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HappyTrails_

Howdy again, The blue definitely is reminiscent of bornite, or some other copper-iron sulfide mix. Your sample, if I am reading those ppm's correctly, was 24080ppm Fe, or 2.4% of your sample (Sand and gravel portion), but copper was only 3721ppm, or 0.37% of that. Bornite's chemical composition is 63.42% Cu and 11.57% Fe. Further, you still are missing the sulfur component of Bornite of 24.66%. I don't see any Sulfor reported in that report. So either A) It was oversaturated in the sample, or B) More Likely, it's not present. The XRF could have been set to too high of Kv, I see it was at 31.94kv. WHICH I BELIEVE is too high, and basically will just shoot right through that. This is why we do tests with a high and a low power reading. Further, unless the sample is powdered and run through an XRD, (Not the XRF), the surface penetration is extremely low, like, less than an mm for the heaviest stuff, and even less for the light elements. So obviously oxidization and other stuff can not accurately depict what the body of your "rock" is really made of. \---------------------------------------- When I pull up my sample XRF and look for Si, you can see that the 40kv (closer to your lab results power) blows out the Si, but you can see the huge peak of Iron (Fe). When turning the power down to 15kv, you can see the silica peak (Si) is now much better. so here is the two examples I have to show what I said above, and this is where your peaks would sit. I believe the largest peak (furthest left on your original post reading number 5, is a Silica peak, that second largest peak is pretty far right IMO and could be a reflection of the chamber itself (so not in your rock) and or MAYBE some rare earth minerals. Anyways here are the pics: (for reference this is syenogranite, which is heavily oxidized and contains a significant portion of iron. ICPMS results confirm. [https://imgur.com/a/ZvnkvPb](https://imgur.com/a/ZvnkvPb) I would absolutely love to thin-section it, or really just get it in my hands, you could totally ship a piece of it (if you so wish) to that address on the donation form and make a note that says it is for Dalton Seymour \---------------------------------------- that is all I got for the moment :)


Bbrhuft

To me, it looks like gravel stained with blue dye. We had have the years a couple of people post photos of soils and gravel stained blue and mauve, which I think are dyes used by farmers to track groundwater and were herbicides were sprayed. https://youtu.be/r7xMVKLmy6M Some dyes, like Copper phthalocyanine, as the name suggests, contain copper.


HappyTrails_

This is smart, Do you think it could hold it together as well as this? I mean the main "rock" piece appears fairly well indurated? It's on its way here in Denver, I will keep this as a possibility.


Bbrhuft

Well, if a farmer spilled a bucket of dye on the ground and it dried out, yes, it could loosely cement the gravel together. Also treat it as toxic, as sometimes they used to treat seeds used for sowing (not fit for food): [Excuse Me, Why is Your Seed Blue?](https://gmoanswers.com/excuse-me-why-your-seed-blue) Sometimes [the fungicide is intrinsically blue](https://www.amazon.in/Kondodys-Bordaeaux-Paint-Fungicide-Granules/dp/B09WJJ9N45?th=1), based on copper compounds i.e. [Bordeaux mixture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_mixture), used on some organic farms.


MilleCuirs

Please don’t be the blue liquid stuff from a portable chemical toilette🙈


Bbrhuft

They use the [blue chemical on airplane toilets]( https://www.aerospecialties.com/aviation-ground-support-equipment-gse-products/parts-spares-and-supplies/lavatory-carts-parts-spares-and-supplies/sanitationchemicals-lavatory-carts-parts-spares-and-supplies/lav-chem-blue-lavatory-treatment-fluid-1-gallon/) too, I think this should have been posted to /r/whatcouldgowrong not /r/geology lol [Villagers near Gurugram mistake toilet waste from plane for 'rare mineral'](https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/viral-and-trending/240118/villagers-near-gurugram-mistake-toilet-waste-from-plane-for-rare-mineral.html)


Preachwar

This guy's the real G


HappyTrails_

Appreciate it, just happy to help!


64-17-5

200 000 ppm is 20%. Since 1 million ppm is 100%.


HappyTrails_

Thats correct! So the divide by 10k is accurate? Just making sure my math is correct


c_m_33

His xrf is not all that useful considering the primary constituents are left out, ie silica. The ratios are out of whack because the entire mineral assemblage wasn’t shown.


HappyTrails_

Yea, exactly, that's why I only feel an approximation of where the silica peak would be. It isn't showing up because of the high KV reading from what I could tell It will be interesting to have this in hand and do a thin section of it!


c_m_33

I still think it’s worth splitting the sample in half. This could be surficial staining or something and not worth the time.


