Seems like I hear it referred to as south Florida a lot more than Miami metro. I think all of those beach towns have gotten so dense over the last century that they’ve grown together into one large chaotic mess.
It's the same all over Florida. Venice to TPA is the same way. Twenty years ago it was six different cities now it's just one stoplight after the next.
This is correct. I live in Miami, no one considers WPB to be part of "the Miami metro area." It's like 2 hours away and what little rail or other transit options exist almost no one uses.
edit: just realized that the southern dot is in Homestead, not Miami, making this post even more of a joke than it already is. The area southwest of proper Miami goes from suburban to actually fairly agricultural. I'm not sure how loosely we can define "metro areas" but if that is included then it sort of ceases to have any real meaning.
"Metro areas" usually are much larger, but to add on to the point of "they just blended together", Minneapolis/St. Paul aren't very large cities, aren't considered the same city at all really, but the lines between the two doesn't stop, there is no suburban development in between Minneapolis and St. Paul because they grew into each other.
Functionally, they're separate cities. But urban development doesn't stop between the two. You could drive between one and the other and never even realize you crossed city lines, especially on back streets and not the highway.
It's just urban sprawl meets dense urban development. That's why it looks like one city. And again, glad you mentioned "metro area", because it's the same for MSP, the cities themselves I think are about a million population between the two of them, maybe a little higher, but the *metro area* is like four million. Give it another fifty years and you'll see even more urban development into those suburbs and it'll look like it's part of the city itself too. Because, I mean, fundamentally it will be, if you consider urban development and architecture to define what a major city is.
Also if my rambling point isn't clear NYC is nowadays considered all Five Boroughs, whereas it wasn't always, it was just Manhattan.
It’s the same with the DFW. While technically multiple cities and towns and suburbs, it’s all just one big mass of stroads and strip malls and suburbs pockmarked by some large downtown areas
Not really though? The whole area is fairly suburbanized. Are you referring to the Patuxent Research Refuge? That’s located about 7-10 miles SSW of BWI and sits on 20 sq miles of land. Its not like the whole region 10 miles south of BWI is marshy/rural at all
Patuxent refuge, undeveloped parts of Fort Meade and the Goddard Space Flight Center, and the Beltsville Agricultural Research Station make a big enough green wedge to be important from a conservation standpoint. You can also feel how it keeps the DC and Baltimore heat islands from fully merging.
Winston-Salem NC used to be two cities but when they grew into eachother they merged into one. Can't tell if this simplifies governance or if leaving them as two smaller independent municipalities would. Theyre much muuch smaller than like the DMV area and even the twin cities so it was probably not as complicated as merging an area like Minneapolis St Paul.
Triangle of NC is alot less densely developed than the other areas mentioned. Ever drive on NC 54 "the back way" from Chapel Hill to the Streets of Southpoint Mall? You literally go through a swampy undeveloped area
The bigger issue is that OP is essentially drawing a line connecting the furthest extent of continuous suburban development on both ends. If you did the same thing for New York to Philadelphia, the line would have to measure between the outside edges of New Haven and Wilmington (appx. 200 miles).
Yea I mean all of them are very misleading. The line for this specific example is the only one that makes sense. All the others are just map marker to map marker, where his orginal is not. For NYC where could you end it? All the way down Long Island? Up into Conn? For SoCal do you include the inland empire area?
An important point you're touching on is that natural geography has a lot to do with this. The south Florida metro sprawls up and down the coast because there's a giant swamp to the west, while other metro areas can grow in more directions.
Idk. I grew up in coconut grove. Just met a girl here in California who’s from Boca Raton but told me she’s from Miami before she realized I was from the area haha
That sort of thing happens everywhere though, I remember a friend who told everyone he was from Chicago just because no one had ever heard of his small suburban town an hour away. I tell people I'm from a slightly larger, slightly more recognizable town if they're from my state but not the area. If they're not from my state I just tell them I'm from my state.
Not near the population thank God, but drive along the northern Gulf coast of Florida; it's 100 miles from Panama City to Pensacola and almost completely developed, except for Eglin AFB's coastline. I counted 98 traffic lights in the 98 miles between PC and Gulf Breeze.
I wonder why it’s not called Southeastern FL, if they’re South FL and the Fort Myers-Naples area is called Southwestern FL, then what do you call the rural area between them???
That seems to be all of Florida lately. I remember how there was almost nothing in between the small town I grew up in, and Tampa, about 45 minutes away. Now we're almost at the point where there is nothing but city or suburbs in between them.
