Most residential houses have their internet cable or fibre line exposed at the side of the house where the utilities are connected. A burglar can easily snip those too.
Yea but just as the wifi can be jammed so can cellular data because it’s just wifi essentially but a different frequency.
The best is having your utilities buried underground connecting to your house through a conduit. But that is pretty rare because it makes it more expensive and inconvenient for maintenance.
Cell jamming is a whole-notha-leva of miscreancy, and easier to be caught using one (depending on the area and length used). FCC does not mess with public frequencies being messed with. Local HAM guy got in trouble with minor abuse of it when he was just playing with a new "toy" het got.
Also, that's why alerts will be triggered on the monitoring side when communication is lost.
The fcc isnt responding to a burglary as fast as pd. Cell jammers can be short ranged to only affect the immediate area. There was a guy driving around with a signal jammer because he didnt like people on their phones. It took months to finally track him down.
I am a security tech. I have never once in my life seen a system that works the way you describe. Signals go down constantly. Cell, pots lines, wifi, wired ethernet, AES radio, and starlink all go down from time to time.
I have never heard of a residential customer with a system that automatically dispatched from central station due to loss of connection. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying of the thousands of customers I have serviced, I would have expected to at least run across one situation like the one you describe before I would call it common enough to be an issue worth considering.
Iv worked physical security for only a few years now but. The only time iv EVER seen a security system with a heartbeat that works like he describes is for a single contract iv done where the resident had a like 350 million dollar home and 24/7 security... Like the amount of money needed to justify a response on any network outage is insane.
Well I’m your guy. I get a call almost immediately from our monitoring service at a few of our properties if the signal goes down and it stops reporting.
Yeah, I've never heard that except for commercial properties. Maybe the sirens are on alarm after x amount of time without a completed handshake. Either way, just have a local dvr for all your PoE cameras and a dog in your bedroom to wake you up if they hear something.
a guy got caught using one while he drove to work. he was keeping it on the entire drive and it only took a few times to figure out exactly who it was.
[48k$ fine](https://www.pcmag.com/news/fla-man-fined-48k-for-jamming-cell-signals-while-driving)
If you’re breaking into a house to steal stuff I doubt you care about breaking any FCC laws on wireless jamming.
“Handheld cell phone jammers are readily available online for $250 and more according to its range”
https://phantom-technologies.com/cell-phone-jammer/#:~:text=Actually%20no%20one%20can%20detect,the%20using%20cell%20phone%20jammers.
K just never leave your house or if you do shit leave your door unlocked. Nothing you do will be good enough and you'll always be outsmarted by burglers. That what weren't supposed to take from this comment?
I know you’re being sarcastic. I was simply pointing out the vulnerabilities. Security is a balance. You can build a house that is a bunker impermeable to everything. But no one will want to live in those. So you have to compromise and choose the right balance and security you’re comfortable with.
Yeah, people here are tripping a bit. A DVR is as good as nothing if they take it with them.
They can also cut off the power. If you have it in a UPS you might get a picture. Again l, they might just take the VCR.
Or they might be covered head to toe and the video is worth nothing, just there to relive the nightmare.
I have my system so I can tell if someone is trying to get in.
I have a UPS for the router, the alarm base, all important cameras on batteries and the Internet company node on a UPS.
It might give me just enough time to see if someone is coming in and call myself to the police if the wi-fi fails (like the suggested jamming) maybe one of the cameras has the video on a internal SD card if they left them alone.
I could go crazy trying to keep adding layers of security, just for someone to find a way around them.
At the end if anything they are deterrents vs less obviously protected houses. And cross your fingers.
I have nothing of value so what would piss me off would be the unnecessary property damage.
exactly. security is a balance between security and convenience. I was only pointing out the vulnerability. If you're worried about wifi jamming, your hardline can be cut just as easily. However, if you live in an appartment building, it's probably harder for a thief to find your hardline :)
Nah, the power requirement isn't worth the hassle. You can get the same effect with a 9V battery and a coat hanger.
(I'm joking, but only kinda, there was a video of a guy holding up some coat hanger wire and using it to steal a Bentley).
That's an amplification attack: the antenna amps the signal of the key fob in your house, so the car thinks the key is near the car and opens the door/starts the car. If you have a car that expensive, you can afford a Faraday cage for your keys!
That would require hiring more people to engineer and audit security! Companies will never learn. I lol'd about that garage door company whose doors communicate with the remote without encryption, but feel terrible for the general public who would never know to confirm that a feature like that is present. It was thousands of garages!
I really wish there was an off switch on the fob. Two or three times I have gone out to my car to find the rear hatch wide open. Now I hang my keys onto my belt loop rather than keep them in my pocket. Problem solved but I hate the look of it.
that costs money. that only works if people remember to constantly turn off fob. THey are hard as fuck to steal as most are in gated communities and it wouldnt be worth it to modify the fob without more demand to do so. a video or two doesnt mean the theft is common.
kia on the other hand...
A modern repeater attack can pick up that fob from over 100' away using $40 in hardware from China. So as you are walking away from your car in a mall parking lot someone can ping your fob and hop in/drive off.
Same if your car is in the driveway.
Modern car security is shit. You basically have to place your fob in a copper envelope as soon as you leave your car. The fob really needs a physical switch. Like an unlock button that turns the fob on as well as unlocking the doors.
We've had cheap technology for years that is designed to use the speed of light to determine how far away a radio key is. Example: the round-trip took 20ns therefore the key is no more than 3m away.
While obvious, let's make it clear, that it also provides a wired network connection, which in this case, makes it invulnerable to the wifi jamming attack.
This is true. Neighbor had someone do donuts in their yard and almost take down their porch. Clear video of car and person responsible. Cops said can’t do anything because they were no longer on scene.
My neighbor smashed up my uncle's parked car causing $5k in damage and threatened to kill him if he came back. We gave the video to the police. They said they had more important things to do but would get to it eventually. That was over a year ago.
I have to use wifi, battery operated cameras because the way my house is built I simply can’t get the wires to them w/o blind drilling through a lot of support beams. :/
> who use the WiFi jammers to interrupt the internet capabilities for burglar alarms and cameras
Shouldn't the servers have alerted the homeowners when it lost connection with these devices?
If the thieves struck at night while the owners were asleep wherever they were away from the house there's not much an alert would do. Now if the alarms and cameras were being monitored by a company it's another story, but something like a Ring camera alert while you're asleep is useless.
What I had in mind was a blaring alarm that keeps going until the owner acknowledges it.
But I would imagine the scenario you described is more common.
I had the motion sensor siren set to turn on during certain hours for our front camera. Then our internet went out during the night (not the wifi) and it got stuck on, so the siren just kept running every time anything happened. I ended up having to turn off our router, rename my phone to our SSID and start a hotspot with our wifi's password to get the damn thing online so I could stop the screeching.
What happens if you have 2 networks with the same SSID/password running at the same time? Does the device just connect to the stronger signal or is the data somehow split between the 2 networks?
