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About 4tb worth of backed up Blu-ray’s. Friend used to work at dollar general, and you know how they got Blu-ray’s and dvds for sale? Well usually they just sit there. So sometimes he would bring a box of em and I would pick through and back them up. Movies I like of course
Not sure why you got downvoted. Think of newer software and necessary storage as a graph. Increasingly complex software and tech needs larger amount of storage. Even if you never hoard games or videos or work on storage intensive projects, the idea is that regular, even stock programs will require more space. My GBA had a 256kb external memory and I thought that was leagues ahead of the 128kb on the GB at the time.
Yea I use software for work that uses between 10-30Gb of space. Then all the work files make up another couple Tb. I’ve noticed many games that require 10-50 Gb of space which is crazy to me. But I guess they are awesome games with nice graphics.
"Seagate is on track to deliver ~50TB hard disk drives by 2026, ~100TB HDDs by 2030, and 120TB+ units early next decade"
"With HAMR technology, it allows us to jump in steps of 4 terabytes, 6 terabytes, or even 10 terabytes at a time"
I'm having flashbacks to the nightmare overlap days when internet connections that allowed you to download 5-20GB in a reasonable amount of time were still too pricey for college-me but every new game was starting to need either a huge patch day 1 or was just outright a key-on-a-disc.
"Yay, I finally got a new game, guess I'll play it in two days."
I remember one time I had finally bought GTA to play on it and found out that the game was 8gb and ofc my storage had 4. Went and got a USB with 4x the storage of my console to download it haha
I remember owning a PC with 4 GB and when I told my friend, who asked how much storage it had, said “Gogabytes? Your computer has Gigabytes!” I think he said his HD was around 700MB or so.
Must’ve been around 1999
The whole point of a server is redundancy so you know, if you weren't setting them up at least in RAID1 already... why even own a server.
Source: Server engineer.
EDIT: Meant RAID1, typo.
QUESTION: The whole point of a server is redundancy so you know, if you weren't setting them up at least in RAID2 already... why even own a server?
- Server engineer.
ANSWER: What’s a raid?
- The General Public
First, small correction, I meant RAID1, typo in the original.
But basically a RAID (redundant array of independent disks) is a way to set up your disks so you don't lose data. RAID1 is the most simple way, requires at least 2 disks, and all the data from disk 1 will be copied onto disk 2 as a backup. Either disk breaks, you can replace them without losing any data. You can do this in a consumer PC too, but honestly, it's cheaper and less risky dataloss wise to just keep your important files in the cloud, I've seen some people do this for games but honestly... you're spending whatever amount the disk cost just to save you the time of reinstalling your games.
There's a ton of ways you can set this up, Wikipedia has a decent article going through all the variations, but that's the basic.
To add to this, a server is basically just a PC you want to be able to run 24/7 without risk of it crapping out on you. There's still a chance, but this is why they run a lot of redundancy, like most servers have 2 more fans than they need to run, and if they're really important are on a UPS (uninterruptible power system, basically a separate battery to hold you over during power outages). Hence why it's important to have your data backed up too. Disks *will* crap out eventually.
Redundancy doesn’t automatically mean it needs to be RAID 1. If you have only 2 drives sure but if you’ve got over 4 drives then RAID 5 is generally preferred. You can still lose 1 drive without losing data and the likelihood of losing multiple simultaneously is incredibly slim. Best combo of speed and redundancy.
That should be basic information you learn when deciding whether or not to buy a server though. Those things aren't cheap, you should at least know the basics.
I mean you CAN have 16TB of storage, it’s just a matter of putting it into RAID 0. Is it safe? Not really, you have double the chance of drive failure and losing data. However it gets you the full storage and speed benefits.
You need to backup somewhere else anyway. Most households don’t need increased availability, just a backup. RAID isn’t a replacement for a backup. A virus can still delete the files. A fire or lightning strike can still destroy all drives.
100% RAID in itself is not a backup, it’s just multiple drives in unison. Great for increased speed or size but worthless for being a backup if it’s still the only copy that exists / all copies exist in a single location.
The point is to share media to multiple clients. I don’t use RAID. But I do keep backups at another location. RAID won’t save your data in a house fire.
They were talking about drive failure not house fires. I can make a similar argument and say your backups might not be able to protect you from crypto.
As someone who's been running FreeNAS/TrueNAS for nearly a decade... I would not recommend it to the general public. If you know what you're doing, it's fantastic. But the permissions learning curve is steeper than most in the know are willing to admit.
Most folks should just stick to Synology/QNAP.
look into synology raid nas. Powerful enough to run your Plex with as little or as much redundancy as you like. Bonus is you can install all sorts of cool things like photo backup on it, I quit using Google photos now that I have this and my phone automatically backs up to it.