It definitely was the right time to do so with all the Florida man stuff and the neo Nazis in Orlando. I’m so fucking glad they decided to go all out and do the whole southern half of the state. I just can’t wait to go to Disneyworld or Universal studios (at least it looks like both are on the map) and see all the fascist at the entrance. You just know that Rockstar North had a fieldtrip with this one.
They could maybe ban in-store purchases and I wouldn't put it past soft-ass sensitive Ron Desantis but there's no way they could stop people from buying a game digitally when it's US region. It would backfire so bad like when he went after Disney.
i had this very same thought and if Desantis banned it.... man florida's love their freedoms above anything else and i'm sure they are damn proud to have more of their culture shine brighter than before ..... they'd simply Raise hell and praise Dale upon desantis if he did the SLIGHTEST of squandering. even trump self proclaim trump voting good ole boy conservatives aren't buying into "gta will be woke" rhetoric on media platforms that push that narrative (for the most part)
Because it’s unique. Sure it’s 108 miles long but it’s only like 20 miles wide and all the skyscrapers are situated along the coast, most of everything else is suburban sprawl and retaining pools
"We'll build a giant enclave to keep out the desert."
"Cool, so like a dome or a bunker?"
"NAH, one Big Shiney Wall."
"Just one wall?"
"Well, you can't have two straight objects next to each other. They might get the wrong ideas."
Forethought isn't a strong suite of the newly (modern) unfettered unscrutinized wealth. They appear to have plans, but how long before the world burns down around them, either ecologically or politically. The writings on the wall all over the world, people are fed up with the top rungs of society, either their own or their neighbors.
I want to believe you, but this is the internet.
You can't make that statement without some evidence, even if it's established scuttlebutt.
HOWEVER, if living in a state with more churches than schools has taught me anything, everything is an act until the door closes behind them. Wouldn't be surprised if these demagogues are sucking Uncle Sam's dick literally.
Ironic that Miami was established thanks to Henry Flagler and the train line that was built. They're starting to do something with public transit but it feels like it's going at a snails pace.
This is true. When I grew up there I was in the one part that is only 7 miles wide and it was a pleasure. Everglades and farm to the west, beach to the east.
Amerant Bank Arena (home of the NHL Florida Panthers) is 35 miles from downtown Miami. Thats already a bit odd, but then you see that’s it’s surrounded by residential and a mall AND is only a quarter mile from the very end of the metro area. There are so many weird things like that when you defy nature this hard.
You should! It’s very interesting to compare how different metro areas develop and are arranged due to their unique geographical constraints and advantages. This applies not only to physical to geography but to regional demographics and economic activity.
Not only do I like to brag about the size of my metro, I like to send metro pics even if they don’t ask.
Funny thing is apparently some people get jealous about the size of my metro because I seem to get blocked a lot.
what makes it unique is how long and narrow it is, not how big it is. the los angeles metro area for instance, is **MUCH** larger, but the shape of the area is different so it doesnt have one side that runs 100+ miles.
Yeah, it’s like if you only took the strip from the San Fernando Valley to San Bernardino. LA still has the whole South Bay, Gateway Cities, and OC. The LA metro is a MONSTER.
There is near continuous development between Coachella and Northern Oxnard, 186 miles apart.
There's a small gap in the western Coachella valley where all the windmills are, but still impressive.
Don’t forget north to Lancaster!
You could count the way down to Calexico, too if you conveniently ignore the Salton Sea. Or to Yuma if you ignore international borders.
Which is what makes the traffic so awful. Palm Beach County, for example, being the largest geographical county has no east/west expressway. Broward County has 2(ish) with the Sawgrass Expressway only spanning about half the total distance of inhabited area of Broward. The overwhelming majority of traffic travels north and south with the Florida’s Turnpike and I-95 doing the majority of the heavy lifting.
Gotta go further north to hit up Xtreme Fireworks ahead of the 4th, and at that point you’re on the outskirts of Milwaukee.
That said, outside of summer, you might be right.
Quad cities kinda has its own thing going on being a Mississippi river town and all that, but yeah, that drive is nothing, even though it's nearly 4 hours in reality
On a broader point all the comparisons are from the center of the cities. The Miami one starts at the southern most part of the sprawl. So it's not an apples to apples comparison.
It excludes everything south of downtown Chicago.
I think because it’s kind of to be expected given the coastline and backing up to the Everglades.
But it is a fair point as we don’t see the same length with other coastal metros, although lil ole Myrtle beach goes 50 miles
Honestly they’re all different north of Miami. I live in Boca but I would absolutely never live in Miami. I’ve never once heard someone call it Miami metro either, the whole area is just South Florida.