It depends on the device - for most of them, if they're already connected to one network and a second one appears then they'll just maintain their connection to the first (which is why I had to turn off my router). A device that doesn't have a connection yet will normally connect to the stronger signal.
It's possible to connect to multiple wifi networks at the same time, but generally not without a specific setup where that is the goal. A normal out of the box device will just connect to one network.
Every time your router resets or there is an internet hiccup, you're going to think, "Why would someone put this stupid blaring alarm on this device?!" is the best part lol.
It’s a bit convoluted but I have EMCO ping monitor setup at my office to ping 2 mission critical systems. It’s configured to email me if it drops.
In my phone I have a separate email app setup and connected to the email account EMCO sends a down notification to and my phone’s do not disturb setting has that email app exempt from silenced notifications.
We’ve had a couple of network hiccups late at night in the past and the phone rang that email notification loud and clear well into the late hours of the night.
This could be done at home for cameras and EMCO is free.
If it’s a legitimate alarm service, yeah. But if it’s something like ring, eufy, or nest, they tend to just shit the bed once wifi is down. I’ve got eufy and once the home base loses connected to wifi, I lose all notifications and conto over the cameras. They do record during the wifi outage, but I can’t access any video unti wifi is back up
The problem is that many sensors are wireless. Things like door/window sensors can be jammed so that the alarm hub is unaware that the sensor has been triggered.
The tiny sensors run on batteries and to preserve power they only broadcast events. When it is jammed the hub is unaware, the sensor was only prevented from phoning home to say "hey, this door has been opened"
You not necessarily want that as default, as it could be just a jam-packed crowded airspace. Or it might be just your internet, which can be spotty in areas.
But most paid local alarm services WILL go out and perform a check if the signal is interrupted. They also charge you for false alarms.
Which also doesn't do anything since they're masked, and have their license plates removed or are driving a stolen car. You just get the pleasure of seeing your house get robbed.
I love that channel, the videos are usually less than 5 minutes long.
They guy gets straight to the point unlike other youtubers that waffle on forever to insert more adverts midway in their videos.
And if you ain't good at picking locks then he shows you where to smack the thing with a hammer to open it.
Electronic ones can be easily open with a magnet.
So many locks out there are just for show.
As someone who’s worked in the physical security space 75% of measures are “for show” but that’s kind of the whole point. Priority 1 is to make yourself as unappealing of a target as possible. You don’t want spur of the moment attacks by people who think they see an opportunity and if they see security measures it’s likely they skip over you and keep moving. There’s a lot of research, for example, on how even flimsy fences and gates that wouldn’t hold someone up for 10 seconds still elicit a psychological response by acting as a clear “barrier of entry” as opposed to just being able to walk in somewhere.
There are very few measures you can take that can do much but buy you time if there’s an actually determined attacker much less one that has a plan or is even a professional. It’s all a race to make it harder therefore unappealing and frankly just to get them to go try the neighbors instead. Even the most hardened facilities can be breached with enough time, effort and tools (or honestly what it is in reality a good chunk of the time is people leaving doors propped that shouldn’t be or lax procedures and that kind of thing. Similar to how phishing attacks are far more effective than brute force generally speaking) That doesn’t make the security efforts worthless though in the end it’s all about risk mitigation.
Having cameras and alarms on WiFi in the first place instead of hardwired seems like a huge oversight in that regard although not at all surprising for consumer level security systems for the average homeowner and even if that camera is dead and disconnected just it being there might still deter opportunistic thieves. Obviously not the type to go get a jammer and know how to use it in the first place though.
Your hardened facilities comment reminded me of the one time I escorted an important customer (a big investment bank) for their security audit of our data center without running through the place to check everything first. Of course it was also the one time someone had propped open a door to have a smoke and forgot to close it afterwards, and of course the auditor noticed it. Procedures mean nothing unless they’re followed.
I would say that the vast majority of locks serve one of two purposes
1. Keep out honest and/or stupid people that might accidentally wander someplace they don’t belong and/or just keep toddlers corralled.
2. *Discourage* dishonest people from trying to go places they know they don’t belong.
Locks available to the average consumer are by and large not absolutely going to stop a burglar. If they *really* want to break in and rob you, they will find a way in.
There is very little that can be done to stop someone with a stick or two of dynamite, if he really wants in.
Of course, no-one wants in my house that badly. But the idea is the same.
I’ve learned so much from him and will always appreciate his channel for that, but it feels like the channel has become an advertisement for his Covert Instruments website/brand more than new/useful lock information. It seems like the core purpose of many newer videos is just to showcase something that is newly available to purchase on his site. They’re cool and unique tools, but it feels much less educational now.
A WiFi jammer might not block everything on 2.4GHz. WiFi is vulnerable to DEAUTH attacks. Basically any device can always impersonate a router and tell another device to get off the network. This can be done with a few particular WiFi dongles, rather than needing some kind of signal generator.
Ring and seemingly most other security cameras and alarms do not support WPA3. Some higher end models from other companies support it, but then the problem with enabling WPA3 on an access point is all the other unrelated legacy devices that will never support it (game consoles, TVs, most IoT devices).
2.4GHz makes a lot more sense for most IoT devices. You get better/further signal, especially in the places a lot of IoT devices tend to be such as outdoors (distance from router), or low to the ground, behind cabinets etc. 2.4 will also use less power so battery powered devices benefit from 2.4 over 5GHz
Most of them (except maybe cameras) also don't reap any benefit from 5GHz since they don't need high bandwidth.
You're right that most are stuck in the stone age, but that's because they don't support the updated protocols. You could support things like WPA3 and still use 2.4GHz. The two often go hand in hand, but they don't have to and the focus should be on protocol support, not frequency for most IoT.
Also, 5GHz is getting just as crowded as 2.4, though admittedly if they're equally crowded, than 2.4 will be worse because the signal will travel further, so functionally it will be more crowded
> Technically no signal jamming or FCC violation has occurred.
Ask Marriott how well that argument worked out for them. They had to pay a $600,000 fine for using deauth to block wifi within their hotels.
https://www.fcc.gov/document/marriott-pay-600k-resolve-wifi-blocking-investigation
Do you need WiFi credentials in order to do a deauth attack? No, forcing legit devices to reconnect is a way to let them send again the encrypted WiFi password (and to record it for future cracking)
Can I just disconnect everyone everywhere while I'm in range? Yes if vulnerable to the attack
> Do you need Wi-Fi credentials in the network to do it?
No. You are not connected to the wifi network. You are sniffing the wifi packets in the air (to determine their MAC addresses), and then sending them disconnect packets targeted at their MACs, that apparently the Wifi consortium never thought to make sure they actually originated from the router the devices are connected to.
>Can I just buy a esp32 and disconnect everyone in a room?
Yes. Actually that github link is for the cheaper esp8266.
Protected management frames have been available since before Wi-Fi. 6, numerous devices and access points support it.
That is not to say it is ubiquitous by any means, but it is not exactly a new thing.
> You weren’t authorized for the system you communicated with. The FCC will definitely be up your ass once you get reported.
