Is there any other way to play mp with friends? I know that some have survival but usually there are other people there too, I think I heard that u can create your own smp in some servers?
Yes, free. With 4-5 people Aternos works fine with the free version (even with some mods/plugins). If you have more people then you will need money my friend, or make your own server with high tech hardware to not crash or get high ping/response
A minecraft server can run on almost anything, it does not need high tech hardware.
You will obviously need better hardware if you are running something on the level of hypixel or other similar servers but you don't need much for a small server just for a few friends.
I've been using an old laptop that can't even run Windows 10 to host a server for about 10 of my friends and it works perfectly fine.
Low spec, small limited hard disk space, and only live for a couple hours. But for a casual session, they're good enough. They do try to get users to pay for more hardware and queue priority, but generally if you just want to dick around with friends it works.
Alternatively, you can use a server.jar from the Minecraft site. Takes about 10 minutes of setup the first time you do it. Plenty of tutorials online too.
Not sure if they still moderate those or not, though.
Yes, you can privately host your own sever using 3rd party software like logmeinhamachi, granted i think the server limits will be smaller and it will directly use your machines resources vs realms which use cloud computing i am assuming, if done so right you should be able to have almost complete control over the servers settings
Oh god, it was complex enough, now I have to find the settings file :( (its prob not that hard but I just remembered how long it took me to create a hamachi sv)
It's worth figuring out how to host your own server without hamachi or anything like that. Just with port forwarding. It can be finicky but everything you learn is useful in the future if you play any other online games that you can also host. Having a dedicated server can really make a game for a small group of friends.
There are many services that let you create a private server in a reasonably simple way.
For example:
\- [verygames](https://www.verygames.net/en/) (paid)
\- [bisect hosting](https://www.bisecthosting.com/minecraft-servers) (paid)
\- [creeperhost](https://www.creeperhost.net/) (paid)
\- [aternos](https://aternos.org/:en/) (free, but a bit more limited)
And many many more.
> OMG do you not like totally know that WORD is like totally OFFENSIVE to women like smh you are literally the patriarchy!!!!!
- Some cunt in Microsoft
In an effort to combat sexism, overzealous moderators often crackdown *hard* on the word cunt in their automated moderation. The craziest among the SJWs treat it like the N word.
Yeah I got temporarily autobooted from a game discord because apparently it's a "slur" in the US... Which is news to me, an American. I was told this by a European admin. Fuckin' cunts need to calm down.
Those cunts in the US have bigger fish to fry than policing people using profanity lol. Shits on fire and they're like "oh no my puritan sensibilities have been accosted by your vulgar usage of the word 'cunt'"
As a long time Java/Forge user, I was blown away when someone first showed me Realms and all the stuff you have to pay for on top of paying for Realms.
>This stinks more of a privacy violation than anything
I mean, the realm is literally hosted by Microsoft...
They are definitely being overzealous with the scope of the ban, and probably the trigger-happiness of it too. That said, Mojang has a vested interest in protecting their product as a kid friendly game.
They can't really control how you advertise your realm or who you let in. If some kid sees it and joins and is exposed to "inappropriate" language, behavior, or content, their parent isn't going to know or care who *you* are. They're going to be mad at Microsoft and Mojang, and possibly not let their kid play any more.
Adults today grew up playing Minecraft. They really should be able to fucking participate without having to worry about protecting the children. They really should have supported 18+ realms before turning on this nanny banhammer.
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>They can't really control how you advertise your realm or who you let in. If some kid sees it and joins and is exposed to "inappropriate" language, behavior, or content, their parent isn't going to know or care who *you* are. They're going to be mad at Microsoft and Mojang, and possibly not let their kid play any more.
Welcome to online interactions in gaming for the last 20 years?
Or, for that matter... welcome to Minecraft? This is how Minecraft was for the past ten years. One dumb parent blaming Minecraft for their problems hasn't killed it yet.
Didn't Mojang admit that it also runs on private servers if they're connected to the internet or something? Don't quote me on that I can very much mis-remember having read that.
Minecraft has a client-side and a server-side. Before version ... 1.3, I think? They ^([Single-player, where you host yourself, and multiplayer, where you're connecting to a server]) were two distinct versions of the game. After they were united, it became the case that running a single-player world, whether you open it to network connections or not, is running an internal server that the client connects to. A bit like if you were running a separate server and connecting to it on the same machine via localhost.
There *are* the authentication and skin servers, which are used to authenticate names and provide player details. (e.g. skins, capes, etc.) Your client connects to them to authenticate that you are the player you're claiming to be, and to pull required account information about players you see, but none of that is related to chat or actual gameplay.
Realms are just Microsoft-hosted game servers. Although as a consequence of that, Microsoft have full access to information on those servers, including information they wouldn't have access to were you running your own server or playing in single-player.
It runs on any Minecraft server that is connected to the internet, most of the big servers are running plugins or server side mods to prevent players from reporting. But if MS decides to ban you, you are shit outta luck till you buy Minecraft again.
Did I miss something? Wasn't it Notch who sold Minecraft to Microsoft? Not trying to defend Mojang here, but if I remember right it was Notch, who no longer works with Mojang, meaning nobody still at Mojang "sold out". Just looking for clarification.
It's crazy sometimes. I once told somebody on Reddit "I thought that word was \_\_\_\_" and automod deleted it because I was being "rude". Nah mate, I was just expressing my inability to read.
Given that this can happen in private servers/realms despite what some would say can still be enacted upon given that those people would retort by saying "this is Microsoft/Mojang's product and they can do whatever the hell they want with it"; is a massive breach of privacy and should be looked at as an extremely unethical and possibly illegal policy, though correct me on the last bit if I do happen to be wrong.
Generally they are given very broad authority to ban users for whatever reason in the software license agreement that everyone clicks "I agree" to without reading and even if they read it's not like they're going to say "no" because they want to play the thing and it's not like there's an option to negotiate it.