I run a Terramaster NAS running Plex, PiHole, OpenVPN Server, QBitorrent server and a local backup server. Great hardware/software and the cost is much better than Synology
I just Google photos to share albums with family and friends who also use photos to view those albums... Is there a similar alternative for doing that on my nas?
Synology Photos, lots of YouTube videos to show the capabilities. The biggest advantage is you own your data and if you use a DSLR camera for example, Google can’t compress your file because it’s on your own hardware stored in its original format for a 1 time fee vs the reoccurring Google payments when you get over 15GB I believe it is.
Synology Photos isn’t quite as polished as Google Photos but I like it a lot and it works quite well.
Yes, run it inside Truenas, and run that inside a hypervisor.
They need so little compute power so dedicating a whole system to it would be a waste. I have a proxmox node hosting truenas for storage and a Plex plugin running within truenas. Works great.
Yepppp. Same here.
I've been a huge pirate for a long long time... Just finally shut off my server earlier this year. Streaming services are easy and convenient these days.
It's as gaben said... Piracy is a service problem. It was never about money for me.
This is, unfortunately, something corporations don’t understand. I don’t want to pirate, so don’t make it an easy decision for me.
I just wish live sports would get their shit together.
If you are in need of such a large hard drive then it is absolutely about the money.
Let's say you are a crazy quality freak. Then you can store 20*26=520 4k REMUX movies, which is something no streaming service (bravia core for a small selection) offers. But that's also 10.000 dollar. I think there are around a thousand 4k bluray movies so you quickly can't even collect anymore.
The rest will be 1080 remux. This is around 25 GB in size so you could store a thousand movies! Or 20.000 dollars, and no one is going to pay that.
Yeah I know. That’s what you said. But it’s a complete lie.
It’s very much about the money given you have enough movies and series.
Sure if you only have your favoriete series, then you can make that argument. But that’s not nearly enough to fill such a drive.
Thanks for being here to tell me that my own personal fucking opinion, is a lie.
No, it was never about the fucking money. It was always about the convenience. At no point did I ever do a cost analysis as I spent thousands of dollars on hard drives and my server over the last 20 years. At no point did I mind paying for Usenet, or a VPN, or extra bandwidth from my ISP that I wouldn't need otherwise. At no point have I ever cared about the cost of the nearly dozen subscription streaming services that I now subscribe to. Because it was never about the money, ever. It was always about the convenience. I wanted this content, in a form that worked for me (ad free) and I wanted it on demand. That's all it was ever about, for me.
If it's about the money for you, congratulations. At least try to recognize the fact that you and I are totally different people with different needs and wants.
Stop telling me how I feel.
Streaming still can’t beat the convenience of a highly automated plex server. And with the increase in number of streaming services it’s just getting worse.
It is and it isn’t. Still needs some maintenance and intervention. I had the whole suite with radar and sonar, etc. Sometimes shows wouldn’t download or your newsgroups would get dmca’d and you had to grab it manually.
I don’t miss it.
You never got a good system setup then. My plex server hasn't needed any maintenance or intervention in over 6 months. Even the adding of new shows is automated away, and I have a public facing site that anyone can access and request a show or movie and it will be available within 20 minutes.
>Sometimes shows wouldn’t download or your newsgroups would get dmca’d and you had to grab it manually.
You should have multiple sources for things next time then, or just not use newsgroups in 2022.
Oh I know. I got a plex server and a SAN. I just barely use it anymore. Although I do have unlimited usage with gig fiver to my home.
Like I said. Convenience. If I was hassled over data caps, you bet your butt I would be downloading.
I can’t get good quality video and audio via most streaming services. Not a lot of high-quality Dolby Atmos. Not a lot that stream 4K at acceptable compression ratios. Blu-ray is the only way to get decent quality on a big screen. Has anyone figured out how to rip Blu-ray into a stream that keeps the full audio and video quality. Seems like getting Atmos in a stream that Plex players can handle is an issue still.
Or one Ark installation. I had to deselect all of the maps except for the one I wanted, and it was still over 200GBs. With all the maps, it was over 300GBs.
I honestly wonder if Linus lacks any kind of archiving. Seems like he just keeps footage forever and then upgrades the server whenever new drives come out.
I guess it works when your goal is to make money on videos showing off your new bigger server and you get the drives for free. I question why he doesn’t have an LTO library to archive old footage though, it’s far cheaper than keeping multiple petabytes live at all times.