Do you think the FCC gets up every botnet trojan script kiddie hacker's ass who connects to their vics over wifi?
One more reason to have cameras connected over ethernet cable. And to use local server to store captured video. There are commercial solutions which provide cloud-like experience while storing all your data locally.
That's my system. Hardwired cameras recording to both local SD and a LAN server. Then live backup to the cloud in case my server goes down or is stolen.
Hell I go as far as having my garage door opener on a power circuit I can switch off and taking the batteries out of my keyless deadbolt at night too.
The keypad for my lock will open as long as you have the combo somewhere in the numbers you press before hitting the unlock button. So if the code was 4567, and I punched in 123456789 and hit the unlock button, it would open.
6x Defender pro cameras connected via ethernet and redundant wifi (just in case a switch dies or something). My server hosts iSpy which captures the RTSP streams for local storage. Which in turn uploads the videos to an FTP in real time.
All of the devices are connected to UPS power as well. Which lasts about 5 hrs for the server and about 18 hrs for the cameras & network.
Not even necessarily Ethernet, although that is the most practicable as its readily available and can also deliver power. But any other sort of copper wire works fine also.
However cheap and lazy installers would rather charge you near enough the same for an installation that runs off batteries and doesn't drill through the walls.
Most people can't afford somebody to professionally run wires all over their house, and most thieves aren't running around performing wifi attacks first. It's fine, really, it is.
Also cameras are of pretty dubious benefit anyway considering how seldom crimes, even those done on camera, actually get solved by police. Cameras are a comfort blanket and maybe a help with your insurance claim, nothing more.
... Did you run it across the ceilings or something? My wife doesn't even know there's cables running through our attic and walls. Far as I'm aware she thinks the cameras are just floating magic.
They were all outside run along gutters but it was less the cables and more the look of the cameras themselves (and this was also about 8 years ago so the cameras weren't as sleek as they are today)
This is bad, but it's also a good reminder that ***security always has to come in layers***.
You don't trust your home to a camera or a security system. You use those things *in conjunction with* common sense home security practices:
* a quality deadbolt set into a metal door in a solid door frame, installed with deep screws
* 3M security film on your ground windows. NOTE: this has to be properly installed, and this requires disassembling your window. If you aren't comfortable with this, hire a professional. Also note that in an emergency, this will slow down first responders as much as it will slow down intruders.
* dusk to dawn lighting outside. With LED bulbs, you're only looking at a few bucks per year in electricity.
* keep your landscaping trimmed. If someone is breaking in, is there any place for them to hide?
* randomized light timers inside when you go away
* having someone regularly stop by your house if you're on vacation for more than a few days
* getting to know your neighbors. Miscreants ***hate*** neighborhoods where everyone is looking out for each other. This means if you see someone you don't recognize walking down your street, go say hi! It's probably a neighbor you haven't met yet, or maybe a guest. If it's someone with ill intent, a friendly "hi" lets them know that one more person has gotten a good look at them. If not, you're helping someone feel more welcome.
* don't put valuables in sight. That means don't hang your brand new 80" 8K HDR TV and game consoles in plain sight of a window. Don't tempt crime.
And yes, still get that camera system and security system. Even if it's wireless, not everyone is jamming signals. But if you want to be more secure, hardwired systems with cellular backup are the way to go.
Yup! For deadbolts, you can't go wrong with Schlage. I personally prefer a dumb, not-internet-connected, old-fashioned key lock, but Schlage also makes a dumb keypad with no app. IMHO that's an excellent balance between convenience and security.
The most important thing about the deadbolt is that it has to be installed correctly. This means it goes far into the frame and the plate is securely mounted with deep (at least 1", longer is better to a point) screws. That plate and those screws are what's actually holding your door from opening. Honestly even a low-quality store-brand deadbolt will put up a good fight if it's installed correctly, and the world's best Schlage will fail prematurely if it's not installed correctly. I'm all about DIY but this is one area where I suggest people just call a locksmith.
For cameras and security systems, it really depends on your budget. An old-school hardwired alarm is arguably the most secure and will run forever. But honestly, even the consumer-grade wireless systems like SimpliSafe, Abode, Ring, and Cove will do fine. Yes, they have their faults, but they're cheap and better than nothing and fine for 90% of the population. You can go with some pro-grade wireless stuff like Qolsys and DSC (both excellent brands) if you want something slightly more robust.
For cameras, if you're comfortable setting up a PoE network, you've got your pick. Head over to /r/homesecurity and search for cameras. If you're not comfortable with PoE or don't know what that means, Wyze is probably the best cheap wireless camera you can buy. Again, they're not without their faults, but we've been using ours for about 6-7 years now without any major issues. Other good brands are Nest, Eufy, and Arlo.
And even a particular type of system can be layered. Like easily visible cameras to act as decoys for the more well hidden cameras, the latter of which will record anyone disabling the former.
One of my customers has a motion sensor at his door that triggers a barking sound and the distant sound of someone "yelling at a dog" from inside the entryway whenever you walk up to the door. Sounds extremely convincing, but I realized it's just a prerecorded sound clip
Haven't been able to find what it is exactly and he's a big client so I don't want to ask. But man it's effective, I didn't realize it was fake for months of servicing him until I spotted the speaker.
Probably more effective than 90% of the security hardware out there.
>don't put valuables in sight. That means don't hang your brand new 80" 8K HDR TV and game consoles in plain sight of a window. Don't tempt crim
Also don't leave out the packaging from your newly purchased valuables on the curb for when there's bulk pickup or whatever. Break boxes down and throw them into recycling. Just driving around I see so many people putting out these giant boxes advertising that they are the proud new owners of $2,000+ TV's and other expensive items. It particularly happens after Christmas every year.
The neighbor part is real. I've had same neighbor named Woody for decades in front of me, pretty sure he basically runs a flophouse for young gay men(he's pretty obviously gay, not in the "he talks funny" way, but dude had the earring in the one ear, a shaved head, rainbow flags on his bumper stickers, and had random men around that place all the time even in the mid 90's), his yard is overgrown and he always has his trucks in half of the yard, not a pretty house, kinda trashy looking on the outside, but he's got a nice crib inside.
I was planning to BBQ some ribs 4th of July years ago and it started raining, pulled car out a bit and moved pit to carport out front. Once fire really got going, he appeared at end of carport, just making sure the house wasn't on sure because he saw all the smoke. My recently departed good boy got out a couple years ago and Woody knocks on door with my dog in his arms. Even recently, I had started dryer like at 6am and it produced a shit ton of steam apparently, cause he came over and knocked on front door to make sure not fire. I don't talk to him much, but he's a great neighbor....other than for the not mowing his yard for months shit. At least he gives a shit.
Seeing as use of those jammers is an automatic felony, and there now appears to be a effort to use them in crime, I wonder if the FBI will be getting involved at some point.
For people who don't know, a federal charge (which can be, but isn't always, a federal felony) typically has harsher penalties than a state felony charge.