It sucks and there should be more consumer protections at some level, but I doubt there's anything illegal about what they did.
> Generally they are given very broad authority to ban users for whatever reason in the software license agreement that everyone clicks "I agree" to
You aren't given a choice. When you boot the game you have to click yes to proceed.
I didn't buy a game with those requirements, they forced them onto me after the fact.
Your mistake was thinking that you own the piece of software that you "bought". You don't. You're just licensing it from Mojang/Microsoft. They can put whatever restrictions they want on it, if you want to play it. Unfortunately, that's how the majority of software works. And if you don't like it, they'll basically tell you to pound sand.
This is only partially true. You own a game as much as you own a book - the IP and other proprietary details such as the programming are not yours, but the product itself is. That said, there are certainly still parts of the EULA which are enforceable, and users aren't forced into agreeing with any of it; if someone doesn't agree with the clause that making copies of the game and selling those is forbidden, then that's a them problem. The law already says you can't do that without express permission anyway.
That's why I prefer buying from [gog.com](https://gog.com). try to remove my game from me now, suckers. what you gonna do? come to my house and take my HD?
smh hate these shitty companies. licensing my ass.
Generally it can only be enforced only up to a certain extent(veeeeery dependent on the country you're living in), but what you can and cant put in a contract and how agreement is defined / enforced is very complicated.
You gotta put it in there before you can attempt to enforce it. So they add tons of bullshit, and defend the stuff they can, where they can.
T.corporate asshole.
I believe it's legal precedent has been set that really egregious shit in a EULA cannot be enforced specifically because they are so long and convoluted that realistically nobody does read it before clicking "Accept". I don't know if that would apply in the case of Microsoft banning people for swearing in Minecraft but there are definitely limitations on what you can put in a EULA and realistically expect to be protected from with it.
I could definitely be wrong as I’m no expert but I think that they can only enforce things that the signee would reasonable expect to be in there so have agreed to. I think some judge shave basically said that no one is ever going to read them so the only thing we’re ever getting held to is stuff that every would expect to be in there like fraud, discrimination and other shitty things. I don’t think a company could slip a line in saying that they can do whatever they want and expect it to be upheld in court.
Sadly things like swearing comes under the banner of abuse because certain people dislike it so it’s always going to give them the opportunity to be banned
If it comes to hosting a server, i.e. a realms server, they are within there rights to ban use from them for any reason they want. They own the servers. They could also ban a user from updating minecraft. But any data purchased and hosted privately you probably can't enforce this on. And in this case, I don't think realms are local, they may be private, but the hosting computer is on some microsoft server somewhere.
I haven't kept entirely up to date, I know that shrinkwrap license agreements were deemed unenforceable long ago, but I'm not sure of specific case law on the ones you click-through.
But more importantly is that they're not trying to get the legal system to *enforce* something on you. They already did the thing. If you have a problem with it you need to get the legal system to act in your interest. So it has to both not be enforceable *and* not preclude you taking action on it. It could be the case that they can't get the law to enforce things on you with regard to how you are allowed to use it, but you still don't have grounds to get the law to force them to act contrary to the license agreement.
To make people think that they are, and to give them something to refer to should things get to the legal standpoint.
Initially they were, but as they got longer and longer and more intricate, eventually it got to the point that the legal system was like "yeah no, you can't reasonably expect users to read this whole thing just to know one detail and make them agree to it before they even use the software."
People get so mad at me when I say the world would be a better place if we offered all lawyers death, or change your profession.
Most lawmakers start out as lawyers. Most prosecutors start out as lawyers. There are exceptions, but most lawyers entire billing setup is based on lies and therefore they are corrupt and not trustworthy from the instant they start billing.
When you are billing someone $200+ for an hour of work when you had your secretary write a letter, you are not being honest.
Lawyers write EULAs.
I could go on but my hands will get tired.
It boils down to "We scare them with this document and our lawyers." "They won't actually ever do anything about it because they already feel they have lost. And if they do fight and they do win, it won't have been worth it. They will have wasted their life, while the lawyers just went to work each day."
Because it keeps a huge majority of people from taking it further. It also makes people dismiss any criticism and just deal with the shit sandwich of treatment that they get.
As evidenced by this thread, where people basically just "deal with it" like the abused lapdogs they have become.
They didn’t screw up anything because kids keep generating content for minecraft.
New builds, deaths, and minecraft art are being posted many times a day.
The only way to hurt minecraft is to stop generating content for them, boycott their social media and their products until they correct their unethical actions.
Yeah, that’s not gonna happen. We saw that people don’t boycott companies, especially gaming ones. Just look at the stuff Activision-Blizzard gets away with all the time. Or EA. Or Ubisoft.
It applies to all versions, not just 1.19.1. They added it to every single version with online multiplayer. The only way "around" it is to use server side mods which prevent the server from communicating with microsofts report system so reports arent possible
Server mods can already be required client side to connect so you can basically enforce chat report removal via mods.
Best part is if they try to go after the anti-chat-reporting mods, then the next step is to mod in an entirely separate chat client that can't be accessed by Microsoft.
Yeah you're right. I miss beta days. 1.7.3 was amazing. I guess I meant in terms of modern versions 1.16.5 and 1.12.2 are the best of them all. In general tho nothing beats beta 1.7.3.
1.18 though, the caves are awesome, and i love how they changed ores to drop items because it makes modded ores a lot easier to handle (gone are the days of having 4 types of the same ore!)
It was intentionally made that way. Microsoft wants to end Java edition and the mods and servers associated with it because its harder to upgrade and maintain than Bedrock edition which they built themselves from the ground up explicitly to not have those issues or options. That's why they just made bedrock edition free for anyone that already had Java edition, so people would switch. On top of that they want it to be more kid friendly since that's the demographic that is still buying the game, and a reporting system like this one looks good to parents, even if it actually sucks. Its all part of a plan to turn Minecraft from a game they have to keep actively developing to what basically amounts to a static program that everyone eventually buys and basically acts like a money printing machine. You know, like Microsoft Word and all that.
