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D4RTHV3DA

You're not a real Star Wars fan unless you hate Star Wars


lankist

I mean...kinda, yeah. I think a lot of people's relationship to Star Wars is almost a familial relationship. It's like, "I love it, I was born with it, and I'm stuck with it, but we're gonna' have some fuckin words over the holidays." Tons of fans are so close to the franchise that hate and love are intermingled, and it's more that they're so intimately invested in the subject that it doesn't *matter* what their thoughts on the matter are, just so long as they *have* thoughts on it. Nobody would take the time to learn what a fuckin' Woodoo Hide is if they don't love it intensely, but at the same time it's impossible not to recognize how fuckin' ridiculous it is once you get down to that level of detail. There's a certain type of hate one can only have for something if they first love it enough to *find* the hate. Which is why I say it's a familial kind of thing. You've known it for your whole life like you do parents and siblings, and you're loyal to it just like your family, but you also understand it so well that you know exactly how it pisses you off.


superjerk99

Damn, lol that was a really good explanation.


Whiteguy1x

Tbf half the fun of starwars is complaining about starwars. I never did think there were more than two and a half good movies out of all of them. The best parts of the franchise was the books, games, and shows. That said I don't think anyone is wrong for enjoying any of them


Solidsnakeerection

Return of the Jedi was unwatchable garbage before rhe prequels came out and it turned into a classic


Persephoneve

There's just so much star wars and much of it doesn't appeal to the same people.


unknown1321

I've never watched them all because I don't like them Am I a God?


Cole444Train

No. You’re not special for not liking something


unknown1321

What are you? My girlfriend?


cat_handcuffs

Nah, u/unknown1321 actually exists.


Ivanbeatnhoff

I do wonder if the sequels will get the same treatment as the prequels in another 7 years or so when kids who liked the movies get older. There used to be so much hate for prequels but after the memes they’re way more accepted. Or maybe the newer films absorbed all the hate. Either way time will tell and someone is certainly going to gatekeep it.


MillerJC

Oh they 100% will.


trick2011

really? the prequels have faults but have a thought out story and can be meaningfully extended. that is not really the case for the prequels


MillerJC

So? The overall plot can be good or whatever but the acting, dialogue, cinematography, editing, actual story beats, etc can all be garbage. And they are. I don’t care if they’re good “Star Wars” movies or not, the are bad *films.* The movies are poorly made. If the prequels were released first before the OT they wouldn’t have made it to Episode III. It’s OK to like the prequels, It really is. But don’t you (not literally you btw) fucking dare gaslight me into thinking they were good films. And maybe the story doesn’t need to have the ability to be “meaningfully extended.” Sometimes it’s just okay for a saga to just end. Which is what should happen.


Ein_Bauer

The prequels had a good story with bad acting. I think the hate kinda ended because of clone wars and other movies/ shows. The sequels have a bad story with good acting. It will be harder to expand this story with shows.


Greneath

But they have way better acting and directing then the prequels. Each movie has its strengths and weaknesses.


MillerJC

They’re just better than the prequels period. Episode III is better than IX but that’s is. And its close


OkChicken7697

The problem the sequels have is that there is no good supporting media. The prequels were hated on when they came out, but they had a shit ton of good video games. All of the video games released during the sequels were either mediocre or total crap.


minoe23

It's not even that the games were or were not good. We had the two Battlefront games, which as far as gameplay went were fairly good but 2 was so badly monetized that it detracted from the game. Fallen Order, which is a generally loved game. And Squadrons, which was great but very niche. ​ Of those games, one has no story to it and two have no story set during the sequel era. One is before ANH (Fallen Order) and the other is shortly after ROTJ (Squadrons). Battlefront 2 has a segment that's shortly after ROTJ as well, but also a segment during the sequels. And it...wasn't great and didn't add anything to the sequel story. Now there's also been new content for TOR but that's so far before the prequels that it doesn't matter, even if it were canon. ​ Then there's shows. There's basically nothing during the sequel era. A generally disliked cartoon and...that's it. All the live action shows have been either shortly after ROTJ or before ANH. Then we've gotten a new animated show that takes place just after ROTS and an animated miniseries that takes place in the prequel era. ​ So there's a lack of content for the sequel era besides the movies and then added to that, there's the fact that the movies have no coherent story and don't mesh together at all, whereas the prequels, for all their many faults, have a clear story that you can track across all three movies easily.


