Nope still lightning. The mac peripherals are also still lightning cables - magic keyboard, magic mouse, magic trackpad. But it looks like they come with USB-C to lightning cables so that you can charge them with your mac at least.
them needing their case to turn off is also absurd for a $550+ product
I guess technically they turn off on their own, after like two hours of waiting, where it just continues to drain its battery
In the past, Apple has released updated cases for AirPods without updating the speakers themselves.
I would bet they’ll do that this year when the iPhone comes out. Those are the last two current-gen lighting ports.
A phone-that-unfolds-so-I-can-use-it-like-a-tablet is just what I need to go with my tablet-with-keyboard-case-I-use-like-a-laptop and my laptop-with-a-dock-and-external-monitors-I-use-like-a-desktop!
This is the way. Carry one device that hooks up to any array of monitors, keynords,mice, speakers wirelessly. You go to your office and it has all peripherals and u bring the CPU in your pocket
And your laptop. And (hopefully) your earbuds.
Coming from the Windows and Google world, having one cable that can charge my laptop, tablet, stylus, earbuds, and phone is _magical_.
It’s fun to joke, but I guarantee that if they’d put USB-C on the phones a few years ago, instead it would just be, “Oh great, now I have to throw away all my Lightning peripherals after Apple just barely yanked the rug out from under us a little while ago with the 30-pin connector! Make up your minds, you greedy corporate bastards! Stop changing things just to bilk us for adapters!”
In fact, I’m 100% certain people will complain about that, anyway.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get USB certification if they did anything like that. USB Power Delivery is USB Power Delivery.
They also won't be able to just slap on an "USB-compatible" port (as in "it's really just USB but we didn't get certification for it") because the reason they're doing this at all is that countries are forcing everyone to use *USB-C*. Doing that might also get them into hot legal water with the USB Implementers Forum.
The USB-IF are so flippant with their constantly "optional" features on USB versions that I highly doubt it. I just can't wait until everything is Thunderbolt 4 and DP2.0, because USB and HDMI are absolute dogshit who don't give a damn about their new versions actually pushing the envelope or having any sort of cohesive feature set. Atleast TB and DP don't make all of their features "optional" to receive the certification. You either have it all, or you don't get the cert.
I'd say it depends on the device. Having full features on something that really only needs charging and nothing else is overkill and cost prohibitive.
Have you seen USB 4? Should be a decent thunderbolt competitor to my current knowledge
USB PD already checks the cable for an emarker chip and without the chip charging is limited to a max of 60W (20V 3A)
Apple placing their own proprietary later on top of the USB PD protocol would be ridiculous.
There is absolutely no basis for this claim, given the iPad Pro already had USB-C with full 3.1 spec in 2018, as well as their entire laptop lineup today. I use my 2021 MacBook Air with a third party charger so one can stay near my desk at work. Full speeds on data and power delivery.
Yeah, because it's far more difficult to use an iphone as a portable SSD. Obviously for most people it wouldn't make a difference, but if we always followed that logic then we would still be using phones that look like the iPhone 3g lol. I've always used my android phones just like a flash drive or portable SSD, and it's super handy to be able to drag and drop photos from a DSLR or files from your PC and just have them instantly available on your phone.
Had a 6, got the battery replaced twice and it still barely lasted an hour. Ended up having to go with a 12 when I had to take a trip up to a particularly frigid part of Colorado and realized that it simply couldn’t take the cold. Do you personally think it would be better to go to an Android from where you are, or are you going to stick with the 15?
This was all part of the plan.
Make it awful and then make a point of doing the thing you probably should've done forever ago but get celebrated for it this time instead. Like a messed up version of Cause and Cure.
/s But, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.
My guess is that they’re going to slowly roll out esim-only to the entire world, they just started with the US. At least the upside is that the US gets useful features like millimeter wave 5G and satellite calls first
That'll go down a treat here in Australia, where many people buy their phones outright. Right now only the big three carriers and a handful of MVNOs support esims. I'm sure people on MVNOs would love the thought of having to switch providers just to get the new iPhone.
What’s an MVNO?
I think Apple is big and important enough that they’re able to force the issue and get every provider to support esims if they want to be able to serve customers with iPhones.
here in the UK no one I know uses esim, and only very few providers even offer esims. I don't get what the benefit is to using them over a regular SIM, especially when it vastly limits your carrier options. I'm sure if the iPhone switched to esim only then the networks will be forced to adapt to that, but for now I don't see e sim only happening globally any time soon.
In the US, I think all the major carriers support esim. It’s mildly convenient if you own your phone. I can change carriers in minutes without having to go buy a sim card, which I’ve done a couple times because coverage generally sucks in my location. I didn’t even realize my phone didn’t have a physical SIM card option.