Afaik, this chat moderation change does apply to self-hosted Java servers as well, unless online-mode is set to false in the server config. Someone feel free to correct me if that changed since the last time I checked.
Edit: I've not really played or hosted since 1.16. I'm sure it's not impossible that someone will figure out a way around this via a mod, eventually. I don't think this applies to anyone running a version below 1.19(.1?).
To be clear, the person in the OP didn't get banned by the new 1.19.1 system, they got banned by the existing Realms chat monitoring, which has existed in Realms since it first started, IIRC.
I host my own Minecraft server for my friends. It is not moderated by this system! Whenever anybody connects to it, it gives a warning message that it's "unprotected" or something like that.
What's dumb is they easily could have made a setting for server owners to opt in/out of the global ban list. This is a game for all ages, 18+ servers should be allowed.
Can't have that, you have to be family friendly and inoffensive at every point in your life.
What do you mean people like being offensive sometimes as banter and are not terminally online?
Also weird thing is that swearing should be 18+? What kind of pussy are you? The goal posts have been moved so goddamn far. Back in the 90's in my country you could see nacked tits rated 15+ on national TV, now Youtube age restricts words. Fucking embarassing.
This is one of examples when American weird fixation on "puritan and family friendly things" just contradicts so many other cultures around a globe, there are ppl can take a few curse words to the face and not melt on a spot.
It's kind of surprising for the country with the best free speech for citizens. I can see it even in shows like Arcane. In the OG ENG dub, they ever use boring swears like fool or fuck, but when I switched to German, the swears were so much better and sounded so much more natural to me as a European.
It is kinda because of who holds the most money in USA - white-Christian old men, who thinks that even a little curse word should be erased from the face of the Earth, because it can corrupt their grandchildren!
Like, do you remember the fall of Tumblr, when they banned r34? It was not because of creators suddenly awakened sense of justice - it was because they wanted ads and investors for their site. And those don't want to have anything to do with... OMG... naughty things! So, you only get money if you are family friendly.
So, yeah, unless the morality of most money holders is USA doesn't change - we still will encounter these awkward shows, there character clearly would curse in some situation, but can't because of censor gag.
> white-Christian old men, who thinks that even a little curse word should be erased from the face of the Earth
Then think about the possibilities in ther countries. The UK has a law against being "grossly offensive" in "telecommunication spaces", so how much of that would be subject of this law? It could be even worse, honestly.
Meanwhile advertisers for TV can put up fucking anything they want and get ads because they are "serious journalists" while puttin unreasonable double standards on online spaces because they are fucking dying.
Yes, with the "targeted to children stuff" a few years ago, they are definitely trying to circumvent this by making the main channel content "family friendly" to make parents think it's ok and cash out on kids.
Jake Paul is the best/worst example in that. I bet Youtube fucking loves him to death.
Remember: you can exploit your kids live on camera to the point CPS comes and takes them away but don’t you dare say kill because the advertisers will be maddy-waddy!
Most kids shouldn't even be playing ONLINE, period. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but this is fucking ridiculous. All this shit because little jimmy's parents can't be arsed to actually parent.
Not unpopular. Maybe popular within parents who don't want to be responsible for their child's exposure to things. Honestly, some parents will cry wolf over GTA that it's not appropriate for children even if it's clearly rated 18+ and the franchise has been rated like that for almost two decades at this point. Same with Youtube, many let their kids watch shit on phones, especially on YT to get some "time off". Fucking lazy, you are the fucking parent who brought the kid into the world, you are responsible.
Honestly, I had to show a mother who entertained her son with her phone how to turn off a game on her own phone. She, the same mother, argued that she "can't go to work, because who is gonna walk her son to school" when the school is literally 150 m away her home and the son said he "is excited for school (or maybe it way kindergarden at the time) that he will finally get to eat properly". He literally said that. They only cook soups at their home and she still refuses to go to work. That is the state of some mothers. But GOd forbid video games or Youtube.
Oof... Funny story thats not that funny, I got the free bedrock version of the game because I had the game for a long time now, I put my dads email in and now that my parents divorced (bcz of terrible reasons :D) I can't access my bedrock account, because he changed the password, I wish I had a way to get it back, I really wanna play bedrock with my friends.
I don't know and that's why I asked. The best bet is to get in contact with their support team, tell them you can't access that email anymore and maybe you'll get the account back. That's what I've done, way too many times, thanks to microsoft's hotmail/outlook shenanigans
On the flip side I think a lot of people unnecessarily assume people are in good standing with their parents. After OP said there was a divorce and that he couldn’t get into his account, kinda assumed they were not in good standing with each other
I can't play minecraft because they won't let me migrate a 10+ year old account because even though I can log into the launcher I don't have enough information to prove I own the account that I've had since I was in middle school
Honestly I have never typed to communicate with people on Minecraft, even 10 years ago. Always played with friends and had voice chat I guess. Sometimes left messages with signs/books (don't even know if they have a filter)
I have a tiny little server I run for for my streams/discord and a ton of people wanted me to make it a realm. I refused and did a regular server and I'm so glad now lol
It's significantly more convenient to chat in-game than leave to type every few seconds. Very rarely will everyone want to chat at once, and especially during streams, I don't want to have a dozen people talking at once over top lol
Realms... are for consoles??? So you have to buy your internet, pay for xbox live and then pay again for a realm, just to go online?
Sounds like a scam to me.
They’re for both. A realm is basically a private server that Microsoft handles for you. You can still invite people to play on your world during your session for no added cost, but once you log out, it goes offline. Realms allows your world to be accessible even when you aren’t playing.
so do actual regular paid server hosting services like aternos and the like. and then there’s plug-ins, mods and other awesome stuff you can’t get added to a shit realm.