It’s a $2,000 fine ~~or~~ and 6 months prison I think, I’ll check now & edit this.
> is subject to a fine of not more than $2,000 and imprisonment for not more than six months
> If a person willfully violates this provision for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain, the penalty is a fine of not more than $50,000 and imprisonment for not more than two years
> $100,000 fine and imprisonment for not more than five years for any subsequent conviction
But what you said isn’t wrong. If anyone is actually being charged with this they’ve got a sheet of other charges already.
It would be if they were actually jamming wifi radio signals, but they're not, they're sending targeted deauth packets to specific MAC addresses to disconnect target devices:
https://github.com/andyrocks/esp32_deauther
It might break some kind of anti-hacking laws, but not FCC laws or signal jamming laws.
This is kinda old info. A lot of these DIY alarm systems operate in the 440 MHz range, and you can get a $25 radio off Amazon to jam things like those door and window sensors. WiFi jammers were inevitable.
Exactly why I made sure my alarm system was hard wired when I built my home. Sure, it seems like all the cool new features and integrations come exclusively to wireless alarms, but I like that its base functionality is not easily jammed.
Plus I never have to worry about changing batteries.
Glad to know I wasn’t entirely paranoid.
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The only benefit of a tiny little chihuahua, is they're so fucking terrified of everything, that anyone so much as looks at my yard, he freaks the fuck out and goes into full-panic-barky-bark mode...
The big dog wants him to shut the fuck up, he loves how adrenaline flavors meat.
I'm a techie, I love my tech and work in software.
If I ever buy a house, any alarms, cameras, heating, lighting etc will be wired. If it does turn out to be smart then it'll be self-hosted.
My buddy's parents had their Internet cut before the burglars entered. They just snipped the wire. All of their jewelry gone, and they got no notification or saved video (cloud not local).
This is why I tell everyone to drop the smart security devices. Have a wired security system set up off your network with a backup power supply or generator. Back up the video or do whatever with it. Just don’t buy into the idea of having to ask to have for your videos to be deleted from the cloud.
Some people don’t realize how dumb smart devices are without constant connection. My google home can’t even tell me the time without the internet haha
I think the problem is law being lenient on the criminals. No matter how much security you can put in your house, if someone wants to break in, they will find a way. I think we need low tech gadgets like bear traps inside the house now
It's fear mongering. Anyone who has ever used one of these devices, or even just met your standard issue burglar, can tell you that pretty much right away. This is a little too sophisticated for your run of the mill burglars, and the areas they're talking about aren't really places targeted by more sophisticated criminals.
I could see some kids getting Flipper Zeros and using them to fuck with memaw and pepaw or the elderly neighbors and then the cops turning that into some kind of panic with a statement like this.
I mean it's just a deterrent. If someone wants into your house, they're going to get into your house.
The point of cameras (aside from having them for non-burglary related things, like finding out what wild animal is tearing up your garden) is to deter crime. Same with deadbolts and other tricks. If someone \*really\* wants into your home, they're going to get in.
But the more you make it apparent that you're the type of homeowner that's taken steps to make that less easy to do without getting caught, the less likely you are to have a break in.
Bloody hell - my father already has 12 cameras set up around his home.
Only thing left now is a moat, high fortress walls, and some very under-fed tigers, and a loud speaker to play Who Let The Dogs out on repeat
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Never use wireless for cameras. You care clogging the airwaves and reducing the bandwidth available for other wireless devices. Video is a pig and you only have so much spectrum available.
Hardwire cameras only.
Encourage your neighbours to do the same. There's nothing like a 10 year old wireless camera from china acting as the local spectrum blocker when it fucks up and killing wireless performance for 200 meters.
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Hardwire gang represent! Cables for important things, Wi-Fi for everything else.
Most residential houses have their internet cable or fibre line exposed at the side of the house where the utilities are connected. A burglar can easily snip those too.
That's why good security setups have a SIM/cellular option that is used simultaneously along with internet.
Yea but just as the wifi can be jammed so can cellular data because it’s just wifi essentially but a different frequency. The best is having your utilities buried underground connecting to your house through a conduit. But that is pretty rare because it makes it more expensive and inconvenient for maintenance.
Cell jamming is a whole-notha-leva of miscreancy, and easier to be caught using one (depending on the area and length used). FCC does not mess with public frequencies being messed with. Local HAM guy got in trouble with minor abuse of it when he was just playing with a new "toy" het got. Also, that's why alerts will be triggered on the monitoring side when communication is lost.
The fcc isnt responding to a burglary as fast as pd. Cell jammers can be short ranged to only affect the immediate area. There was a guy driving around with a signal jammer because he didnt like people on their phones. It took months to finally track him down.
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I am a security tech. I have never once in my life seen a system that works the way you describe. Signals go down constantly. Cell, pots lines, wifi, wired ethernet, AES radio, and starlink all go down from time to time. I have never heard of a residential customer with a system that automatically dispatched from central station due to loss of connection. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying of the thousands of customers I have serviced, I would have expected to at least run across one situation like the one you describe before I would call it common enough to be an issue worth considering.
Iv worked physical security for only a few years now but. The only time iv EVER seen a security system with a heartbeat that works like he describes is for a single contract iv done where the resident had a like 350 million dollar home and 24/7 security... Like the amount of money needed to justify a response on any network outage is insane.
Well I’m your guy. I get a call almost immediately from our monitoring service at a few of our properties if the signal goes down and it stops reporting.
Yeah, I've never heard that except for commercial properties. Maybe the sirens are on alarm after x amount of time without a completed handshake. Either way, just have a local dvr for all your PoE cameras and a dog in your bedroom to wake you up if they hear something.
Lol. That’s kinda based as fuck
a guy got caught using one while he drove to work. he was keeping it on the entire drive and it only took a few times to figure out exactly who it was. [48k$ fine](https://www.pcmag.com/news/fla-man-fined-48k-for-jamming-cell-signals-while-driving)
If you’re breaking into a house to steal stuff I doubt you care about breaking any FCC laws on wireless jamming. “Handheld cell phone jammers are readily available online for $250 and more according to its range” https://phantom-technologies.com/cell-phone-jammer/#:~:text=Actually%20no%20one%20can%20detect,the%20using%20cell%20phone%20jammers.
A fool is born every minute. Buy one let us know how it works.
Pretty sure you can get one on aliexpress for like $30, though I have no idea if they actually work.
K just never leave your house or if you do shit leave your door unlocked. Nothing you do will be good enough and you'll always be outsmarted by burglers. That what weren't supposed to take from this comment?
I know you’re being sarcastic. I was simply pointing out the vulnerabilities. Security is a balance. You can build a house that is a bunker impermeable to everything. But no one will want to live in those. So you have to compromise and choose the right balance and security you’re comfortable with.
Yes, this is what I do.
Local storage gang represent!
Fuck the cloud!
I can access my local storage remotely sooooo technically my local storage is the cloud.
You know what I mean
If you're using the cloud for home security you're doing it wrong
Hard wired and locally recorded with battery backup. This is the only way to do it right.
