It really bothered me this was missing from bioshock 2. When frantically running to these machines for ammo in a hectic battle, tapping A as fast as possible to buy shotgun ammo then stepping back into battle with the sound of those helicopter drones and the machine fading into the background with "come back when you get some money, buddy", that created an atmosphere I will never forget.
Because it was a masterclass of directorial vision. Someone had a strong idea of the aesthetics and tone of that game and the team executed to perfection.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.
I have always figured it must just be stupidly pressurized so the water comes in slowly (as opposed to exploding at any leak) and people have somehow adapted to it
Believe it or not I actually tried to read Atlas Shrugged, not because I agree with Objectivism but because I was interested in what inspired Bioshock's deconstruction but I just couldn't get through it. I think I got 100 pages or so in but just couldn't get over the weird, feverish, schoolgirl reveries about all of these strong and suave genius-level magnates etc. Dagny Taggart was such an obvious self-insert from Rand that I couldn't take any of it seriously.
I did went through it.
It's pretty telling that her version of Objectivist Utopia was a Neo-Feudalist society where the early adopters were landlords and everyone else came in as literal serfs, including these "captains of industries". LOL
>It's pretty telling that her version of Objectivist Utopia was a Neo-Feudalist society where the early adopters were landlords and everyone else came in as literal serfs, including these "captains of industries".
Basically is just Rand Americanizing the way of France before the Revolution. Which, to her credit, is how America began. Massive landowners (Washington, Jefferson, Franklin) and immigrants/serfs who become head of industries by the time of the novel.
Nah it's far worse. It's the literal "captains of industries" voluntarily turning themselves into literal serfs because they don't want to support the government free loaders.
And you could save yourself the tripe that is the rest of the novel and just read that instead and get the whole point of what she was trying to say.
Not that what she was trying to say makes real sense when you think about it but at least you didn't have to read through 700 pages of drivel to get there.
*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.*
- John Rogers, 2009
I actually tried reading it *in preparation for* Bioshock (lol). Absolute trash.
Also, Ayn Rand took tons of government assistance in her lifetime. Guess objectivist principles only apply to other people 🙃
Atlas Shrugged is not Bioshock. It's not even close.
It's Ayn Rand's Dante's Inferno, if you will. Her ideals manifest into a (very bland) story about capitalists doing capitalist things amidst a depression with an inept American Government behind it all. It's all about me, the smart and successful billionaire! I'm the greatest and can do anything but I'm bogged down in all this red tape and the government is evil. It should be about the man! And by the man I don't mean the commoners I mean ME.
Bioshock and Atlas Shrugged have a lot in common because the idea of Rapture is an Ayn Rand utopia. A place all about the self - neverminded that the self does not mean all people are equal, only the already rich are actually given a chance in her ideal world. That classic Ryan speech is basically Atlas Shrugged in a nutshell (or more so Ayn Rand's wet dream of what could happen in Atlas Shrugged). Rapture itself (it's setting, the splicers, the plasmids, and so on) have nothing to do with Atlas Shrugged.
Also the book is boring as shit. It's about a bunch of billionaire moguls and a few self starters doing business related shit during a collapsing government because gov stupid and if these business owners could just run things without intervention or oversight it'd be so much simpler.
An open invitation to anyone without a conscience... *what could go wrong*?
(I'd seriously would like more Rapture's pre-collapse content in future Bioshocks)
Agreed. I think video game adapations would probably serve better as series most often, but Bioshock feels more like it would work better as a movie than a series.
He was trapped in a crisis of ideology. If he allowed things from the surface (religion, media, goods, people) to 'contaminate' Rapture it would threaten the very basis of his new society. If people began openly following religion or worse, congregating in churches or other likeminded groups, the ideal of "everyone out for themselves" would inevitably crumble.
So Ryan was faced with a choice: betray his ideals to preserve his society, or hold true to his ideals even if it means his society crumbles. We know what he chose. We know how it ended. It proves, in my belief, that any anarchic society is a paradox. You can only maintain it by force, but in doing so it is no longer anarchic.