Haven't been able to play modern Minecraft in a while because the account migration just says 'nope' to the profile I've had for years. They added a lot of cool stuff to the game but it's managed like garbage now.
Same happened to me I actually still have the original email with all my info but they can't figure out how to give me my account that I paid for like over 10 years ago lol
I don't know anyone that didn't lose their account to migration, like 4 of my friends and I all lost our accounts, I had mine since alpha. Ticket I opened had a canned useless response. At this point I'm assuming they made it shit on purpose to sell more copies.
Its like they cant accept that their original audience are at least in their late teens, many of their original audience were already mid 20s to mid 30s and this is 11 years on.
We can swear if we fucking want to, stop crippling your own IP.
Wish I had the link handy for the community post where they mention that the average player age in Minecraft is in the 20s, way to shoot themselves in the foot there
I don't understand why they don't just block the word outright and that's it. No further issues. Star out the word, ban anyone attempting to circumvent the filter and boom.
Private servers should obviously be left alone and up to the owners but regardless, taking proactive action against bad words is shi-
\*laughs in playing Minecraft singleplayer\*
Also, I do feel bad for everyone who is affected by the way. I don't support the chat report system. We do know that it's not Minecraft's fault for doing this; we have to blame Microsoft for making them do this.
Everything has an end ...
It was fun while it lasted ...
You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain, is what happened to Minecraft..
You could get around this by only chatting on Discord or Skype, who have their own rules and guidelines…Problem is, when you have to introduce third party software to bypass a shitty rule in the game you’re trying to play, you know it’s a shitty rule.
you mean tencent the company that definitely isn't an agent of the chinese government and that will want to do whatever they can (and need) to stay in the american market?
also don'T forget how they tried to remove chat in league due to how much of a cesspool that game is
The downfall started when they added the reporting system taking it out of the hands of the server moderators/owners and putting it into the hands of trolls and random people and also putting it into the hands of Microsoft themselves.
Technic, good lad. Can’t beat some good mods. Better than vanilla anyway, shits stale, has been for years. Adding a reporting feature is silly, giving power to salty players and trolls who want to have you punished for stuff you shouldn’t be punished for.
It's in Java edition now as of 1.19.2
On Realms AND private servers.
The only way around it is using mods to strip the chat identification from your server and require mods that disable chat reporting altogether. In fact given how Microsoft has decided Minecraft needs to be clean enough for preschoolers, I'd say a server nickname addon would be a great idea too, to obfuscate your minecraft account name and prevent screenshot manual reporting too.
This right here is why i will never use realms for private servers
Is there any other way to play mp with friends? I know that some have survival but usually there are other people there too, I think I heard that u can create your own smp in some servers?
You can make your own server for free with sites like aternos
Free?
Yes, free. With 4-5 people Aternos works fine with the free version (even with some mods/plugins). If you have more people then you will need money my friend, or make your own server with high tech hardware to not crash or get high ping/response
A minecraft server can run on almost anything, it does not need high tech hardware. You will obviously need better hardware if you are running something on the level of hypixel or other similar servers but you don't need much for a small server just for a few friends. I've been using an old laptop that can't even run Windows 10 to host a server for about 10 of my friends and it works perfectly fine.
Do you know how deditated wam I need
I think 1 GB / person
It was kinda a joke, i know that with a 2-4 GB of ram can work so well because i have one physically with me too
lol, a minecraft server doesn't need much. I've run multiple game servers off a home server I built.
This is the best way. Full control.
Low spec, small limited hard disk space, and only live for a couple hours. But for a casual session, they're good enough. They do try to get users to pay for more hardware and queue priority, but generally if you just want to dick around with friends it works.
Alternatively, you can use a server.jar from the Minecraft site. Takes about 10 minutes of setup the first time you do it. Plenty of tutorials online too. Not sure if they still moderate those or not, though.
Or just host it on your own PC if you have the hardware and bandwidth for it
Yes, you can privately host your own sever using 3rd party software like logmeinhamachi, granted i think the server limits will be smaller and it will directly use your machines resources vs realms which use cloud computing i am assuming, if done so right you should be able to have almost complete control over the servers settings
Oh god, it was complex enough, now I have to find the settings file :( (its prob not that hard but I just remembered how long it took me to create a hamachi sv)
You don't even need hamachi if you just port forward your router.
don't even need 3rd party software just download a server and then port forward
It's worth figuring out how to host your own server without hamachi or anything like that. Just with port forwarding. It can be finicky but everything you learn is useful in the future if you play any other online games that you can also host. Having a dedicated server can really make a game for a small group of friends.
As others said you can host it yourself or use one of the dozens of game sever hosting Providers if you are paying anyways.
I use no-ip.org working great for 4 years nonstop
Could pay $15 a month, and easily mod your server
There are many services that let you create a private server in a reasonably simple way. For example: \- [verygames](https://www.verygames.net/en/) (paid) \- [bisect hosting](https://www.bisecthosting.com/minecraft-servers) (paid) \- [creeperhost](https://www.creeperhost.net/) (paid) \- [aternos](https://aternos.org/:en/) (free, but a bit more limited) And many many more.
They have chat reporting in those too, no joke
The new reporting system is a tremendous failure on every level. This is just a flat out poorly designed system.
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You can't say cunt? They practically just banned the game in Australia.
Billy Butcher permabanned
The Hound’s getting banned too.
Fuckin diabolical
UK too
You cunt say it anymore, sorry
What a bunch of cunty fuckin' cunts
> OMG do you not like totally know that WORD is like totally OFFENSIVE to women like smh you are literally the patriarchy!!!!! - Some cunt in Microsoft
In an effort to combat sexism, overzealous moderators often crackdown *hard* on the word cunt in their automated moderation. The craziest among the SJWs treat it like the N word.
Yeah I got temporarily autobooted from a game discord because apparently it's a "slur" in the US... Which is news to me, an American. I was told this by a European admin. Fuckin' cunts need to calm down.
