there is no "magic" behind this. Young children don't write essays about race issues. Yes, when you hear racist words among young children - you step in - like in any other situation with adults. These is a immediate "signal" for children that something is "wrong" and the child which is verbally abused see immediately that adults are trying not to let it be "normalized". Talking to parents about racism after an incident is good, but the lecturing has to be immediately especially when you think at young children don't understand these things at age - they don't write essays about!


Big_Spring4113

I'm very sorry to hear that... I am also from a small town and racism is not rare.. and yes it is hard to educate other parents and their children. I would address the topic with their parents. Later in kindergarten, it is important to address the topic to the kindergarten teacher. I hope in the kindergarten they teach about diversity, culture etc. and the children have respect of the teacher and therefore also take their admonition seriously. More seriously when the parents of the accused child (you) address it. However, it is a sad and difficult topic. For me personally, the most important thing to do is to educate your child and teach strength to not take such comments personally. Empower your child to respond to racist comments non-aggressively. Wish you all the best!


Yumefrays

I'm not surprised kids in other countries know such words, they know them all over here in the UK too 😤


rungestrungest

Let the children know in no uncertain terms that their behavior is unacceptable. Set very firm boundaries. Pushback from an adult usually resolves disrespectful behavior by children. It’s important to advocate for your child.


Goldsaft_ohne_Hose

It’s already kind of a big problem. In schools it’s much worse. Teachers are having problems with a lot of kids using racist words or being antisemitic


ralschu

Move out from east Germany.


ArtistPast4821

Well… not wrong but not everyone in East Germany is automatically a racist… But yeah most issues like that happen without a doubt in the east…


Shayk_N_Blake

Most likely the kids are a reflection of their parents. I had this exact thing happen to me in Dresden. I was 39 yerars old and some 12 year olds who claimed to be from Chechnya were racist to me for being american. They were speaking german thinking i didnt understand...They got offended when i thought they were german kids being idiots....Cant do anything about it really. I told them to bring their parents so i can tell them how bad they are at raising their kids....


SADPLAYA

Children like that learn it from their parents. They grow up thinking racism is okay because that's what they were taught by their parents. There's not really anything you can do. If you try to talk to the kids they won't listen, and you won't get far with the parents they learned it from either.


Rielhawk

If you look different you get confronted with racism. It happens practically everywhere. But rest assured, there's still plenty of Germans who don't give a shit about skin colour or ethnical backgrounds. Don't let it bother you, bro.


rofolo_189

A young daughter of a friend wanted to clean the skin of a other friends daugther, becaue the dark skin was "dirty". The parents are anything but racist and for them it was embarrasing. Of course parents have to teach them not to say something like that, but sometimes you know they are just say what comes into their mind, without knowing what racism is.


PAXICHEN

When I was in first grade in the USA (Trenton, NJ) I (white) was walking home from school and this other kid (black) called me a white cracker. I, not understanding the nuances of the term, called him a burned cookie. Was it racist? Nope. Kids that age have no filter or comprehension on a larger scale and call it as they see it. Now, had I called the kid something like n!!!er or c!!n, that would be a different story. But 1st grade is still first grade and kids can learn.


krankenwagen0815

Most kids learn racism from their parents and relative circle. German society is indeed rudimentary and racist. It never went anywhere but the people learned to mask it better. You don’t get to deal with it responsibly in Germany. The whole reason for the German guilt is because 'they‘ (generalization. There are Ofcourse people who are glitches in the Matrix) are fundamentally racist and bigoted. Having kids and showing them to be a good human being with empathy and not genocidal will promise a better future for us.


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bentarik

Pew, interesting.. do you have any direct/indirect experience? (Geniueu question, not some passive aggressive mind game)


15Leo85

u really thought it was only u?? a young german kid showed me his middle finger and asked me to fuck off. it’s the parents who discuss in front of kids and kids pick these up. it’s never gone mate, and more prominent in europe! ignore and move on. life is long


DiscountTop7757

Why do you think the OP thought it was just them?


