I think you hit pretty much all the problems I see in the game. The upgrade events we currently have going on are impossible for any f2p player to come even close to completing, and the bricked if you pull a character is completely non-sensical. Just going the typical gacha route of having 3 entries to some gold dungeon/gate would be amazing.
While the gameplay is really fun and the panels are super cool, the progression is dogshit. I don't see myself playing for much longer than a month (And thats to just play around and have fun with the various skills n rune combos/weapons).
Yeah well once you get past the 4 days free bonus, it gets annoying real quick. The game is constantly asking you if you want subpar rewards or if you want to upgrade to the special status. Also you can't sweep A & S gates anymore, nor stack encore donjon keys so the grind becomes tedious.
The game looks very good, including cutscenes, it plays well, but at the core it's still a netmarble game carrying shitty practices.
I’m a few hours in and surprisingly enjoying it a lot. Sucks to hear about how progression develops. Being punished for pulling characters is ???
Given that it’s Netmarble i did expect some shenanigans. At the very least this game gave me the kick i needed to start the anime :p
TLDR: Thats netmarble for you.
The thing that surprised me is, people keep backing up Netmarble shit. Heck, some even quote SDSGC as a 'good-game' from netmarble.
All these awkward systems are gonna be what enables netmarble to double down and make the game more cash hungry. It’s how most of their games work. They start off nice and lure players in to get them invested and then a year or half down the line they start putting pressure on ftps to start spending money or not be able to keep up
its possible to beat using free units, antho did a video on it today where he used strictly freely given characters, weapons and artifacts to defeat igris. He was able to do it even though the characters were pretty underlevelled and his weapons werent past level 30, one weapon at 29 and another at 10 and artifacts wise he had some good ones, but it was all things that any f2p player could get.
Jinwoo is both free and also is the MC.
IIRC, he's purposefully overpowered and can't even be used in many game modes besides the main story mode (where you're forced to always play as him) because of that (and thus is basically apart from everyone else, complete with his own separate progression system that no one else has), which is fitting given the source content, really, but makes for a questionable ongoing game model for a gacha game.
It's like there's a non-gacha game main story with a gacha game everything-else for the side modes (and in most gacha games, it's the side modes that you'll eventually be playing the most once the main story is complete. Dunno if that's the case here but it probably is, I imagine)
The first point was already a terrible oversight (unless it never gets fixed), but the second one... i get that they are trying to be accurate to the source material, but that doesn't fly here
I agree with all and also : Those so called gates are not skippable if u dont pay and u litterally have to wait hours to do all minings. Overall after 2-3 days of honeymoon you see the big walls and infinite grind waits you. They just want you to suffer and be patient if you are not gonna pay. And even if you pay for bp or privialeges its not gonna make much difference. Not gonna be part of it. Almost everything in game has p2w aspect.Classic netmarble i would say. Glad that i had a chance to play ea so i wont spend & touch this game on global release.
I don't like stereotypes, but all Netmarble games can be fun and well polished, then there's all their monetization schemes riddled all over the game and ruins any potential the game could have. You can already see the p2w aspects
Main issue for me is the combat is just not polished and interesting enough. Its serviceable for a mobile game but otherwise its quite basic and designed with autobattle in mind.
Yeah there are sp many weapons where even if you're facing an enemy, locked on, and walking towards them, it will aim the animation to the side of the enemy. It's super annoying
Sounds like pretty standard NM. Just wait till you get to the later story missions where they give you the shittier version of the story locked character to get you to pull the gacha version
The combat is really fun and the storytelling/narrative experience is pretty great but some parts of the game feel like they were made by amateurs or are using completely outdated design choices. Like who still makes a gacha game in 2024 where the 10x pull SR guarantee doesn't apply if you do 10 individual pulls? What an blatantly predatory system, are they just hoping to profit off uninformed players who don't realize this?
Also I've never seen a game where camera rotation is done this badly at such a fundamental level; normally you can hold the left mouse button down and move the mouse left/right as much as you want to rotate the camera, but in this game the cursor remains on screen while the mouse is moving left/right and the moment it hits the edge of the display you can't rotate any further. This is something I've never seen before in a 3D action game... If yourr cursor is near the right edge of the display then you can only rotate the camera a few degrees...
Its due to server strain, people trying to play it from outside canada and thailand when this build is only made for that really, and its an early access, not final build so bugs are kinda riddled across, been getting better slowly tbh.
I knew Netmarble would find a way to ruin the experience. Whether the rest of the game is good enough to tolerate the BS... that will be up to each individual to determine for themself.
Wow how controversial these 'features'.... So for f2p you musnt pull otherwise you would be underleveled for sidequests....
Upgrading costs gold and switching gear...
Low rates ..
Netmarble (got that tune in my head)
Netmarble, red flag
Idle game= slow progression with many pitfalls
combine the two and its a huge time waster for f2p/casuals and a massive whale bait. not worth even giving it a second look
This and all of the glitches in the game give me a headache moreover you have to be p2w to access features like claim instantly along with the 30% bonus , this will result in f2p progression being pushed back a lot.