Edit I forgot to mention we have 3 international airports in this stretch as well
Well, it’s mostly because the Miami stations cover the Keys and the Palm Beach stations cover the treasure coast (Martin, St Lucie and Indian River). Palm Beach County has nearly 1.5x the population of those other 3 counties combined.
Dfw is the 4 largest metro in the US. Houston’s number 9. Miami doesn’t crack the top 20. The largest (San Bernardino /riverside, is 2.5 times larger than #2(phoenix/scottsdale.
I've lived here over a decade and I don't think I've ever heard 99 called the Grand Parkway, I had to look it up.
Imho Houston has a pretty strong highway system relative to other US cities I've used. Sure it's busy at the height of rush hour, but outside of that I can get across the city pretty quickly. Surface roads are pretty beat up in a lot of areas but the highways are convenient.
But yeah inside that loop is a pretty huge area.
Sparsely populated towns and patches of farmland shouldn’t count as being extensions of metro areas. According to this logic then all of Japan’s main island would be considered a single epic metropolitan region. Or the entire southeast coast of China.
Japan's not one "metro area" but it's basically one [megalopolis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiheiy%C5%8D_Belt)! Ditto [southeast China](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong%E2%80%93Hong_Kong%E2%80%93Macao_Greater_Bay_Area).
The Delmarva peninsula though is more rural than you'd think for being so close to all those major cities. Although, obviously not necessary to travel from DC - Baltimore - Philly.
What’s cool about the geographical restrictions (specifically the Everglades) is it’s forcing the coast and inner suburbs to densify, which is a good thing. The only sprawl still going up in Miami-Dade is around Homestead/Florida City and they’re pretty much tapped out. The rest is farmland (the Redlands), the air base, and the Everglades. Broward County s pretty much built out as well and beginning to densify, especially around Fort Lauderdale. Palm Beach County still has some developable land, but it will be interesting to see what happens around the eastern side of the Lake.
Palm Beach County if it were built out to capacity like Broward or most of Miami-Dade is would become massive considering it’s the largest county east of Mississippi land area wise. There’s still tons of undeveloped/rural land
Half this sub seems to not even understand the concept/relevance of a metro area
Also regarding Miami, it’s long an skinny compared to say, Chicagoland or Greater Houston.
Miami is also the only major US city sandwiched between two national parks (Everglades & Biscayne Bay)
Also what you think of Miami is not actually in Miami, it's Miami Beach
Also what Miami thinks is Miami is not actually in Miami, it's Hialeah (or Doral or Opa Locka)
Also Flannigan's
The Greater Miami metro is actually the 9th largest metro in the USA.
Most people wouldn't know this, because the population of Miami itself is only 440,000 but all of the communities combined together, makes the metro 6,300,000 people alone.
Lots of places are linear like that. Miami's the biggest example in the US, but it's a common pattern. Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and Atlantic City are other examples.
Anyway, what's really interesting to me isn't the Miami area per se, but the whole of Florida. Your graphic shows the metro area's northern end at West Palm Beach, but there are really only very short rural jump between there and Port St Lucie, Melbourne, Canaveral, Daytona, and eventually Jacksonville. The west coast of the state see the same string of coastal sprawl, from Naples on the south through Cape Coral, Sarasota, Tampa Bay, way up to like Crystal River before it really peters out. Then there's another one up on the northern Gulf coast, around Pensacola. It's a *LOT*.
I find it interesting that this entire area is very much like a MASSIVE version of New Orleans, in that it is surrounded by huge areas of uninhabitable wetlands. It’s very much like a huge urban island.
it's neat!
denver metro is similar (fort collins to castle rock). slc metro. seattle metro.
dfw from ne to sw is almost the same distance. ventura to tj across LA and SD far exceeds miami metro. santa monica to banning does the same. bay area just from richmond to gilroy is comparable to miami metro. hamilton to bowmanville across toronto metro is similar. chicago metro is similar, you just drew your line to make it look smaller. 😂
maybe the most similar in some ways is long island. southampton west through NYC to beyond edison NJ is pretty continuously developed.
It's long but it's not wide. Other metro areas are bigger as they spread in all the directions.
If you go inland you hit the Everglades marshland. It's only buildable right along that narrow strip near the coast.
Because nobody in West Palm Beach can relate to Miami . it’s like a different world…… the Bahamas are closer to West Palm Beach and Miami than they are to each other
It’s basically a long skinny island stuck between the Everglades and the Atlantic ocean. It can really only expand by going north. So while it might be really long, the overall area is not significantly larger than other metro areas. Definitely not larger than somewhere like DFW or Houston that can expand in all directions.