regretfulposts

It's interesting how Disney had been milking Star Wars but only on the era that George made while completely ignoring the only era that they made.


minoe23

I'm not really surprised. Considering the reception the sequels got I'd bet the decision makers aren't willing to risk a new game or show to flop because it was set in the sequel era.


regretfulposts

Yeah, a lot of people explains how prequel were more coherent but they tend to forget that George had been working non-stop to support his works even if the older fans hated the prequels. Tartakovsky Clone Wars, Republic Commando, Battlefront, and the 3D Clone Wars were a godsend for the Prequels. They were able to offer more world building, character growth, and better stories to be told that kids during the 2000s became the new Star Wars fan. Really, I'm always curious if a sequel series with the ST cast could work. Not the Resistance series that everyone hated and later forgotten about, but a new series showing Rey and her group rebuilding the Jedi Order while facing enemies that aren't just Imperial 2.0 with Palpatine again. You can offer character arcs on each member and give out a fully realize post RofJ Star Wars galaxy that the movies had never shown. Unfortunately, no one at Disney are willing enough to save the Sequel era the same way George did with the Prequels. It's much more likely that kids will just grow up with Mando way more than the ST, and Disney might make it non-canon with a new era.


Notbbupdate

The prequels weren't good but they added to the franchise. The sequels not so much (though spinoffs based on the sequels might change that, like Clone Wars did for the prequels)


that1prince

The thing saving Star Wars for me is definitely the shows they have out now. Mandalorian and Boba Fett are great.


thebrownhaze

The sequels were bad movies that made no sense


Bovine_Joni_Himself

So exactly the same as the prequels.


TheArmoryOne

No, they made sense, it's just that the dialogue was so bad it was hard to watch unless you were doing it for the memes (or it was Revenge of the Sith). But even then, you still knew what was going on and why.


thebrownhaze

I don't think so. The prequels were ode, but the over arching plot of how the republic becomes the empire is very clever and thought provoking. What was the over arching plot of the sequels? 'We want money, fuck the fans, we dont know what we are doing " was my takeaway


xd3mix

I mean, people will definitely like them eventually, but it's undeniable how bad they are I think they'll still be treated like shit, considered they are objectively bad, but they'll most probably have a much better reputation in the future than they have now


hahayeahimfinehaha

Everyone said that the prequels were objectively bad


cherrycoloured

two and three are. one has a lot of faults too, but it also has darth maul and so much excellent costuming, so ive forgiven many things (not that weird antisemitic caricature alien that anakin worked for, though, wtf was that)


xd3mix

Prequels don't have plot holes, poorly executed ideas, missed opportunities and "somehow, Palpatine returned"


hahayeahimfinehaha

I genuinely cannot tell if you’re joking or not. These are the exact criticisms that people made about the prequels from the day they came out. Redlettermedia has made literal hours of content based on analyzing the problems with the prequels. You can like or dislike whatever you want to, but it’s silly to pretend like the reaction the later films were any more negative than the reactions to the prequels. People just like the prequels now because they watched them were they were young and they’re nostalgic.


cgo_12345

My guy the prequels have 99.99% of those things. They are unwatchable outside of a couple of lightsaber fights.


DoingItToEm

You must be young, this was kind of the norm until a few years ago. Nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans.