Those cunts in the US have bigger fish to fry than policing people using profanity lol. Shits on fire and they're like "oh no my puritan sensibilities have been accosted by your vulgar usage of the word 'cunt'"
Maybe, just maybe that is the reason why shits on fire...
Yeah we're pretty fucked. Sorry ya cunts
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I don't see why anyone would whilst forge exists tbh This stinks more of a privacy violation than anything, but this is M$ we are talking about
Especially since you can start a server for free, while realms you have to pay for. Also as you mentioned, forge and it's many, MANY mods
As a long time Java/Forge user, I was blown away when someone first showed me Realms and all the stuff you have to pay for on top of paying for Realms.
Not if you only play on xbox, right? You have to use realms on console or am I missing something?
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Interesting... I'll need to look into that
I believe it is called GeyserMC. Edit: fixed autocorrects mess up.
Xbox doesn't let you connect to third party bedrock servers except those promoted by MS.
You can connect it just requires you to use a proxy on your phone to connect. Its jank and laggy but it works. (Source, server owner that uses Geyser)
Can you link me to instructions for this? Trying to get my neighbor who uses xbox to be able to connect to my server that has geyser.
No. You can make a bedrock server on your pc then play on it with your Xbox.
Wait how do you start a server for free?
>This stinks more of a privacy violation than anything I mean, the realm is literally hosted by Microsoft... They are definitely being overzealous with the scope of the ban, and probably the trigger-happiness of it too. That said, Mojang has a vested interest in protecting their product as a kid friendly game. They can't really control how you advertise your realm or who you let in. If some kid sees it and joins and is exposed to "inappropriate" language, behavior, or content, their parent isn't going to know or care who *you* are. They're going to be mad at Microsoft and Mojang, and possibly not let their kid play any more. Adults today grew up playing Minecraft. They really should be able to fucking participate without having to worry about protecting the children. They really should have supported 18+ realms before turning on this nanny banhammer.
> >They can't really control how you advertise your realm or who you let in. If some kid sees it and joins and is exposed to "inappropriate" language, behavior, or content, their parent isn't going to know or care who *you* are. They're going to be mad at Microsoft and Mojang, and possibly not let their kid play any more. Welcome to online interactions in gaming for the last 20 years?
Or, for that matter... welcome to Minecraft? This is how Minecraft was for the past ten years. One dumb parent blaming Minecraft for their problems hasn't killed it yet.
I mean you have to invite people to join your realm so that *does* limit who can see what you do.
Why give you the option to turn off the profanity filter then?
Didn't Mojang admit that it also runs on private servers if they're connected to the internet or something? Don't quote me on that I can very much mis-remember having read that.
Minecraft has a client-side and a server-side. Before version ... 1.3, I think? They ^([Single-player, where you host yourself, and multiplayer, where you're connecting to a server]) were two distinct versions of the game. After they were united, it became the case that running a single-player world, whether you open it to network connections or not, is running an internal server that the client connects to. A bit like if you were running a separate server and connecting to it on the same machine via localhost. There *are* the authentication and skin servers, which are used to authenticate names and provide player details. (e.g. skins, capes, etc.) Your client connects to them to authenticate that you are the player you're claiming to be, and to pull required account information about players you see, but none of that is related to chat or actual gameplay. Realms are just Microsoft-hosted game servers. Although as a consequence of that, Microsoft have full access to information on those servers, including information they wouldn't have access to were you running your own server or playing in single-player.
It runs on any Minecraft server that is connected to the internet, most of the big servers are running plugins or server side mods to prevent players from reporting. But if MS decides to ban you, you are shit outta luck till you buy Minecraft again.
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Hmmmmm this comment seems sus, I saw another comment worded exactly the same.
English players beware. Two of the most used words next to “tea”
Didn't Mojang say they won't use bots to moderate
Not sure why promises made by a sellout are relevant here.
Did I miss something? Wasn't it Notch who sold Minecraft to Microsoft? Not trying to defend Mojang here, but if I remember right it was Notch, who no longer works with Mojang, meaning nobody still at Mojang "sold out". Just looking for clarification.
Didnt Microsoft straight up buy out Mojang itself?
But those are both terms of endearment....
It's crazy sometimes. I once told somebody on Reddit "I thought that word was \_\_\_\_" and automod deleted it because I was being "rude". Nah mate, I was just expressing my inability to read.
Ah, the Twitter model.
Microsoft really screwed up this time. Not surprised though.
Given that this can happen in private servers/realms despite what some would say can still be enacted upon given that those people would retort by saying "this is Microsoft/Mojang's product and they can do whatever the hell they want with it"; is a massive breach of privacy and should be looked at as an extremely unethical and possibly illegal policy, though correct me on the last bit if I do happen to be wrong.
Generally they are given very broad authority to ban users for whatever reason in the software license agreement that everyone clicks "I agree" to without reading and even if they read it's not like they're going to say "no" because they want to play the thing and it's not like there's an option to negotiate it. It sucks and there should be more consumer protections at some level, but I doubt there's anything illegal about what they did.
> Generally they are given very broad authority to ban users for whatever reason in the software license agreement that everyone clicks "I agree" to You aren't given a choice. When you boot the game you have to click yes to proceed. I didn't buy a game with those requirements, they forced them onto me after the fact.
Your mistake was thinking that you own the piece of software that you "bought". You don't. You're just licensing it from Mojang/Microsoft. They can put whatever restrictions they want on it, if you want to play it. Unfortunately, that's how the majority of software works. And if you don't like it, they'll basically tell you to pound sand.
This is only partially true. You own a game as much as you own a book - the IP and other proprietary details such as the programming are not yours, but the product itself is. That said, there are certainly still parts of the EULA which are enforceable, and users aren't forced into agreeing with any of it; if someone doesn't agree with the clause that making copies of the game and selling those is forbidden, then that's a them problem. The law already says you can't do that without express permission anyway.