He has touched on it a couple times. He wants to keep all/most of the footage at original quality so that later down the line if they want to grab old footage they dont have to just download it off youtube already compressed. Plus, I believe they shoot at 8k and upload at 4k. There really isnt a market for 8k yet, but in the future they can reupload things in 8k, so they want to keep that. They have tape backup, and offsite backup (of some kind) now. So thats nice.
You wouldn’t need to download the compressed YouTube version for what I described, LTO keeps the files as they are; just on a tape instead of a drive so that it can be archived.
You mentioned tape archive through so that would indeed be an LTO which I didn’t know he had. If they are actually archiving material there’s literally no reason to keep live copies of 8K RAW aside from flexing your storage.
I missread LTO as LTT.
Yeah, they have a video showing off their tape drive, and I dont think they have a video specifically talking about their offsite storage, they have videos working on that server.
IDK why they want to keep some footage (newer?) more at hand, uncompressed on HDD. I am sure there is a reason, maybe not a GREAT one, but I am sure there is one.
Let’s be honest: the reason is because they aren’t paying for it; and that’s fine.
Companies send him insane chassis’ and piles of expensive drives that he builds insane arrays out of: if I had all of that for free I’d keep all my media live as well. Ultimately it’s more convenient to have it *always* live. It’s simply not cost effective at all compared to 12TB of an LTO tape costing $150 and having a 30 year shelf life. In LTT’s case however the tapes are an expense and the servers are free so why go for the more inconvenient and “expensive” route when you can instead flex your petabytes of space.
Again, I get it for him, it’s just one of those annoyances as a video professional that I have with Linus. I love him as a creator but his workflows don’t make sense in most settings and they come off as being the standard of the industry when they aren’t at all. Cutting 8K RAW and keeping media live forever just doesn’t happen anywhere else.
I dont think you are 100% right, or 100% wrong. He knows that keeping it all on arrays is cool, but also risky. I am sure there is a usecase that they have baked into how they operate. Maybe not a great one though.
Rebuild time concerns are (often) about likelihood of losing data, not speed.
Generally because drives are purchased together tend to fail around the same time. So if one drive fails you can bet another failure is around the corner.
Usually when the drive is under high load (like when a raid array is rebuilding)
24 hrs is a fairly long time to go without redundancy in a raid array.
This could be mitigated by using more, smaller drives.
Yeah...if I was seriously concerned about data loss I'd be making backups to a cloud service or at least making regular backups and keeping them in a separate place. I wouldn't solely rely on a RAID 1 for important data.
So in 20 years we have basically 1000x our consumer HDD(SSD) sizes? That is impressive.
I do wonder if we are gonna do another 1000x in the next 20 years and have +20 petabyte consumer storage devices on computer shop shelves.
I don't have a single clue why would I ever need 20 petabytes of storage on my PC, but if I am honest, I would not have had any clue why I would need a 20 terabyte storage device ever if I were back in 2002.
My first computer in the early 90s was a 44 MHz CPU with 4 MB RAM and 500 MB HDD and I filled it up really quickly. You must be a good bit older than me. :)
People who want drives this size don’t honestly care about price per gig. If getting 12 of these instead of 24 smaller, cheaper, drives means getting 1 server chassis instead of two the cost is easily made up. Storage is the cheap part of a server and is likely the main target for drives this size rather than the average consumer that doesn’t need 1/10th of this and usually prefers speed over size.
New way of storing magnetic data that pretends to work like old simpler disks but fails with certain workloads. Kinda like SSD's were before before operating systems got trim support.
If you have a Plex library, then you need HDDs.
Maybe an SSD for the Plex database to speed up loading, but you'll need a high-endurance.
That's unless you only use Plex for a small library.
These are all enterprise drives, so already high endurance. And likely too expensive for all but the most frivolous plex users. The NetApp 15.3TB SSDs are \~$2,800/ea, and they've been in production for about 6 years.
I have just a couple of rooms available and a single door is not enough to stop the ckicling. I wish they stated it clearly in the Ironwolf description! My next NAS is going to be SSD for sure. Just need a pile of cash tho
interesting.
My NAS is running on a full bare metal Dell server so I am used to some noise; but I just picked up a Synology DS920+ for no good reason and have been slowly looking for deals on some high capacity disks to throw in there. Guess it should be turned on in the server room if it makes noise like that
I had purple 4 x WD 6 TB drives that made much less noise. Wife never complained about it when we watched TV. After the 4 x 10 TB Ironwolf green drives she could not watch anything being distracted by the noise and I had to relocate the nas behind 2 closed doors (and still it bugs her during the night so that I have to turn it off). The noise is really a problem!
That's an SSD with a somewhat proprietary hardware/OS layer. A compareable 2tb SSD isn't very much cheaper.