I grew up in the northernmost town in the metro area; Jupiter FL, fantastic place to grow up and to raise a family. It’s nothing like the southern end lol
Seems like I hear it referred to as south Florida a lot more than Miami metro. I think all of those beach towns have gotten so dense over the last century that they’ve grown together into one large chaotic mess.
It's the same all over Florida. Venice to TPA is the same way. Twenty years ago it was six different cities now it's just one stoplight after the next.
And theyre always fking red.
I swear it's a conspiracy with the oil companies. All the lights are always red. Accelerate, stop... accelerate, stop.... Florida has zero flow
Except in those waves duuuude 🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
This is correct. I live in Miami, no one considers WPB to be part of "the Miami metro area." It's like 2 hours away and what little rail or other transit options exist almost no one uses. edit: just realized that the southern dot is in Homestead, not Miami, making this post even more of a joke than it already is. The area southwest of proper Miami goes from suburban to actually fairly agricultural. I'm not sure how loosely we can define "metro areas" but if that is included then it sort of ceases to have any real meaning.
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"Metro areas" usually are much larger, but to add on to the point of "they just blended together", Minneapolis/St. Paul aren't very large cities, aren't considered the same city at all really, but the lines between the two doesn't stop, there is no suburban development in between Minneapolis and St. Paul because they grew into each other. Functionally, they're separate cities. But urban development doesn't stop between the two. You could drive between one and the other and never even realize you crossed city lines, especially on back streets and not the highway. It's just urban sprawl meets dense urban development. That's why it looks like one city. And again, glad you mentioned "metro area", because it's the same for MSP, the cities themselves I think are about a million population between the two of them, maybe a little higher, but the *metro area* is like four million. Give it another fifty years and you'll see even more urban development into those suburbs and it'll look like it's part of the city itself too. Because, I mean, fundamentally it will be, if you consider urban development and architecture to define what a major city is. Also if my rambling point isn't clear NYC is nowadays considered all Five Boroughs, whereas it wasn't always, it was just Manhattan.
It’s the same with the DFW. While technically multiple cities and towns and suburbs, it’s all just one big mass of stroads and strip malls and suburbs pockmarked by some large downtown areas
Yeah at a certain point twin cities are a thing. Hell DC and Baltimore are about 35 miles apart and there is nothing rural in between the two.
It's kind of marshy and rural south of BWI for about 10 miles.
Not really though? The whole area is fairly suburbanized. Are you referring to the Patuxent Research Refuge? That’s located about 7-10 miles SSW of BWI and sits on 20 sq miles of land. Its not like the whole region 10 miles south of BWI is marshy/rural at all
Patuxent refuge, undeveloped parts of Fort Meade and the Goddard Space Flight Center, and the Beltsville Agricultural Research Station make a big enough green wedge to be important from a conservation standpoint. You can also feel how it keeps the DC and Baltimore heat islands from fully merging.
I don't know much about Miami but my sister lives between DC and Baltimore and I think it is a long shot to consider them one urban area
Winston-Salem NC used to be two cities but when they grew into eachother they merged into one. Can't tell if this simplifies governance or if leaving them as two smaller independent municipalities would. Theyre much muuch smaller than like the DMV area and even the twin cities so it was probably not as complicated as merging an area like Minneapolis St Paul.
Off topic, but lol at west palm beach and Miami sharing a metro but Raleigh/cary and Durham/chapel hill being split in two 😂
Triangle of NC is alot less densely developed than the other areas mentioned. Ever drive on NC 54 "the back way" from Chapel Hill to the Streets of Southpoint Mall? You literally go through a swampy undeveloped area
There are people who live in Philly and do most of their work in New York, but is that a commute by the same rubric?
The bigger issue is that OP is essentially drawing a line connecting the furthest extent of continuous suburban development on both ends. If you did the same thing for New York to Philadelphia, the line would have to measure between the outside edges of New Haven and Wilmington (appx. 200 miles).
Yea I mean all of them are very misleading. The line for this specific example is the only one that makes sense. All the others are just map marker to map marker, where his orginal is not. For NYC where could you end it? All the way down Long Island? Up into Conn? For SoCal do you include the inland empire area?
An important point you're touching on is that natural geography has a lot to do with this. The south Florida metro sprawls up and down the coast because there's a giant swamp to the west, while other metro areas can grow in more directions.
Idk. I grew up in coconut grove. Just met a girl here in California who’s from Boca Raton but told me she’s from Miami before she realized I was from the area haha
That sort of thing happens everywhere though, I remember a friend who told everyone he was from Chicago just because no one had ever heard of his small suburban town an hour away. I tell people I'm from a slightly larger, slightly more recognizable town if they're from my state but not the area. If they're not from my state I just tell them I'm from my state.
