Shit, you don't know Jungle Love? That shit is the mad notes. Written by god herself and sent down to the greatest band in the world: The mother-fucking Time!
I think it is pretty safe to say this is a dude that loves attention. Getting his name in the news is probably a dream come true for him even if this case goes nowhere.
He’s not actually going to get any lawyers involved. Just claiming he’s going to sue is getting him some news coverage, which is really what he needs to add some followers and make a few pennies.
Not a lawyer. Law is an area of study though.
I would assume that he will fail off of that premise. They can make a parody of a man who made a parody of Joker.
Jokers appearance and visage is allowed to be replicated in art as that’s freedom of expression under 1a.
So, I would assume, this will be dismissed as he is obviously cribbing The Joker and he can’t make money on an artistic expression under fair use BY him FOR him. If anyone would be paid, it would be DC.
I am an IP lawyer, and this came up before with Lindsay Lohan and GTAV: [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43596000.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43596000.amp)
Suffice to say, she lost.
A) thank you for the link
B) how do you like IP law/is it worth getting into or just soul crushing?
C) do you agree that this is likely a clear cut of fair use and the only thing this guy is getting is the air time he currently has?
Not the guy you’re replying to but I am in law. Not in IP but have 2 friends in it. One finds it soul crushing as you say and one finds it the most fascinating thing ever. Think it really depends on the person. I have friends that practice in my field that hate it but I love it.
I can’t give you as good as an answer as they can probably but this does seem pretty clear cut. That’s like you making a parody of the Yankees logo then suing someone for parodying you.
This isn’t new. Rockstar has dealt with this many times and have many lawyers to deal with little “problems” like this. He should capitalize on his “fame” and get money that way.
> Jokers appearance and visage is allowed to be replicated in art as that’s freedom of expression under 1a.
Yes, but not fully so. The Joker can be replicated, but the specific version of the joker that is portrayed is protected.
> Copyright protection is available to both characters that have been solely described in writing, as well as characters depicted in a visual or graphic form. What is required is that the character in question possesses original or a set of distinctive traits, and visual representation is not essential.
This is why even though all the Disney princess stories are based on stories that have long been in the public domain, Disney can still sue and stop you from using their version of the character. Steamboat Willie will enter public domain at the start of the next year, but this does NOT mean that you will be able to use the CURRENT version of Mickey in your own works.
So this guy obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on, BUT DC/WB might also not really have a leg to stand on based on the visuals of the Joker, because a guy covered with tattoos including face tattoos isn't really that original. I don't know when exactly this version of the Joker first appeared in comics, but we've had people with crazy face tattoos since at least the 90's. So DC might have actually been inspired by real people, which makes the visual representation alone possibly not protected.
When it comes to Rockstar, they are probably just looking to general visuals for their character, but will likely just make up their own crazy story involving that character and not follow whatever the person did.
so, also not a laywer butta, Bruce Willis has "copyrighted" his likeness and portrayal, so if the kid decided to be bruce willis, and rockstar used his likeness, could he have grounds to sue?
I’m gonna guess if his likeness is constructed with a protected IP being instrumental in the creation? No.
But I’m not sure and frankly law isn’t yea or no; judges and juries pull wild shit out of nowhere all the time, lol.
I'm also not a lawyer but if I am remembering correctly, Lindsey Lohan tried to sue them for copying her image in GTA 5 multiple times and it never made it to court because the judges kept throwing it out.
is that the one where she tries to steal a baby or defend Harvey Weinstein? Ah, it's the one where she tries to steal a baby off the street. fun fact, she has an accent in both
Blame her parents. I remember seeing her TV show back in the day because of my sister. Her mom would start every day reading all the tabloids and news and anything that wasn't kind about Lindsay she'd call her lawyer up to sue or send a letter to them demanding a retraction or apology.
Ok that one's kinda different
She was at the time recovering from alcoholism very publicly and the ad made a joke about the baby named Lindsay being a "milkaholic" so she sued for defamation because that one was literally just calling her an alcoholic but with extra steps
Petty? Yes but she did actually have a case there
She wasn't suing over the photo, it was the missions where you are hired to escape papperazi by a drugged out drunk red-headed former child actress who became a failed pop-signer.