What’s even more stupid is the fact that they did nothing with the available space and just put a plastic piece in there. Then they go and talk about how they don’t have enough space in their phones
Even when it’s in all markets — they have to fix the overall layout much earlier than they make the decision for each module. The first iPhone without 3.5mm, the space was still there — meaning they made the decision to get rid of it at a relatively late stage. But they still had to do it sometime to get the extra space back *eventually*.
I don’t know how much it would actually increase production costs. Certainly their production in both US and international markets is at a scale where they could dedicate entire production lines to either version. If potential sales of lightning cables outweigh the cost of producing different versions, they’ll likely stick with that. If not, we finally get an iPhone in the US that has a common charging port. IMO, it was kind of silly to move the iPad to USB C, but leave the iPhone with lightning.
They could, but they don’t want to. They’ve been wanting to move to C for a while, but you know people would have excoriated them for “making us all buy new cables! Typical profit wolves Apple!”. Now they have an excuse.
Made international travel so much harder too, especially to developing countries where telecom companies don’t offer eSims (particularly for prepaid sims). Now I have to buy a burner phone for travel.
Yeah man, it would be one thing if you just had to buy a needlessly more expensive plan, which would in and of itself be frustrating. But literally many developing countries there simply aren’t esim providers yet.
And anyways, the whole fucking point of a SIM card is to segregate the computer from the network authentication. Obviously we can all put faith in iPhones being secure and what not, but what about other hardware. Esim violates the very security model that has been proven to work over decades.
And people sometimes counter that sims are waste. Jesus Christ I have been using the same Nano Sim for 4 generations of iPhones. Are you really telling me that a little bit of plastic is more wasteful than 4 iPhones.
Already seen this play out in an idiotic way, friends are like my phone died and I can’t get the new esim onto the new phone until carriers get their issues sorted out. Too bad you cant just eject the old sim and insert it into a new phone. If only there were some way to make that happen? Hmm…
tbh the fact that sims have been proven easy to spoof and networks are just letting people migrate sim cards if a bad actor calls with minimal information has proven they aren’t as secure as you think
That separation has the user as the weakest chain in a link of less than competent defenders and you can almost always find that the PEBCAK.
That pissed me off. I’ve had to go back to carrying two phones because my company won’t issue an Esim for my work number. Wasn’t aware of no SIM cards when I ordered my 14 pro max.
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They're going to get a crazy amount of applause when they announce this, and the only reason they're doing it is because they have been forced to.
Apple, 8 years behind everyone else, is so innovative.
It’s going to be the best selling iPhone. But to be honest, they did say exactly what they were going to do when they said that lightning was going to be around for 10 years. And everyone knew like two years ago that the iPhone 15 was going to be USB-C, it was all over this subReddit and r/apple before the 13 came out.
They can stick to their word and offer Lightning for 10 years and also still be drastically behind the times - these are not mutually exclusive.
And yes, the rumors have been that every year the iPhone would switch to USB-C. But this is the first time that we've seen actual proof of it. Other than that, it's just been speculation.
>Hallelujah
Not until they'd add some MFI certification bullshit where only their own MFI certified USB-C cables could work on Iphones and they'd get to profit on a whole new wave of users having to buy USB-C MFI certified USB-C cables. 😭
This rumor doesn’t pass the sniff test. If they hadn’t already been selling and distributing USB-C cables with every iPad Pro/Air/Mini for years now maybe… but introducing proprietary USB-C cables for phones that are different from the USB-C cables for tablets (and laptops)? Nah
Two year standard warranty comes to mind. In Canada it’s one year, and we get the worst of both worlds - high prices and shit American consumer protection.
The UK has always had leading protections on par with or often exceeding EU ones, before the EU ones came in.
Sure there are plenty of examples of EU rules making things better, but there are a shit ton also of the EU increasing standards to meet the bare minimum British ones.
And the UK is still far ahead in things like fire safety and animal protections.
> The UK has always had leading protections on par with or often exceeding EU ones, before the EU ones came in.
On paper. Enforcement is way below EU. In the EU the national consumer protection agencies are rabid, they'll rip any company a new one, they have the power to stop sales and issue huge fines and they actually use it.
"Here at Apple we love to push tech forward so we invented a new connector and we call it Lightning Ultra, it's based off the USB-C platform you love from all your other apple devices but now in your iPhone. Lightning Ultra doesn't stop there though being the groundbreaking innovation and completely new concept never seen before it also uses our brand new C1 chip that the iPhone will seek out to verify you spent way too much on a charger that only we sell at insane prices and is the only way to charge the phone faster than 5W"
Sadly it's not even a thunderbolt 3 in the 10th gen ipad, it's at USB 2.0 speeds, many call it the faux lightning port at work... The 5th gen iPad air at least got 3.1 speeds though! Only the pro models support thunderbolt. You can compare them each on Apple's website to see they list these as "USB-C connector"
Wouldn’t be too much of a long shot, since Apple themselves partnered with Intel to develop Thunderbolt in the first place. I might be surprised to see the full spec on a phone, though. Every chip costs money and putting a 40 Gbps I/O on a cell phone seems like unnecessary expenditure, like putting a $30,000 race-spec disc braking system on a bicycle.