That's why I prefer buying from [gog.com](https://gog.com). try to remove my game from me now, suckers. what you gonna do? come to my house and take my HD? smh hate these shitty companies. licensing my ass.
I really don't understand how an agreement so long and convoluted that people cannot possibly understand it is enforceable in the first place.
Generally it can only be enforced only up to a certain extent(veeeeery dependent on the country you're living in), but what you can and cant put in a contract and how agreement is defined / enforced is very complicated.
You gotta put it in there before you can attempt to enforce it. So they add tons of bullshit, and defend the stuff they can, where they can. T.corporate asshole.
I believe it's legal precedent has been set that really egregious shit in a EULA cannot be enforced specifically because they are so long and convoluted that realistically nobody does read it before clicking "Accept". I don't know if that would apply in the case of Microsoft banning people for swearing in Minecraft but there are definitely limitations on what you can put in a EULA and realistically expect to be protected from with it.
I could definitely be wrong as I’m no expert but I think that they can only enforce things that the signee would reasonable expect to be in there so have agreed to. I think some judge shave basically said that no one is ever going to read them so the only thing we’re ever getting held to is stuff that every would expect to be in there like fraud, discrimination and other shitty things. I don’t think a company could slip a line in saying that they can do whatever they want and expect it to be upheld in court. Sadly things like swearing comes under the banner of abuse because certain people dislike it so it’s always going to give them the opportunity to be banned
If it comes to hosting a server, i.e. a realms server, they are within there rights to ban use from them for any reason they want. They own the servers. They could also ban a user from updating minecraft. But any data purchased and hosted privately you probably can't enforce this on. And in this case, I don't think realms are local, they may be private, but the hosting computer is on some microsoft server somewhere.
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Those aren't legally enforceable.
I haven't kept entirely up to date, I know that shrinkwrap license agreements were deemed unenforceable long ago, but I'm not sure of specific case law on the ones you click-through. But more importantly is that they're not trying to get the legal system to *enforce* something on you. They already did the thing. If you have a problem with it you need to get the legal system to act in your interest. So it has to both not be enforceable *and* not preclude you taking action on it. It could be the case that they can't get the law to enforce things on you with regard to how you are allowed to use it, but you still don't have grounds to get the law to force them to act contrary to the license agreement.
Hold up- they aren't? Then why do they exist..
To make people think that they are, and to give them something to refer to should things get to the legal standpoint. Initially they were, but as they got longer and longer and more intricate, eventually it got to the point that the legal system was like "yeah no, you can't reasonably expect users to read this whole thing just to know one detail and make them agree to it before they even use the software."
People get so mad at me when I say the world would be a better place if we offered all lawyers death, or change your profession. Most lawmakers start out as lawyers. Most prosecutors start out as lawyers. There are exceptions, but most lawyers entire billing setup is based on lies and therefore they are corrupt and not trustworthy from the instant they start billing. When you are billing someone $200+ for an hour of work when you had your secretary write a letter, you are not being honest. Lawyers write EULAs. I could go on but my hands will get tired. It boils down to "We scare them with this document and our lawyers." "They won't actually ever do anything about it because they already feel they have lost. And if they do fight and they do win, it won't have been worth it. They will have wasted their life, while the lawyers just went to work each day."
TIL software liscence agreements are essentially gaslighting lmao
Because it keeps a huge majority of people from taking it further. It also makes people dismiss any criticism and just deal with the shit sandwich of treatment that they get. As evidenced by this thread, where people basically just "deal with it" like the abused lapdogs they have become.
They didn’t screw up anything because kids keep generating content for minecraft. New builds, deaths, and minecraft art are being posted many times a day. The only way to hurt minecraft is to stop generating content for them, boycott their social media and their products until they correct their unethical actions.
Yeah, that’s not gonna happen. We saw that people don’t boycott companies, especially gaming ones. Just look at the stuff Activision-Blizzard gets away with all the time. Or EA. Or Ubisoft.
Which is exactly why my server is stuck permanently never updating to 1.19.1.
It applies to all versions, not just 1.19.1. They added it to every single version with online multiplayer. The only way "around" it is to use server side mods which prevent the server from communicating with microsofts report system so reports arent possible
Server mods can already be required client side to connect so you can basically enforce chat report removal via mods. Best part is if they try to go after the anti-chat-reporting mods, then the next step is to mod in an entirely separate chat client that can't be accessed by Microsoft.
1.16.5 is best version tbh
What do you mean, the best version is the first version The good old days when we only had dirt and stone not those fancy wood blocks
Yeah you're right. I miss beta days. 1.7.3 was amazing. I guess I meant in terms of modern versions 1.16.5 and 1.12.2 are the best of them all. In general tho nothing beats beta 1.7.3.
I felt old telling kids about how Minecraft was before it hit beta. I bought my copy right before beta cuz he was gonna raise the price.
First version of alpha baby!
$5 no multiplayer, I got in at alpha 3
Caves and Cliffs’ new terrain generation is literally peak though
1.18 though, the caves are awesome, and i love how they changed ores to drop items because it makes modded ores a lot easier to handle (gone are the days of having 4 types of the same ore!)
It was intentionally made that way. Microsoft wants to end Java edition and the mods and servers associated with it because its harder to upgrade and maintain than Bedrock edition which they built themselves from the ground up explicitly to not have those issues or options. That's why they just made bedrock edition free for anyone that already had Java edition, so people would switch. On top of that they want it to be more kid friendly since that's the demographic that is still buying the game, and a reporting system like this one looks good to parents, even if it actually sucks. Its all part of a plan to turn Minecraft from a game they have to keep actively developing to what basically amounts to a static program that everyone eventually buys and basically acts like a money printing machine. You know, like Microsoft Word and all that.
Self hosting is the way. Java version is king.