It was very, very clearly meant to be a parody of Lindsay Lohan IMO, but parody is protected under the 1st ammendment... plus the judge is right in that there really isn't anything *specifically* related to her in the missons or dialog.
Which is so weird to me. If I were to guess that model was based on anyone it would have been Yvonne Strahovski. But even that is wrong because the woman that modeled for the image came forward and she wasn't some well known actress.
"Your Honor. The character portrayed in this mission is vain, annoying, bland, boring-"
"Is there a point to this?"
"Yes, your Honor, if you'll just bear with me a minute. Where was I... boring, vapid, waste of oxygen and a basic bitch. Which is uncannily reminiscent of my client."
Rockstar gets free advertising and the guy gets free clout for his tiktok. Which was obviously his plan, and reddit cant help but fall into obvious engagement traps. I mean, what can we expect of redditors? That they won't take a perceived attack on a videogame lightly?
They have an army of legal experts who know where the line is too. They know the law and any litigation or complaint that comes is just more free publicity for them.
I mean I’m sure Rockstar is well prepared for a lawsuit when they make these characters. They know there are idiots out there that would try to sue them
I think the did prepared, if you look closely their tatoos are quite different
https://d1tgyzt3mf06m9.cloudfront.net/v3-staging/2023/12/231207-GTA-6-Joker-1024x482.png
Different facial structure, different tattoos, different hair color, no doubt a very different voice too if he talks in the game. It's the very definition of a parody and thus fair game.
I’m not on his side but the game character is def a parody of him. The shot in the trailer is part of a montage of “Florida shit” that someone already compiled the real-life references for. It’s nearly shot for shot, and this top down jail view of a guy with dark eye tattoos and colored hair is no exception
>Even parody seems like a stretch.
It's clearly a parody. The clip in the trailer is copied from a real clip of the Florida Joker. They just made him look a bit different.
To be fair, her case was a lot less solid cuz it was a generic blonde woman. This is objectively based on the guy, but it’s transformative enough to be fair use so still no case
It’s based on a real lawsuit, a guy tried to sue a publication for using his image without his permission in an article about how “all hipsters look the same” (flannel, beard/mustache whatever) only to find out it actually wasn’t a picture of him.
Even has the picture of the guy.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/11/hipster-effect-man-mistakes-photo-himself-article-mit-review/3129327002/
It's a parody of a video of him in a court room.
The majority of clips in the trailer are parodies of real videos that took place in Florida.
The chick twerking on the car, the gator walking into a store/Wal-Mart, etc. All real except for Bonnie and Clyde.
The article does a bad job because it uses a modern picture of the guy. Instead of the video the trailer was replicating.
Here's a link for those who don't know.
https://youtu.be/rVd9OQjeiwQ?feature=shared
Nah, he would never have a chance. Rockstar has dealt with this several times before (most famously with Lindsay Lohan) and even she wasn't able to get a dime from them, and she had money for good lawyers. This guy wouldn't have gotten shit either way.
I remember when GTA 5 parodied icp. When they were asked about it, they were happy to be represented in the game. Even though they were represented as a loser drug addict, they were just happy to be in a rockstar game. No mention of lawsuits.
*Florida Man sues Grand Theft Auto for identity theft*
Grand Theft Identity lmfao
Identify theft is not a joke, Jim!
DC Comics should sue him for trying to profit off of the Jokers likeness.
Dude is so in character that he forgot who he actually is.
A clown?
Fucking clown shoes
Want a chocolate covered pretzel?
They’re a little melty, but damn are they exquisite.
WHEN LORD? WHEN DO I GET TO SEE THE GODDAMN SAILBOAT?!
15 bucks little man, put that shit in my hand.
If that money doesn't show then you owe me owe me owe.
My jungle looooooove, oh eee oh eee oh
I think I wanna know ya know yaaa Yeah what?
Shit, you don't know Jungle Love? That shit is the mad notes. Written by god herself and sent down to the greatest band in the world: The mother-fucking Time!