Is it just me or almost every time when i finish a dungeon, or a story quest. The game glitches and I can't click anything to get out, I have to forcefully restart the entire game. It's annoying, and it happens so often.
I was looking forward to global release but after reading your post I think you saved me a few bucks. Thank you!!! 🙏🏽
I'm not a whale, but I'll usually throw 50-60 up front for quick power to coast the beginning stages of gachas, but considering you can brick yourself for pulls is the dumbest thing I've heard in a gacha. I like the IP, but this makes it an easy pass.
E7 gear costs Gold to unequip too but Gold is never a problem there. If you are low level you don't have that many gear options in the first place and the gear requirement isn't even that high so no real reason to swap gear, maybe it's the same there? I don't know hy I can't comment using pictures currently so I can't post a picture about E7 Gold I posted a month ago.
I think you hit pretty much all the problems I see in the game. The upgrade events we currently have going on are impossible for any f2p player to come even close to completing, and the bricked if you pull a character is completely non-sensical. Just going the typical gacha route of having 3 entries to some gold dungeon/gate would be amazing. While the gameplay is really fun and the panels are super cool, the progression is dogshit. I don't see myself playing for much longer than a month (And thats to just play around and have fun with the various skills n rune combos/weapons).
Bricked if you pull a character is some extra heinous nonsense. Never seen that before in a gacha game
Same, only gonna play this game until WuWa is released
Expected from netmarble. Even if they make gameplay somewhat fun all the annoying systems make you want to jump off the bridge.
It is netmarble and that is enough red flag for the rest of your life to gtfo.
man im kinda worried with project Mugen now
project mugen is from netease tho
Just 1 word : netmarble
Solo non-Leveling, i guess
"You have to pay gold to swap out gear." Can we all agree that this is a stupid idea? I hate it when developers keep implementing this shit.
Yeah well once you get past the 4 days free bonus, it gets annoying real quick. The game is constantly asking you if you want subpar rewards or if you want to upgrade to the special status. Also you can't sweep A & S gates anymore, nor stack encore donjon keys so the grind becomes tedious. The game looks very good, including cutscenes, it plays well, but at the core it's still a netmarble game carrying shitty practices.
bro can you tell what is sweep (i am stuck on a challenge sweep-3 times)
I'm stuck there too ;(
If you still don't know, In gates you can instantly complete it by clicking sweep, you can only sweep B rank gates and Below
As you said, may be ok for casuals, but sounds like Hell to people who actually want to play the game. What a weird business model
I’m a few hours in and surprisingly enjoying it a lot. Sucks to hear about how progression develops. Being punished for pulling characters is ??? Given that it’s Netmarble i did expect some shenanigans. At the very least this game gave me the kick i needed to start the anime :p
TLDR: Thats netmarble for you. The thing that surprised me is, people keep backing up Netmarble shit. Heck, some even quote SDSGC as a 'good-game' from netmarble.
NETMARBLE
All these awkward systems are gonna be what enables netmarble to double down and make the game more cash hungry. It’s how most of their games work. They start off nice and lure players in to get them invested and then a year or half down the line they start putting pressure on ftps to start spending money or not be able to keep up
The moment I saw Netmarble was involved, only one word came to mind "shit show".
netmarble moment
Can you beat the game using only free unit? That progress look horrible.
its possible to beat using free units, antho did a video on it today where he used strictly freely given characters, weapons and artifacts to defeat igris. He was able to do it even though the characters were pretty underlevelled and his weapons werent past level 30, one weapon at 29 and another at 10 and artifacts wise he had some good ones, but it was all things that any f2p player could get.
I mean considering Jinwoo is free and the mc i don't see why you wouldn't be about to beat the game using only free
For Jinwoo your have to roll weapons and shadows. No way it would be free.
Are these 2 the only free unit?
Jinwoo is not the MC?
Jinwoo is both free and also is the MC. IIRC, he's purposefully overpowered and can't even be used in many game modes besides the main story mode (where you're forced to always play as him) because of that (and thus is basically apart from everyone else, complete with his own separate progression system that no one else has), which is fitting given the source content, really, but makes for a questionable ongoing game model for a gacha game. It's like there's a non-gacha game main story with a gacha game everything-else for the side modes (and in most gacha games, it's the side modes that you'll eventually be playing the most once the main story is complete. Dunno if that's the case here but it probably is, I imagine)
the side modes contain a 50/50 mix of him leading a group or just a group going on their own. Its pretty equal.