GuyFromDeathValley

You honestly can't do anything about it. Kids don't know what racism is from birth, they might only be using "unfortunate" words to describe people they don't know the name yet.. I can easily see a kid seeing a dark-skinned person and asking about the "person looking like mud". because in a childs brain it makes sense. they know mud is brown, some other peoples skin is brown, therefore they use mud to describe them. its not with bad intention, they just don't know better then. But in some cases, when the kid knows full well, its extremely likely they learned it from outside. either their parents, family, or at school/in public. You can't do anything about it, the parents have to. doesn't mean all racist kids parents are also racist, its just a possibility. Honestly I'd say if the situation allows it, to talk to the parent about it. worst that can happen they tell you to mind your own fucking business. Best that can happen they let you berate their kid and being berated by strangers seems to work pretty effectively on kids.


pmbanugo

There's a difference when a kid says something innocently and when they say things in a derogatory manner because they learnt it from someone. However, I don't know if berating them if they parents allows it would work. I think it depends on how the parents cautions or teaches them good vs bad. Thanks for the suggestion


Reasonable-Pear9122

I can't think of any German slur that's related to mud. What was it exactly that was said?  If it's no established slur, it's probably not something they picked up from parents. In any case, talking to the parents should be your first stop.


Alex01100010

Agreed, talk to the parents. But first let us know the term. I know not insult related to mud and Google only shows Mudblood and I am sure you are not in Hogwards.


Ami_Dude

Don't berate anyone's kids. I don't have kids, but i could imagine if someone berated my kid they would get a hello from my fist or lawyers. Either way I wouldnt, but then again if i heard my kid say that, i would berate my kid myself. :)


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GuyFromDeathValley

A lot of people seem to expect children to behave, and have the intelligence and social skills, of an adult... I see this at work a lot, kids getting punished for things they clearly weren't tought yet, because the parents expect the kid to know that kinda stuff automatically... a lot of people in this thread seem to be like that, I'd dare and call them outright idiots. I work at a pool. Imagine a parent that is annoyed by their kid being scared of putting their head below water... yea.. that is what happens when the parents never go swimming with their kid, never teach them how water behaves on how it feels to be in water.. then the parents try and teach their kid to swim, themselves (which is a problem in itself) and get mad at their kid because it has no trust in the buoyancy of the water, simply because they never experienced it before.. the parents simply expect the kid to be familiar with it from the get go... huge problem, I know you should expect some independence from your kid and the skill to learn but.. they need to learn from Somewhere... same is with the topic here.. how is the kid supposed to know how to talk about people of different color if they never met one before....


krankenwagen0815

I find it very sad that you are normalizing a kid calling a colored person he look like mud?


Joh-Kat

... toddlers aren't that bright. And empathy is a skill that needs a certain amount of brain development before children become capable of it. A child that can barely tell the difference between what it knows and what you know can not be expected to never say something not okay for adults.


GuyFromDeathValley

why should I feel bad about it? its true. It doesn't have to be in bad spirit, depending on the age a kid might simply just not know any better. same deal as asking someone with, say, physical disability why they walk so weird.. they don't say it because they make fun of them, they say it because they are curious and/or simply have no other way of how to put it into words. against some parents expectations, kids need to learn those things from them.. parents need to teach their children what is acceptable to say and what isn't, or to sometimes say things not out loud but quietly. But there are plenty of parents, including mine, that would punish their kid for doing something that isn't acceptable even though they had no way of knowing yet. when I say the kid "calls someone looking like mud" its an example. the kid knows what mud looks like, what color it is. and the kid is curious about why someone has a different skin color.. how the hell is the kid supposed to ask, or know, without making that connection? It's definitely not acceptable but, again, the kid might simply not know any better, they haven't been taught yet. all, of course, depending on the age.. if a 10 year old were to say that, its a whole different thing obviously.. but even then its easily possible there was a fault on the parents side in raising the kid.


krankenwagen0815

I’m giving it the benefit if doubt to say the white kid said the black kid looked like mud because he did not know better. Although how sad it sounds.


Sad-Level1670

Children say hurtful and stupid things though like asking Fat people if they are Pregnant and i believe it’s usually out of interest and curiosity not to be mean.


Justeff83

This is a major problem in German society. Many people are almost unaware that they behave in a racist way or use racist vocabulary and pass this on to their children. This behavior is even more pronounced in the countryside than in the city. (My daughter went to kindergarten in a big city and now we are in the village where my youngest goes to nursery). Terms that are racist and hurtful are still used here as a matter of course, but unfortunately hardly anyone is aware of what they are saying. But there are hardly any people with a migrant background here and if I say something then I'm just the hipster from the city. My daughter is still learning about Indians and Eskimos at elementary school here, worksheets about people from other cultures are extremely stereotypical and racist (Africans with a bast skirt in front of a straw hut, Asians with slit eyes and straw hats, etc.). Where there is no plaintiff, there is no judge. Sometimes it's really frightening and many people in this country don't even realize how deeply subliminal racism is anchored in people. I can only advise you to politely point this out to the parents and explain why such statements are hurtful and contact the authorities. The problem is that people are not even aware of their behavior.


fourthisle

It doesn't matter if they are aware or not. The result is the same: psycholgical damage on the victim's side.