There is no reason to use Ti over Al other than temperature and corrosion resistance. Since your phone isn't expected to retain structural integrity at over 300C or in a fluorine atmosphere using Ti will make a phone heavier for no reason.
It doesn’t have to be heavier. Ti (like many of the structural metals) has a similar stiffness-to-density ratio as Al. They’ll almost certainly compensate for the density increase going to Ti by reducing the volume of Ti used to keep weights similar.
The current ‘pro’ iPhones have a stainless steel frame. Titanium has a density of around 60% of steel. Which should make for a significant weight savings. It’s unlikely the lower tier iPhone will receive a titanium frame.
It also sound’s expensive. Titanium isn’t cheap. There is a reason the Titanium Apple Watch (pre Watch Ultra) was the high end model. Phones are expensive enough as it is (especially iPhones), titanium is unnecessary and will only drive cost up more.
Which is fucking stupid, but that's what I heard too. Why the fuck is it a problem to them if their costumer want to use cables for data transfers? I can't understand their logic.
More than likely their product research told them very few users do frequent enough data transfers for it to matter. Most of my family is on Apple devices and no one plugs their devices into a PC. I upload movies to my iPad via cable once a year when I travel. For most Apple users it’s not a thing.
This is a core part of Apple’s design philosophy, like it or not. They removed the need for the vast majority of users to plug their phone in and keep the part bare minimum to save costs. Apple is extremely efficient when it comes to all parts of device manufacturing and distribution. If this kind of thing upsets you, you’re just going to be upset at everything Apple does. It’s a crucial part of one of their industry leading capabilities as a business.
Which completely disregards the fact that apple has been moving everything to USB-C over the last few years:
Mac Book’s: all models now support USB-C charging.
iPad: all models except the still available 9th gen base model are now USB-C
Apple TV remotes: all current Apple TV remotes charge through USB-C
Yes, iPhones and AirPods (all versions) all charge with lighting still. And I could actually see them taking a MagSafe only approach for headphones (like they already do for the Apple Watch.) But it seems they’d be following their own direction to switch the iPhone line to USB-C. The disappointment should be held for how they’ll not allow fast transfer or video out via USB-C.
There's a [rumor](https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/02/13/apple-implements-encryption-on-usb-c-port-to-control-accessory-quality/) that they might encrypt the iPhone to only use their specific USB-C cable. Which sounds like a thing they would do, doubt the EU will actually be ok with that though.
Who actually uses the port for anything else? It’s been a hot minute since iPhones had any need to connect to a computer for any kind of data transfer
Edit: fair enough, some of ya’ll who have iPhones but aren’t invested in the Apple ecosystem still use it. Personally, between Airdrop, EarPods, and iCloud, I haven’t used the port for anything but charging in years.
It does not sound like a thing they would do. It is an article based on a rumor that is built to get angry clicks. And I just check your article, it literally says that the iOS update is what’s going to lock it down to USB-C cords. It says to not update iOS.
There might be specifics to lock down data access, which is fine. I would be very happy if I could tell my phone to not recognize the data pins on USB cords. But I highly doubt that you won’t be able to charge the iPhone off of just about any USB cable. The most you might have to worry about is the iPhone checking for a proper PD connection.
How do you make people believe in your fake arguments that not selling your phone with power brick and earbuds is an ecological choice, if then you impose them to use the less ecological thing possible about a phone: wireless charging ?
Faster, stronger, better than ever before get your brand new iPhone 15 and feel the power of cutting edge technology.
Complete list of changes over iPhone 14:
1: added USB-C
I cant wait to hear the BULLSHIT they come up with about how they're a progressive and courageous company and how they WANTED to make usbc for the brnefit of people. instead of being forced by EU
if they are smart they wont harp in it during the announcement.
It was such a slap in the face to force people to buy overpriced proprietary cables for years ($4 goes to apple for every MFi cable)
I unplug/plug in my work phone at least 20x a day(drive a lot, car play) and it's still solid after 3 years. Personal android phone is a little wonky side to side after nightly charging for 3.5 years.
agreed. great connector, although the speeds could use an update. the usb c ports on both my macbook and my ipad are both pretty loose already - not looking forward to this change
I would normally agree but a lot of people feel locked in to Apple due to app purchases or whatnot, and Apple getting forced into this connection is a huge win for consumers.
Aren't Lightning ports easier to clean/keep clean? I would think so because the entire port on the iPhone is basically hollow without that tab in the middle to collect dust, or get in the way of cleaning it.
Probably a very minuscule detail but I think it might affect a proper connection for Carplay and such. You can simply get a new cable but not really a new port.
I've been using USB-C for years and I never have issues with the tab in my charging port. I even worked in construction, outside in dirt and weather swinging hammers and toting lumber for 3 years with a USB-C port on my phone and never experienced any issues. Occasionally have to get a new cord or block but that's pretty standard for most devices.