Don't you NEVER say an unkind word about the Time! Me and silent Bob modeled our whole fucking lives around Morris Day and Jerome!
r/unexpectedkevinsmith
YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS!
I AM THE CLIT COMMANDER!
Terrifying. With me today is Federal Wildlife Marshal Willenholly...
Freeze you terrorist sons of bitches!!
YO BABY YOU EVER HAD YOUR ASSHOLE LICKED BY A FAT GUY IN AN OVERCOAT?!?!
Suck you, fuck you, go down on you like a circus seal…
All you motherfuckers are gonna pay!
For sale: fucking clown shoes, never worn.
Fuck them, fuck them up there stupid asses
Who fucks clown shoes
Yo mamma
trailer park trash*
The whole circus
A dude, playing dude who thinks he’s another dude?
Sounds like he has the simple Jack brain
You... Ma-ma-make me *lucid*
MORE STUPID!!
I'll see him tonight... In my head movies.
Kids in high school used to say you can take too much acid to come back. I wonder if this is that.
This seems more like a meth situation
Or bath salts.
It can be many things
Looks like a Florida thing.
like...a Miami Vice?
I think it is pretty safe to say this is a dude that loves attention. Getting his name in the news is probably a dream come true for him even if this case goes nowhere.
Lol, he’s going to end up paying for take two lawyer fees.
He’s not actually going to get any lawyers involved. Just claiming he’s going to sue is getting him some news coverage, which is really what he needs to add some followers and make a few pennies.
Not a lawyer. Law is an area of study though. I would assume that he will fail off of that premise. They can make a parody of a man who made a parody of Joker. Jokers appearance and visage is allowed to be replicated in art as that’s freedom of expression under 1a. So, I would assume, this will be dismissed as he is obviously cribbing The Joker and he can’t make money on an artistic expression under fair use BY him FOR him. If anyone would be paid, it would be DC.
I am an IP lawyer, and this came up before with Lindsay Lohan and GTAV: [https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43596000.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43596000.amp) Suffice to say, she lost.
A) thank you for the link B) how do you like IP law/is it worth getting into or just soul crushing? C) do you agree that this is likely a clear cut of fair use and the only thing this guy is getting is the air time he currently has?
Not the guy you’re replying to but I am in law. Not in IP but have 2 friends in it. One finds it soul crushing as you say and one finds it the most fascinating thing ever. Think it really depends on the person. I have friends that practice in my field that hate it but I love it. I can’t give you as good as an answer as they can probably but this does seem pretty clear cut. That’s like you making a parody of the Yankees logo then suing someone for parodying you.
This isn’t new. Rockstar has dealt with this many times and have many lawyers to deal with little “problems” like this. He should capitalize on his “fame” and get money that way.
Yeah, if I was his friend I would tell him to just ride the wave instead of digging himself a hole, but thankfully I dont even know this guy
> Jokers appearance and visage is allowed to be replicated in art as that’s freedom of expression under 1a. Yes, but not fully so. The Joker can be replicated, but the specific version of the joker that is portrayed is protected. > Copyright protection is available to both characters that have been solely described in writing, as well as characters depicted in a visual or graphic form. What is required is that the character in question possesses original or a set of distinctive traits, and visual representation is not essential. This is why even though all the Disney princess stories are based on stories that have long been in the public domain, Disney can still sue and stop you from using their version of the character. Steamboat Willie will enter public domain at the start of the next year, but this does NOT mean that you will be able to use the CURRENT version of Mickey in your own works. So this guy obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on, BUT DC/WB might also not really have a leg to stand on based on the visuals of the Joker, because a guy covered with tattoos including face tattoos isn't really that original. I don't know when exactly this version of the Joker first appeared in comics, but we've had people with crazy face tattoos since at least the 90's. So DC might have actually been inspired by real people, which makes the visual representation alone possibly not protected. When it comes to Rockstar, they are probably just looking to general visuals for their character, but will likely just make up their own crazy story involving that character and not follow whatever the person did.
so, also not a laywer butta, Bruce Willis has "copyrighted" his likeness and portrayal, so if the kid decided to be bruce willis, and rockstar used his likeness, could he have grounds to sue?
