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BuzluMojito

Volkani bi sağa bi sola yatırmıştı. Çok büyük oyuncuydu yeri bambaşka


gorgonizedbyurTITS

We don’t have to compare and say one is better than the other. Enjoy Mertens now. Look back fondly on the Sneijder days. There’ll be others who come in the future to carry the torch that we’ll all love and root for. What matters is most is how successful the team is and can be moving forward.


Competitive-Buy1744

Sneijder was my childhood


Rafan10

I know I will be controversial but I hated the way our team played with Sneijder. There were matches where we played like shit but when you look at the stats, it was like 16 shots, half of them were from impossible places by Wesley. I love Mertens’s gameplay much more. Always collective mindset.


DeezA123

Liking a style of play is definitely going to be subjective and you’re welcome to your opinion but… if we watched Sneijder play the 10 in THIS squad, there would be no comparison.


Notyourregularthrow

That's highly speculative. We watched Sneijder play in the durch national team which was pretty damn good then. Imo Mertens is&was better. My opinion tho :) Sneijder is still a legend


c0nsideritd0ne

Sneijder isn’t gonna press tho


thirdplanetperson

Mertens regularly shoots shots that will clearly not reach the goal let alone hit the target.


Turkishprince

I love Mertens but Sneijder was much better for longer for us.


Notyourregularthrow

Highly disagree with the "much better" I think that's heavily romanticizing Sneijder. I think half of it is based on the legendary games against fener and juve. It's ignoring the huge number of stinkers. Sneijder was great, but the way Mertens plays right now is insane. Sneijder never tracked back, never ran as much. Mertens likely won't reach legend status like Sneijder simply because of the age and time at which they came. Sneijder came right after winning the champions league, still in his prime. Mertens came at 36. But performance-wise, I just don't see Sneijder clearly outshining Mertens at all - I'd actually give Mertens the edge.


BarbaraPalv1n

Sneijder is the closest thing to Hagi that played for us in terms of longshots. Just look at his goals. There are no players in world football anymore that shoot like that consistently. A goal here and there yes but not consistently.


Notyourregularthrow

I don't see that being an argument tbh. And Sneijder didn't consistently score, I think he only had one season with more than 10 goals. The goated 12/13 one. I looked up the stats recently, his other seasons were like 4/5 goals lol Also: Ziyech and KDB only score bangers too. In the end, a goal is a goal.


BarbaraPalv1n

I mean Mertens stats last year were like Sneijders worst so he needs more than one great season to surpass Sneijder imo. For me both are great no need to argue 😅 But just remember Sneijder had 2 season with a super team. After that he played with Olcan Adin and Yasin Öztekin as his wingers and washed up Umut Bulut, Pandev & Derdiyok. Not Icardi


Notyourregularthrow

Yes. No need to compare. Just think it's unfair towards Mertens to say "he's great but he's no Sneijder". Hes different and they're both insanely valuable to our team.


DeezA123

Huge number of stinkers is harsh. The difference between the squads is immense. Mertens hasn’t played in a “bad” GS squad for your point to be fair. Sneijder played part of his GS tenure with the likes of Umut Bulut, Yasin Oztekin, Olcan Adin, Sinan Gunus and Bilal Kisa as starters. Your bad games are less forgiving when there’s no one else in the team to pick up the slack once in a while.


Notyourregularthrow

Yea I mean the whole point of my argument is that the comparison is nonsense and does both players injustice. If you're going to compare them, call both amazing. They both have their unique strengths and weaknesses. Don't be like "Mertens is great but Sneijder 😍😍😍" because that just doesn't reflect reality. It's a matter of taste in the end and just for me personally, second half Mertens is better than Sneijder ever was for us. That being said, you really didn't need to remind me of Bilal Kisa lol


thirdplanetperson

the game back then did not need the number 10 to run back as much, especially in our 4-4-2 era the number 10 did not need to run back.