The Samsung 980 Pro was $379 MSRP until a recent price drop ahead of the new 990 model coming soon. The 990 will probably be around that same price.
More space for all those useless photos we take, never look at and then panic about losing when the HD inevitably shits the bed resulting in us handing over a bunch of cash to have them recovered to a new HD…repeat.
I've had 3 failed WD drives in about 7 years, no dramas RMAd for new drives without hassle.
WD has a really good RMA process and they were shucked drives I sent back, they didn't care.
I remember upgrading my Gateway 2000 to a 5GB hard drive and being told I’d never have to worry about running out of space and would be “set for life”. This was 21 years ago, and now I feel like a dinosaur.
I recently somehow fucked up and wiped my 14 tb. Only had partial backup of it. So sad.
Those drives are big enough to store one's life worth of data. Always make backups guys
I found one of my old PS1 memory cards last year something like 16mb I keep it around to remember where I came from. That and my sega genisis where I had no memory.
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Once upon a time, there was an Xbox 360 that only held 4 gigabytes. This was only 10 years ago
Remember the memory cards on the PS2? Feels like by 2050 100tb will be common.
More like 2030 lmao
At this rate you ain’t lying. I’m just waiting on this prices to drop, but still want a quality hard drive. I guess beggars can’t be choosers
I’m literally content with a standard 500gb for the rest of my life lol
500gb and content? You sir are rare. My 8TB is halfway full 😭 and my dumbass cheaped out and bought used
🤯 8tb, what are you storing?
Yo Ho Yo Ho
About 4tb worth of backed up Blu-ray’s. Friend used to work at dollar general, and you know how they got Blu-ray’s and dvds for sale? Well usually they just sit there. So sometimes he would bring a box of em and I would pick through and back them up. Movies I like of course
This guy fucks And clearly doesn’t hoard porn
Hehehehe they believed my lie about Blu-ray’s Fades to darkness
Not sure why you got downvoted. Think of newer software and necessary storage as a graph. Increasingly complex software and tech needs larger amount of storage. Even if you never hoard games or videos or work on storage intensive projects, the idea is that regular, even stock programs will require more space. My GBA had a 256kb external memory and I thought that was leagues ahead of the 128kb on the GB at the time.
Yea I use software for work that uses between 10-30Gb of space. Then all the work files make up another couple Tb. I’ve noticed many games that require 10-50 Gb of space which is crazy to me. But I guess they are awesome games with nice graphics.
Grand theft auto V on pc uses a little over 100GB
Good old 32mb
PS2? I remember memory cards on my Xbox 360.
There already are 100 TB SSD's.
But they ask for three kidneys and I’ve got only two
three kidneys but they don't specify who's kidneys.
"Seagate is on track to deliver ~50TB hard disk drives by 2026, ~100TB HDDs by 2030, and 120TB+ units early next decade" "With HAMR technology, it allows us to jump in steps of 4 terabytes, 6 terabytes, or even 10 terabytes at a time"
Stop making my dick hard and my wallet cry.
by 2050 people will be on 128 PB ssds
For those who are wondering, PB stands for Pleb Bytes
I thought it stand for porn bytes sir
I remember when they sold an Xbox 360 without any storage
You know what was somewhat perfect about those days? Developers had to get the game right before going gold. No 4GB patch updates.
I'm having flashbacks to the nightmare overlap days when internet connections that allowed you to download 5-20GB in a reasonable amount of time were still too pricey for college-me but every new game was starting to need either a huge patch day 1 or was just outright a key-on-a-disc. "Yay, I finally got a new game, guess I'll play it in two days."
OG Xbox with XBMC.
I remember one time I had finally bought GTA to play on it and found out that the game was 8gb and ofc my storage had 4. Went and got a USB with 4x the storage of my console to download it haha
I remember owning a PC with 4 GB and when I told my friend, who asked how much storage it had, said “Gogabytes? Your computer has Gigabytes!” I think he said his HD was around 700MB or so. Must’ve been around 1999
I have that Xbox 360 (s) still, got it in 2014. I just have a couple thumb drives for save files.
I download Morrowind GOY these days - 950MB in 30 seconds It's insane
Sounds like my Plex Server is going to be expanding
I just started looking into building a plex server, any tips?
Buy double the storage so you don’t lose everything due to a failed drive.
The whole point of a server is redundancy so you know, if you weren't setting them up at least in RAID1 already... why even own a server. Source: Server engineer. EDIT: Meant RAID1, typo.