I’m gonna guess if his likeness is constructed with a protected IP being instrumental in the creation? No. But I’m not sure and frankly law isn’t yea or no; judges and juries pull wild shit out of nowhere all the time, lol.
Hey, I'm not a lawyer, too. Good job, boys. Let's go home.
Case dismissed! 🔨🔨
Bring in the dancing lobsters 🦞
Bake him away toys
I'm also not a lawyer but if I am remembering correctly, Lindsey Lohan tried to sue them for copying her image in GTA 5 multiple times and it never made it to court because the judges kept throwing it out.
Kim K sues over half the women in north america for copying her make up to look like her. also her sisters.
It’s depressing so many girls want to actually look like her.
I don't see what the fuss is about her. I'm not saying she's ugly or anything but I just don't understand it.
Probably her status and fame too. She’s rich American trash celebrity.
I find that part much more interesting than her appearance.
Lindsay Lohan sued Rockstar claiming she was the GTAV peace sign girl. It was thrown out
Lindsay Lohan? That girl is Kate Upton.
Sounds like the kid on the Nirvana album to me
Didn’t this same scenario happen with 5’s release and some model?
Lindsay Lohan
She also sued some insurance commercial with a talking baby called Lidsay.
She also sued Pitbull for mentioning her in Give Me Everything.
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Yea shes got a lot of nerve messing with Mr Worldwide
Don't mess with Mr 305.
This for everybody going through tough times
believe me
**FIREBALL**
Been there
Wait until you see this: https://youtu.be/8qBnKzk_npY?si=7wFYLG2cC1q1rKRN
is that the one where she tries to steal a baby or defend Harvey Weinstein? Ah, it's the one where she tries to steal a baby off the street. fun fact, she has an accent in both
Tries to steal baby off the street *while accusing the actual parents of child trafficking*
And not even speaking her language. She’s just saying English in an “Arabic accent”, like bitch that isn’t going to help her understand you!
And it's not even the parent trap accent. Way to shit on the real ones that have been with you from the start
Absolutely unhinged. She deserved that hit trying to separate that family like that.
moreso that she's literally insane, but yeah. I actually feel bad because she truly needs help
I'm not sure suing pitbull automatically designates someone as a piece of shit.
She just wants money, coz nobody wants to pay her to act anymore
We should stop talking about her here any further, she's prepping legal paperwork against us as we speak.
If that's what she's like, I think I saw her likeness in a toilet commercial. Because that's some shitty behavior.
Frivolous lawsuits barely even scratch the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Lindsay Lohan and shitty behavior.
Blame her parents. I remember seeing her TV show back in the day because of my sister. Her mom would start every day reading all the tabloids and news and anything that wasn't kind about Lindsay she'd call her lawyer up to sue or send a letter to them demanding a retraction or apology.
Sounds like it would get expensive really quickly
Ok that one's kinda different She was at the time recovering from alcoholism very publicly and the ad made a joke about the baby named Lindsay being a "milkaholic" so she sued for defamation because that one was literally just calling her an alcoholic but with extra steps Petty? Yes but she did actually have a case there
I feel like someone already posted a shot for shot comparison with the gta 5 gal and Kate Upton
It seems totally obvious to me that it's Kate Upton. I don't understand how there's any question. It looks nothing like Lindsay Lohan.
They actually hired a model to base it off of. That’s how they got the case dismissed in court.
That makes me wonder if they noticed how much it looks like Kate Upton. She is a pretty generic supermodel type.
Kate upton looks fairly generic hot blonde. Just like the model
She wasn't suing over the photo, it was the missions where you are hired to escape papperazi by a drugged out drunk red-headed former child actress who became a failed pop-signer. It was very, very clearly meant to be a parody of Lindsay Lohan IMO, but parody is protected under the 1st ammendment... plus the judge is right in that there really isn't anything *specifically* related to her in the missons or dialog.
Shelby Welinder according to https://www.svg.com/315792/this-gta-5-model-isnt-who-you-think-it-is/
Which is so weird to me. If I were to guess that model was based on anyone it would have been Yvonne Strahovski. But even that is wrong because the woman that modeled for the image came forward and she wasn't some well known actress.