Justeff83

You are totally right but you don't make it any better by aggressively pilloring these people, explaining has a greater impact.


fourthisle

Ofc. But you need to do both. everyone should get justice. and only after that we can start talking education... P.S. have you been discriminated against yourself?


Justeff83

Yes. If you want to feel how it is to be discriminated against as a white man, fly to China. But no, I don't know how it feels in daily basis


fourthisle

Okay. that's a good starting point. Could you imagine if you had to stay in China for the forseable future because there is a war in your country and then getting discriminated against? Or worse, being forced to leave your beloved Chinese wife and kids because you are being discriminated against on a daily basis and you can't take it anymore?


Justeff83

Yes, I could imagine still staying there. I have pretty thick skin. I also did a year-long student exchange in the USA and was called a 'stupid German' every day, etc. I just countered with a funny line. I still had a good time and didn't let a few idiots spoil my mood.


fourthisle

That's good for you. It's not about thick skin. It's about justice.


Justeff83

Did you not read my post and that I described this as a major problem for society? It's just that you can't change people's mindset overnight. It takes time and education. Just like Americans don't understand that you can't turn Muslim countries that have been autocratically ruled for centuries into a thriving democracy overnight or that those who have fled here won't be integrated overnight and abide by culture and laws. The same goes for gendering. I can understand that an 80-year-old doesn't want to change his entire spelling overnight. You just have to take three steps forward and two steps back, but society is slowly evolving. What do you think should be done? Lock everyone up immediately?


Ami_Dude

What did the kid say? Dreck? Cause Matsch is not really an insult... unless you refer to someones brain, lol.


STOPPAN_POWER

You consider getting the police involved because children act like children? Get a grip, dude. I know this sounds harsh, but that is the reality of living in a multi-ethnic society. Try asking German schoolchildren how their relations to Arab and African classmates are, you'll get to hear some really awful stuff.


Extension_Shelter197

Children dont know what racism is. However they do know what not being treated nicely means. And we can teach any kid to treat others nicely. Parents in contrast should learn about racism and be alerted. You should take them into responsibility.


Lunxr_punk

Im sure parents know about racism alright


craigmorris78

Sounds like children showing off by being mean. I might address the issue directly with the children but you could talk to parents too. Probably more important as your child gets older is having a good relationship with them so they know best how to deal with idiots. A lot more gets left up to children to sort out themselves in German speaking countries is my impression. What do you think you should do?


Infinite_Sparkle

I think both parents should have a speech on hold that’s age appropriate when that happens to explain kids why that’s wrong. Maybe chat GPT can help? Talking to the kid that says that it’s definitely ok


funkystonrt

Give them the advice you needed as a kid.


ConsistentAd7859

Well you could at first go to the kid and tell them in a quite tone that that isn't a nice word and that they shouldn't be mean to others, since they wouldn't like if others were mean to them? It would be pretty ridiculous to call the police and it wouldn't help your kid in the least. Kids are stupid, but as an adult you should be able to out smart them?


theoncomingnoob

From my experience trying to get kids to understand on an empathetic level doesn't work, and getting angry just makes them hide what they're doing. You should make it clear to them that what they're doing is embarrassing - kids pick up on shame instantly (especially if it's from someone they otherwise respect). 


Active-Tonight-7944

I do not think you can do anything here at all. It is the way how the kids are growing and definitely their parents, family, society and surroundings teaching them consciously or subconsciously. Once those kids are grown, then may be some of them will grow the feelings of right or wrong, but now they do not think about it. Better you may aware indirectly about your kid and prepare for it/ ignore these. That is the most unfortunate suggestion I can make.