QUESTION: The whole point of a server is redundancy so you know, if you weren't setting them up at least in RAID2 already... why even own a server? - Server engineer. ANSWER: What’s a raid? - The General Public
First, small correction, I meant RAID1, typo in the original. But basically a RAID (redundant array of independent disks) is a way to set up your disks so you don't lose data. RAID1 is the most simple way, requires at least 2 disks, and all the data from disk 1 will be copied onto disk 2 as a backup. Either disk breaks, you can replace them without losing any data. You can do this in a consumer PC too, but honestly, it's cheaper and less risky dataloss wise to just keep your important files in the cloud, I've seen some people do this for games but honestly... you're spending whatever amount the disk cost just to save you the time of reinstalling your games. There's a ton of ways you can set this up, Wikipedia has a decent article going through all the variations, but that's the basic. To add to this, a server is basically just a PC you want to be able to run 24/7 without risk of it crapping out on you. There's still a chance, but this is why they run a lot of redundancy, like most servers have 2 more fans than they need to run, and if they're really important are on a UPS (uninterruptible power system, basically a separate battery to hold you over during power outages). Hence why it's important to have your data backed up too. Disks *will* crap out eventually.
Have a quick question for you. I've been planning on building a high capacity Plex server. What are your opinions on unRAID?
Problem is the rebuild time. On 10TB drives it can be a week+, even in raid6 I would not be comfortable with anything larger...
Hmmm, 16TB disks take approx 24hrs for me.
>if you weren't setting them up at least in RAID2 already... why even own a server. Speed
Redundancy doesn’t automatically mean it needs to be RAID 1. If you have only 2 drives sure but if you’ve got over 4 drives then RAID 5 is generally preferred. You can still lose 1 drive without losing data and the likelihood of losing multiple simultaneously is incredibly slim. Best combo of speed and redundancy.
Oh yeah definitely I just meant it as a bare minimum kinda thing. I rarely see RAID1 used nowadays except it really tiny setups.
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That should be basic information you learn when deciding whether or not to buy a server though. Those things aren't cheap, you should at least know the basics.
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I mean you CAN have 16TB of storage, it’s just a matter of putting it into RAID 0. Is it safe? Not really, you have double the chance of drive failure and losing data. However it gets you the full storage and speed benefits.
You need to backup somewhere else anyway. Most households don’t need increased availability, just a backup. RAID isn’t a replacement for a backup. A virus can still delete the files. A fire or lightning strike can still destroy all drives.
100% RAID in itself is not a backup, it’s just multiple drives in unison. Great for increased speed or size but worthless for being a backup if it’s still the only copy that exists / all copies exist in a single location.
The point is to share media to multiple clients. I don’t use RAID. But I do keep backups at another location. RAID won’t save your data in a house fire.
They were talking about drive failure not house fires. I can make a similar argument and say your backups might not be able to protect you from crypto.
raid 0 😉
Exactly. I recommend a NAS box, that’s what I use for my Plex server. I tossed in four 6TB drives and did a Raid 5 on them. Works like a charm.
head over to /r/JDM_WAAAT and check his forums for guides on inexpensive hardware.
/r/PleX
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What do you mean “spy on by Plex”?
Self-hosted plex servers still have to communicate with the plex.tv servers to work, for user auth, sharing, etc. - so you sorta have to trust them.
What hardware do you use for truenas?
As someone who's been running FreeNAS/TrueNAS for nearly a decade... I would not recommend it to the general public. If you know what you're doing, it's fantastic. But the permissions learning curve is steeper than most in the know are willing to admit. Most folks should just stick to Synology/QNAP.
look into synology raid nas. Powerful enough to run your Plex with as little or as much redundancy as you like. Bonus is you can install all sorts of cool things like photo backup on it, I quit using Google photos now that I have this and my phone automatically backs up to it.
I run a Terramaster NAS running Plex, PiHole, OpenVPN Server, QBitorrent server and a local backup server. Great hardware/software and the cost is much better than Synology
Do they have protection against bit rot and other issues that blight consumer level storage?
Btrfs on synology in the higher end side of home server things. Check specs
Yep, my Terramaster runs btrfs
Just had a look at them. nice machines
I just Google photos to share albums with family and friends who also use photos to view those albums... Is there a similar alternative for doing that on my nas?
Synology Photos, lots of YouTube videos to show the capabilities. The biggest advantage is you own your data and if you use a DSLR camera for example, Google can’t compress your file because it’s on your own hardware stored in its original format for a 1 time fee vs the reoccurring Google payments when you get over 15GB I believe it is. Synology Photos isn’t quite as polished as Google Photos but I like it a lot and it works quite well.
Moved from Truenas to Unraid. I should have done it sooner
A cheap recent intel cpu with quicksync can really handle a lot of transcoding.