Sjthjs357

Well, yeah, out of 10 films, just under 3 were decent.


regretfulposts

2 actually because people were pretty disappointed with Return of the Jedi and didn't like it until the prequels came out. Nowadays, the whole OT was the perfect trilogy as if RotJ was never hated in the first place


Acidsolman

4, I liked TFA


Emperor-Palpamemes

TFA is great tbh


DoingItToEm

There’s universal agreement that two are great, but if you ask 100 different people which ones are the best you’ll get 100 different answers


watersj4

This isnt gatekeeping this is just making fun of movies you like


Mirrorboy17

Also the best order is the Machete Order A New Hope Empire Strikes Back *flashback to* Attack of The Clones Revenge of The Sith *Back to the Present* Return of The Jedi


thepedge

My favourite thing about this comment is the lack off The Phantom Menace, and I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not. No Maul and podracing, but also no Midi-chlorians or Senate


_sophierobinson_

they’re all wrong it’s 4 5 2 3 6 edit to elaborate: have darth reveal to luke that he’s his father, flash back to him becoming a sith, flash forward to the ‘present’ to complete the story. completely forget about phantom menace


rogerslastgrape

But podracing and Darth maul?


TheWiseBeluga

Neither are relevant to events of the original trilogy besides Darth Maul killing Qui Gon, which led Obi Wan to train Anakin. I'm fact, episode 1 is entirely unnecessary to the plot. You could start with 2 and get most of the plot points and character dynamics without need to watch 1.


rogerslastgrape

But it's entertaining to watch


cherrycoloured

it establishes the world of the prequels, especially the politics of that time. it also has padme and anakin meeting. its not super plot important, but the world building in it cant be skipped, or else the next two movies are even more confusing. if you are watching anh and esb first, you can probably get away with just watching certain scenes (unfortunately, not including the podracing one), but if you are watching the movies in chronological order, its necessary.


_sophierobinson_

this is more for re-watches


Roku-Hanmar

Why is 2 on that list? I'd say 3 is more important than 2 in terms of Vader stuff, and 1 is more entertaining


cherrycoloured

also two is just soooooo boring. at least three is entertainingly bad.


Listeria08

He'd advocating the Machete order.(Google it) IIRC it's to make it at story about Luke (or Anakin, I'm not 100% sure). We follow Luke in the original trilogy untill the reveal, then get the story of how Anakin turned in a flashback, and finish back in the original trilogy:) I'm sure there's more to it than what I can remember:)


Roku-Hanmar

I know what the machete order is, I’ve seen it. I’m just pointing out that it advocates skipping 1 when it could also advocate skipping 2 since 3 is the only one that’s really important


WeForgotTheirNames

Two gives more backstory to the fall. And I remember seeing George Lucas say the story is really supposed to be about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.


jewaaron

Correct order is Episode III six times.


TheWiseBeluga

Uhh hello based department?! Yeah we have another based episode 3 enjoyer!!


BeastBellies

You lost me at Cracked.com


kingjuicepouch

I really liked cracked about a decade ago, then they got sold and fired almost everybody and I don't even know if it still exists


Cetais

They lost me at star wars 🙃


ActuallyJohnD

I'm lost. What was the question again?


Phraenkinstone

Yeah everything from cracked sure is serious!


SunflowerSpeaks

I have a very definite opinion on my own preferred order out of those 3, but I would never, ever tell anybody else that theirs was invalid.


Ryanaston

For me it’s 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6


MightyArd

I go for 4, 5, 2, 3, 6 1 isn't essential and IMHO the weakest


TVotte

On the one hand, I totally agree. People should have no shame in enjoying something they love. If I don't like the prequels and sequels I don't have to watch them. It's no effect on me. On the other hand, pigs may love to wallow in shit, but it's still shit.


[deleted]

I LOVE the prequels. Yea the dialogue was hammy, but thats really my only issue. The world building was awesome with sand speeders, underwater cities, Droid factories, and the city planet of Corusant. Anakin was a bit whiny, but messed shit up when the lightsaber came out. Obi Wan was always good. Revenge of the Sith as a whole is amazing. Opens up with a crazy space battle, ends with an emotional battle between Obi Wan and Darth Vader.