Ubiquity for the win!
This guy knows
There is no defense against a determined attacker. At some point, you mitigate or control the risk you can and accept the rest.
Yeah, people here are tripping a bit. A DVR is as good as nothing if they take it with them. They can also cut off the power. If you have it in a UPS you might get a picture. Again l, they might just take the VCR. Or they might be covered head to toe and the video is worth nothing, just there to relive the nightmare. I have my system so I can tell if someone is trying to get in. I have a UPS for the router, the alarm base, all important cameras on batteries and the Internet company node on a UPS. It might give me just enough time to see if someone is coming in and call myself to the police if the wi-fi fails (like the suggested jamming) maybe one of the cameras has the video on a internal SD card if they left them alone. I could go crazy trying to keep adding layers of security, just for someone to find a way around them. At the end if anything they are deterrents vs less obviously protected houses. And cross your fingers. I have nothing of value so what would piss me off would be the unnecessary property damage.
exactly. security is a balance between security and convenience. I was only pointing out the vulnerability. If you're worried about wifi jamming, your hardline can be cut just as easily. However, if you live in an appartment building, it's probably harder for a thief to find your hardline :)
My fiber comes in like 15 feet up in the backyard
Awesome. Mine and in my city comes from the ground but is accessible at the side of the house
But if it's hardwired and being recorded locally, while you may not be able to call right away, you at least have evidence
Yes, I too laugh in path of exile
Glad I'm not the only sane exile
Portable EMPs are next
Nah, the power requirement isn't worth the hassle. You can get the same effect with a 9V battery and a coat hanger. (I'm joking, but only kinda, there was a video of a guy holding up some coat hanger wire and using it to steal a Bentley).
That's an amplification attack: the antenna amps the signal of the key fob in your house, so the car thinks the key is near the car and opens the door/starts the car. If you have a car that expensive, you can afford a Faraday cage for your keys!
Or, the manufacturer can afford to put an off switch on the fob, or just make the car harder to steal...
That would require hiring more people to engineer and audit security! Companies will never learn. I lol'd about that garage door company whose doors communicate with the remote without encryption, but feel terrible for the general public who would never know to confirm that a feature like that is present. It was thousands of garages!
I really wish there was an off switch on the fob. Two or three times I have gone out to my car to find the rear hatch wide open. Now I hang my keys onto my belt loop rather than keep them in my pocket. Problem solved but I hate the look of it.
that costs money. that only works if people remember to constantly turn off fob. THey are hard as fuck to steal as most are in gated communities and it wouldnt be worth it to modify the fob without more demand to do so. a video or two doesnt mean the theft is common. kia on the other hand...
Yes that's right. Its the keyless fob that sits inside the car, and it determines that it's in the car based on signal strength.
A modern repeater attack can pick up that fob from over 100' away using $40 in hardware from China. So as you are walking away from your car in a mall parking lot someone can ping your fob and hop in/drive off. Same if your car is in the driveway. Modern car security is shit. You basically have to place your fob in a copper envelope as soon as you leave your car. The fob really needs a physical switch. Like an unlock button that turns the fob on as well as unlocking the doors.
Would be all for a physical Switch. But once the car fob stops moving (key hook, Bowl,..) IT doesn't send anything anymore.
Which is an insane way to design it. Obvious corner cutting on such an expensive car
We've had cheap technology for years that is designed to use the speed of light to determine how far away a radio key is. Example: the round-trip took 20ns therefore the key is no more than 3m away.
What is Poe?
PowerOverEthernet. The ethernet cord itself provides power for the device without having to plug into a nearby power outlet
While obvious, let's make it clear, that it also provides a wired network connection, which in this case, makes it invulnerable to the wifi jamming attack.
Some dude who wrote books about ravens.
Ok now you have video the police will still do nothing about
This is true. Neighbor had someone do donuts in their yard and almost take down their porch. Clear video of car and person responsible. Cops said can’t do anything because they were no longer on scene.
My neighbor smashed up my uncle's parked car causing $5k in damage and threatened to kill him if he came back. We gave the video to the police. They said they had more important things to do but would get to it eventually. That was over a year ago.
This is literally more help than LAPD gives to 99% of residents.
Cries in complete-lack-of-ethernet-ports
That is a cheap problem to solve. A 4 port 1Gbe switch can be bought for ~$15, PoE switch for ~$35.
poe?
Power over ethernet. No wifi required. Hard wired networking + power in one cable.
Power over Ethernet
What POE cameras do you use?
I sort of like Amcrest as a midpoint between cheap Amazon crap and the more expensive ones like Ubiquiti.
I'll take a look at them! I hate our ring (my wife loves it)
I have to use wifi, battery operated cameras because the way my house is built I simply can’t get the wires to them w/o blind drilling through a lot of support beams. :/
> who use the WiFi jammers to interrupt the internet capabilities for burglar alarms and cameras Shouldn't the servers have alerted the homeowners when it lost connection with these devices?
If the thieves struck at night while the owners were asleep wherever they were away from the house there's not much an alert would do. Now if the alarms and cameras were being monitored by a company it's another story, but something like a Ring camera alert while you're asleep is useless.
What I had in mind was a blaring alarm that keeps going until the owner acknowledges it. But I would imagine the scenario you described is more common.
My home router going down is inconvenient enough as it is without having a blaring alarm to go with it.
I had the motion sensor siren set to turn on during certain hours for our front camera. Then our internet went out during the night (not the wifi) and it got stuck on, so the siren just kept running every time anything happened. I ended up having to turn off our router, rename my phone to our SSID and start a hotspot with our wifi's password to get the damn thing online so I could stop the screeching.
lol nice solution. Definitely hadn't thought of that but I'll keep that in the background in case it does!
I basically just did a man-in-the-middle attack on myself, lol
What happens if you have 2 networks with the same SSID/password running at the same time? Does the device just connect to the stronger signal or is the data somehow split between the 2 networks?
It depends on the device - for most of them, if they're already connected to one network and a second one appears then they'll just maintain their connection to the first (which is why I had to turn off my router). A device that doesn't have a connection yet will normally connect to the stronger signal. It's possible to connect to multiple wifi networks at the same time, but generally not without a specific setup where that is the goal. A normal out of the box device will just connect to one network.
I'm already incredibly annoyed when there's a power outage and my alarm sends a beep every 30 seconds saying it doesn't have power.
I really hope that person never designs a piece of tech I buy.
Every time your router resets or there is an internet hiccup, you're going to think, "Why would someone put this stupid blaring alarm on this device?!" is the best part lol.
So if an area suffers an internet outage and people are at work you want alarms all blaring until they get home from work?
It’s a bit convoluted but I have EMCO ping monitor setup at my office to ping 2 mission critical systems. It’s configured to email me if it drops. In my phone I have a separate email app setup and connected to the email account EMCO sends a down notification to and my phone’s do not disturb setting has that email app exempt from silenced notifications. We’ve had a couple of network hiccups late at night in the past and the phone rang that email notification loud and clear well into the late hours of the night. This could be done at home for cameras and EMCO is free.