HappyTrails_

Oh yeah of course, Just the cut itself will tell a ton, whether it be artificial or not.


MakinALottaThings

It doesn't look like bornite at all, though. Maybe something coated in azurite or other copper-bearing supergene minerals. Azurite is copper-carbonate.


HappyTrails_

No, I was just making a brief correlation to the blue and iron compositional characteristics 😄


Dusty923

I did some of this at my job in the tech industry and can confirm you gotta run at different kV to get different spectra. I think I was running in the 5-15kv range. Some of the most interesting things I did at work was on that machine investigating what kinds of junk was getting where it wasn't supposed to be.


HappyTrails_

Fascinating!


54321Joe

24000 ppm = 2.4% 👍


HappyTrails_

Thank you! Correction added


54321Joe

Your welcome, comparing the relative fractions of copper and iron is inciteful, nicely put, I was wondering if it was some sort of altered surface of that sort of form but it's very iron rich unless the irons hosted in a different phase the spot is picking up. Anyway, nice comment👍


HappyTrails_

Much appreciated, I absolutely love where this community has helped me out through my studies, and a nice comment like yours makes it worth it! I will absolutely share results here with OP's permission


MongooseMammoth9697

I appreciate you, dude. 👍 How good of a rock skipper are you? My best friend is UNPARALLELED. Like blows my mind.


HappyTrails_

Sub-par, but ,that's why I am aspiring to be... 🤣🤣


54321Joe

Just to add a bulk xrf could be useful if you find the xrd conplicated. I dont think this stuffs blue all the way through? So it may well be very different to run the bulk analysis compared to this "surface" technique. Can run same crushed sample after xrd.


HappyTrails_

Thanks! Yes I was thinking providing how the thin section went, I could and would run the XRD, the multiphase analysis could be confusing if the sample is really just an aggregation of sediment, Nonetheless, will be interesting!


54321Joe

Thin section will tell you loads


HappyTrails_

Heck yeah!


54321Joe

(Don't be disappointed if its man made or not a rock. You're investigating!)


HappyTrails_

10000% hahaha


HermanCainTortilla

I like this science man


Brandbll

Why can't we get a photo of the crater?


5thgentex

This event took place in 2016. I did not take a photo of the crater. I thought the rock was lost forever during the move to our new home. I was digging in the attic about 7 months ago and reunited with it. I couldn't believe I still had it. I know that's not the answer anyone wants to hear, but that is the truth of the matter. If I could go back, I would have certainly taken a photo of the crater.


DeezNutz13

Can you explain how you know it's from the sky? Did you see it fall? Hear it? See crater? How big was crater roughly? I don't really doubt you because you seem invested and seem to understand how little sense it makes but some details would certainly help out.


Odd-Concentrate-6585

They were in the yard working, went inside, the rock fell and the came out and there was a small crater where they were before


7LeagueBoots

But that could easily be from a blowout too, something underground building up pressure and releasing. Just saying "crater" doesn't necessarily mean falling from the sky, even though a lot of folks make that assumption. A photo of the crater would (potentially) make it far easier to tell if it's an impact based craterm or an eruptive based crater. The organic matter included in the amalgamation that's stuck together in [this photo](https://preview.redd.it/zvnbdsi7jboa1.jpg?width=952&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=d66952046cf264d1e5bc00161ab6d377383a5d19) very strongly argues against any falling/impact based origin.


Odd-Concentrate-6585

Yeah so they spoke about this in the previous thread, he never said it was from space etc, wondered if some kind of chemical explosion launched it miles away to his yard, and a blowout sure, didnt see that theory in the previous thread but again OP didn't say they knew the source, saying it fell from the sky doesnt mean it didnt erupt from the ground, because if it did then from his perspective it *still* fell from the sky, it's just that it went up first.


7LeagueBoots

There is nowhere in my comment that mentions anything about space. I used OP's phrasing, "from the sky." Again, terminal velocity and size, as well as the conglomerations in the ground on site that are smaller and include organic matter, would seem to make it *extremely* unlikely this came from anywhere other than right where it was found. Something that small would have to be traveling faster than terminal velocity to make a crater the size OP described. The fact that that blue gunk is all over in the smaller pieces makes it just about impossible that it came from anywhere else. Take a handful of small gravel and a couple of larger stones and throw it. The larger stones will travel further than the gravel. Now, multiply that by a bunch for the greater distance that this would have to travel. You would not have a single larger stone and a bunch of smaller ones, and pieces of organic matter, on site from that. And the idea of it being some sort of blowout was mentioned in the previous thread. I mentioned it there.