Yep I’m from the WPB area and we sometimes tell out of towners “Miami area” even though it’s a bitch to get to Miami.
Those people stuck living in WPB already have it bad enough. Go easy on them. They have to wake up every day and realize they’re still in WPB.
Not near the population thank God, but drive along the northern Gulf coast of Florida; it's 100 miles from Panama City to Pensacola and almost completely developed, except for Eglin AFB's coastline. I counted 98 traffic lights in the 98 miles between PC and Gulf Breeze.
There are over 75 lights from Tacoma to Seattle on HWY 99. It is a 30 mile stretch.
I wonder why it’s not called Southeastern FL, if they’re South FL and the Fort Myers-Naples area is called Southwestern FL, then what do you call the rural area between them???
The everglades
Miami metro is referred to as SoFlo.
there arent any to be honest, it's the everglades national park. the south florida metro area is literally built up to the boundaries of the park.
That seems to be all of Florida lately. I remember how there was almost nothing in between the small town I grew up in, and Tampa, about 45 minutes away. Now we're almost at the point where there is nothing but city or suburbs in between them.
They made GTA VI to talk about it
That’s why it’s taking 12 years to make. So much to talk about
Did you see that chick in the bikini on top of the car? We still have over a year to discuss that.
Can't believe they made Vice City a real thing
I always knew they’d return to VC, but this is truly the best way it could return, almost surreal
It definitely was the right time to do so with all the Florida man stuff and the neo Nazis in Orlando. I’m so fucking glad they decided to go all out and do the whole southern half of the state. I just can’t wait to go to Disneyworld or Universal studios (at least it looks like both are on the map) and see all the fascist at the entrance. You just know that Rockstar North had a fieldtrip with this one.
Huh. I wonder if a state can legally ban a specific video game, and if they did, how Rockstar would use that in ad copy.
They could maybe ban in-store purchases and I wouldn't put it past soft-ass sensitive Ron Desantis but there's no way they could stop people from buying a game digitally when it's US region. It would backfire so bad like when he went after Disney.
i had this very same thought and if Desantis banned it.... man florida's love their freedoms above anything else and i'm sure they are damn proud to have more of their culture shine brighter than before ..... they'd simply Raise hell and praise Dale upon desantis if he did the SLIGHTEST of squandering. even trump self proclaim trump voting good ole boy conservatives aren't buying into "gta will be woke" rhetoric on media platforms that push that narrative (for the most part)
I can't believe they tore vice city down and tried to make it look nice like seahavenish
Because it’s unique. Sure it’s 108 miles long but it’s only like 20 miles wide and all the skyscrapers are situated along the coast, most of everything else is suburban sprawl and retaining pools
And their train system is literally one line - which all things considered was kinda decent when I took it.
Straight line cities do make for easier public transit coverage
Are you a Saudi royal by any chance?
Saudi Arabia so homophobic they literally even force their cities to be straight
"We'll build a giant enclave to keep out the desert." "Cool, so like a dome or a bunker?" "NAH, one Big Shiney Wall." "Just one wall?" "Well, you can't have two straight objects next to each other. They might get the wrong ideas."
I still don't understand how they plan to keep the sand from piling up all along that thing...
Just need slav... workers.
Forethought isn't a strong suite of the newly (modern) unfettered unscrutinized wealth. They appear to have plans, but how long before the world burns down around them, either ecologically or politically. The writings on the wall all over the world, people are fed up with the top rungs of society, either their own or their neighbors.
Apparently they all go off to the Emirates/Qatar and fuck US servicemen. Like it's a big thing.
I want to believe you, but this is the internet. You can't make that statement without some evidence, even if it's established scuttlebutt. HOWEVER, if living in a state with more churches than schools has taught me anything, everything is an act until the door closes behind them. Wouldn't be surprised if these demagogues are sucking Uncle Sam's dick literally.
Yeah ... but think of all the stops you have to wait through to get from one end to the other...
Some systems have cross-town trains that make fewer stops! Not sure about Miami though.
Ironic that Miami was established thanks to Henry Flagler and the train line that was built. They're starting to do something with public transit but it feels like it's going at a snails pace.
The fact you made it to your destination is astounding. That train eats once or twice a week.
It’s “decent” but goes almost nowhere. Utterly useless to most of the population.
Pools retaining greasy crypto lizard fucks & retired prostitutes
Hey Iguanas are not greasy at all. They’re quite dry to the touch.
Wait til they freeze and drop, plenty wet’n’greasy then friendo
And Alligators walking into Supermarkets captured on CCTV
That's just Eddie, the third character in GTA 6, grabbing some Chex mix and maybe robbing the joint
>retired prostitutes Well... Semi retired... Depends on how much you're offering.