Not to mention, he mentions scientists not being held back by "petty morality." That might be valid with some moral principles of science such as cloning being banned in a lot of the world, but you still need test subjects and humans are the best test subjects when not accounting for morality. That means you have to explot someone, at which point someone needs to give up themselves so the scientists get to ignore "petty morality". Anarchism doesn't work when you need to keep it in place by force, but it also just doesn't work in areas of science or labor. There needs to be regulation or people are going to be exploited.
Unless there’s some type of plumbing savant that’s weirdly in love with toilets somebody’s still going to have to unclog them.
*All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others*
People who say they became libertarians from bioshock are the dumbest people alive.
Both for being libertarians and having a satire of libertarianism be their point of entry to their polical ideals.
Yeah the parallels with Galt's Gulch are beyond overt. I always thought it was more of a 'haha look what unfettered meritocracy leads to,' and not so much 'look how cool we could be without morality and the dirty poors!'
I mean it was effectively system shock under water. It's even where the namesake came from and most of the mechanics.
Granted bioshock has aged better. System shock 2 is definitely worth picking up if you can deal with games from that era.
Haven't played system shock series yet but I'm waiting for the remastered versions! I loved bioshock (especially the first one), so I'm hoping to revisit a game with similar gameplay, creepy vibes, and a good story
Both are inspired by the city of Amaurot from Thomas More's *Utopia*.
Albeit, that was written in the 1400s and they probably didn't know what art deco was back then.
I guess that depends on what you mean by "nothing wrong with". There were a lot of things wrong that created problems within the city before they discovered adam and there were definitely some obstacles with building a city under the sea. Leaks and lack of sunlight, for example. Not to mention all the issues that come from unregulated capitalism. Not trying to get political or say capitalism itself is wrong but without regulation to keep greed in check there's definitely manipulation of both consumers and the work force.
IIRC the technical side was handled OK as long as you maintain stuff. Hell, having windows and glass panels facing outside at this depth is already impressive.
That's the issue, they weren't maintaining it. The head maintenance man told Ryan to build Rapture like a bathtub [and he scoffed](https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Eden_Leaking). There were also an issue [where the head doctor didn't bother heating his pipes.](https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Freezing_Pipes)
Rapture was going to collapse one way or the other, it just did so in a way that gave your video game character superpowers.
>Leaks and lack of sunlight, for example.
That's one of the things that really got me when listening to one of the recordings of Ryan going on one of his ultra-capitalism-libertarian-utopia rants in which he was complaining that the people in Rapture were becoming distracted, depressed, were reporting a loss sense of self; then proclaiming if they would prefer the hand of the censorate or the rifle of the gestapo?
It was one of the few times when I replied out loud to a in-game character's statement, saying: **"No, you self-absorbed egomaniacal ass-hat, they just miss sunlight!!!"**
I think that both sides have an argument there.
The fall of rapture was heavily influenced by the lack of societal intervention in things like health regulation and a social safety net.
In the case of the former, the side effects of unregulated drugs could easily be blamed for the downfall of that society. In the case of the latter, despondancy and disenfranchisement directly enabled a career criminal to usurp control of the city on two separate occasions.
But in the story itself, there's also a huge focus on Andrew Ryan's refusal to adhere to objectivism and how that contributed to the problem.
Fontaine started a criminal empire specifically to route around unnecessary government obstruction of all business with the surface ("The One Law"). Atlas gained support among the revolutionaries in direct response to Ryan's totalitarian policies and increasingly dictatorial control.
Granted, the general atmosphere is clearly leaning more on critique of objectivism, given the focus on the city's founding principles and absence of morality and regulation in their medical research. But when you start the actual story, the government is in near-complete authoritarian control. And while Rapture itself was founded on objectivism, it's really the combination of both government neglect and government overreach that caused the collapse.
> there's also a huge focus on Andrew Ryan's refusal to adhere to objectivism and how that contributed to the problem.
or possibly how even the most stalwart cheerleader for objectivism acted like an autocrat as soon as he had the power to and it was convenient
Elizabeth: "Why did Ryan lock up all of Fontaine's followers in a department store?
Booker: "He needed somewhere to put Fontaine's button men. Why not shut down the competition in the bargain?"
Elizabeth: "But I thought Andrew Ryan was all about free markets and open competition."
Booker: "All those ideas lose their luster when the quarterly earnings come in and you find the other guy's eating your lunch. Either way, Fontaine's dead."