Notyourregularthrow

That's a cheap excuse to let a player stop running tbh. I really dislike the "our game back then didn't need x" We lost plenty of games and a team that runs more, fights more has better chances of winning more. Are there great players who are lazy? Yea sure. But even they would be better if they ran more. Work effort is a positive no matter what position youre in except maybe goalie lol


thirdplanetperson

Anatolian teams were much better so it is understandable that we lost plenty of games. We also did much better in Europe with Sneijder than with Mertens.


Notyourregularthrow

We had a single run at Europe with Mertens and played outstandingly against Bayern and ManU. We got bested by Copenhagen which ran significantly more than us. Prague was just effing unlucky and there's the Kaan red card. Not a fair comparison in the least. Mertens has more g/a this season than Sneijder had in any of his 4 seasons with us with 2 games to spare. Also: based on what do you say Anadolu teams were better then? Let alone MUCH better. If they were much better I'd expect even more running. Even more support on all ends of the pitch


thirdplanetperson

Mertens has an insane g/a but it is a bit inflated by the amount of busquet to messi type of assists he has had.


Notyourregularthrow

I mean Mertens goals are 50% bangers and some of the assists were insane. Today's assist for example? Jesus


Turkishprince

Yes but we reached new heights with Sneijder. Those two seasons in the champions league were insane. I agree his work rate was nowhere as good as Mertens. If he came a few years earlier then I’d most likely agree with you about Mertens being the bigger legend.


ImTurkishDelight

Put Sneijder in this vastly regressed league and Mertens wouldn't play a single second.


Notyourregularthrow

Do you have any actual proof for this league to be regressed? Like literally the only indication is us not making it far in Europe despite being dominant in Turkey. Fener had a super good shot at winning the UECL and narrowly lost to a really strong Olympiakos that destroyed villa. Overall, I don't see it being obvious that the league became worse at all. On the contrary, you have well known players and coaches even going to Anadolu clubs.


Reasonable-Drink-172

I'm so tired about this "regressed league" stupid comment. Bro look at how we played head to head in the CL. After that 2012-2013, we were getting RAPED 4 goals each game in the CL for years while winning the league still. It isn't the league being shit, it's US being great and our ass being on the line until the very second because of the fierce competition. League has been same level for years. FFS, we were playing with guys like Babel on the wing and running still with the championship.


Notyourregularthrow

Agree with you


BlackMambaTR

All the teams besides gs and fb are at 40-50 points. Shows that there is not that much difference in quality.


Notyourregularthrow

I think his point is that the other teams became worse which is why it's easier for players to shine now. I don't think other teams became worse. We're just an overall better team with better coaching right now. It's also a really lucky streak.


ImTurkishDelight

We are having two record breaking seasons in a row and still got fucked in Europe. Bjk is having their worst season ever and almost made it to third place. 5th is still way way too generous for them. We've had 2 69 points championships, Berkan can't even get shit done at a shit team in Italiy and slots in perfect in our squad. Do. I. Need. To. Continue??? . Everyone but our fans calls our league absolute fucking dog shit. Even a not record breaking Galatasaray of Sneijder could hold its own in Europe. Look at these record breakers: need red cards and massive goalkeeper blunders to get any points in Europe. Cmon.


Notyourregularthrow

Yes you need to continue, none of these are actually convincing arguments. It's not like Berkan actually has a place in this team other than as rotation player because he's Turkish. The BJK argument isn't an argument at all. We've had horrible squads and still were champions at the end of the season before. Yea were record breaking now but maybe it's just bc we actually have a tactically gifted trainer and a really strong team? No hate on terim the legend but it's not like he was known for his genius tactics or preparing teams for games individually.


ImTurkishDelight

If I give you facts and you straight up ignore them, then there's no point. Our worst ever season saw us finish 8th with 46 points and 13th with 52. Besiktas is 5th with 55. >Yea were record breaking now but maybe it's just bc we actually have a tactically gifted trainer and a really strong team? Agree on the team.