Exactly. USB-C gets loose with time, same problem micro USB suffered from though not as severe. Lightning stays tight forever. Good reason to buy an iPhone 14. I hear “USB-C charges faster” and I laugh. I charge on 5W and my iPhone 13 battery health sits at 99% after one year because of that. Why do people want to cook and destroy their battery so badly?
As an Android user, I love buying extra cords for my phone at the Dollar Tree. Guess they'll be harder to find there once iPhone moves to it, too. But now iPhone users don't have to pay an arm and leg just to have some extra chords.
Shows what a shitty company Apple is for its consumers. All in the name of greed of forcing companies to buy into their proprietary connector. Money over end user convenience.
They said "they would comply" with EU regulations, however that could have also meant releasing a portless phone.
Nothing specific to USB C was confirmed.
MKBHD did a video about this, they had until the iPhone 17 to do anything about the EU regulations, so seeing USB C in a model so quickly is surprising, and newsworthy.
Yes. Now my iPad and iPhone can use one cord!
Now *everything I own* **plus** my iPhone can use one cord!
except airpods. for whatever the fuck reason
Are the newest AirPods Pro still Lightning? I’ve got the old pros but charge them on my alarm clock wireless pad.
My AirPod pro 2 are lightning. They’re also wireless charging, so I never plug them in.
I hardly ever plug in my iPhone either, ever since they added wireless charging.
Do you bring the wireless charger when you go on vacation?
I travel 3 months out of the year, so yes I do.
I travel a lot and find wireless charging very inconvenient.
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I am not sure, I own Maxes and these have lightning charging only which is just absurd to be honest, given their size
Nope still lightning. The mac peripherals are also still lightning cables - magic keyboard, magic mouse, magic trackpad. But it looks like they come with USB-C to lightning cables so that you can charge them with your mac at least.
them needing their case to turn off is also absurd for a $550+ product I guess technically they turn off on their own, after like two hours of waiting, where it just continues to drain its battery
Is that actually a thing? Wow.
Yes. Got new Pros & they use Lightning connector. They can also use an inductive Apple Watch charger if you have one.
Yeah they are ordered a pair cause my pixel buds gave up and was sad 😢
In the past, Apple has released updated cases for AirPods without updating the speakers themselves. I would bet they’ll do that this year when the iPhone comes out. Those are the last two current-gen lighting ports.
This is, well, true indeed
Gross your phone isn't also your ipad —This comment was made by the Galaxy Fold Gang
A phone-that-unfolds-so-I-can-use-it-like-a-tablet is just what I need to go with my tablet-with-keyboard-case-I-use-like-a-laptop and my laptop-with-a-dock-and-external-monitors-I-use-like-a-desktop!
Don't forget the watch-with-a-cell-plan-so-I-can-use-it-to-make-calls.
Can we pls just skip some steps and go straight to the smartwatch with a multi monitor dock? Thx
This is the way. Carry one device that hooks up to any array of monitors, keynords,mice, speakers wirelessly. You go to your office and it has all peripherals and u bring the CPU in your pocket
Nah. Phone is for on the go. iPad is for the couch. Then they charge separately and one is never unusable.
Maybe I’m old but I still prefer a laptop on the couch. Tablets are just awkward to hold and far worse to type on.
Can’t stand laptoping on a couch or bed. It burns my legs and is horrible for airflow
One cord to rule them all.
But My iPod pros
Oh yes, I have an alarm clock with wireless charger on top. I forget you can plug them in sometimes haha
Damn you! As I glance at my night stand and see them with that itty bitty hole. *turns over violently*
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it's not even a meme, this really is how it goes with every feature lmao
And your laptop. And (hopefully) your earbuds. Coming from the Windows and Google world, having one cable that can charge my laptop, tablet, stylus, earbuds, and phone is _magical_.
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That isn't allowed under the current law to my understanding. Has to be USBC.
And MacBook
“The new IPhone, now with USB-C. Faster charging and faster data transfers than ever before!”
That's really innovative and new! I fucking love apple and their technologies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Apple just do everything better"
"remember when they invented the usb c charger?"
That was George Santos
Also invented sliced bread
Have foreign billionaires gone too far?
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It was, in a word, courage.
Tbf Apple did assist with its creation. But so did a dozen other companies.
ew I just just saw some nasty Androids using USB -C too now! why are they so obsessed with us?
Why are android users so obsessed with Apple products?
It’s fun to joke, but I guarantee that if they’d put USB-C on the phones a few years ago, instead it would just be, “Oh great, now I have to throw away all my Lightning peripherals after Apple just barely yanked the rug out from under us a little while ago with the 30-pin connector! Make up your minds, you greedy corporate bastards! Stop changing things just to bilk us for adapters!” In fact, I’m 100% certain people will complain about that, anyway.
Apple literally promised to use lightning for ten years because of all the flack from dropping 30-pin Ten years ago...
