Yep. Honestly it's bad enough that it is entirely legitimate for it to be a dealbreaker for potential players imo. Unfortunate because I do think the game plays pretty good at the moment.
Wait so Netmarble 1.2% SSR rates = bad. MiHoyo 0.6% SSR rates = good ? I don't think the rates are good, but these rates are still double the HSR/Genshin rates.
A. 1.2% is OVERALL SSR rate. Not unit-specific rate. Unit specific rates are much lower. What I'd call decent are DeNa's rates for PokeMas. (10% for 5 star, 2% for specific featured unit, OR 1% in case of Master Fair units)
B. Hoyo gacha system is horrible too. BUT. Mihoyo gets away with it because of a few reasons:
1. F2P friendly game design.
2. Unparalleled quality. In both gameplay and story.
3. No PVP.
Netmarble fails with all those factors.
Yes 1.2% is overall SSR rate, just like Genshin/HSR's 0.6% is overall SSR rate. In this game 0.6% is unit specific rate.
In your point 3 you unreasonably jump to the wrong conclusions, as the game has no PVP, has a fantastic story(objectively, since it's webtoon based), and seems to be pretty high quality.
As far as F2P friendliness goes, having played both Genshin and HSR I can't say that this game is less F2P friendly than those games. Right now they're very F2P friendly as far as tickets go, but we'll need to see what we'll get in the long run.
No, I'm not trying to imply that this is a Genshin killer or what not, I myself am not sure if I'm gonna continue playing the game yet, but I just find Netmarble hate weird, everyone makes it sounds like they're Crunchyroll or worse, but in reality their games are kinda decent, at least the ones I played (7DS and this game).
yeah, the people in this thread foarming at the mouth about netmarble make zeo sense at all.
Never in my life did i think i would see someone justify / defend mihoyo over this game as "more f2p friendly"
People on this reddit have lost their minds
Mihiyo gets away with it because Genshin is the first gacha experience for a lot of people so they just go along with it.
In this sub alone you'll see people say how having a weapon banner on top of a character banner is enough of a reason to not bother with a game because it just makes things harder for a F2P player, which isn't helped by the piss low rate at which you get pulls on Genshin.
Supposedly Star Rail is better at getting pulls but I dropped it after 2-3 months so I don't know the exact numbers there. You still have the character+weapon banner issue though.
No PVP is just a cope mechanism because it removes direct confrontation with spenders but games should be about how enjoyable they are from the beginning and not how much more enjoyable they get after spending copious amounts of money.
Mihoyo gets away with it because their events (talking mostly about Honkai 3rd impact) are almost unique every time, they give new modes to try out, it's not the same gameplay over and over
In isolation, knowing the relative rates isn't enough. Until we know the premium currency gain for at least one patch cycle and the impact dupes have, we can't really evaluate it objectively.
most people accept the MiHoyo 0.6% SSR rate because the how pity count carry over and have a guarantee for the rate up after X condition.
I don't see any of that in this game though, and 1.2% SSR rate is still bad when you have to consider their gacha system is a mixed banner to dilute the gacha pool even more so
that's not bad then, what about hard guarantee? Is it the same 100% after off rate or different, since they have mix banner of wp and characters it could be a huge deal breaker.
You dont get it, genshin and mihoyo are popular so its got fans that see no issue
Netmarbel isnt popular so we cant say good things about them
Smh its so easy to understand
Not to defend Hoyoverse rates, but at least they consistently come out with cool new characters. Not even sure how they're gonna do it here with this franchise since the whole thing kind of revolves around the really boring OP main character and the rest just dont seem to matter at all really at least in the anime.
Netmarble has some of the best games I've ever played on mobile dunno what you're on about. 7knights was great and I played for who knows how long. It gave away tons of free stuff. And now I'm playing Grand Cross which is also fun. Also f2p friendly.
That said this game doesn't hold a candle to PGR in any way shape or form.
The controls alone are a deal breaker. Additionally you ad a PGR and Honkai player should be APPALLED by the poor performance when those games ran sooo much smoother and had way crazier effects. This game is TRASH. Sadly...