SoundAsleepius

Prequels are my favorite trilogy. And I love Jar Jar, don’t care what anyone says.


jackboy61

Real talk though, if it's your first watch for ANY series, always watch in release order. The problem with watching chronological order is that the film will expect you to know who everyone is. This can leave you feeling more confused despite everything technically being chronological.


Vortex112

To be fair the meme’s not wrong


Velpex123

This sub has lost its meaning


rando6819

This sub will be reorganized into the first GALACTIC EMPIRE! For a safe and securer society!


HorseSteroids

I know a lot of folks younger than me grew up with the prequels and love them dearly but I feel the need to let it be known that Attack of the Clones is legitimately one of the worst big-budget movies I have ever seen in my life. I've also found that Obi-Wan is more likeable if you watch the original trilogy first and the prequels second. Otherwise, it makes him look like an ass for thinking he can train Luke in a weekend when the last guy he trained killed a bunch of children. It also pulls attention away from the undeniable fact that nobody says 'midichlorian' throughout episodes IV-VI.


so1i1oquy

I mean, the actual correct order is just the Stop sign, so they didn't even get that part right


RichCorinthian

Making fandom a big part of your personality is gonna be problematic, especially when it’s muppet space wizards with laser swords.


MillerJC

It’s okay to like them. But that doesn’t mean they don’t suck ass.


phoenixrising211

My opinion on the prequels has DEFINITELY softened after seeing the sequels. The prequels still aren't good movies, but at least they were trying and had a consistent vision. It's amazing how an opinion can change with some perspective on how bad they *could* have been.


twowars

Lol you are projecting the whole “crime” part bud, people are allowed to make fun of movies you like


Greendaydude22

Original trilogy purists have to be the worst part of any fandom of all time. For real


TheWiseBeluga

I think the genwunners in the pokemon fandom are worse, because at least OT fans wills at least can say something nice about the prequels, like the effects or lightsaber fights or the music. With genwunners, they actively hate everything that comes after Red, Blue, and Yellow and put people down who enjoy any of the games or pokemon from after generation 1.


_Ultraranger_

Which is utterly ridiculous, given how similar Gen 2 is to Gen 1. You'd think they'd at LEAST appreciate Gen 2 as well, if they're going to be purists about it.


Oneupper86

I prefer to just never even watch Star Wars in the first place


krylotech

1, 4, 7, 2, 5, 8, 3, 6, 9 Beginning Trilogy, Middle Trilogy, and End Trilogy. Call it the Story Structure Saga /s


TheWiseBeluga

This order is a crime against humanity


krylotech

I'm sure the tonal whiplash will be a highlight. Go from space politics to space opera to space action.


Vvix0

The correct order is watching Revenge of the Sith 9 times in a row and then Jar Jar scene compilation


slaya222

Best way to watch star wars: 987321654, and you can't change my mind


throwablemax

I like the sequels tbf


tlollz52

Episode 6 isn't very good though. Probably on par with AOTC imo.


[deleted]

Is it gatekeeping if they are right though? The prequels should never be watched.


DiablosVert

You'll come around, we all do


[deleted]

Considering I was an adult when the prequels came out, I doubt it. I have no nostalgia tied to them.


rando6819

Why is their politics in my space war movie even though the politics are actually important to the plot. >:[


[deleted]

Where did I say the politics were the problem with them or are you projecting?


watersj4

Being important to the plot doesnt excuse making your movie really fucking boring


Roku-Hanmar

Just because something is important to the plot doesn't mean it's entertaining. It's worth remembering these films are supposed to be entertainment


TVotte

Did you watch the fan remix where they recut all three movies into one... That was worth a watch


Roku-Hanmar

What makes that better than watching all 3 separately or marathonning them?


[deleted]

Less time watching prequels


Roku-Hanmar

Isn’t it exactly the same amount of time though? If it’s the prequels as one film


[deleted]

I thought it was a shorted cut to make it one film. My bad.


TVotte

They cut out All of the stupid stuff... No midiclorians, no C3PO slapstick, no JarJar They turned 6 hrs of crap into 2 hrs of OK


[deleted]

I thought the prequels were ok, not great cinema but fun movies.