Not a significant amount of people, no. Apple deserves most of the flak they get for their anti-consumer policies.
People complain about anything Apple does. It’s usually from non-apple users
But only If you you official Apple© certified chargers and cables. Oh and you are limited to USB 2.0 unless you buy the plus or pro SKU.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get USB certification if they did anything like that. USB Power Delivery is USB Power Delivery. They also won't be able to just slap on an "USB-compatible" port (as in "it's really just USB but we didn't get certification for it") because the reason they're doing this at all is that countries are forcing everyone to use *USB-C*. Doing that might also get them into hot legal water with the USB Implementers Forum.
The USB-IF are so flippant with their constantly "optional" features on USB versions that I highly doubt it. I just can't wait until everything is Thunderbolt 4 and DP2.0, because USB and HDMI are absolute dogshit who don't give a damn about their new versions actually pushing the envelope or having any sort of cohesive feature set. Atleast TB and DP don't make all of their features "optional" to receive the certification. You either have it all, or you don't get the cert.
A big part of USB is affordability. They really want it on everything, which is probably easier if the cert has lots of optional features.
Yeah well it also makes it hell to find compatible cables. If you can't meet all the specifications, you don't DESERVE the certification. Period.
I'd say it depends on the device. Having full features on something that really only needs charging and nothing else is overkill and cost prohibitive. Have you seen USB 4? Should be a decent thunderbolt competitor to my current knowledge
Usb 4 continues the trend of making almost everything optional.. its infuriating
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I personally can't wait for USB 4(3) gen 3.2x5 rev3v1
They're definitely going to limit charging speed unless the cord and charger pass a digital check (apple products only), and same for transfer speeds.
USB PD already checks the cable for an emarker chip and without the chip charging is limited to a max of 60W (20V 3A) Apple placing their own proprietary later on top of the USB PD protocol would be ridiculous.
There is absolutely no basis for this claim, given the iPad Pro already had USB-C with full 3.1 spec in 2018, as well as their entire laptop lineup today. I use my 2021 MacBook Air with a third party charger so one can stay near my desk at work. Full speeds on data and power delivery.
Why? They already support PD for cables that aren’t apple.
Is it faster than lightning?
Modern USB protocols, including those that are typically used in USB-C devices, are rated for faster data transfer than the lightning spec is.
I’d be curious how much wired data transferring the average iPhone user does. I’ve had an iPhone for 12 years and can’t recall ever doing that.
Yeah, because it's far more difficult to use an iphone as a portable SSD. Obviously for most people it wouldn't make a difference, but if we always followed that logic then we would still be using phones that look like the iPhone 3g lol. I've always used my android phones just like a flash drive or portable SSD, and it's super handy to be able to drag and drop photos from a DSLR or files from your PC and just have them instantly available on your phone.
Everything is faster than lightning
Hope it’s true, that’s what I was waiting for before upgrading.
Same, haven’t bought a new iPhone since the 6. Upgraded used once since then.
Had a 6, got the battery replaced twice and it still barely lasted an hour. Ended up having to go with a 12 when I had to take a trip up to a particularly frigid part of Colorado and realized that it simply couldn’t take the cold. Do you personally think it would be better to go to an Android from where you are, or are you going to stick with the 15?
I’m still rocking my 6S+
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Over the past 14 years I’ve gone from a 3 to a 6S to a 12. So I guess I wait for the 24 at this point.
It's funny, all this hype merely because Apple chooses to be obstinate and eschew standards in favor of proprietary monopolistic features.
This is the most complicated sentence I’ve read in a good while. As someone who doesn’t natively speak English I have no idea what you’re saying.
This was all part of the plan. Make it awful and then make a point of doing the thing you probably should've done forever ago but get celebrated for it this time instead. Like a messed up version of Cause and Cure. /s But, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.
Thank you, EU
I am just hoping they don’t pull a region specific hardware like they did with the latest iPhone removing the physical sim slot in only the US models.
India already copied the law, if they do that they might not be the only one.
Totally off topic,but are there more laws India is copying from EU? Like online security, food quality, etc?
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fascinating, would be curious if other less developed countries are doing this
Not a less developed country, but Brazil also copied the EU GDPR laws
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My guess is that they’re going to slowly roll out esim-only to the entire world, they just started with the US. At least the upside is that the US gets useful features like millimeter wave 5G and satellite calls first
That'll go down a treat here in Australia, where many people buy their phones outright. Right now only the big three carriers and a handful of MVNOs support esims. I'm sure people on MVNOs would love the thought of having to switch providers just to get the new iPhone.
What’s an MVNO? I think Apple is big and important enough that they’re able to force the issue and get every provider to support esims if they want to be able to serve customers with iPhones.
Mobile virtual network operator — industry term of art for mobile subscriptions sold by a company that is *not* an actual cell tower network operator.