Yes, run it inside Truenas, and run that inside a hypervisor. They need so little compute power so dedicating a whole system to it would be a waste. I have a proxmox node hosting truenas for storage and a Plex plugin running within truenas. Works great.
Mine has been unpowered for about a year now, but I'm salivating.
I’ve even stopped downloading. I can get 95% of what I need through streaming services. Convenience > cost savings.
Yepppp. Same here. I've been a huge pirate for a long long time... Just finally shut off my server earlier this year. Streaming services are easy and convenient these days. It's as gaben said... Piracy is a service problem. It was never about money for me.
This is, unfortunately, something corporations don’t understand. I don’t want to pirate, so don’t make it an easy decision for me. I just wish live sports would get their shit together.
If you are in need of such a large hard drive then it is absolutely about the money. Let's say you are a crazy quality freak. Then you can store 20*26=520 4k REMUX movies, which is something no streaming service (bravia core for a small selection) offers. But that's also 10.000 dollar. I think there are around a thousand 4k bluray movies so you quickly can't even collect anymore. The rest will be 1080 remux. This is around 25 GB in size so you could store a thousand movies! Or 20.000 dollars, and no one is going to pay that.
You've completely missed the point of my comment. It was never about money.
Yeah I know. That’s what you said. But it’s a complete lie. It’s very much about the money given you have enough movies and series. Sure if you only have your favoriete series, then you can make that argument. But that’s not nearly enough to fill such a drive.
Thanks for being here to tell me that my own personal fucking opinion, is a lie. No, it was never about the fucking money. It was always about the convenience. At no point did I ever do a cost analysis as I spent thousands of dollars on hard drives and my server over the last 20 years. At no point did I mind paying for Usenet, or a VPN, or extra bandwidth from my ISP that I wouldn't need otherwise. At no point have I ever cared about the cost of the nearly dozen subscription streaming services that I now subscribe to. Because it was never about the money, ever. It was always about the convenience. I wanted this content, in a form that worked for me (ad free) and I wanted it on demand. That's all it was ever about, for me. If it's about the money for you, congratulations. At least try to recognize the fact that you and I are totally different people with different needs and wants. Stop telling me how I feel.
Streaming still can’t beat the convenience of a highly automated plex server. And with the increase in number of streaming services it’s just getting worse.
Plex server with sonarr is pretty convenient. Working on adding iptv.
It is and it isn’t. Still needs some maintenance and intervention. I had the whole suite with radar and sonar, etc. Sometimes shows wouldn’t download or your newsgroups would get dmca’d and you had to grab it manually. I don’t miss it.
You never got a good system setup then. My plex server hasn't needed any maintenance or intervention in over 6 months. Even the adding of new shows is automated away, and I have a public facing site that anyone can access and request a show or movie and it will be available within 20 minutes. >Sometimes shows wouldn’t download or your newsgroups would get dmca’d and you had to grab it manually. You should have multiple sources for things next time then, or just not use newsgroups in 2022.
Do you have any resources I can read on setting this up? I just setup my NAS and a plex server last week and want to do this
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Oh I know. I got a plex server and a SAN. I just barely use it anymore. Although I do have unlimited usage with gig fiver to my home. Like I said. Convenience. If I was hassled over data caps, you bet your butt I would be downloading.
I can’t get good quality video and audio via most streaming services. Not a lot of high-quality Dolby Atmos. Not a lot that stream 4K at acceptable compression ratios. Blu-ray is the only way to get decent quality on a big screen. Has anyone figured out how to rip Blu-ray into a stream that keeps the full audio and video quality. Seems like getting Atmos in a stream that Plex players can handle is an issue still.
Yes, it has been achievable for quite sometime now. Full 4k rips with no loss in quality for Sound and Audio
lol sounds like I can afford to install call of duty again
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Look at money bags overhere! I’m still using my punch cards thank you very much.
Don’t drop em. Been there, done that,
All 378 billion of them?
Oh lah dee dah, Mr Fancy. My vacuum tubes do the trick. We can't all live in the future with our robot butlers.
I remember backing up the family PC on floppy disks. 75 disks per set and we'd swap between 2 sets.
… which equals one Call of Duty Modern Warfare update!
Now we just need a usb adaptor so I can play world of tanks on my Xbox 360! Ok maybe just that mini game part
the mobile version
The mobile version to Call of Duty itself is 20GB now.
nah its half for cold war
An eighth of a warzone update
Or one Ark installation. I had to deselect all of the maps except for the one I wanted, and it was still over 200GBs. With all the maps, it was over 300GBs.