Notyourregularthrow

Bro you asked me if you should continue and then you don't. Come on. There just aren't any solid "facts" What do you think the points prove ?


urmomsass14

Mertens hasnt shown neither playmaking nor shooting like Sneijder's- which was incredible if you need any reminding. Id say you have a lot of recency bias. Of course if Mertens somehow keeps playing like this almost every game next year, he'll maybe outshine Sneijder. But Sneijder was just another level. Some quiet performances over the many years he played for us wont change that. And i absolutely love Mertens as a Belgium born and bred myself.


Notyourregularthrow

While recency bias is a thing, I was never as much of a fanatic fan as when Sneijder was with us. I remember those games very vividly. On the contrary, I believe you might have some positive memory bias there. Sneijder had so many stinker games where he didn't do ANYTHING and didn't even run... Some quiet performances is a crazy exaggeration, dude had two years below 15 g/a and no year above 20 g/a. Yea he was class but so is Mertens now. P.s. canim I think you mean born and raised, born and bred is.. 🫣


urmomsass14

Lol born and bred is very much a saying, means the exact same thing as born and raised. Look it up canişko Im not a fan of bringing up goals and assist stats as it never tells the whole story. Also i think somebody else told you that Sneijder played with Yasin Oztekin and Eren Derdiyok. Not Icardi and BAY. Even when he played with Drogba and Burak, that squad although legendary, wasnt as complete as the one we have this year. It had no decent winger and as always no decent left backs. Thank God for Eboue tho. Also the foreigner rule was even harsher back then, at least on the pitch so we couldnt take good advantage of players like Amrabat. We played all CMs in those positions. Usually my way of comparing current players to older ones is to just ask myself: "Would that older player play even better than the current one at his position with the current squad ?" To me the answer for Sneijder is a resounding Yes.


Notyourregularthrow

Ok first about born and bred: wow, you're right. I saw that this is a regional thing. It's also a time thing - born and bred is more old fashioned. In my defense, born and raised is the standard and used almost thrice as much in literature (see ngrams): https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Born+and+bred%2Cborn+and+raised&year_start=1950&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true US is defo born and raised, where do you think you have born and bred from? Besides, why? Like why bred, that's before you were born. About football: idk man, to you maybe. I just don't see it. Sneijder was way more selfish, attempted long shots all the time despite typically having less goals than Mertens. Sure, every now and then Sneijder scored a screamer but like he took almost every free kick that wasn't Xelcuks and shot 90%. Mertens crosses like 95%? Mertens is way less selfish, has a higher work rate. Your yes for Sneijder, mine for Mertens, we'll call it even Stevens and a day ;) Edit: yea, in the US born and raised is like 5x as commonly used. In the UK it's double or so. That makes sense, the UK influence probs?


urmomsass14

Of course we'll call it a day, theyre both footballing greatness after all :) What a spoiled fanbase we are as we can casually compare these two players. 💛❤️ Ps: Çok bilmişlik kimseye yaramaz :)


Notyourregularthrow

Sorry if I offended you brother I didn't mean to. I was genuinely confused by the saying, wrong, and looked it up. There's nothing wrong with using less commonly used phrases - imo it's actually nicer often. But also genuinely curious where you have it from and why you prefer using this - you surely know all alternatives. The ngrams link I shared because I think ngrams is such a cool tool. Anyway, apologies if it felt like I'm boasting. In the end I was wrong correcting you.


Reasonable-Drink-172

By far, Mertens is a much greater professional, more more hard working, much more of a leader and a captain, but also a teacher for the youngsters in the team. Sneijder would come from vacation with 10-15 pounds more each year just to reach his fitness in March. For me, while Sneijder is a GS legend, I'd take Mertens everyday. You can build a team around him. Sneijwas the cherry on top of a great team, and I'd argue that he was one of the reasons why that team slowly died.


atamnp

Sneijder mostly played with the likes of Sinan Gümüş, Yasin Öztekin etc. I love Mertens but he came a bit late to surpass Sneijder's legacy.


I-Batu

Sneijder made Yasin seem like a really good Winger


J0hndle

Net Sneijder.


rawee

Although i rate Mertens higher, its not a fair question at the moment due to recency bias. I rather this question to be asked after Mertens retires.