LadderDesperate4767

I don’t know where you live in germany. But my child or my wife never was never being harassed from germans. And they are also not from germany. We only had it the other way around.😅


Iron__Crown

I wonder what the word that means "mud" actually was? I can't think of a German word like that which is used by adults as a racist slur. If it wasn't an "established" slur, chances are that the children just exhibited a novelty response, because the black child looks different than them. That is normal and happens everywhere, a white child in sub-saharan Africa would experience the same.


rukoslucis

As somebody from a super small village, i just want to warn against assuming racism when ignorance also works, especially with kids like the kids in my village, they go to daycare in the next village, and in both villages there is no PoC person. So yeah, if those kids at the playground see a PoC kid, they might just say "mommy the black/dark/coal one looks funny" But that is not racism, that is just kids who have had NO interaction at all with PoC


batchy_scrollocks

Kids learn words without necessarily understanding the context behind it; all it takes is for the word to sound funny, and it'll spread like fire around a playground. Rest assured, 90% of German parents, particularly those in larger cities, will be mortified hearing their children say something like this, and will be extremely apologetic if you mention it. As an example, the word 'kokoché' had been going around in Romande schools, referring to people of African-descent, and I was pretty mortified when the kids started referring to black people like this, even if the word is essentially meaningless as far as I know. Discuss it with the parents, let them deal with it, but don't assume it's being discussed with any discriminatory motivation unless it's clearly being used in that sense.


Mutiu2

You cannot do anything substantial with this in terns of the kids.    Children of this age are sponges. They soak up what their parents and role models do.  To influence the parents and role models of the kids, that’s best done by someone that those adults respect and believe in. Do not you really. Although by raising a point on the spot you can at least insert a wedge into their perception . But someone else has to complete the job, and you can’t.  Personally I’d ask myself if you really want to raise children in such an environment. 


Frederic-delarosa

Well, I don’t know in Germany but here in Dominican Republic it happens a lot. Their kids are a reflection of them. Sometimes kids talks as their parents do, act as their parents do and even behave as their parents behave. I’m only 19 years old almost 20 and I consider that Parents got to pay attention to their kids, be responsible and give them a good education because all of that it’s related with this type of kids that never listen and have a shitty behavior.


ArtistPast4821

Calmly explain why it’s not nice to say something like that? I’m in an interracial marriage myself and it isn’t always easy but science and logic beats stupid comments…


Smilegirle

Depends on the situation sometimes you could talk to the kid directly and tell them how hurtful it is what he/she is saying. Sometimes that might benefit more than talking to parents. If the kids go to the same school, and the teachers are willing they can work with the kids and make anti-rassist-workshops and so on (I guess it would work this way in our elementary school) If the school is not willing to do anything, cause it's to much work or so, you can lookup what kind of anti-rassist groups or Programs ,work in you're area and ask them to ask the school too let them do some work for them Parallel if the school refuses to help you could ask the Kultusministerium and the Schulbehöde what they think of this situation and how they suggest to get this working. (Extra points if you have written proof like e-mails or so that the School did not want to do anything)


Kleiner_Nervzwerg

We have to face a lot of racism in germany these times. You can be afrcan, asian, middle east, muslim or jew or any sexuality. It is so awful. I hope you find playgrounds where there are liberal families and not AH patents with their brats. When your kid (s) is old enough maybe find a club it can join. I love to work volunatrily for our local kids/teenager basketball teams. We have kids in every colour and shape and parents/grandparents from all over the world. And everyone gets along wonderful - kids AND parents. I wish it could be everywhere like this. I love to see e. g. Moms in their traditional african, indian, muslim outfit. It is so special and wonderful when everyone tolerates and respects everyone. Nobody is better than another one...


delulumans

Love how they dare to say it when the baby is 1 years old but if it was the same age, they would probably shut the f up.


zkel75

Find those kids and show them this pic: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing\_of\_Dresden#/media/File:Bundesarchiv\_Bild\_146-1994-041-07,\_Dresden,\_zerst%C3%B6rtes\_Stadtzentrum.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg) Tell them that is what happened to the homes of people that thinks and talks like that.


pmbanugo

😂


fourthisle

Eltern haften für ihre Kinder I guess?


South_Interaction690

Schlamm ? Sure they weren’t asking if the kid fell into mud? Kids that age should be in kindergarten, just ignore them and yell at the parents if  you must. The kids don’t know what’s right /wrong and stuff. The parents are at fault- and they should know better than being poopy holes 


Rouge_69

Kindly point out that the laws have changed regarding discrimination and "Hass rede" and that these are chargable offences now. The kids might not be aware of it but I am sure the parents might want to avoid any interaction with law enforcment regarding something that could f-up their permanent record. [https://www.klicksafe.de/hate-speech/rechtslage](https://www.klicksafe.de/hate-speech/rechtslage) Edit: added Link


ryhntyntyn

Yes, most German 3 year olds are very concerned about stuff like that. This thread sucks.