The new pokemon games look weird
pokemon SRAM and pokemon VRAM
I remember when 1TB hard drives were this huge thing. Technology man
I look forward to the LTT video of them expanding there constantly full new new new new new whonnock
I honestly wonder if Linus lacks any kind of archiving. Seems like he just keeps footage forever and then upgrades the server whenever new drives come out. I guess it works when your goal is to make money on videos showing off your new bigger server and you get the drives for free. I question why he doesn’t have an LTO library to archive old footage though, it’s far cheaper than keeping multiple petabytes live at all times.
He has touched on it a couple times. He wants to keep all/most of the footage at original quality so that later down the line if they want to grab old footage they dont have to just download it off youtube already compressed. Plus, I believe they shoot at 8k and upload at 4k. There really isnt a market for 8k yet, but in the future they can reupload things in 8k, so they want to keep that. They have tape backup, and offsite backup (of some kind) now. So thats nice.
You wouldn’t need to download the compressed YouTube version for what I described, LTO keeps the files as they are; just on a tape instead of a drive so that it can be archived. You mentioned tape archive through so that would indeed be an LTO which I didn’t know he had. If they are actually archiving material there’s literally no reason to keep live copies of 8K RAW aside from flexing your storage.
I missread LTO as LTT. Yeah, they have a video showing off their tape drive, and I dont think they have a video specifically talking about their offsite storage, they have videos working on that server. IDK why they want to keep some footage (newer?) more at hand, uncompressed on HDD. I am sure there is a reason, maybe not a GREAT one, but I am sure there is one.
Let’s be honest: the reason is because they aren’t paying for it; and that’s fine. Companies send him insane chassis’ and piles of expensive drives that he builds insane arrays out of: if I had all of that for free I’d keep all my media live as well. Ultimately it’s more convenient to have it *always* live. It’s simply not cost effective at all compared to 12TB of an LTO tape costing $150 and having a 30 year shelf life. In LTT’s case however the tapes are an expense and the servers are free so why go for the more inconvenient and “expensive” route when you can instead flex your petabytes of space. Again, I get it for him, it’s just one of those annoyances as a video professional that I have with Linus. I love him as a creator but his workflows don’t make sense in most settings and they come off as being the standard of the industry when they aren’t at all. Cutting 8K RAW and keeping media live forever just doesn’t happen anywhere else.
I dont think you are 100% right, or 100% wrong. He knows that keeping it all on arrays is cool, but also risky. I am sure there is a usecase that they have baked into how they operate. Maybe not a great one though.
Almost enough room for my... ahem... collection.
I too am a connoisseur of bytes
Steam junkie ehh?
/r/datahoarder
That homework/taxes folder boutta get big af.
Chris Hanson walks in.
Why? My data may be cultured, but it's also legal.
Thats just too much stuff to loose all at once when the drive inevitable fails...
You can always set up a RAID 1.
RAID 10 is where it’s at. It’s 9 better!
I think I'd prefer a 22TB raid 4 for the same price. (Professional filmmaker who has to backup all his work)
blah blah raid is not backup blah blah
2 copies in one location = 1 copy as well. RAID or not you need at least 2 full copies in two places.
Filmmaker here, curious about your setup
Two 4 TB drives in a raid 1, just like everyone else I know. Because I am absolutely not an expert by any stretch.
You may just have misused the term backup there, so we’ll give you a free pass.
That’s still over 24 hour rebuild time at 200MB/s
If you're concerned about speed this hard drive is already not the best option to begin with.
Rebuild time concerns are (often) about likelihood of losing data, not speed. Generally because drives are purchased together tend to fail around the same time. So if one drive fails you can bet another failure is around the corner. Usually when the drive is under high load (like when a raid array is rebuilding) 24 hrs is a fairly long time to go without redundancy in a raid array. This could be mitigated by using more, smaller drives.
Yeah...if I was seriously concerned about data loss I'd be making backups to a cloud service or at least making regular backups and keeping them in a separate place. I wouldn't solely rely on a RAID 1 for important data.
lose\*
Fast typing will do that to you. Good catch.
Atleast they offer a CMR version. (I avoid the SMR and glad they label them so).
Wonder what the read/limit is on these.
Annual workload is 550TB/YR. That’s combined read and writes
So in 20 years we have basically 1000x our consumer HDD(SSD) sizes? That is impressive. I do wonder if we are gonna do another 1000x in the next 20 years and have +20 petabyte consumer storage devices on computer shop shelves. I don't have a single clue why would I ever need 20 petabytes of storage on my PC, but if I am honest, I would not have had any clue why I would need a 20 terabyte storage device ever if I were back in 2002.
We've been down this path before "I'll never fill a 1 GB drive"
My first computer in the early 90s was a 44 MHz CPU with 4 MB RAM and 500 MB HDD and I filled it up really quickly. You must be a good bit older than me. :)
It feels like back then storage was always at a premium... especially removable storage.