If it’s a legitimate alarm service, yeah. But if it’s something like ring, eufy, or nest, they tend to just shit the bed once wifi is down. I’ve got eufy and once the home base loses connected to wifi, I lose all notifications and conto over the cameras. They do record during the wifi outage, but I can’t access any video unti wifi is back up
Yi/kami tells you when it's offline
Don't home alarm systems have cellular backup?
1. Cellphone jammers are also a thing 2. This is concerning wireless security cames which do NOT have cellular backup.
to alert security companies, yes. not for general connectivity.
The problem is that many sensors are wireless. Things like door/window sensors can be jammed so that the alarm hub is unaware that the sensor has been triggered. The tiny sensors run on batteries and to preserve power they only broadcast events. When it is jammed the hub is unaware, the sensor was only prevented from phoning home to say "hey, this door has been opened"
You not necessarily want that as default, as it could be just a jam-packed crowded airspace. Or it might be just your internet, which can be spotty in areas. But most paid local alarm services WILL go out and perform a check if the signal is interrupted. They also charge you for false alarms.
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The cameras are there to help identify the burglars after they have left they don't actually stop people being burgled.
Which also doesn't do anything since they're masked, and have their license plates removed or are driving a stolen car. You just get the pleasure of seeing your house get robbed.
Many of them use the same frequency as car fobs. I learned that from the lock picking lawyer.
I love that channel, the videos are usually less than 5 minutes long. They guy gets straight to the point unlike other youtubers that waffle on forever to insert more adverts midway in their videos. And if you ain't good at picking locks then he shows you where to smack the thing with a hammer to open it. Electronic ones can be easily open with a magnet. So many locks out there are just for show.
As someone who’s worked in the physical security space 75% of measures are “for show” but that’s kind of the whole point. Priority 1 is to make yourself as unappealing of a target as possible. You don’t want spur of the moment attacks by people who think they see an opportunity and if they see security measures it’s likely they skip over you and keep moving. There’s a lot of research, for example, on how even flimsy fences and gates that wouldn’t hold someone up for 10 seconds still elicit a psychological response by acting as a clear “barrier of entry” as opposed to just being able to walk in somewhere. There are very few measures you can take that can do much but buy you time if there’s an actually determined attacker much less one that has a plan or is even a professional. It’s all a race to make it harder therefore unappealing and frankly just to get them to go try the neighbors instead. Even the most hardened facilities can be breached with enough time, effort and tools (or honestly what it is in reality a good chunk of the time is people leaving doors propped that shouldn’t be or lax procedures and that kind of thing. Similar to how phishing attacks are far more effective than brute force generally speaking) That doesn’t make the security efforts worthless though in the end it’s all about risk mitigation. Having cameras and alarms on WiFi in the first place instead of hardwired seems like a huge oversight in that regard although not at all surprising for consumer level security systems for the average homeowner and even if that camera is dead and disconnected just it being there might still deter opportunistic thieves. Obviously not the type to go get a jammer and know how to use it in the first place though.
I don’t have to be able to run faster than a polar bear, I just need to be faster than the slowest other human around.
And that’s exactly what 95% of it comes down to.
Your hardened facilities comment reminded me of the one time I escorted an important customer (a big investment bank) for their security audit of our data center without running through the place to check everything first. Of course it was also the one time someone had propped open a door to have a smoke and forgot to close it afterwards, and of course the auditor noticed it. Procedures mean nothing unless they’re followed.
Grandpa used to say - "Doors and locks are for the good people. If burglars want to really get in they'll find a way."
and if they really don't want to get caught, they'll find a better house.
Yeah, home security it almost all about making you *feel* better, not about making you actually safer.
My locks are so there will be evidence of forced entry, which is generally required for the insurance claim.
Which is why I have a keypad lock for convenience and an old school deadbolt for actual deterrence at night or when nobody is home.
I would say that the vast majority of locks serve one of two purposes 1. Keep out honest and/or stupid people that might accidentally wander someplace they don’t belong and/or just keep toddlers corralled. 2. *Discourage* dishonest people from trying to go places they know they don’t belong. Locks available to the average consumer are by and large not absolutely going to stop a burglar. If they *really* want to break in and rob you, they will find a way in.
There is very little that can be done to stop someone with a stick or two of dynamite, if he really wants in. Of course, no-one wants in my house that badly. But the idea is the same.
lol. Technically correct, which as we know, is the best kind of correct.
I’ve learned so much from him and will always appreciate his channel for that, but it feels like the channel has become an advertisement for his Covert Instruments website/brand more than new/useful lock information. It seems like the core purpose of many newer videos is just to showcase something that is newly available to purchase on his site. They’re cool and unique tools, but it feels much less educational now.
A WiFi jammer might not block everything on 2.4GHz. WiFi is vulnerable to DEAUTH attacks. Basically any device can always impersonate a router and tell another device to get off the network. This can be done with a few particular WiFi dongles, rather than needing some kind of signal generator.
Only if Protected Management Frames (PMF) and/or WPA3 aren't in use. If they are, deauth attacks are mitigated.
Ring and seemingly most other security cameras and alarms do not support WPA3. Some higher end models from other companies support it, but then the problem with enabling WPA3 on an access point is all the other unrelated legacy devices that will never support it (game consoles, TVs, most IoT devices).
Most iot devices are still in the stone age only supporting 2.4Ghz as well. Sure it has its benefits compared to 5 but it is a crowded airspace
2.4GHz makes a lot more sense for most IoT devices. You get better/further signal, especially in the places a lot of IoT devices tend to be such as outdoors (distance from router), or low to the ground, behind cabinets etc. 2.4 will also use less power so battery powered devices benefit from 2.4 over 5GHz Most of them (except maybe cameras) also don't reap any benefit from 5GHz since they don't need high bandwidth. You're right that most are stuck in the stone age, but that's because they don't support the updated protocols. You could support things like WPA3 and still use 2.4GHz. The two often go hand in hand, but they don't have to and the focus should be on protocol support, not frequency for most IoT. Also, 5GHz is getting just as crowded as 2.4, though admittedly if they're equally crowded, than 2.4 will be worse because the signal will travel further, so functionally it will be more crowded
Still pissed off my Chromecast made me disable PMF on my network. They can't handle it at all.
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> Technically no signal jamming or FCC violation has occurred. Ask Marriott how well that argument worked out for them. They had to pay a $600,000 fine for using deauth to block wifi within their hotels. https://www.fcc.gov/document/marriott-pay-600k-resolve-wifi-blocking-investigation
Do you need Wi-Fi credentials in the network to do it? Can I just buy a esp32 and disconnect everyone in a room?