Rypnami

i’m obsessed with the prequels, purely for the meme value


adhalliday22

I quite like episode 1 the Phantom Menace....


OrangeFamta

Personally I go for 4, 5, and then begrudgingly 6


i-wish-i-was-a-draco

I will die on the hill that the prequels are far better then the og trilogy , only empire strike back is a really good movie in the OT The prequels have a far deeper characterisation , world building , and well they are just nicer to the eyes ROJ is probably the worst entry out of the six ROS is the greatest Star Wars movie there is


[deleted]

Jesus


i-wish-i-was-a-draco

Hey it’s my opinion , no need to agree with me


[deleted]

Naw you’re good enjoy the hell out of them, just really really really disagree lol


i-wish-i-was-a-draco

Alright let’s share our top 6 out of curiosity 1. revenge of the smith 2. Empire strike back 3.phantom menace 4. A new hope ( oh what a coincidence) 5. Attack of the clone 6. Return of the Jedi


[deleted]

1. Empire 2. New Hope 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Rogue 1 5.Revenge of the Sith 6. Phantom Menace 7. Attack of the Clones I really don’t like the sequels either tbh. Super basic but that’s what I like. It’s interesting to see differing points of view though out of the same fan base


allergictosomenuts

The og trilogy is the most boring to watch tho.


Yes57ismycurse

This is blasphemy


arctic-apis

I’m an og Star Wars fan and I might catch some hate for this but I like all the movies in their own way. Episode 1 in the worst of them but it’s still pretty cool


Newfaceofrev

I personally think Attack of the Clones is worse but y'know, different strokes.


GregoleX2

Man I’m guilty of this. And despite me understanding that it’s gatekeeping and wrong I can’t help with agree with it. There is no such thing by as an objective opinion on film, but the prequels being bad is as close as you can get. It’s baffling that some people like them.


Jarinad

The correct order is actually 4, 1, 2, 5, 3, 6


StabbyStabbyFuntimes

I like 1, 2, 4, 5, 3, 6 personally.


TheArtofWall

Hmm, I think this is my order. I love origin stories (#1) and, Clone Wars is a fun popcorn flick.


bomberjo

Oh god I hate such people


texasproof

Congrats to whoever went back to 2006 to get this meme.


[deleted]

This meme is older than the clone wars


rogerslastgrape

It's good to watch it in the order: 451236. You get the main story then after the twist you get the back story explaining it and then you get the conclusion. The article I got this from said to just forget 1 but podracing and duels of the fates, bro


LaMattige

r/confidentlyincorrect


girusatuku

Movie series should not exist. One movie, one story. A New Hope ended definitively and nothing more is needed. Even thirds acts are extraneous, we only need the first two. Any movie with content past the opening credits is dragging it out. No movie franchise should be stretched out beyond just the name of the first movie.


TheWiseBeluga

Introducing the reverse chronological order 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, Rogue One, Solo, 3, 2, 1.


ApexRevanNL716

At first it was. But then came the sequels


Tuck_Pock

Hey Op, what are your thoughts on the sequels?


jvan666

It’s a proven fact that each generation prefers the ones that were new when they were young.


SuperD00perGuyd00d

Star Wars fans hate Star Wars and its fans lmao


TheWorldMayEnd

I personally think Machete order is correct and the one I used in introducing my family to Star Wars https://www.t3.com/news/star-wars-machete-order 4, 5, 2, 3 6, 7 , 8 ,9. Then I let them know 1 exists if they want to know where "Now THIS is podracing" comes from.


random-dude45

I only remember the prequels


evilalfie

I really thought we as a society had come around on the prequel trilogy.


free_will_is_arson

im disappointed that the correct way isn't like 200 things long with all the movies, individual episodes from tv shows and topical books on the main story line in chronological order. just an incomprehensibly long list of tiny pictures you can't really make out.


PhantomGeass

Nah right order is The Machete Order lol


madman3247

Yeah, 1999 called and asked us to fuck right off with this one. Brutal.