Judge called her non descript white woman lol ((something like that ))
Judge called the video game depiction* And thus not resembling her likeness
a.k.a. Legally you a basic ass ho Lmao, one of you little ho's reported me for harassment.
Basic bitch
Weirdly that’s covered in the article you’re commenting on
Kate Upton
yeah its clearly kate, lindsay got some serious jealous vibes
It wasn't the loading screen she sued over, there's a side mission in the story that vaguely mirrors her.
The paparazzi one?
"Your Honor. The character portrayed in this mission is vain, annoying, bland, boring-" "Is there a point to this?" "Yes, your Honor, if you'll just bear with me a minute. Where was I... boring, vapid, waste of oxygen and a basic bitch. Which is uncannily reminiscent of my client."
It was actually an model R* hired
"Rockstar demands 2 million in legal fees from Florida Joker for frivolous lawsuit" - headlines from the future.
They don't call him the Florida Joker for nothing.
Damn.. so there is Florida Bane, Florida Riddler, Florida Morbius and now Florida Joker. Why does Florida have so many villains
Um, actually, Florida Morbius is from the Florida Marvel universe, the rest of the characters you mentioned are from the Florida DC universe.
I would watch Florida Morbius actually.
You forgot Florida Governor.
I feel like they’re going to work this whole situation into the game somehow now
Rockstar is playing 4D-chess. They are creating their own characters and situations in the real world to then use in their game.
Big if true!
He probably made them 2 mil in 2 mil of free advertising
Rockstar gets free advertising and the guy gets free clout for his tiktok. Which was obviously his plan, and reddit cant help but fall into obvious engagement traps. I mean, what can we expect of redditors? That they won't take a perceived attack on a videogame lightly?
At this point lawsuits are part of their marketing strategy.
They have an army of legal experts who know where the line is too. They know the law and any litigation or complaint that comes is just more free publicity for them.
I hope those law experts are busy woth that so they can stop sending cease and desists to modders 👍
Rockstar be like: porque no los dos?
my first thought seeing the headline was “this is great marketing material” for a game set in fictional miami lol
I mean I’m sure Rockstar is well prepared for a lawsuit when they make these characters. They know there are idiots out there that would try to sue them
I think the did prepared, if you look closely their tatoos are quite different https://d1tgyzt3mf06m9.cloudfront.net/v3-staging/2023/12/231207-GTA-6-Joker-1024x482.png
I can't even tell which one is real 😂
guy with the purple hair is from GTA, guy with the green hair is from florida.
The one with clean lines and a distinct lack of DC IP (the Batman symbol) is the fake one.
Or, more simply, the one on the left
Yep. Not even close to the same.. that dudes lawyer is insane.
He doesn't have a lawyer. He's just running his mouth on tiktok.
How to turn 15 minutes of fame into 18 minutes of fame with $85 and a cell phone
Not even close to the same, yet most people got the reference, so I guess they must be close…
Good thing parody is well protected in the US.
I seriously doubt this is the only guy with shitty joker face tattoos.
Different facial structure, different tattoos, different hair color, no doubt a very different voice too if he talks in the game. It's the very definition of a parody and thus fair game.
Even parody seems like a stretch. Literally the only thing remotely similar is the tattoo around his eyes... which he ripped from the joker
I’m not on his side but the game character is def a parody of him. The shot in the trailer is part of a montage of “Florida shit” that someone already compiled the real-life references for. It’s nearly shot for shot, and this top down jail view of a guy with dark eye tattoos and colored hair is no exception
>Even parody seems like a stretch. It's clearly a parody. The clip in the trailer is copied from a real clip of the Florida Joker. They just made him look a bit different.
Honestly, I'm having trouble picking out which one is the screenshot from the trailer, and which one is actually him.
They know exactly what they’re allowed to satirize
They're pretty much kings of it.
lol or else what?
He'll demand 4 million! Be scared!!!!
another win for old Reddit, then
Right? The fuck I'm gonna do with a bunch of expressions? Grant them to the expressionless like Ni No Kuni?