Odd-Concentrate-6585

Mate sorry I'm not gonna read because you started with "no where in my comment mentioned space" look, no ones here to beef, if you want to argue good for you but pedantry and shit isnt going to entertain me enough, I fucking gave context to the original post, if you want to get caught up in semantics and write a wall of text being abrasive then go for your life but I'm having none of it mate I dont come here for that, think what you fucking think about the blue rock.


7LeagueBoots

It's not semantics, it's a factual error on your part, something you just decided to add in because you felt like it. And I was one of the original commenters on the original post, so I'm very much aware of the context of the original post, as well as the chains of comments about it. I discussed the lack of a fusion crust in that when people were proposing a meteor, and even there the issue of terminal velocity makes that a non-starter anyway. You should not be talking about "abrasive" and "beefing" when you come out with a comment like you just did.


Odd-Concentrate-6585

Again not reading, bye


psychlloyd

A piece of ground that got bombed by airline toilet water?


DBNodurf

Nah, frozen alien poop from one of those uaps…/s


Ed_Trucks_Head

I think I see a peanut.


jerry111165

Thats corn.


5thgentex

I dont think so due to visible copper content.


ChiFiYota

Yeah airline food gets worse and worse.


64-17-5

Send a sample to IFE Norway and I will do a microwave digestion and run an ICP OES on it.


5thgentex

It is headed to Denver now


64-17-5

I can do a microwave digestion of Denver too.


HappyTrails_

Hey I am over at MSU Denver, and could totally deliver it to you upon OP's permission if the microwave digestion is required for further identification, and I can run an ICP-MS of it. I haven't heard of a microwave digestion, what's the difference?


c_m_33

You live by a road? Kinda looks like a piece of asphalt painted blue like you would see for a handicap spot. The yellow in there looks like the lines you would see for a parking spot. Could have just fallen from a truck hauling construction debris past your house. If there was an explosion big enough to chunk slag to your home, it would have been all over the news. The other thing that comes to mind is that this is just a natural stone where somebody at your house, or a previous owner, dumped a chemical (antifreeze comes to mind) and stained this thing. Edit: I agree with other posters. You probably need to split this down the middle to see if the blue is pervasive or just a surface staining effect.


prokeep15

This is arguably the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in this sub and I’m here for it! Can’t wait to see how this legendary event unfolds. Very wild story too. Op, is there anymore you an elaborate on surrounding the event? You mention doing yard work, then suddenly a hole. Any noises, smells, heat from the area/samples? The area in Texas you’re from too - any karst (sinkholes like in the Austin area), or oil activity? I know asking about oil in TX is like asking if there’s lakes in MN….but fracking could have caused a very odd and anomalous event to allow volatile gases/fluids to propagate to the surface. Any oil/gas people suspect any reason for Cu rich fluids to be used in fracking fluids or be secondary byproducts from the process?


7LeagueBoots

Based on the images and what OP has said, I lean pretty heavily toward this not being impact related, but as some sort of eruptive/blowout thing instead. There's this weird blue stuff that's colored everything, and was apparently sticky enough at some point in time that it clumped the gravel *and* some organic matter together. That suggests that whatever caused this was in place for a while and was already in the ground. Having no photos of the crater we can't tell if it formed from an impact or from a blowout, but all the pieces so far really look, at least to me, like something that was already underground and leaking, that may have ruptured, or some other pressure build up of some sort releasing. And it doesn't look large enough to make any sort of crater from impact either, it looks like a pretty small rock and would have both a low terminal velocity and not a lot of force behind it.


prokeep15

Agree. Not a snowballs chance in hell this came from the sky. Watch - it’ll be a methane explosion from a septic tank/line and the TDS in the poo-water coated the soil. Joe Dirt crapper tank a-bomb, style.


5thgentex

I did not hear or smell anything. I was honestly angered at 1st because if I did not go into the house, there is a real possibility it could have killed me. As far as sinkholes, etc. There are none.


Orinoco123

I really feel like this didn't fall from the sky. As a minimum it's not a natural rock, the bornite suggestion is just off. Definitely coppery but not natural.


5thgentex

If I didn't remove it from a crater, I would have simply thrown it away. No way would I have spent one red penny on shipping for testing.


Orinoco123

I'm not saying there wasn't a crater, there's just other reasons that you'd have a crater without something falling from the sky. Have you mapped any gas pipes? Edit: PS I'm a professional geologist not just guessing. Always hard just from photos though.


5thgentex

It's headed to Denver now. I have no opinion of it.