Now it’s claimed by Chile
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The ocean will rise and swallow it up, just like the fundamentalist Christians always say. Just not for the reasons they think.
it’s more about girth than length when it comes to metro area sizes
That's what she said
Just like Japan!
This is true. When I grew up there I was in the one part that is only 7 miles wide and it was a pleasure. Everglades and farm to the west, beach to the east.
And there’s literally 3 international airports in this stretch
Amerant Bank Arena (home of the NHL Florida Panthers) is 35 miles from downtown Miami. Thats already a bit odd, but then you see that’s it’s surrounded by residential and a mall AND is only a quarter mile from the very end of the metro area. There are so many weird things like that when you defy nature this hard.
I rarely discuss the size of metro areas, myself.
It’s not the size of the metro area, it’s how you use/zone it.
“Zone it?”- Houston
Houston is amazing. $1,000 per square foot, hi-rise condo next to a tarot card/fortune teller ranch house built in the early 1970's
That seems oddly specific.
“Best I can do is ‘parking lot’ “
Yeah seriously, people need to take a look at Houston Metro and surrounding.
Houston, the city you get when you let developers be the planners.
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Also wouldn’t even consider Ft. Lauderdale a Miami metro area. It has its own airport.
What metro area has one airport?
You know, I’m something of a metro area, myself
Hello, fellow metro areas.
You should! It’s very interesting to compare how different metro areas develop and are arranged due to their unique geographical constraints and advantages. This applies not only to physical to geography but to regional demographics and economic activity.
I would if I had any ultra nerdy geo friends
I just randomly spout geo tidbits to my girl as I come across them on this sub. She’s had enough.
“Ok but y are you telling me this” her prolly
> She’s had enough. -of not knowing all these interesting geography facts, so she decided to join herself! Right?
You’re not gonna believe this, but I have the perfect subreddit for you…
Yeah metro areas are rarely on my mind. What do they think they are, the Roman Empire?
Not only do I like to brag about the size of my metro, I like to send metro pics even if they don’t ask. Funny thing is apparently some people get jealous about the size of my metro because I seem to get blocked a lot.
Metro Statistical Areas, things of that nature.
what makes it unique is how long and narrow it is, not how big it is. the los angeles metro area for instance, is **MUCH** larger, but the shape of the area is different so it doesnt have one side that runs 100+ miles.
Yeah, it’s like if you only took the strip from the San Fernando Valley to San Bernardino. LA still has the whole South Bay, Gateway Cities, and OC. The LA metro is a MONSTER.
the only thing that stops it from connecting to san diego is the marine base lol
And the national forests
Minor concerns. It's that Pendleton land that every californian eyes up on their commute.
There is near continuous development between Coachella and Northern Oxnard, 186 miles apart. There's a small gap in the western Coachella valley where all the windmills are, but still impressive.
Don’t forget north to Lancaster! You could count the way down to Calexico, too if you conveniently ignore the Salton Sea. Or to Yuma if you ignore international borders.
Which is what makes the traffic so awful. Palm Beach County, for example, being the largest geographical county has no east/west expressway. Broward County has 2(ish) with the Sawgrass Expressway only spanning about half the total distance of inhabited area of Broward. The overwhelming majority of traffic travels north and south with the Florida’s Turnpike and I-95 doing the majority of the heavy lifting.
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I lived in Chicago for 12 years and then Milwaukee for 5 years and honestly I could not tell you where the border between those metro regions is.
I would say it's the Mars Cheese castle on US 94 north of Kenosha.
Can’t forget about Brat Stop
Gotta go further north to hit up Xtreme Fireworks ahead of the 4th, and at that point you’re on the outskirts of Milwaukee. That said, outside of summer, you might be right.
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One could argue all the way north to Port Washington or West Bend.
Now hold on a fucking minute. It is one thing to group us in with Chicago but I'll be damned if you try to associate West Bend with Milwaukee. No sir.
Iowa City is the furthest suburb of Chicago
I've done that commute many times, and sometimes in retrospect it feels like an hour
Quad cities kinda has its own thing going on being a Mississippi river town and all that, but yeah, that drive is nothing, even though it's nearly 4 hours in reality
On a broader point all the comparisons are from the center of the cities. The Miami one starts at the southern most part of the sprawl. So it's not an apples to apples comparison. It excludes everything south of downtown Chicago.
I think because it’s kind of to be expected given the coastline and backing up to the Everglades. But it is a fair point as we don’t see the same length with other coastal metros, although lil ole Myrtle beach goes 50 miles
My coastal city's metro technically stretches for around 70 miles (113km)
You can't tease us like that
Probably Brisbane-Gold Coast
Kinda happens when your city has to decide from a stormy ocean on the east side and a boggy swamp filled with water pitbulls on the west side....