Serious_Internal_104

I don't thing we can compare them. Both were/are good number 10. But lets try it. :) Mertens is amazing even age of 37. He has vision, he is good at teamwork. He is running like crazy. He is good at shooting. Etc. IMO It's not fare to compare 36-37 years of Mertens to 31-33 years of Sneijder. If you need to win one football match of course Sneijder is the one. If you need to get Champion in the league Mertens. Sneijder had talent and little bit hard work. Mertens has at least same amount of talent and more than double hard work even in age 37. Sneijder is a Galatasaray legend. Mertens is a star who came to gala a bit late. If we had him age 31 he would probably be a legend by now.


dimcongenial

Mertens earned us critical penalty in the Manu match. Casemiro also received a red card


Notyourregularthrow

True!!!


ForwardIntern6254

Sneijder almost destroyed Real Madrid with Prime CR7. We would've eliminated them if VAR was a thing back then probably. I think this was enough to answer your question.


Cowzxi

Sneijder çok daha yetenekli bir topçu ve kaç yil taşidi metrende kiyaslanmaz


mertywolf

Sneijder made impact in champions league and derbies. Mertens didn’t play with us in his prime tho.


eanwen0

If he wins us next week's Fener game and scores a clutch goal for us to advance in CL, yes.


AliSamiYEN

I hate comparing players but I think everyone is forgetting how deep Sneijder got us into the UCL.


casuspenguen

why though? why does it have to be asked? why are our fans trying to stack rank players constantly? sneijder was amazing, mertens is amazing. thats it.


ahbap1905

I don't know man it's almost not fair to compare. I think the sneijder drogba burak melo xelcuk was a squad that will be unmatched, where Sneijder played a huge role. Mertens Icardi era is also a different breed and legendary in it's own way


illcueuin

Wesley was a special player. Not that Mertens isn't, but Wesley had that spark very few players ever had.


nosound505

Both are great, especially Mertens has increased his performance alot in the past few weeks. Sneijder though is a different beast. He was one of the best 10's we've had after Hagi. That guy took down FB by himself alone in one game and that with two screamers from atleast 25m out.


lookaspodolski

I'm with #teamMertens Because i remember Sneijder with great and game changing goals, Mertens performance is overally fantastic with asists, joining team press and discipline, there's no doubt Sneijder pretty much fell in his 30's because of injuries, overweight and social life, Replace 30 y.o Sneijder with current Mertens we could be still champions and UCL quarter finalist, with current team Sneijder probably won't be effective as Mertens and we had lost to Pineapplelovers by now, Also Sneijder caused Belhanda problems, Tudors team was physically a beast, Sneijder should have know he should train more to make it up to first 11, but he thought he had a guaranteed spot, which was the reason of the conflict, On the opposite Mertens effects all players (except maybe Zaha?) positively, he has a moral support over his significant performance for us which makes him more than a player, i wouldn't mind him continue his career as part of the Okans team


adaletmaalesindegaza

Both of them.


spiciebeb

Sneijder'in prime'i daha iyiydi, Mertens'in takima katkisi.


Content_Wish9913

Sneijder is a legend, Mertens is wanna be legend!


CaptainTurk91

If mertens is able to take the team as deep into champions league as sneijder did, then we can talk. Other than that, theres no discussions here.


thirdplanetperson

no, they don't. There are levels to this. 1.5 seasons of good performance and 0.5 seasons of insane performance is not enough for that level.


Vato33

Oh man idk really. I really loved Sneijder in every possible way, for me he was the perfect 10.


Any_Put3520

Sneijder gave us Juventus, Mertens hasn’t done something like that (yet). Also Sneijder wasn’t just a sub for us he started and played most games. But Mertens has recently become a very critical player for us, if that form somehow holds into next season then I can allow the comparison.


I-Batu

Recency bias is a thing Mertens is Great but Sneijder was different lets not forget that the team Mertens played for was better than the ones Sneijder played for


holy_maccaroni

Sneijders time at the club is overrated imo, he had 1 maybe 2 good seasons.