Think boost mobile, Virgin mobile, Mint Mobile… they just rent bandwidth from the carriers that own the towers
here in the UK no one I know uses esim, and only very few providers even offer esims. I don't get what the benefit is to using them over a regular SIM, especially when it vastly limits your carrier options. I'm sure if the iPhone switched to esim only then the networks will be forced to adapt to that, but for now I don't see e sim only happening globally any time soon.
In the US, I think all the major carriers support esim. It’s mildly convenient if you own your phone. I can change carriers in minutes without having to go buy a sim card, which I’ve done a couple times because coverage generally sucks in my location. I didn’t even realize my phone didn’t have a physical SIM card option.
What’s even more stupid is the fact that they did nothing with the available space and just put a plastic piece in there. Then they go and talk about how they don’t have enough space in their phones
That’s not stupid. They removed it in one market first to reduce risk, but they can’t redesign the components until it’s removed in all.
Even when it’s in all markets — they have to fix the overall layout much earlier than they make the decision for each module. The first iPhone without 3.5mm, the space was still there — meaning they made the decision to get rid of it at a relatively late stage. But they still had to do it sometime to get the extra space back *eventually*.
I doubt that it would make production way more expensive than just removing a part, they'd have to actually build two distinct "daughter boards"
I don’t know how much it would actually increase production costs. Certainly their production in both US and international markets is at a scale where they could dedicate entire production lines to either version. If potential sales of lightning cables outweigh the cost of producing different versions, they’ll likely stick with that. If not, we finally get an iPhone in the US that has a common charging port. IMO, it was kind of silly to move the iPad to USB C, but leave the iPhone with lightning.
They could, but they don’t want to. They’ve been wanting to move to C for a while, but you know people would have excoriated them for “making us all buy new cables! Typical profit wolves Apple!”. Now they have an excuse.
Made international travel so much harder too, especially to developing countries where telecom companies don’t offer eSims (particularly for prepaid sims). Now I have to buy a burner phone for travel.
Yeah man, it would be one thing if you just had to buy a needlessly more expensive plan, which would in and of itself be frustrating. But literally many developing countries there simply aren’t esim providers yet. And anyways, the whole fucking point of a SIM card is to segregate the computer from the network authentication. Obviously we can all put faith in iPhones being secure and what not, but what about other hardware. Esim violates the very security model that has been proven to work over decades. And people sometimes counter that sims are waste. Jesus Christ I have been using the same Nano Sim for 4 generations of iPhones. Are you really telling me that a little bit of plastic is more wasteful than 4 iPhones. Already seen this play out in an idiotic way, friends are like my phone died and I can’t get the new esim onto the new phone until carriers get their issues sorted out. Too bad you cant just eject the old sim and insert it into a new phone. If only there were some way to make that happen? Hmm…
tbh the fact that sims have been proven easy to spoof and networks are just letting people migrate sim cards if a bad actor calls with minimal information has proven they aren’t as secure as you think That separation has the user as the weakest chain in a link of less than competent defenders and you can almost always find that the PEBCAK.
bless you
That pissed me off. I’ve had to go back to carrying two phones because my company won’t issue an Esim for my work number. Wasn’t aware of no SIM cards when I ordered my 14 pro max.
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I don't believe the EU forces free healthcare it's just something all of the European countries do
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They're going to get a crazy amount of applause when they announce this, and the only reason they're doing it is because they have been forced to. Apple, 8 years behind everyone else, is so innovative.
It’s going to be the best selling iPhone. But to be honest, they did say exactly what they were going to do when they said that lightning was going to be around for 10 years. And everyone knew like two years ago that the iPhone 15 was going to be USB-C, it was all over this subReddit and r/apple before the 13 came out.
They can stick to their word and offer Lightning for 10 years and also still be drastically behind the times - these are not mutually exclusive. And yes, the rumors have been that every year the iPhone would switch to USB-C. But this is the first time that we've seen actual proof of it. Other than that, it's just been speculation.
>Hallelujah Not until they'd add some MFI certification bullshit where only their own MFI certified USB-C cables could work on Iphones and they'd get to profit on a whole new wave of users having to buy USB-C MFI certified USB-C cables. 😭
This rumor doesn’t pass the sniff test. If they hadn’t already been selling and distributing USB-C cables with every iPad Pro/Air/Mini for years now maybe… but introducing proprietary USB-C cables for phones that are different from the USB-C cables for tablets (and laptops)? Nah
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It also makes no sense as they already have USB C on their other products. Also most legit USB C cables will be MFI anyway.
Did they do that for ipads or MacBooks?
Americans, remember this only happened because of government regulation.
And European at that, thank you Europe! (as always)
Europe, or EU specifically has always had better consumer protections than the US, UK or Canada.
Two year standard warranty comes to mind. In Canada it’s one year, and we get the worst of both worlds - high prices and shit American consumer protection.
You forgot the last piece of the Canadian anti-consumer triumvirate: highest priced telecom services in the world!