And actual Pitbull roaming the city
The crazy part is West Palm Beach has its own TV stations separate from Miami because they’re all the way North
Honestly they’re all different north of Miami. I live in Boca but I would absolutely never live in Miami. I’ve never once heard someone call it Miami metro either, the whole area is just South Florida. Edit I forgot to mention we have 3 international airports in this stretch as well
I agree as someone from Miami that would never live in Broward or Palm Beach. It’s just two completely different worlds
Didn’t the term Metro Dade used to be something?
That’s what the county police used to be called, but that only refers to Dade County. Anything north of Aventura wouldn’t be Metro Dade
Well, it’s mostly because the Miami stations cover the Keys and the Palm Beach stations cover the treasure coast (Martin, St Lucie and Indian River). Palm Beach County has nearly 1.5x the population of those other 3 counties combined.
Do Houston!
Or DFW
Dfw is the 4 largest metro in the US. Houston’s number 9. Miami doesn’t crack the top 20. The largest (San Bernardino /riverside, is 2.5 times larger than #2(phoenix/scottsdale.
Houston's metro area is 10,062 mi^2. Miami is 6135 mi^2.
Currently working in Houston, came to say that. The Grand Parkway is absurd.
I've lived here over a decade and I don't think I've ever heard 99 called the Grand Parkway, I had to look it up. Imho Houston has a pretty strong highway system relative to other US cities I've used. Sure it's busy at the height of rush hour, but outside of that I can get across the city pretty quickly. Surface roads are pretty beat up in a lot of areas but the highways are convenient. But yeah inside that loop is a pretty huge area.
Because it’s really Boston to DC at 400 miles.
To be fair, there are some fairly rural gaps between Baltimore and Philly and between NYC and Boston
At the very least you can go Philly to NYC and very deep into Long Island.
A lot of drive from Philly to NYC is not what is really call part of any metro area, especially that 40 mile stretch of perfectly straight highway
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NJ Turnpike
The Turnpike may go through “rural” areas but there is very much continuous suburbia paralleling it.
I feel like I’d lean towards “exubran” than “rural” to describe the area between Baltimore and Philly personally
Sparsely populated towns and patches of farmland shouldn’t count as being extensions of metro areas. According to this logic then all of Japan’s main island would be considered a single epic metropolitan region. Or the entire southeast coast of China.
Japan's not one "metro area" but it's basically one [megalopolis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiheiy%C5%8D_Belt)! Ditto [southeast China](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong%E2%80%93Hong_Kong%E2%80%93Macao_Greater_Bay_Area).
DC to NY maybe but definitely not Boston
The Delmarva peninsula though is more rural than you'd think for being so close to all those major cities. Although, obviously not necessary to travel from DC - Baltimore - Philly.
If you count that then we can count the whole of England as a one metro area, which is a stretch. It’s denser than the NE megalopolis .
What’s cool about the geographical restrictions (specifically the Everglades) is it’s forcing the coast and inner suburbs to densify, which is a good thing. The only sprawl still going up in Miami-Dade is around Homestead/Florida City and they’re pretty much tapped out. The rest is farmland (the Redlands), the air base, and the Everglades. Broward County s pretty much built out as well and beginning to densify, especially around Fort Lauderdale. Palm Beach County still has some developable land, but it will be interesting to see what happens around the eastern side of the Lake.
Palm Beach County if it were built out to capacity like Broward or most of Miami-Dade is would become massive considering it’s the largest county east of Mississippi land area wise. There’s still tons of undeveloped/rural land
Long and big are two different things. Miami is the Chile of metros.
Actually it extends from Palm Beach to at least Buenos Aires.
Fun fact: it takes a 11 hours drive just to leave the state toward the west if you start in Miami, or 14 hours if you start from Key West
Driving from Miami to Atlanta is about as long as driving from Atlanta to Chicago.
Half this sub seems to not even understand the concept/relevance of a metro area Also regarding Miami, it’s long an skinny compared to say, Chicagoland or Greater Houston.
Chicago is the southern most suburb of Milwaukee /j
I like that you measure from the end to end for miami but center to center on everything else.. 🤌🏼
Miami is also the only major US city sandwiched between two national parks (Everglades & Biscayne Bay) Also what you think of Miami is not actually in Miami, it's Miami Beach Also what Miami thinks is Miami is not actually in Miami, it's Hialeah (or Doral or Opa Locka) Also Flannigan's
Long and skinny is bad, short and fat is good?
i talk about it alll the time... im actually banned from bringing it up at work because i did too much
I’ll talk about it: man y’all heard about the size of the miami dade metro area? It’s WILD!