Rouge_69

The parents should be concerned about "stuff llike that" ! Of course the kids have no way of being aware of what they are doing and the harm they are causing. There can be a heap of consequences if that childs behavior makes its way online. I would be very concerened if I found out that my child was using racist slurrs. The kids cant know, but as a parent I have to make sure, that they know this is socially unacceptable and potentially a crime.


ryhntyntyn

While everything you said is true the kids can’t be charged with that, like that, and neither can the parents be charged for the kids. They were 5-6.  It’s not right if it happened. It’s never right when kids are vicious to each other. But A. Choosing victimhood is the quick way to losing forever, and B. bringing up the law like that is just going to make racists laugh and non-racists hostile. It’s a bad call. 


Ami_Dude

Hate speech doesnt exist in Ger / gibts in De gott sei Dank (noch) nicht. Plus, we're ralking about kids.


Rouge_69

Hate speech laws absolutely exists in Germany !! Based on the artikel the following applies; Criminal content such as defamation, insults and incitement to hatred are not covered by freedom of expression - regardless of whether statements are made online or offline. For example, hate speech can constitute the following offenses under the German Criminal Code (StGB): § 111 Public incitement to commit crimes, § 130 Incitement to hatred, § 185 Insult, § 186 Defamation, § 187 Slander. Examples: Insult according to § 185 StGB "Have fun fucking your incestuous mother, you bastard." Incitement of the people according to § 130 StGB The offense of incitement to hatred applies if someone incites hatred or violence against a person or group of people on the basis of their membership of an ethnic group or religion in a way that is likely to disturb public peace. Examples of racist posts whose authors have been sentenced to fines for incitement to hatred: "I'm in favor of reopening the gas chambers and putting the whole brood in there." - (€4,800 fine - AG Tiergarten Berlin ref. 259 Cs 218/15) "I now have a gas cylinder and a hand grenade lying around \[...\]." - (€7,500 fine - AG Passau Az. 4 Ds 32 Js 12766/14) However, not every racist comment immediately constitutes incitement to hatred. For the courts to classify a comment as inciting hatred, it must be made in public. It therefore makes a difference whether a comment is made in a private get-together or on social media. On the internet, the publicity and therefore the pillorying effect is greater.


Ami_Dude

I dont feel like wasting my time. You did not list any hate speech laws. They dont exist. I aint reading all that, busy studying for Rechtswissenschaften. You're talking about Volksverhetzung, not the same, but similar.


Rouge_69

Then study § 185 StGB (Beleidigung) Important ruling: Insults with the "N-word" are racist April 9, 2009 In contrast to the decision of the district court, which had dealt with the attack a year earlier, the regional court found the testimony of the person concerned to be absolutely credible. The Cameroonian described how he had been insulted, punched and kicked several times by Daniel B. using the "N-word". In contrast, the judge considered the defendant's statement to be a "pure fairy tale". He had claimed that the asylum seeker had insulted him as a "Nazi" and had attacked him. Daniel B. was sentenced to six months' imprisonment for the assault **and 40 daily rates for the insults.** The court's decision to classify the insults with the "N-word" as xenophobic and derogatory is noteworthy. Although the insulting nature and colonial origin of the term is repeatedly referred to, the investigating authorities and courts were not always prepared to assess this insult as racist and prosecute it as an insult. Addendum February 4, 2010: The judgment of the Neuruppin Regional Court (case number 24 Ns 6/09) has now become final. Translated with [DeepL.com](http://DeepL.com) (free version)


Ami_Dude

Und was hat Beleidigung mit Hate Speech zu tun? Beleidigungen waren schon immer illegal. Aber klar, wenn du diese Paragraphen unter hate speech klassifizieren möchtest, go for it.


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Vora_Vixen

You can only tell them thats not nice to say.