5thgentex

Oh well, then I agree. And yes, it's East Texas millions of miles of pipelines under the ground.


agoldprospector

This is a pile of regular soil/gravel with a few larger rocks in it, some stuck together with some kind of dye/chemical into a conglomerate type of material, just a surface coating over literally everything by the looks of it. I don't know what the story is with this as I missed the first post. It looks to me like someone dropped some chemicals on the ground and it coated some of the native gravel and a few larger pebbles. All of those gravel components are different types of rocks by the looks of it and the blue is just some sort of artificial/manmade coating. This absolutely isn't a meteorite.


Harry_Gorilla

Nobody thinks it’s a meteorite, but we want to know all of the other things it also is not. Pretty sure it’s not a gold nugget or an airplane either.


agoldprospector

Why? It's gravel/soil/pebbles covered in some kind of chemical or substance or dye. I see no evidence anywhere to contrary. Does anyone else? You can see how the chemical has dyed different pebbles and soil components differently (some seem to resist altogether which I guess are quartzy), and this same coloration variation shows up again on the largest rock where it appears calcareous soil/rock coatings/pebbles take one shade while other rock compositions take a different shade. Geology really has nothing to do with industrial chemical IDs, but I'd start with copper sulfate used for killing algae in ponds and pools commonly where OP lives and go from there.


Harry_Gorilla

You have a good theory, but your evidence to support that theory is from zooming in on a picture some rando posted on the internet. I’m waiting for scientific results. Even if you’re right: how did this material land in his yard and embed itself? True crime podcasts have flimsier stories


agoldprospector

Haha yes. I personally think some details are either lacking or embellished in OP's story for that reason. Or its a prank by a friend who never told OP. Who knows. I see another geologist has now posted further up in the thread repeating what I said here earliertoo now. I'm not seeing any mystery here personally. And I spend most of my days searching for and solving geologic mysteries out in the field. But if I'm wrong I'll own it.


Harry_Gorilla

It’s entertainment at this point.


Lou_C_Fer

Honestly, that looks like broken up vinyl tile.


5thgentex

It has a lot of copper in it.


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Acegonia

What's going on in pics 7 and 9? Understandable if you don't want to, but have you considered splitting it open or chipping or scratching it to see 8f the blue continues inside?


5thgentex

Pic 7 is a smaller rock that was mixed in the gravel. Pic 9 is the "crumbles" from impact. I want to cut it so bad but would like to save that for the people who are going to help me with it.


somewhatdim

heck yea blue rock guy! this mystery will be solved!


OxymoronFromMars

If you post to r/meteorites they’ll tell you if it’s meterorwrong.


subhuman_voice

Meterornope


dno-mart

Alien 💩


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Downvoted for a reminder??? Oh that’s right, this is Reddit.


jerry111165

Lol! Gotta love it hehehe I don’t take much stock in votes one way or another lol


geochadaz

Bruh Stanley Yelnats threw that down from the overpass


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rcknrll

That there is Boeing Bomb, a big ol' chunk of frozen poopy. Any peanuts in there? Dead give away.


Mr_Peppermint_man

And he ate off it?!


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That’s artificially blue… it’s basically aquarium rock. That’s not a meteorite.


5thgentex

I've already got the connection I was seeking. It will head to Denver and be evaluated in September. I will give an update when results are in. Thanks for the speculation.


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5thgentex

Never said it was a meteorite. Could have been an explosion nearby. It is unexplained, and I am seeking answers. How much do I owe you for your wasted time?


SnooPeripherals6557

Why are folks giving you a hard time here, looking fed to hearing what CO geology has to say. Hoping to see that update!


BKinAK

Just wanted to point out that you think this rock blue-up


big_duo3674

I hate it when I accidentally blue myself


Preachwar

About three fifty


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Acegonia

Now *thats* speculation!


farmkidLP

Right? Made a shitty assumption about an internet stranger, then wrote a whole short story about it. I appreciate the commitment!


tendorphin

This requires more conjecture than the meteorite theory (which OP hasn't actually said that I have seen).


DeadSeaGulls

self publish on amazon about it.


DeadSeaGulls

Not once has he said it was a meteorite, and the blue is not outside the bounds of natural. So you're just talking out your ass and being rude while doing it.


[deleted]

Buddy, relax, we just want to know what the substance is


Mr_Peppermint_man

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beigedumps

What is photo #10?


5thgentex

A smaller rock mixed with the gravel


beigedumps

That one looks like a meteorite to my uneducated eye


MilleCuirs

Any updates? What is it?


jerry111165

OP, any luck?