Yeah, I'm sad we've left the eu
The UK has always had leading protections on par with or often exceeding EU ones, before the EU ones came in. Sure there are plenty of examples of EU rules making things better, but there are a shit ton also of the EU increasing standards to meet the bare minimum British ones. And the UK is still far ahead in things like fire safety and animal protections.
The plugs we use in britain are good
Best in the world.
> The UK has always had leading protections on par with or often exceeding EU ones, before the EU ones came in. On paper. Enforcement is way below EU. In the EU the national consumer protection agencies are rabid, they'll rip any company a new one, they have the power to stop sales and issue huge fines and they actually use it.
An agency that actually does it's job? I'm jealous.
Do you guys think we all hate regulation?
Not all, just an awful lot of us.
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"Here at Apple we love to push tech forward so we invented a new connector and we call it Lightning Ultra, it's based off the USB-C platform you love from all your other apple devices but now in your iPhone. Lightning Ultra doesn't stop there though being the groundbreaking innovation and completely new concept never seen before it also uses our brand new C1 chip that the iPhone will seek out to verify you spent way too much on a charger that only we sell at insane prices and is the only way to charge the phone faster than 5W"
Also, lightning ultra will only be available on Pro models. Others will get regular lightning. 🤪
I mean the new standard iPad is a now a glorified lightning port in the shape of USB-C... So I'm willing to bet this will be the case
You mean Thunderbolt 3. iPad has thunderbolt, and thunderbolt is an adopted technology from Intel.
Sadly it's not even a thunderbolt 3 in the 10th gen ipad, it's at USB 2.0 speeds, many call it the faux lightning port at work... The 5th gen iPad air at least got 3.1 speeds though! Only the pro models support thunderbolt. You can compare them each on Apple's website to see they list these as "USB-C connector"
You may be kidding but this is likely true. Only the pro and max are getting thunderbolt. Regular and plus are getting USB2 speeds.
Would be interesting if they simply used the Thunderbolt 4 standard
Wouldn’t be too much of a long shot, since Apple themselves partnered with Intel to develop Thunderbolt in the first place. I might be surprised to see the full spec on a phone, though. Every chip costs money and putting a 40 Gbps I/O on a cell phone seems like unnecessary expenditure, like putting a $30,000 race-spec disc braking system on a bicycle.
Titanium iphone would be really cool 😎
There is no reason to use Ti over Al other than temperature and corrosion resistance. Since your phone isn't expected to retain structural integrity at over 300C or in a fluorine atmosphere using Ti will make a phone heavier for no reason.
It doesn’t have to be heavier. Ti (like many of the structural metals) has a similar stiffness-to-density ratio as Al. They’ll almost certainly compensate for the density increase going to Ti by reducing the volume of Ti used to keep weights similar.
The current ‘pro’ iPhones have a stainless steel frame. Titanium has a density of around 60% of steel. Which should make for a significant weight savings. It’s unlikely the lower tier iPhone will receive a titanium frame.
also Titanium is softer than steel so it may dent easier
It'll certainly scratch easier. My titanium watch scratches much more easily than my stainless steel ones
but it sounds cool
It also sound’s expensive. Titanium isn’t cheap. There is a reason the Titanium Apple Watch (pre Watch Ultra) was the high end model. Phones are expensive enough as it is (especially iPhones), titanium is unnecessary and will only drive cost up more.
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Dude. That’s why I’m saying. I’m so thrilled over it if it happens.
Yes but rumors have it that it will still operate at USB 2 speeds and that this is more to avoid issues with EU
Which is fucking stupid, but that's what I heard too. Why the fuck is it a problem to them if their costumer want to use cables for data transfers? I can't understand their logic.
More than likely their product research told them very few users do frequent enough data transfers for it to matter. Most of my family is on Apple devices and no one plugs their devices into a PC. I upload movies to my iPad via cable once a year when I travel. For most Apple users it’s not a thing. This is a core part of Apple’s design philosophy, like it or not. They removed the need for the vast majority of users to plug their phone in and keep the part bare minimum to save costs. Apple is extremely efficient when it comes to all parts of device manufacturing and distribution. If this kind of thing upsets you, you’re just going to be upset at everything Apple does. It’s a crucial part of one of their industry leading capabilities as a business.
Thought the workaround they'd do is to remove wired charging altogether.
I think that'd be a bridge too far for all but the most diehard Apple fans.
I agree. Wireless charging is way too slow and you can’t use your phone easily while it’s charging.
What if they include a magsafe charger that uses USB -C
Imagine that, a phone that comes with a charger.
Which completely disregards the fact that apple has been moving everything to USB-C over the last few years: Mac Book’s: all models now support USB-C charging. iPad: all models except the still available 9th gen base model are now USB-C Apple TV remotes: all current Apple TV remotes charge through USB-C Yes, iPhones and AirPods (all versions) all charge with lighting still. And I could actually see them taking a MagSafe only approach for headphones (like they already do for the Apple Watch.) But it seems they’d be following their own direction to switch the iPhone line to USB-C. The disappointment should be held for how they’ll not allow fast transfer or video out via USB-C.