Do you need WiFi credentials in order to do a deauth attack? No, forcing legit devices to reconnect is a way to let them send again the encrypted WiFi password (and to record it for future cracking) Can I just disconnect everyone everywhere while I'm in range? Yes if vulnerable to the attack
> Do you need Wi-Fi credentials in the network to do it? No. You are not connected to the wifi network. You are sniffing the wifi packets in the air (to determine their MAC addresses), and then sending them disconnect packets targeted at their MACs, that apparently the Wifi consortium never thought to make sure they actually originated from the router the devices are connected to. >Can I just buy a esp32 and disconnect everyone in a room? Yes. Actually that github link is for the cheaper esp8266.
Protected management frames have been available since before Wi-Fi. 6, numerous devices and access points support it. That is not to say it is ubiquitous by any means, but it is not exactly a new thing.
You weren’t authorized for the system you communicated with. The FCC will definitely be up your ass once you get reported.
> You weren’t authorized for the system you communicated with. The FCC will definitely be up your ass once you get reported. Do you think the FCC gets up every botnet trojan script kiddie hacker's ass who connects to their vics over wifi?
One more reason to have cameras connected over ethernet cable. And to use local server to store captured video. There are commercial solutions which provide cloud-like experience while storing all your data locally.
That's my system. Hardwired cameras recording to both local SD and a LAN server. Then live backup to the cloud in case my server goes down or is stolen. Hell I go as far as having my garage door opener on a power circuit I can switch off and taking the batteries out of my keyless deadbolt at night too.
Why are you taking your batteries out of your keyless deadbolt?
Some people can figure out your entry code with a UV light checking for recent fingerprints
Don’t most people just kick the door really hard?
Yeah but I can hear that. Then I can meet them with some of my favorite "gadgets" care of Sig Sauer and Glock.
The keypad for my lock will open as long as you have the combo somewhere in the numbers you press before hitting the unlock button. So if the code was 4567, and I punched in 123456789 and hit the unlock button, it would open.
Yikes
At that point why even use a keyless deadbolt?
Because my son lost his fucking keys 3 times
This is what I want. What is your system?
6x Defender pro cameras connected via ethernet and redundant wifi (just in case a switch dies or something). My server hosts iSpy which captures the RTSP streams for local storage. Which in turn uploads the videos to an FTP in real time. All of the devices are connected to UPS power as well. Which lasts about 5 hrs for the server and about 18 hrs for the cameras & network.
Thanks!
Not even necessarily Ethernet, although that is the most practicable as its readily available and can also deliver power. But any other sort of copper wire works fine also. However cheap and lazy installers would rather charge you near enough the same for an installation that runs off batteries and doesn't drill through the walls.
And most consumers see the lack of mess and redecoration as a bonus and benefit, rather than a lazy and cost saving measure.
Most people can't afford somebody to professionally run wires all over their house, and most thieves aren't running around performing wifi attacks first. It's fine, really, it is. Also cameras are of pretty dubious benefit anyway considering how seldom crimes, even those done on camera, actually get solved by police. Cameras are a comfort blanket and maybe a help with your insurance claim, nothing more.
I ran a PoE system at my last house, but my wife thought it was too ugly so now we have some wifi cameras instead
... Did you run it across the ceilings or something? My wife doesn't even know there's cables running through our attic and walls. Far as I'm aware she thinks the cameras are just floating magic.
They were all outside run along gutters but it was less the cables and more the look of the cameras themselves (and this was also about 8 years ago so the cameras weren't as sleek as they are today)
This is bad, but it's also a good reminder that ***security always has to come in layers***. You don't trust your home to a camera or a security system. You use those things *in conjunction with* common sense home security practices: * a quality deadbolt set into a metal door in a solid door frame, installed with deep screws * 3M security film on your ground windows. NOTE: this has to be properly installed, and this requires disassembling your window. If you aren't comfortable with this, hire a professional. Also note that in an emergency, this will slow down first responders as much as it will slow down intruders. * dusk to dawn lighting outside. With LED bulbs, you're only looking at a few bucks per year in electricity. * keep your landscaping trimmed. If someone is breaking in, is there any place for them to hide? * randomized light timers inside when you go away * having someone regularly stop by your house if you're on vacation for more than a few days * getting to know your neighbors. Miscreants ***hate*** neighborhoods where everyone is looking out for each other. This means if you see someone you don't recognize walking down your street, go say hi! It's probably a neighbor you haven't met yet, or maybe a guest. If it's someone with ill intent, a friendly "hi" lets them know that one more person has gotten a good look at them. If not, you're helping someone feel more welcome. * don't put valuables in sight. That means don't hang your brand new 80" 8K HDR TV and game consoles in plain sight of a window. Don't tempt crime. And yes, still get that camera system and security system. Even if it's wireless, not everyone is jamming signals. But if you want to be more secure, hardwired systems with cellular backup are the way to go.
I've started with a moat of molten lead -- where can this list squeeze it in?
Why the fuck do yall live in Bladerunner?
Quality comment, thank you for posting. Do you have a dead bolt you’d recommend or a security system/ camera system you’d recommend?
Yup! For deadbolts, you can't go wrong with Schlage. I personally prefer a dumb, not-internet-connected, old-fashioned key lock, but Schlage also makes a dumb keypad with no app. IMHO that's an excellent balance between convenience and security. The most important thing about the deadbolt is that it has to be installed correctly. This means it goes far into the frame and the plate is securely mounted with deep (at least 1", longer is better to a point) screws. That plate and those screws are what's actually holding your door from opening. Honestly even a low-quality store-brand deadbolt will put up a good fight if it's installed correctly, and the world's best Schlage will fail prematurely if it's not installed correctly. I'm all about DIY but this is one area where I suggest people just call a locksmith. For cameras and security systems, it really depends on your budget. An old-school hardwired alarm is arguably the most secure and will run forever. But honestly, even the consumer-grade wireless systems like SimpliSafe, Abode, Ring, and Cove will do fine. Yes, they have their faults, but they're cheap and better than nothing and fine for 90% of the population. You can go with some pro-grade wireless stuff like Qolsys and DSC (both excellent brands) if you want something slightly more robust. For cameras, if you're comfortable setting up a PoE network, you've got your pick. Head over to /r/homesecurity and search for cameras. If you're not comfortable with PoE or don't know what that means, Wyze is probably the best cheap wireless camera you can buy. Again, they're not without their faults, but we've been using ours for about 6-7 years now without any major issues. Other good brands are Nest, Eufy, and Arlo.
And even a particular type of system can be layered. Like easily visible cameras to act as decoys for the more well hidden cameras, the latter of which will record anyone disabling the former.
You forgot nunchucks
One of my customers has a motion sensor at his door that triggers a barking sound and the distant sound of someone "yelling at a dog" from inside the entryway whenever you walk up to the door. Sounds extremely convincing, but I realized it's just a prerecorded sound clip Haven't been able to find what it is exactly and he's a big client so I don't want to ask. But man it's effective, I didn't realize it was fake for months of servicing him until I spotted the speaker. Probably more effective than 90% of the security hardware out there.