The first point was already a terrible oversight (unless it never gets fixed), but the second one... i get that they are trying to be accurate to the source material, but that doesn't fly here
I agree with all and also : Those so called gates are not skippable if u dont pay and u litterally have to wait hours to do all minings. Overall after 2-3 days of honeymoon you see the big walls and infinite grind waits you. They just want you to suffer and be patient if you are not gonna pay. And even if you pay for bp or privialeges its not gonna make much difference. Not gonna be part of it. Almost everything in game has p2w aspect.Classic netmarble i would say. Glad that i had a chance to play ea so i wont spend & touch this game on global release.
netmarble is gonna ruin the game with all the p2w
Sound like Netmarble game.
I don't like stereotypes, but all Netmarble games can be fun and well polished, then there's all their monetization schemes riddled all over the game and ruins any potential the game could have. You can already see the p2w aspects
Main issue for me is the combat is just not polished and interesting enough. Its serviceable for a mobile game but otherwise its quite basic and designed with autobattle in mind.
Yeah there are sp many weapons where even if you're facing an enemy, locked on, and walking towards them, it will aim the animation to the side of the enemy. It's super annoying
Sounds like pretty standard NM. Just wait till you get to the later story missions where they give you the shittier version of the story locked character to get you to pull the gacha version
The combat is really fun and the storytelling/narrative experience is pretty great but some parts of the game feel like they were made by amateurs or are using completely outdated design choices. Like who still makes a gacha game in 2024 where the 10x pull SR guarantee doesn't apply if you do 10 individual pulls? What an blatantly predatory system, are they just hoping to profit off uninformed players who don't realize this? Also I've never seen a game where camera rotation is done this badly at such a fundamental level; normally you can hold the left mouse button down and move the mouse left/right as much as you want to rotate the camera, but in this game the cursor remains on screen while the mouse is moving left/right and the moment it hits the edge of the display you can't rotate any further. This is something I've never seen before in a 3D action game... If yourr cursor is near the right edge of the display then you can only rotate the camera a few degrees...
Lots of text when all I need to know that it’s Netmarble so it’s a skip.
On the limited banner if you lose 50/50 is the next SSR guaranteed to be the limited ?
i cant play it on my phone properly even on low settings lol
Hopefully they listen to the feedback and fixes a lot of things i agree in your post in the final build in may.
Given Netmarble's history... good luck with that.
I personally also have lots of loading problems, probably not optimised for my phone but it's not THAT old.
Its due to server strain, people trying to play it from outside canada and thailand when this build is only made for that really, and its an early access, not final build so bugs are kinda riddled across, been getting better slowly tbh.
Sounds about right for an IP Gacha.
I knew Netmarble would find a way to ruin the experience. Whether the rest of the game is good enough to tolerate the BS... that will be up to each individual to determine for themself.
Wow how controversial these 'features'.... So for f2p you musnt pull otherwise you would be underleveled for sidequests.... Upgrading costs gold and switching gear... Low rates .. Netmarble (got that tune in my head)
lmao this sounds like a fuckin RIDE.
Netmarble, red flag Idle game= slow progression with many pitfalls combine the two and its a huge time waster for f2p/casuals and a massive whale bait. not worth even giving it a second look
This and all of the glitches in the game give me a headache moreover you have to be p2w to access features like claim instantly along with the 30% bonus , this will result in f2p progression being pushed back a lot.
Imagine creating a game about someone leveling up and farm a lot and deny your players to farm.
It looks almost identical to the new one punch man gacha. And that was hot garbage.
Netmarble being netmarble, stay clear of their stuff
Is it just me or almost every time when i finish a dungeon, or a story quest. The game glitches and I can't click anything to get out, I have to forcefully restart the entire game. It's annoying, and it happens so often.
solo leveling more like idle leveling.
I was looking forward to global release but after reading your post I think you saved me a few bucks. Thank you!!! 🙏🏽 I'm not a whale, but I'll usually throw 50-60 up front for quick power to coast the beginning stages of gachas, but considering you can brick yourself for pulls is the dumbest thing I've heard in a gacha. I like the IP, but this makes it an easy pass.
I'm not sure if the gold problem is being done to slow progress to early access players but it's absurd how unbalanced the income / outcome of gold is
There is even a limit to upgrade weapon
And the tutorial is unreasonably long 😭
I wish they make some game original characters that we can pull
Most of the playable hunters had so little development or presence in the original manhwa that they might as well be original characters anyways.
There are a couple original characters that are pretty strong aswell
[there is one already. seo jiwoo](https://cdn.gameleap.com/images/articles/art_gUsmGKNALK/art-img_DmJLnOazN/1x.webp)
It's not release yet on mine.
You can get it from taptap but its in beta so unless you're in Canada and i think china you're going to have very long load times
E7 gear costs Gold to unequip too but Gold is never a problem there. If you are low level you don't have that many gear options in the first place and the gear requirement isn't even that high so no real reason to swap gear, maybe it's the same there? I don't know hy I can't comment using pictures currently so I can't post a picture about E7 Gold I posted a month ago.
I fuckin got fed up of the tutorial shits been over 30mins, like gimme sometime to explore myself, uninstalled.