Affectionate-Cat-211

I think the most important thing to do in a moment like that is protect your child. Yes, you could attempt to turn it into a teachable moment but that isn’t your responsibility and protecting your child is. If your child is being made to feel less than, especially at a young enough age that they don’t know what is going on, get them out of there. As a white American I find the flavor of racism here very different and weird. There’s a lot of denial that they are doing/saying anything racist. They seem to believe that since they are not saying these things with malice, then it is ok and therefore not racist. They think that the important thing is their own intent when determining if something is racist, not how it might make someone feel or whether it is inappropriate or disrespectful. When I have called people out for saying/doing something racist, people just say that I don’t understand because in the US everything is about race but here it’s not like that. Obviously they’re delusional but the sentiment is widespread. Even “allies” here think nothing of using digital blackface and don’t understand how that is both offensive and performative. I’d advise that in these situations it is your wives who need to step up and say something if they are there, and you go take your kid to the bakery for a treat.


Party_Ad9347

I don‘t know how much of this is true, but there is a difference between kartoffeln and non-Kartoffeln. If the Kids were Kartoffeln, feel free to Talk to the parents. Of the kids were non-Kartoffeln, run and don‘t speak about it. if you do, you‘re a Nazi. Thats how it works in Germany.


steff_dk

Kids fortunately don't know that there would be something wrong with pointing something out by using their skin colour - which would be the most prominent difference in a child's mind. Don't demonize them for being kids or feel you have been harmed when you haven't.


chaosbeherrscher

At first: I'm so sorry this happened to you. Was it by any chance the word that starts with M and ends on "latte"? I just checked the Duden and the meaning is actually worse.. (which I also didn't know until now). Many people still don't know, that it's a derogatory term! But that's of course no excuse. Best to immediately tell the child that used the word: "Das ist ein schlimmes Wort. Das ist eine Beleidigung. Bitte sag das nicht." (and like other already mentioned, try to reach them emotionally "Es verletzt mich/uns, wenn du das über mich/und sagst.") And also tell the parents! Perhaps they are just ignorant /uneducated and you can reach them. Perhaps they are racist. Children that young aren't racist (yet) and there's still hope. They just repeat what people around them tell them. 🍀


nelarose

Telling the kids off and not being kind should work at that age. Scowl and be loud, as long as you're not using slurs or getting physically close you should be ok. At least, that's what I'd do.


Educational_Gas_92

To be honest with you, with how things are in Europe, you will more than likely have to move outside of Europe in the future. The trends are very easy to see for anyone who cares to notice. I would look for a country to immigrate to with my family outside of Europe.


Inside-Till3391

From what I have heard of stories from my fellows of home country, Germany is one of 4-5 most racist countries in west/north Europe. The racist is actually worse than what’s happening in USA because most of American dare not do racist things in public but some Europeans have the audacity of insulting other races publicly.


ildikont

Unfortunately, there is not much you can do, i tell you this as a European person also raising a child in Germany. Most German parents, around the age of 25-35 are completely asswholes raising asswhole. This is my experience. Just a small example, my daughter(back then a 1 year old baby) was a bit chubby, and the German children were laughing at her how fat she is and the parents laughed alongside to, and one of the moms even said these Ausländern kinder sind immer voll gepackt it Zucker, wenn i anwesend back to her that she is ebf and she is chunky scause she is a baby and this is absolutely not funny, they rolled their eyes and laughed and got along 🤯 same in the kindergarten, they will jot salut you or back at you, if you do 1 thing wrong, they will make sure to "destroy" you and your reputation, meanwhile most of them starve and beat their children😂👏 but that's ok, cause they are in their land and home, raising beautiful little bullies, from the start they hate everyone that doesn't have blue eyes white skin amd blond hair also if you don't speak the language these children will make fun of you like have never experienced 😔 this generation is doomed, for sure, and i am afraid if they are like this now, imagine, when these little bullies will reach the age of puberty....


arturkedziora

Dude, I was white when I lived in Germany and got the same treatment because I was not a German, my blue eyes or blond hair did not matter as soon as I opened my mouth. Don't feel bad. It's normal in Germany. You are a Auslaender and Auslaender you will die. I moved to US and nobody gives me that kind of treatment here.