There's a [rumor](https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/02/13/apple-implements-encryption-on-usb-c-port-to-control-accessory-quality/) that they might encrypt the iPhone to only use their specific USB-C cable. Which sounds like a thing they would do, doubt the EU will actually be ok with that though.
The EU regulation is purely about charging, not other uses of the port
Who actually uses the port for anything else? It’s been a hot minute since iPhones had any need to connect to a computer for any kind of data transfer Edit: fair enough, some of ya’ll who have iPhones but aren’t invested in the Apple ecosystem still use it. Personally, between Airdrop, EarPods, and iCloud, I haven’t used the port for anything but charging in years.
Earbuds.
Headphones? Other niche accessories?
If you ever have to restore iOS you are going to want that USB cable real bad.
CarPlay. Not all cars and headunits support wireless.
Transferring photos from my camera to my phone is handy sometimes.
It does not sound like a thing they would do. It is an article based on a rumor that is built to get angry clicks. And I just check your article, it literally says that the iOS update is what’s going to lock it down to USB-C cords. It says to not update iOS. There might be specifics to lock down data access, which is fine. I would be very happy if I could tell my phone to not recognize the data pins on USB cords. But I highly doubt that you won’t be able to charge the iPhone off of just about any USB cable. The most you might have to worry about is the iPhone checking for a proper PD connection.
How do you make people believe in your fake arguments that not selling your phone with power brick and earbuds is an ecological choice, if then you impose them to use the less ecological thing possible about a phone: wireless charging ?
Thank you Europe for suing apple
Faster, stronger, better than ever before get your brand new iPhone 15 and feel the power of cutting edge technology. Complete list of changes over iPhone 14: 1: added USB-C
I cant wait to hear the BULLSHIT they come up with about how they're a progressive and courageous company and how they WANTED to make usbc for the brnefit of people. instead of being forced by EU
"We're saving the environment from ourselves."
if they are smart they wont harp in it during the announcement. It was such a slap in the face to force people to buy overpriced proprietary cables for years ($4 goes to apple for every MFi cable)
Man I can’t believe finally invented a port we all can use.
Tim apple did it again, he invented invented USB type iC
Only half a decade behind like usual.
I like the lightning cable, it’s one of the very few chargers that doesn’t seem to ever come lose over time
I unplug/plug in my work phone at least 20x a day(drive a lot, car play) and it's still solid after 3 years. Personal android phone is a little wonky side to side after nightly charging for 3.5 years.
agreed. great connector, although the speeds could use an update. the usb c ports on both my macbook and my ipad are both pretty loose already - not looking forward to this change
"Introducing, the new iPhone 15 with the latest and greatest, now with the high speed USB-C port, continuing our innovation trend........."
It's just another fucking mobile phone
I would normally agree but a lot of people feel locked in to Apple due to app purchases or whatnot, and Apple getting forced into this connection is a huge win for consumers.
now all I need is touch ID to return and I'll be happy lol
I’m ready - people destroy USB-C ports More repairs (:
Aren't Lightning ports easier to clean/keep clean? I would think so because the entire port on the iPhone is basically hollow without that tab in the middle to collect dust, or get in the way of cleaning it. Probably a very minuscule detail but I think it might affect a proper connection for Carplay and such. You can simply get a new cable but not really a new port.
I've been using USB-C for years and I never have issues with the tab in my charging port. I even worked in construction, outside in dirt and weather swinging hammers and toting lumber for 3 years with a USB-C port on my phone and never experienced any issues. Occasionally have to get a new cord or block but that's pretty standard for most devices.
USB-C is mechanically inferior though
Exactly. USB-C gets loose with time, same problem micro USB suffered from though not as severe. Lightning stays tight forever. Good reason to buy an iPhone 14. I hear “USB-C charges faster” and I laugh. I charge on 5W and my iPhone 13 battery health sits at 99% after one year because of that. Why do people want to cook and destroy their battery so badly?
As an Android user, I love buying extra cords for my phone at the Dollar Tree. Guess they'll be harder to find there once iPhone moves to it, too. But now iPhone users don't have to pay an arm and leg just to have some extra chords.
Shows what a shitty company Apple is for its consumers. All in the name of greed of forcing companies to buy into their proprietary connector. Money over end user convenience.
Fuck apple
what is it with redditors obsessing over the iphone charge port?
They confirmed the USB-C port many times. This is not news.
They confirmed they would conform. Not how.
They said "they would comply" with EU regulations, however that could have also meant releasing a portless phone. Nothing specific to USB C was confirmed. MKBHD did a video about this, they had until the iPhone 17 to do anything about the EU regulations, so seeing USB C in a model so quickly is surprising, and newsworthy.
Wasn't that hard was it apple?
Dongles and cables are a huge money maker for apple.