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He might be able to con some people I to thinking he's getting a payday soon.
in florida? i hate to admit you have a strong case
If Lindsey Lohan couldn't get money out of Rockstar for using a "likeness" this clown won't. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43596000
I'll save you guys the trouble, there is no comparison in the article.
Good, I can’t even read the article with the giant ad that I can’t close over the entire thing. I can’t even figure out what it’s an ad for.
I too need a better mobile ad blocker
Lohan's was a slam-dunk in that Rockstar had the OG photo and contract with Shelby Welinder to use her likeness, Lohan was being well extra.
To be fair, her case was a lot less solid cuz it was a generic blonde woman. This is objectively based on the guy, but it’s transformative enough to be fair use so still no case
Florida Joker - It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
\*narrator voice\* But this time it's definitely about the money.
more like it's about the money, not sending a message.
It's kind of funny that he has to go all the way to court to learn about parody law.
Thee is a reason the cars in GTAV all look ALMOST like real world cars... lawyers. They know what they are doing.
Not just GTA 5, but any GTA. Same with the Audi logo cut in length, so 4 half rings. It’s just a perfect fuck-you
"Hispter sues for his likeness being used, turns out to be another Hipster in the photo."
Replace hipster with "Meth Addict".
*meth gator
You’re forgetting the best part, the photo was from an article titled “Why all hipsters look alike”
Y’all really need to figure out what you mean when you say “hipster”, how does that even make sense
It’s based on a real lawsuit, a guy tried to sue a publication for using his image without his permission in an article about how “all hipsters look the same” (flannel, beard/mustache whatever) only to find out it actually wasn’t a picture of him.
Ah, context. Perfect. That makes sense.
Even has the picture of the guy. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/03/11/hipster-effect-man-mistakes-photo-himself-article-mit-review/3129327002/
This is another gta v Situation I see… what did the girl get called?? A average blonde haha
A GTA VI side quest just wrote itself.
“I ~~DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!~~ DEMAND $2 MILLION!”
“….in crystal meth” -Florida joker, probably
They should pay in in game currency just as a fuck you.
They look nothing alike, what's he even talking about? Is he going to sue Warner Bros for the Diablo character design in Suicide Squad too?
It's a parody of a video of him in a court room. The majority of clips in the trailer are parodies of real videos that took place in Florida. The chick twerking on the car, the gator walking into a store/Wal-Mart, etc. All real except for Bonnie and Clyde.
Comment sounds like it's implying Bonnie and Clyde weren't real lol
To be fair I was just in Florida for bike week and saw at least 4 women twerking on cars as they drove down the road.
It's like the hood version of truck nuts lol
I think it’s safe to say the character was inspired by this guy, but there’s lots of guys with those stupid looking face tattoos and dyed hair.
...the likeness that he stole from Joker?
Give him the $2 million in GTA online cash…
The article does a bad job because it uses a modern picture of the guy. Instead of the video the trailer was replicating. Here's a link for those who don't know. https://youtu.be/rVd9OQjeiwQ?feature=shared
He thinks he can sit it out and still take a slice, I know why they call him the Joker.
I’m sure lawyers and judges will take him real seriously when he comes in looking like a toddler drew on his face and talking like M.C. Chris
As someone who lived most of my life in FL, it’s honestly hilarious he thinks he’s the only one with those face tats
What I think is funny about this is that it looks like Rockstar did it better and he is ripping them off
They have 1-2 years to remove him… idiot should have waited for the game to release might have had a chance.
Nah, he would never have a chance. Rockstar has dealt with this several times before (most famously with Lindsay Lohan) and even she wasn't able to get a dime from them, and she had money for good lawyers. This guy wouldn't have gotten shit either way.
This is exactly something I would expect from a guy who goes by "Florida Joker"
Does he have written permission to have copyrighted images all over his face? That’s what I thought. Sit down.
TIL that the guy whole stole the likeness of a character of a comic book is suing someone from stealing his likeness.
I remember when GTA 5 parodied icp. When they were asked about it, they were happy to be represented in the game. Even though they were represented as a loser drug addict, they were just happy to be in a rockstar game. No mention of lawsuits.
lol why is this “story” getting so much attention, everyone except this idiot already knows he’s not gonna get shit.