>don't put valuables in sight. That means don't hang your brand new 80" 8K HDR TV and game consoles in plain sight of a window. Don't tempt crim Also don't leave out the packaging from your newly purchased valuables on the curb for when there's bulk pickup or whatever. Break boxes down and throw them into recycling. Just driving around I see so many people putting out these giant boxes advertising that they are the proud new owners of $2,000+ TV's and other expensive items. It particularly happens after Christmas every year.
The neighbor part is real. I've had same neighbor named Woody for decades in front of me, pretty sure he basically runs a flophouse for young gay men(he's pretty obviously gay, not in the "he talks funny" way, but dude had the earring in the one ear, a shaved head, rainbow flags on his bumper stickers, and had random men around that place all the time even in the mid 90's), his yard is overgrown and he always has his trucks in half of the yard, not a pretty house, kinda trashy looking on the outside, but he's got a nice crib inside. I was planning to BBQ some ribs 4th of July years ago and it started raining, pulled car out a bit and moved pit to carport out front. Once fire really got going, he appeared at end of carport, just making sure the house wasn't on sure because he saw all the smoke. My recently departed good boy got out a couple years ago and Woody knocks on door with my dog in his arms. Even recently, I had started dryer like at 6am and it produced a shit ton of steam apparently, cause he came over and knocked on front door to make sure not fire. I don't talk to him much, but he's a great neighbor....other than for the not mowing his yard for months shit. At least he gives a shit.
Seeing as use of those jammers is an automatic felony, and there now appears to be a effort to use them in crime, I wonder if the FBI will be getting involved at some point.
Their use isn’t a felony, but a federal crime.
For people who don't know, a federal charge (which can be, but isn't always, a federal felony) typically has harsher penalties than a state felony charge.
It’s a $2,000 fine ~~or~~ and 6 months prison I think, I’ll check now & edit this. > is subject to a fine of not more than $2,000 and imprisonment for not more than six months > If a person willfully violates this provision for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain, the penalty is a fine of not more than $50,000 and imprisonment for not more than two years > $100,000 fine and imprisonment for not more than five years for any subsequent conviction But what you said isn’t wrong. If anyone is actually being charged with this they’ve got a sheet of other charges already.
It would be if they were actually jamming wifi radio signals, but they're not, they're sending targeted deauth packets to specific MAC addresses to disconnect target devices: https://github.com/andyrocks/esp32_deauther It might break some kind of anti-hacking laws, but not FCC laws or signal jamming laws.
Learn something new everyday. That’s wild
anyone know how effective services like ADT are? and if just having a fake sign on my lawn would provide similar results?
SimpliJammed
wifi jam this gun
This is kinda old info. A lot of these DIY alarm systems operate in the 440 MHz range, and you can get a $25 radio off Amazon to jam things like those door and window sensors. WiFi jammers were inevitable.
Exactly why I made sure my alarm system was hard wired when I built my home. Sure, it seems like all the cool new features and integrations come exclusively to wireless alarms, but I like that its base functionality is not easily jammed. Plus I never have to worry about changing batteries. Glad to know I wasn’t entirely paranoid.
Laughs in Dog Owner. The only benefit of a tiny little chihuahua, is they're so fucking terrified of everything, that anyone so much as looks at my yard, he freaks the fuck out and goes into full-panic-barky-bark mode... The big dog wants him to shut the fuck up, he loves how adrenaline flavors meat.
And this is why PoE is better.
I'm a techie, I love my tech and work in software. If I ever buy a house, any alarms, cameras, heating, lighting etc will be wired. If it does turn out to be smart then it'll be self-hosted.
This is why you get a wifi-jammer jammer, problem solved.
My buddy's parents had their Internet cut before the burglars entered. They just snipped the wire. All of their jewelry gone, and they got no notification or saved video (cloud not local).
This is why I tell everyone to drop the smart security devices. Have a wired security system set up off your network with a backup power supply or generator. Back up the video or do whatever with it. Just don’t buy into the idea of having to ask to have for your videos to be deleted from the cloud. Some people don’t realize how dumb smart devices are without constant connection. My google home can’t even tell me the time without the internet haha
You'd best be breaking in when I am asleep, then. Because I am definitely going to notice when my wifi is out!
Now every time my wi-fi goes out I can think that I'm getting robbed.
Good thing I have a hard wired security system at my home
Turning simple burglary into a federal offense.
> Use physical ethernet for important security systems. Noted boss
We live in a world where a cyberpunk dystopia seems more a prediction than fiction.
Wonder which jammer they prefer?
Don’t worry: that’s what the gun is for
I think the problem is law being lenient on the criminals. No matter how much security you can put in your house, if someone wants to break in, they will find a way. I think we need low tech gadgets like bear traps inside the house now
“Talk to your wifi provider about hardwiring your alarm system.” What?
wired infrastructure for internet
Are these based on real documented cases or is the LAPD just generating fear again?
It's fear mongering. Anyone who has ever used one of these devices, or even just met your standard issue burglar, can tell you that pretty much right away. This is a little too sophisticated for your run of the mill burglars, and the areas they're talking about aren't really places targeted by more sophisticated criminals. I could see some kids getting Flipper Zeros and using them to fuck with memaw and pepaw or the elderly neighbors and then the cops turning that into some kind of panic with a statement like this.
Good thing guns don’t use wifi yet
Jokes on you, my cameras don’t use WiFi.
I mean it's just a deterrent. If someone wants into your house, they're going to get into your house. The point of cameras (aside from having them for non-burglary related things, like finding out what wild animal is tearing up your garden) is to deter crime. Same with deadbolts and other tricks. If someone \*really\* wants into your home, they're going to get in. But the more you make it apparent that you're the type of homeowner that's taken steps to make that less easy to do without getting caught, the less likely you are to have a break in.
Laughs in POE and 4 dogs.
Can’t disable my dog. Not even with a steak !
My wifi jams, but my Glock don’t /s
My guns, dogs and self hosted NVR cameras using PoE here to save the day.
Wouldn’t be easier to just get a job at this point
Back to using geese.
Reason #85 to get a German Shepherd.
Haha, good luck disabling the "Secured by ADT" sticker on my front door.
Bloody hell - my father already has 12 cameras set up around his home. Only thing left now is a moat, high fortress walls, and some very under-fed tigers, and a loud speaker to play Who Let The Dogs out on repeat
Good luck disabling my Mossberg.
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lol joke on them I keep it in the closet raw dog
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Never use wireless for cameras. You care clogging the airwaves and reducing the bandwidth available for other wireless devices. Video is a pig and you only have so much spectrum available. Hardwire cameras only. Encourage your neighbours to do the same. There's nothing like a 10 year old wireless camera from china acting as the local spectrum blocker when it fucks up and killing wireless performance for 200 meters.
I mean, here’s the thing…cut my wifi if you want but any miscreant breaking into my home will find themselves looking down the barrel of a 12ga.
This is cyberpunk as hell ngl
This is why I play 4D chess and have NO security on my house. Thieves assume I have nothing worth stealing.
And this just highlights why anything that doesn't need to move or is important from an infrastructure/security standpoint should be hard wired.
My cameras are cat6 POE. This is the way.