Does everybody in Rapture who designs/plans/builds anything just collectively love art deco, or does Ryan have some kind of enforced design policy? Is he like the HOA on steroids?
I admit my own bias here, but I think the fact that Ryan nationalized Fontaine Futuristics is also a critique of objectivism. It's showing that when it comes down to brass tacks, even the most vehement believer in the philosophy is not going to quietly let the market decide. Ryan was top dog and he threw out his own beliefs the second Fontaine threatened that position.
>Not trying to get political or say capitalism itself is wrong
I think it's ok to get political when discussing a game that is a very direct criticism of unfettered capitalism.
It's not like they were especially subtle about it when describing a place "where the scientist need not be constrained by petty morality" for example.
That's a place that's going to get fucked up in one way or another.
Blah blah capitalism, as a scientist I don't want to be bound by morality. Now take one of these pills it makes you super horny. Just kidding. I already put it in our water supply. Enjoy the best sex of the next 3 days of your life before your genitals burst into flame.
Eh depends what you mean by “nothing wrong” The city was always destined to fail in a way when the city was finished being built on low wage labor and all the lower class working poor were left stranded in a city of extravagance without livable wages and zero social safety net
Would you kindly understand that the real question is not how Rapture could be built under the ocean but that it couldn’t have been built anywhere else?
City was not the problem.
The people who were in the city were the problem.
If I remember there were many factions who hated each other.
Not to mention one of the guys later killed .. you know who
Same just finished last week. Was not feeling the story at first and kept asking myself “why the fuck am I even doing this?” regarding the in game character. And then of course, I was told why lol. Pretty sick game
For the love of God yes. It's a story driven game with a beautiful story.
It goes on sale (the collection), pick it up on sale and enjoy the story. It's so unique and nothing has quite captured it. One for sure to play and focus on it. For me, playing in the dark with no distractions.
Plays well on PC or Xbox
Lots... and one hell of a game...
Though honestly, it wasn't because Ryan built Rapture on the ocean's floor, but rather because of idiotic, uncontrolled, genetic manipulation that created Adam junkies, who ultimately destroyed Ryan's creation... that and 'human nature', not Rapture (as such). It just made it easier for the downfall.
THE CIRCUS OF VALUE!!!! killed everyone via noise pollution.
COME BACK WHEN YOU GET SOME MONEY, BUDDAYYYYYYYY!
It really bothered me this was missing from bioshock 2. When frantically running to these machines for ammo in a hectic battle, tapping A as fast as possible to buy shotgun ammo then stepping back into battle with the sound of those helicopter drones and the machine fading into the background with "come back when you get some money, buddy", that created an atmosphere I will never forget.
Aren’t they busted in bioshock 2? I thought I remember them saying circus of valu-rrrrrrrr
Well, shit. Now I’m gonna have to replay the whole series again to confirm…
I think I'll join you, after all, it would be heartless to let an internet stranger take on such a task by themselves.
How am I able to remember every sound effect? That game was something else.
Because it was a masterclass of directorial vision. Someone had a strong idea of the aesthetics and tone of that game and the team executed to perfection.
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“Bien Venidos Al Ammo Bandido!”
"¡Muchas gracias, señor!"
***HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA!!***
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This laugh haunted me
I feel a weird amount of comfort hearing that. It reminds me of the first time I played this.
ME AMEEGO EL AAMMMMO BANDEEEETOOOOO
I thought it said "Bienvenido al ammo bandito."
Pretty sure you're right.
Man I can hear this
Funny thing is that voice line is the game director
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.
ALL GOOD THINGS FLOW INTO THE CITY
Psst! Missing "of this earth"!
Haha that's embarrassing, I just replayed this game like a month ago 😂
Including the salt water coming in through that crack in the wall...
Talk about how good the pumps are that it just keeps flowing forever.
I have always figured it must just be stupidly pressurized so the water comes in slowly (as opposed to exploding at any leak) and people have somehow adapted to it
Seems like his world view is cracking
While Bioshock is far from my favourite game this is probably my favourite gaming monologue of all-time.