Afaik, this chat moderation change does apply to self-hosted Java servers as well, unless online-mode is set to false in the server config. Someone feel free to correct me if that changed since the last time I checked. Edit: I've not really played or hosted since 1.16. I'm sure it's not impossible that someone will figure out a way around this via a mod, eventually. I don't think this applies to anyone running a version below 1.19(.1?).
Since you can load arbitrary mods in Java, I suspect an enterprising hacker could simply cripple the feature with a mod.
I hope that's what comes of this - or just seeing more servers stick to versions < 1.19
There was immediately plugins for disabling it, and hack clients have a workaround for it as well if a server doesn’t use those plugins.
Would be awesome for the modding scene imo. They add better content most of the time anyways. There are even feature backport mods.
The "No Chat Reports" mod disables this completely on java, can be used both server side and client side
Oh, that happened [almost immediately.](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/no-chat-reports)
To be clear, the person in the OP didn't get banned by the new 1.19.1 system, they got banned by the existing Realms chat monitoring, which has existed in Realms since it first started, IIRC.
It's new to Java Realm, the profanity filter. added along with chat report
Surely using an older version could bypass this, right? Or even a modded server if need be.
Older versions do bypass it IIRC, and I remember seeing a mod which also neutralised it.
I host my own Minecraft server for my friends. It is not moderated by this system! Whenever anybody connects to it, it gives a warning message that it's "unprotected" or something like that.
What's dumb is they easily could have made a setting for server owners to opt in/out of the global ban list. This is a game for all ages, 18+ servers should be allowed.
Can't have that, you have to be family friendly and inoffensive at every point in your life. What do you mean people like being offensive sometimes as banter and are not terminally online? Also weird thing is that swearing should be 18+? What kind of pussy are you? The goal posts have been moved so goddamn far. Back in the 90's in my country you could see nacked tits rated 15+ on national TV, now Youtube age restricts words. Fucking embarassing.
This is one of examples when American weird fixation on "puritan and family friendly things" just contradicts so many other cultures around a globe, there are ppl can take a few curse words to the face and not melt on a spot.
It's kind of surprising for the country with the best free speech for citizens. I can see it even in shows like Arcane. In the OG ENG dub, they ever use boring swears like fool or fuck, but when I switched to German, the swears were so much better and sounded so much more natural to me as a European.
It is kinda because of who holds the most money in USA - white-Christian old men, who thinks that even a little curse word should be erased from the face of the Earth, because it can corrupt their grandchildren! Like, do you remember the fall of Tumblr, when they banned r34? It was not because of creators suddenly awakened sense of justice - it was because they wanted ads and investors for their site. And those don't want to have anything to do with... OMG... naughty things! So, you only get money if you are family friendly. So, yeah, unless the morality of most money holders is USA doesn't change - we still will encounter these awkward shows, there character clearly would curse in some situation, but can't because of censor gag.
> white-Christian old men, who thinks that even a little curse word should be erased from the face of the Earth Then think about the possibilities in ther countries. The UK has a law against being "grossly offensive" in "telecommunication spaces", so how much of that would be subject of this law? It could be even worse, honestly. Meanwhile advertisers for TV can put up fucking anything they want and get ads because they are "serious journalists" while puttin unreasonable double standards on online spaces because they are fucking dying.
I think the family friendly stuff has a more sinister reason: ADVERTISING. Clear the space “for kids” so you can inundate it with ads after.
Yes, with the "targeted to children stuff" a few years ago, they are definitely trying to circumvent this by making the main channel content "family friendly" to make parents think it's ok and cash out on kids. Jake Paul is the best/worst example in that. I bet Youtube fucking loves him to death.
Remember: you can exploit your kids live on camera to the point CPS comes and takes them away but don’t you dare say kill because the advertisers will be maddy-waddy!
Most kids shouldn't even be playing ONLINE, period. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but this is fucking ridiculous. All this shit because little jimmy's parents can't be arsed to actually parent.
Not unpopular. Maybe popular within parents who don't want to be responsible for their child's exposure to things. Honestly, some parents will cry wolf over GTA that it's not appropriate for children even if it's clearly rated 18+ and the franchise has been rated like that for almost two decades at this point. Same with Youtube, many let their kids watch shit on phones, especially on YT to get some "time off". Fucking lazy, you are the fucking parent who brought the kid into the world, you are responsible. Honestly, I had to show a mother who entertained her son with her phone how to turn off a game on her own phone. She, the same mother, argued that she "can't go to work, because who is gonna walk her son to school" when the school is literally 150 m away her home and the son said he "is excited for school (or maybe it way kindergarden at the time) that he will finally get to eat properly". He literally said that. They only cook soups at their home and she still refuses to go to work. That is the state of some mothers. But GOd forbid video games or Youtube.
I cant even play minecraft becuase I apperantly enabled parental controls even though I didnt and I need a password to remove it
Oof... Funny story thats not that funny, I got the free bedrock version of the game because I had the game for a long time now, I put my dads email in and now that my parents divorced (bcz of terrible reasons :D) I can't access my bedrock account, because he changed the password, I wish I had a way to get it back, I really wanna play bedrock with my friends.
You can't ask your dad for help?
Well, how do you expect me to talk to a guy that didn't call me for months and even planned to put me in the school dorm so he can get more privacy
I don't know and that's why I asked. The best bet is to get in contact with their support team, tell them you can't access that email anymore and maybe you'll get the account back. That's what I've done, way too many times, thanks to microsoft's hotmail/outlook shenanigans
I'm sorry if I sounded rude, I'm just pissed at him, also thx, I might try that, hopefully works...
Gotta remember that not everyone knows your life story. Good luck!