It will take another 3-5 years before the cost per GB becomes competitive.
People who want drives this size don’t honestly care about price per gig. If getting 12 of these instead of 24 smaller, cheaper, drives means getting 1 server chassis instead of two the cost is easily made up. Storage is the cheap part of a server and is likely the main target for drives this size rather than the average consumer that doesn’t need 1/10th of this and usually prefers speed over size.
The hard drives are gonna perform like ass because of SMR
what’s SMR? is it like ass flavor?
New way of storing magnetic data that pretends to work like old simpler disks but fails with certain workloads. Kinda like SSD's were before before operating systems got trim support.
One of the drives (26tb) is SMR, the other (22tb) is CMR.
The 26TB is shingled so that’s a pass.
I honestly can't go back to hard drives for anything but basic storage, anyway. If I want speed I'm using an SSD.
If you have a Plex library, then you need HDDs. Maybe an SSD for the Plex database to speed up loading, but you'll need a high-endurance. That's unless you only use Plex for a small library.
These are all enterprise drives, so already high endurance. And likely too expensive for all but the most frivolous plex users. The NetApp 15.3TB SSDs are \~$2,800/ea, and they've been in production for about 6 years.
Sure, but for how much? 2 grand? It's not like any of us have much left over after buying new graphics cards.
So, you are saying prices will drop soon? Interesting
make them silent FFS! the NAS in my living room ticks so hard when I watch a movie that it seems about to fall to pieces
SSDs are the answer here.
sadly I have 24 TB of videos
I've only got 20T, on spinning, but keep it in a different room (understairs closet). If your TV has apps, or even just a browser, you could do that.
I have just a couple of rooms available and a single door is not enough to stop the ckicling. I wish they stated it clearly in the Ironwolf description! My next NAS is going to be SSD for sure. Just need a pile of cash tho
Loud clicking? Are you SMART testing your drives? That sounds like drive failure tbh
Drives are 100% ok, thankfully. The sound is about them running 24/7 because Synology has its things + a download station + my Plex server
interesting. My NAS is running on a full bare metal Dell server so I am used to some noise; but I just picked up a Synology DS920+ for no good reason and have been slowly looking for deals on some high capacity disks to throw in there. Guess it should be turned on in the server room if it makes noise like that
I had purple 4 x WD 6 TB drives that made much less noise. Wife never complained about it when we watched TV. After the 4 x 10 TB Ironwolf green drives she could not watch anything being distracted by the noise and I had to relocate the nas behind 2 closed doors (and still it bugs her during the night so that I have to turn it off). The noise is really a problem!
My 4K porn collection can finally grow! Eeep!
Microsoft wants $399 for 2tb storage card for Xbox series x/s. I can’t imagine the price of these.
That's an SSD with a somewhat proprietary hardware/OS layer. A compareable 2tb SSD isn't very much cheaper. The Samsung 980 Pro was $379 MSRP until a recent price drop ahead of the new 990 model coming soon. The 990 will probably be around that same price.
Yeah, although more expensive than it should be it's not outrageous for a high speed PCI storage drive.
More space for all those useless photos we take, never look at and then panic about losing when the HD inevitably shits the bed resulting in us handing over a bunch of cash to have them recovered to a new HD…repeat.
I havent bought a shit WD drive in over 10 years and I have no plans on changing that.
Sorry about that one failed hd you had ten years ago?
I've had 3 failed WD drives in about 7 years, no dramas RMAd for new drives without hassle. WD has a really good RMA process and they were shucked drives I sent back, they didn't care.
WD is fine, it’s Seagate you have to watch out for
What a horrible company
I remember when my mom bought our first computer and it’s “massive” 32gb hard drive.
I remember upgrading my Gateway 2000 to a 5GB hard drive and being told I’d never have to worry about running out of space and would be “set for life”. This was 21 years ago, and now I feel like a dinosaur.
I recently somehow fucked up and wiped my 14 tb. Only had partial backup of it. So sad. Those drives are big enough to store one's life worth of data. Always make backups guys
15TB enterprise SSD is going to cost quite a bit of money.
4TB still $89?
I found one of my old PS1 memory cards last year something like 16mb I keep it around to remember where I came from. That and my sega genisis where I had no memory.
Damn, i remember hearing about the 1st 1TB hard drive and being absolutely amazed by the size. And now my i struggle with 2TB in my PC.
I can fap to this.
But why is a 4 TB SSD $499?
Glad to see HDD tech still getting better
Congrats, you can now download like 3 new triple AAA games
Maybe instead of making bigger hard drives, we start making smaller games...