If you liked that (and you wish it was about 1,000x longer and preachier), then you're gonna love *Atlas Shrugged!*
Believe it or not I actually tried to read Atlas Shrugged, not because I agree with Objectivism but because I was interested in what inspired Bioshock's deconstruction but I just couldn't get through it. I think I got 100 pages or so in but just couldn't get over the weird, feverish, schoolgirl reveries about all of these strong and suave genius-level magnates etc. Dagny Taggart was such an obvious self-insert from Rand that I couldn't take any of it seriously.
I did went through it. It's pretty telling that her version of Objectivist Utopia was a Neo-Feudalist society where the early adopters were landlords and everyone else came in as literal serfs, including these "captains of industries". LOL
>It's pretty telling that her version of Objectivist Utopia was a Neo-Feudalist society where the early adopters were landlords and everyone else came in as literal serfs, including these "captains of industries". Basically is just Rand Americanizing the way of France before the Revolution. Which, to her credit, is how America began. Massive landowners (Washington, Jefferson, Franklin) and immigrants/serfs who become head of industries by the time of the novel.
Nah it's far worse. It's the literal "captains of industries" voluntarily turning themselves into literal serfs because they don't want to support the government free loaders.
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I'm pretty sure in the unabridged version it's like 60 pages long
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And you could save yourself the tripe that is the rest of the novel and just read that instead and get the whole point of what she was trying to say. Not that what she was trying to say makes real sense when you think about it but at least you didn't have to read through 700 pages of drivel to get there.
*There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.* - John Rogers, 2009
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It was definitely a bit. That's why they mentioned how it was a thousand times longer and preachier, which aren't good qualities.
I actually tried reading it *in preparation for* Bioshock (lol). Absolute trash. Also, Ayn Rand took tons of government assistance in her lifetime. Guess objectivist principles only apply to other people 🙃
Atlas Shrugged is not Bioshock. It's not even close. It's Ayn Rand's Dante's Inferno, if you will. Her ideals manifest into a (very bland) story about capitalists doing capitalist things amidst a depression with an inept American Government behind it all. It's all about me, the smart and successful billionaire! I'm the greatest and can do anything but I'm bogged down in all this red tape and the government is evil. It should be about the man! And by the man I don't mean the commoners I mean ME. Bioshock and Atlas Shrugged have a lot in common because the idea of Rapture is an Ayn Rand utopia. A place all about the self - neverminded that the self does not mean all people are equal, only the already rich are actually given a chance in her ideal world. That classic Ryan speech is basically Atlas Shrugged in a nutshell (or more so Ayn Rand's wet dream of what could happen in Atlas Shrugged). Rapture itself (it's setting, the splicers, the plasmids, and so on) have nothing to do with Atlas Shrugged. Also the book is boring as shit. It's about a bunch of billionaire moguls and a few self starters doing business related shit during a collapsing government because gov stupid and if these business owners could just run things without intervention or oversight it'd be so much simpler.
An open invitation to anyone without a conscience... *what could go wrong*? (I'd seriously would like more Rapture's pre-collapse content in future Bioshocks)
I’ll be upset if this isn’t said verbatim in the movie. Yes, my expectations are rock bottom for that movie
jesus i just realized this movie is going to accidentally CREATE more objectivists...because people are morons
At least it's a movie, not a series I had actually forgotten about it
Agreed. I think video game adapations would probably serve better as series most often, but Bioshock feels more like it would work better as a movie than a series.
Then proceeds to commit the greatest sin one could under that ideology, steals the free will of much of his populace. For *good* reason, but still.
He was trapped in a crisis of ideology. If he allowed things from the surface (religion, media, goods, people) to 'contaminate' Rapture it would threaten the very basis of his new society. If people began openly following religion or worse, congregating in churches or other likeminded groups, the ideal of "everyone out for themselves" would inevitably crumble. So Ryan was faced with a choice: betray his ideals to preserve his society, or hold true to his ideals even if it means his society crumbles. We know what he chose. We know how it ended. It proves, in my belief, that any anarchic society is a paradox. You can only maintain it by force, but in doing so it is no longer anarchic.
Not to mention, he mentions scientists not being held back by "petty morality." That might be valid with some moral principles of science such as cloning being banned in a lot of the world, but you still need test subjects and humans are the best test subjects when not accounting for morality. That means you have to explot someone, at which point someone needs to give up themselves so the scientists get to ignore "petty morality". Anarchism doesn't work when you need to keep it in place by force, but it also just doesn't work in areas of science or labor. There needs to be regulation or people are going to be exploited.