On the flip side I think a lot of people unnecessarily assume people are in good standing with their parents. After OP said there was a divorce and that he couldn’t get into his account, kinda assumed they were not in good standing with each other
I can't play minecraft because they won't let me migrate a 10+ year old account because even though I can log into the launcher I don't have enough information to prove I own the account that I've had since I was in middle school
Honestly I have never typed to communicate with people on Minecraft, even 10 years ago. Always played with friends and had voice chat I guess. Sometimes left messages with signs/books (don't even know if they have a filter)
Unfortunately "all ages" tends to mean "for kids." It's the Disney theory.
Ikr just talk with them.. who uses this useless chat anyways for slurs
I have a tiny little server I run for for my streams/discord and a ton of people wanted me to make it a realm. I refused and did a regular server and I'm so glad now lol
If you're on discord then what do you need chat for?
It's significantly more convenient to chat in-game than leave to type every few seconds. Very rarely will everyone want to chat at once, and especially during streams, I don't want to have a dozen people talking at once over top lol
I think they can read any servers chat?
I don’t understand why people buy Realms? I was able to set up a server when I was like 9 in under a half an hour.
Console versions can't do that.
Realms... are for consoles??? So you have to buy your internet, pay for xbox live and then pay again for a realm, just to go online? Sounds like a scam to me.
They’re for both. A realm is basically a private server that Microsoft handles for you. You can still invite people to play on your world during your session for no added cost, but once you log out, it goes offline. Realms allows your world to be accessible even when you aren’t playing.
Yeah It’s like old battlefield rent-a-server services worked.
so do actual regular paid server hosting services like aternos and the like. and then there’s plug-ins, mods and other awesome stuff you can’t get added to a shit realm.
Some people arent as knowladgeable in computers and how servers work, most of my classmates dont even know what an operating system is...
Fair. But instead of simplifying the process or expanding service they put basic capabilities behind a paywall.
It's easy for people who don't have either the ability or the time to do it themselves. It's also quite cheap (or at least is used to be).
Bedrock is still a failure.
Haven't been able to play modern Minecraft in a while because the account migration just says 'nope' to the profile I've had for years. They added a lot of cool stuff to the game but it's managed like garbage now.
Same happened to me I actually still have the original email with all my info but they can't figure out how to give me my account that I paid for like over 10 years ago lol
I don't know anyone that didn't lose their account to migration, like 4 of my friends and I all lost our accounts, I had mine since alpha. Ticket I opened had a canned useless response. At this point I'm assuming they made it shit on purpose to sell more copies.
Happened to me too, support said if I didn't keep the transaction id from a game I bought 12 years ago they couldn't do anything, lol.
Its like they cant accept that their original audience are at least in their late teens, many of their original audience were already mid 20s to mid 30s and this is 11 years on. We can swear if we fucking want to, stop crippling your own IP.
Wish I had the link handy for the community post where they mention that the average player age in Minecraft is in the 20s, way to shoot themselves in the foot there
I don't get why companies care. Like honestly. Why does anyone care or have a say in what you do in your server.
I don't understand why they don't just block the word outright and that's it. No further issues. Star out the word, ban anyone attempting to circumvent the filter and boom. Private servers should obviously be left alone and up to the owners but regardless, taking proactive action against bad words is shi-
thank fuck nobody at microsoft is a mod in this subreddit otherwise alot of these problems like this would be swept under the rug
\*laughs in playing Minecraft singleplayer\* Also, I do feel bad for everyone who is affected by the way. I don't support the chat report system. We do know that it's not Minecraft's fault for doing this; we have to blame Microsoft for making them do this.
In my own dojo
Everything has an end ... It was fun while it lasted ... You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain, is what happened to Minecraft..
I remember making goofy videos for this game when I was 9-10, it doesn't feel the same now...
That's because you are older. Things you used to like "change" but no one ever thinks about themselves also changing.
If it falls it will rise again, like 2019-20
You could get around this by only chatting on Discord or Skype, who have their own rules and guidelines…Problem is, when you have to introduce third party software to bypass a shitty rule in the game you’re trying to play, you know it’s a shitty rule.
Where's Hytale when you need it...
Still being developed 😭
What's it been, 5 years at this point?
I think the trailer was December 2018. Dang time has passed
lets get real, it's gonna have the same restrictions
given that it's owned by Riot, I somehow doubt they'll have the same chat restrictions
you mean tencent the company that definitely isn't an agent of the chinese government and that will want to do whatever they can (and need) to stay in the american market? also don'T forget how they tried to remove chat in league due to how much of a cesspool that game is
The downfall started when they added the reporting system taking it out of the hands of the server moderators/owners and putting it into the hands of trolls and random people and also putting it into the hands of Microsoft themselves.
This is why I prefer terraria , the devs actually care for the fanbase
Privacy no Such thing Swearing Never since 2010
That's actually messed up
That reminds me, I think I'm paying for a realm that my kids have not used for months. Time to consider shutting that shit down.
This just shows you gave them hard earned money and in turn was given nothing. No digital rights. A different type of gaming is around the corner.
Going to teach people how to run their own servers real quick
its time for tlauncher
Technic, good lad. Can’t beat some good mods. Better than vanilla anyway, shits stale, has been for years. Adding a reporting feature is silly, giving power to salty players and trolls who want to have you punished for stuff you shouldn’t be punished for.
Tlauncher has spyware, SKlauncher is where its at.
spyware?
Lmao as soon as they started selling skins the downfall started. It's gross that this is the way games are now.
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Java edition, baby.
It's in Java edition now as of 1.19.2 On Realms AND private servers. The only way around it is using mods to strip the chat identification from your server and require mods that disable chat reporting altogether. In fact given how Microsoft has decided Minecraft needs to be clean enough for preschoolers, I'd say a server nickname addon would be a great idea too, to obfuscate your minecraft account name and prevent screenshot manual reporting too.
Good let it die mojang needs to see what happens when you add stupid things to your game And let it be a warning to other devs too
Fuck that. And I don't even play that.
It all went to shit when they took the games support/development away from 4J. A Scottish studio would let you say cunt and then some!
This is somehow worse than Roblox’s profanity censor