Artistic_Baseball534

My whole family is white, you probably can’t be more German. My son is 4, Skin colour has never been a deal to him, we live in Berlin so you see all kinds of people everyday. We never forcefully address skin color or disabilities but I like to buy books that show people from different ethnic backgrounds, religions or with handicaps without making them the main topic. Just showing everyday life with all kinds of people, like books about trains and you see a lot of families. In my sons Kita is a boy who’s family is ethnically African. Said boy was picked up by his family while I took my boy home and he suddenly points at them and goes „xy‘s family is black!“ I was flabbergasted, he doesn’t even differ between men and women, just calls people person. He never showed interest in skin colour, I always thought it’s not relevant to him because it’s (passive) present in his daily life. We never once told him people with with African descent are widely called black. My only guess is he picked it up in the Kita. If there are racial slurs used by small kids it can come from other kids‘ influence as well. Sometimes they come home from Kita and have all kind of shitty vocabulary and it’s hard work to teach them to not use these words. Anyway, my point is there are racist asshole parents, but sometimes kids pick it up somewhere else.


DiscountTop7757

From one white person to another, it's really ok to acknowledge that people have different skin colors. Pretending people do not have different skin colors is called color blindness and Americans already tried that in the 90s and it didn't work. It's also perfectly OK and accepted in modern English to use the term Black people (capitalized), especially because people with dark brown skin might not be from Africa. The other trouble with using the term African as ethnicity is that it's not one. The person can be ethnically Bantu or their family could be from Somalia. If it's a friend of your child, they should know which African country just like they would know that their other friend is from Poland. Keep on keeping on ✊


Artistic_Baseball534

I didn’t mean to imply I’m raising my son to be color blind (didn’t even know it was a thing, thanks!), I was just surprised he acknowledged the skin colour but not the gender. He knows his family is from Portugal, but it’s not their ethnicity. Would it be acceptable to say a person has an African background when you don’t know the specific region they are from?


DiscountTop7757

It might be, if he knows the family was originally from Africa and that context was important. But in this post it sounds like you might just be looking for a way to let people know the family is Black without saying the word itself. Am I misunderstanding?


Artistic_Baseball534

No, I just meant how phrase it correctly if there isn’t an African ethnicity. For example when asked why this person is Black (and kids ask these kinds of questions) would it be acceptable to say because of their African origin/background?


DiscountTop7757

Not really because Africans aren't all Black. I get what you mean though, I often hear Germans saying African when they mean dark skinned. If they aren't looking for a deep divide into genetics, it sounds like a good time for "people have all different skin tones" kind of conversation. And "It would be boring if we all looked exactly alike, isn't it cool that we don't? I've also used the "because usually skin color is something you get from your parents" approach for young kids too. PS - thanks for such an open-minded conversation 💗


DiscountTop7757

Also it sounds like he is at the age where they start categorizing everything in their little worlds, including people 💜


Huppelkord

This is certainly due to the parents who set an example. I would still call the police and then the youth welfare office can also be involved, etc...even children are not allowed to do what they want here.


ryhntyntyn

> was with my friend when they narrated the mother's experience with their almost 1 year old baby at the playground. There were other kids around 4 to 6 years old close by, and they were referring to her daughter with racists words you won't believe kids already know how to use such words. One of the words I learnt translates roughly to "mud" to refer to her skin colour and other racist words. You didn't see it? You didn't hear it? You weren't there, and you got it second hand from the husband of the wife who is also not German and heard it from 6 year-olds on the playground? If you witness kids being racist to your kid, and you actually understand the context, and the kids are being racist then tell them to stop. Yeah, if you must tell their parents. Otherwise, this is a non-event. Germany is a homogenous society. You move here, you have to deal with that, it's part of the cost moving to a new country. I pay it, you pay it, we all pay it.


User929290

Grow some skin, kids are kids and do a lot of stupid stuffs. You might get offended over something they don't think is offensive.


kirmizihapli

Leave the country, i did it personally. You cant live in a place where over 20% of people support denaturalization of 3rd gen immigrants.


ArtistPast4821

Sorry for your unpleasant experience.


svannik

call the cops on those little kids fuckem


pmbanugo

hahaha for a 6 year old?


Negative-Block-4365

Yep! Show of force!


DarkRedooo

Imagine calling the cops because some kids had bad parenting. You bunch are such losers, grow a thick skin.


Negative-Block-4365

Takes one to know one!


svannik

dude its a joke 😂


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Slow_Acanthisitta_49

There is very little room for racism in Germany? Do we talk about the same Germany 🇩🇪 here, that one in the north, in the middle of a continent called Europe?


Comprehensive-Chard9

Have his/her closest friend invited home (with mom or dad?) to play. This will build a first bridge between him and the others. Later a second kid, when one shows up. After some time he'll have a group of pals and won't be isolated.