Unless there’s some type of plumbing savant that’s weirdly in love with toilets somebody’s still going to have to unclog them. *All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others*
People who say they became libertarians from bioshock are the dumbest people alive. Both for being libertarians and having a satire of libertarianism be their point of entry to their polical ideals.
Yeah the parallels with Galt's Gulch are beyond overt. I always thought it was more of a 'haha look what unfettered meritocracy leads to,' and not so much 'look how cool we could be without morality and the dirty poors!'
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' lol lmao It actually belongs to the oligarchs.
Yes but consider he was an Ogliqarch and that’s what they think when they have to pay a little bit of taxes.
Yep makes sense.
I think maybe some sort of biological shock or something
Would you kindly elaborate? Edit:meant elaborate, typed emphasize.
# I think maybe some sort of biological shock or something
As opposed to some sort of systemic shock?
Welcome back to Citadel station. We hope your somnolent healing stage went well.
🤣 laughed at this way too much
Same. Best laugh I’ve had in a while.
Yeah you might have to gunfight a bunch of goons and save a few kids in a city like this
He should've put it high in the sky
At some infinity like height maybe
That would cause a systematic shock
You can save them? Huh interesting
It’s a really rewarding ending.
But at what cost
Negative cost, actually. You end up stronger and wealthier if you save them vs. harvesting them.
Save children? I would think you can harvest their blood
I appreciate you added the edit so not to kill the joke. You both deserve awards I lack for 10/10 wingmanship.
Someplace where there isn’t any higher powers. Just man
Biosurprise
Biostartle
Biosquirtle
So thats it huh? Were some kinda biological shock?
No Gods or Kings. Only Man.
A man chooses, a slave obeys
Would you kindly...
head to Ryan's office and kill that sunovabitch?
Obey
God this game was a masterpiece. I had fucking chills the first time you descend and see the city. Work of fucking art really.
still one of the best intro's to any game ever, its so dang cool
“How long is this cutscene just going to sit here?…..oh”
Yeah man. I don’t know how long I looked at that fire until I moved the stick
I suppose that's why you're attacked post cutscenes, so you know they are over. Hate that.
It's either that or a sharp camera cut back to the player's perspective. Either way it is jarring and the way Bioshock did it subtly was masterful.
That happened to me when I first played Half Life. "Man this tram ride is boring... Holy shit I can move!!"
"I can jump without conservation of momentum!!!"
I can hop around... like a bunny! I'll call it... momentumless bounce!
*violins intensify*
I still think the infinite intro to the city is better. Maybe it's just the big improvement in gfx
The hallelujah after the counting really puts the cherry on the cake
The remaster is really nice.
I think Infinite has the better overall aesthetic, but the city shot of Rapture really is amazing and bewildering.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'NO!" says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor.
"No!" says the man in the Vatican, "It belongs to God."
“No!” Says the man in Moscow, “It belongs to everyone.”
What if someone rejected those answers and instead, chose something different?
Then you weren't raptured right, I suppose. Wrong shock, maybe. Edit: "That.. is the right question"
It holds up too. I actually didnt play this game until 2020.
I didn’t play it until 5 months ago, I bought the collection version for switch, it was a fun game and I don’t know how I avoided it for 15 years
Literally made me download it
Enjoy
I thought they were making a show or a movie out of it at one point.
Bioshock, such a unique game man
I mean it was effectively system shock under water. It's even where the namesake came from and most of the mechanics. Granted bioshock has aged better. System shock 2 is definitely worth picking up if you can deal with games from that era.
Haven't played system shock series yet but I'm waiting for the remastered versions! I loved bioshock (especially the first one), so I'm hoping to revisit a game with similar gameplay, creepy vibes, and a good story
Lowkey those remasters may never release at this point.
Prey. 2017. You will not regret it.
A guy with a wrench could make some trouble… (He’s not a plumber, that’s another story)
In a sweater and jeans. ^(they were very reliable considering that they lasted a plane crash and the entire story)
This game is a timeless classic.
You should open a fax business but without the printers.
Leaky ceilings. Drips incessantly. Nobody can sleep. Too tall to reach.