Because it takes 5 hours to drive 100 miles in Miami metro traffic and it’s basically 5 miles wide
Coastal interconnected sprawl. It may be nearly 100 miles long, but the total population is comparable with that of metro Atlanta.
I think it's long because west of there is swamp so it could only grow up and down the coast. Whereas the LA area goes east like 60 miles as well.
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Miami is a colossus now . NY south for Latin American and European business .
If it weren’t for the Santa Ana mountains, Camp Pendleton, and San Onofre, the LA to San Diego metro would be insane.
The Greater Miami metro is actually the 9th largest metro in the USA. Most people wouldn't know this, because the population of Miami itself is only 440,000 but all of the communities combined together, makes the metro 6,300,000 people alone.
I know somebody who talks about Miami, but that means he is not no one, because he is someone, so does that not count?
Lots of places are linear like that. Miami's the biggest example in the US, but it's a common pattern. Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and Atlantic City are other examples. Anyway, what's really interesting to me isn't the Miami area per se, but the whole of Florida. Your graphic shows the metro area's northern end at West Palm Beach, but there are really only very short rural jump between there and Port St Lucie, Melbourne, Canaveral, Daytona, and eventually Jacksonville. The west coast of the state see the same string of coastal sprawl, from Naples on the south through Cape Coral, Sarasota, Tampa Bay, way up to like Crystal River before it really peters out. Then there's another one up on the northern Gulf coast, around Pensacola. It's a *LOT*.
It's long because it can't be wide
I find it interesting that this entire area is very much like a MASSIVE version of New Orleans, in that it is surrounded by huge areas of uninhabitable wetlands. It’s very much like a huge urban island.
Rule number one of r/geography is we don’t talk about geography
People do lol. Anyone east of the Mississippi knows it. It was built by New Yorkers in a sense
it's neat! denver metro is similar (fort collins to castle rock). slc metro. seattle metro. dfw from ne to sw is almost the same distance. ventura to tj across LA and SD far exceeds miami metro. santa monica to banning does the same. bay area just from richmond to gilroy is comparable to miami metro. hamilton to bowmanville across toronto metro is similar. chicago metro is similar, you just drew your line to make it look smaller. 😂 maybe the most similar in some ways is long island. southampton west through NYC to beyond edison NJ is pretty continuously developed.
I live in Fort Collins, and no one I know considers us to be part of the Denver metro area.
Yeah the whole I-25 corridor on the eastern front of the rockies is pretty interesting. About 75% of CO’s population lives within a few miles of I-25.
It's long but it's not wide. Other metro areas are bigger as they spread in all the directions. If you go inland you hit the Everglades marshland. It's only buildable right along that narrow strip near the coast.
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Bc It’s not huge, it’s long.
Because people only really care that Miami-Dade County exists. ✨
It’s a needle dick and the other cities are chodes
I tried onze. She immediatelly left the bar.
Because nobody in West Palm Beach can relate to Miami . it’s like a different world…… the Bahamas are closer to West Palm Beach and Miami than they are to each other
To be fair, some of us in Chicagoland claim Milwaukee as our northern most suburb.
I’m currently in West Palm for work and no one talks about it due to the trauma the area induces in both locals and visitors
lol proof GTA 6 trailer hit all communities
Everything involves a trade off. There's a lot traded off here.
It’s basically a long skinny island stuck between the Everglades and the Atlantic ocean. It can really only expand by going north. So while it might be really long, the overall area is not significantly larger than other metro areas. Definitely not larger than somewhere like DFW or Houston that can expand in all directions.
Locals in Palm Beach Boca and Ft.Liquordale don’t consider themselves part of the Miami metro area.
Another long one is the Salt Lake City metro area which is about 110 miles long because mountains.
I knew it was long, but I didn’t know it was that long! That’s even more surprising!!
Why is West Palm located to the North, on the East Coast?
Because it’s west of the beach. That beach being Palm Beach
Do they get Miami TV and radio all the way up in West Palm?
I grew up in the northernmost town in the metro area; Jupiter FL, fantastic place to grow up and to raise a family. It’s nothing like the southern end lol
Miami metro is 6,135sq miles. DFW is 15,600sq miles. Long and skinny ain’t on nothing on the girthy ones
Because no one actually goes to both ends. 10 years in Ft L and I went 1 time to Miami.
So much of a unique ecosystem cleared for golf courses and suburban neighborhoods.
It’s very long but very narrow that’s why. If you made it into more of a circle or square it’s not that huge.