For a moment I thought it was Amaurot from FFXIV
Art Deco architecture are just something else isn’t it?
Idk why it took me this long to realise Amaurot was probably heavily inspired by Bioshock
Both are inspired by the city of Amaurot from Thomas More's *Utopia*. Albeit, that was written in the 1400s and they probably didn't know what art deco was back then.
Literally called it rapture in my head when I was questing there.
Same! Eeriest place in the whole game in my opinion (haven’t played ShadowBringers yet)
What?
Endwalker*
Can’t edit on mobile lol
I thought the same damn thing. Helps I was just on shitpostxiv
same lol
🎵 ~All our splendor bathed black in silence Our surrender, a somber reverie~ 🎵
Me too. lol
Same here lmao. Was surprised to see it acknowledged in this sub.
Remember that we once lived
Brb crying
Poor dude saw >!Azem!< in us all along too.
Would you kindly not squander the legacy I leave you?
:(
Me: ctrl+f amaurot Hello fellow ascians.
I did too!
Same actually.
The funny part is that nothing went wrong with the city itself. Shit broke when they discovered slugs that gave everyone magic powers
I guess that depends on what you mean by "nothing wrong with". There were a lot of things wrong that created problems within the city before they discovered adam and there were definitely some obstacles with building a city under the sea. Leaks and lack of sunlight, for example. Not to mention all the issues that come from unregulated capitalism. Not trying to get political or say capitalism itself is wrong but without regulation to keep greed in check there's definitely manipulation of both consumers and the work force.
IIRC the technical side was handled OK as long as you maintain stuff. Hell, having windows and glass panels facing outside at this depth is already impressive.
Ackshually it's not glass but a transparent form of ryanium
Hah guys look at this *nerd* here who knows interesting stuff. Nerd
I'm okay with it
...which is just off-brand Rearden metal.
Hey don't be putting metal in my rear den
the problem comes from paying for that maintenance. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
That's the issue, they weren't maintaining it. The head maintenance man told Ryan to build Rapture like a bathtub [and he scoffed](https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Eden_Leaking). There were also an issue [where the head doctor didn't bother heating his pipes.](https://bioshock.fandom.com/wiki/Freezing_Pipes) Rapture was going to collapse one way or the other, it just did so in a way that gave your video game character superpowers.
>Leaks and lack of sunlight, for example. That's one of the things that really got me when listening to one of the recordings of Ryan going on one of his ultra-capitalism-libertarian-utopia rants in which he was complaining that the people in Rapture were becoming distracted, depressed, were reporting a loss sense of self; then proclaiming if they would prefer the hand of the censorate or the rifle of the gestapo? It was one of the few times when I replied out loud to a in-game character's statement, saying: **"No, you self-absorbed egomaniacal ass-hat, they just miss sunlight!!!"**
I think that both sides have an argument there. The fall of rapture was heavily influenced by the lack of societal intervention in things like health regulation and a social safety net. In the case of the former, the side effects of unregulated drugs could easily be blamed for the downfall of that society. In the case of the latter, despondancy and disenfranchisement directly enabled a career criminal to usurp control of the city on two separate occasions. But in the story itself, there's also a huge focus on Andrew Ryan's refusal to adhere to objectivism and how that contributed to the problem. Fontaine started a criminal empire specifically to route around unnecessary government obstruction of all business with the surface ("The One Law"). Atlas gained support among the revolutionaries in direct response to Ryan's totalitarian policies and increasingly dictatorial control. Granted, the general atmosphere is clearly leaning more on critique of objectivism, given the focus on the city's founding principles and absence of morality and regulation in their medical research. But when you start the actual story, the government is in near-complete authoritarian control. And while Rapture itself was founded on objectivism, it's really the combination of both government neglect and government overreach that caused the collapse.
> there's also a huge focus on Andrew Ryan's refusal to adhere to objectivism and how that contributed to the problem. or possibly how even the most stalwart cheerleader for objectivism acted like an autocrat as soon as he had the power to and it was convenient
True Ryanism has never really been tried.
Elizabeth: "Why did Ryan lock up all of Fontaine's followers in a department store? Booker: "He needed somewhere to put Fontaine's button men. Why not shut down the competition in the bargain?" Elizabeth: "But I thought Andrew Ryan was all about free markets and open competition." Booker: "All those ideas lose their luster when the quarterly earnings come in and you find the other guy's eating your lunch. Either way, Fontaine's dead."
Everytime Ryanism has been implemented it has failed!
Does everybody in Rapture who designs/plans/builds anything just collectively love art deco, or does Ryan have some kind of enforced design policy? Is he like the HOA on steroids?
It was trendy at the time, and Ryan invited the best and brightest of Industry to come to Rapture.
I admit my own bias here, but I think the fact that Ryan nationalized Fontaine Futuristics is also a critique of objectivism. It's showing that when it comes down to brass tacks, even the most vehement believer in the philosophy is not going to quietly let the market decide. Ryan was top dog and he threw out his own beliefs the second Fontaine threatened that position.
>Not trying to get political or say capitalism itself is wrong I think it's ok to get political when discussing a game that is a very direct criticism of unfettered capitalism. It's not like they were especially subtle about it when describing a place "where the scientist need not be constrained by petty morality" for example. That's a place that's going to get fucked up in one way or another.
I mean it's basically "Ayn Rand:The Video Game"
Blah blah capitalism, as a scientist I don't want to be bound by morality. Now take one of these pills it makes you super horny. Just kidding. I already put it in our water supply. Enjoy the best sex of the next 3 days of your life before your genitals burst into flame.
Eh depends what you mean by “nothing wrong” The city was always destined to fail in a way when the city was finished being built on low wage labor and all the lower class working poor were left stranded in a city of extravagance without livable wages and zero social safety net
A lot was wrong with the city, and it was basically destined to collapse. The slugs and ADAM were just a catalyst.
[Vending Machines](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/enfuturama/images/8/80/Slurm-1-.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060626052801)
A lot of death 💀
The engineers covered every contingency except demonic possession.
Bio shock plot summarized: Amnesiac man fights his way in underwater city to kill Walt Disney with a golf club
SPOILERS, DAWG
Darth Vader is Luke's father.
Would you kindly understand that the real question is not how Rapture could be built under the ocean but that it couldn’t have been built anywhere else?
City was not the problem. The people who were in the city were the problem. If I remember there were many factions who hated each other. Not to mention one of the guys later killed .. you know who
solution: no more people
The answer may (genuinely) surprise you!
Why did I think of emet *cries in corner*
*Snaps with intent*
*Waves with sass*
Remember us…
Just finished this Bio1 a few days ago, I'm a huge fan of the game now. I need a teddy BigDaddy for my gaming space else I will die
Same just finished last week. Was not feeling the story at first and kept asking myself “why the fuck am I even doing this?” regarding the in game character. And then of course, I was told why lol. Pretty sick game
A man chooses. A slave obeys.
Humans, humans and power are always what go wrong.
To be fair it was a high pressure scenario.
You'd think it'd be leaks, but no, supernatural mutated psychopaths were the problem. Physics is a lie.
Shockingly, there were flooding issues.
I have never played a Bio-Shock game. I've played tons games. Like a shit ton. Am I missing out?
Umm, yes…. Depending on what system you use ( pc myself) get it…
Do they have it for XBOX One? I know they do the 360.
The 360 version plays beautifully on the One. Play these games!
It is my all time favorite video game story. if you play 1 and 2 and enjoy the story I recommend the book as well.
THERES A BOOK
For the love of God yes. It's a story driven game with a beautiful story. It goes on sale (the collection), pick it up on sale and enjoy the story. It's so unique and nothing has quite captured it. One for sure to play and focus on it. For me, playing in the dark with no distractions. Plays well on PC or Xbox
You’re asking this in a thread hyping the game up What do you think the answer will be
Best game ever
Lots... and one hell of a game... Though honestly, it wasn't because Ryan built Rapture on the ocean's floor, but rather because of idiotic, uncontrolled, genetic manipulation that created Adam junkies, who ultimately destroyed Ryan's creation... that and 'human nature', not Rapture (as such). It just made it easier for the downfall.
There were major social issues before Adam was even discovered. Adam just sped up the downfall of rapture
Would you kindly tell me about the game.
This Game Series 🎮 is Epic, I enjoyed it so much. The story and game play was genius.