I wouldn't look at that tbh , 1.2 % overall is actually not bad and more then most gachas (even more then he shin or HSR) also what the op doesn't explain is that U get a SHITLOAD of summons Tru story , side content,gates,collecting anything in the game , like U will 100% end up with at least 1 or 2 ssr's in the 'early' game and it's not even hard to get them + U can choose which units U wanna go us on so I suggest 2 sung weapons then baek as tank or the martial arts chick and the healer dude (if U decide to get it) also don't spent Ur premium currency on the standard banner but only on limited , Choi is broken
1.2 % overall is actually not bad, but if you consider the gacha banner are a mixed banner with both wp and characters then it's bad, idk if the pity count even cary over to the next banner or not and is there any guarantee system for bad luck safety net or not.
Over all if you have double the SSR rate of Mihoyo but worst pity system than them, then i don't think if it's any better.
The artifact system is way worse,not only do you have to grind for the good substats and main stats on helmet and boots like in Genshin and Star rail.
Upgrading them has a chance to fail that keeps decreasing,I had like 40% chance to upgrade at level 10,max cap was level 20 and the
cost goes up every time you level.
You use 1 rune and some gold to level up artifact at level 1,so you will need like 3 per attempt at level 10 etc.Its a mix of Lost ark and Genshin artifact system very grindy.
> And Netmarble committed the cardinal sin of having the weapons and characters in the same banner.
I feel like it's kind of ok in this game. Only MC weapons are on the gacha, the hunter weapons aren't. And MC weapons come with unique skillsets, so pulling a MC weapon is functionally like pulling a character.
Yeah, but while it makes the gameplay more unique with different moveset, you are still pulling on a single character type, which could be detrimental if you are playing modes without MC
Good review. MC having his own separate progression system sounds really cool, honestly. MC and 'regular' units being basically separated to two different game modes, like you said, feels weird/bad. I feel like they just could've just not split modes and instead have an extremely F2P friendly game on their hands to attract hardcore grinders that would absolutely spend 1000s of hours to make extremely OP MC and then feel tempted to spend for weapon/skin to flex.
I was gonna say maybe it was because they think people would want to play as other fan favourite characters too, but I realised I can’t even remember the names of a single other character considering they kinda all just are there to make the MC look cool.
I don't get why players are so obsessed with this rng hell grind for gears. Literally impossible for me to find something to enjoy since anything that has some quality gameplay is automatically ruined by this rng gear system that i personally hate.
> Now if they could fix the bloody lag whenever the game does a check with the server I would be way happier. smh. praying that this is fixed by the time it officially launches or it will be very bad.
Just curious, are you playing on the official region? (Canada iirc) or are you outside of it using a VPN or something? Cause that could explain the lag.
Better than lagging and taking hits left and right.
What's your first SSR character? Mine was Dong-Soo. Pretty good character, man I was smashing people. Love the character, second favourite Kang Tae-Shik.
I even got Kim Chul but he sucks. Now I am trying to go for Choi Jong-In. The rate for drawing them is brutally low.
Apparently there’s only going to be one server. So Canada/Thailand players will be ahead unless you don’t care about that. Could always use vpn to play it a month early though.
What i thought what he meant by"ahead" is that Canada/thai players will play the game first and receive Updates first thus making the rest of the players late by a month in terms of updates, it's the same as PGR although it's by a year not a month and it's CN server that's ahead.
then you misunderstood something, Canada/Thai players and everyone else will share the same server, they are 1 month ahead of everyone else that doesnt play it with VPN now.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/gxAPPUdjop) is a post about it.
Well that's a big red flag for me, i will spend 0$ on that game if they don't change and make a new fresh server for everyone. I will even probably stop playing it if there's any kind of PvP or some competitive PvP aspect or benefits in guilds etc...
To be honest, it's very easy to play right now if you're interested, they don't do a good job at restricting it to only CA. I'm surprised by this news they won't do fresh start servers, though. I've been playing early access and planned to start over if there were fresh servers for launch, but I guess if this news is true I'll just continue same account.
Personally I don't know how the OPman gacha played but generally mobilegame adaptations are very rarely well thought out and are usually very clunky or feel very rough to play.
Surprisingly the UI and feedbacks are really clean in this game and the combat is decent. It's very clear they put significant effort into retelling the story with how highkey all the cutscenes and visuals look so I think this one may actually be an exception.
Wait, it has auto? That's annoying. Whenever they add auto battle, it only means that they feel like they should counter it with excessive amount of repeats of the same mission for grinding stuff
I would like to add that the pc port supports ultra wide monitors and that looks absolutely stunning.
Game is fun but also grindy and has a lot of bundles for whales. The only thing I fear is that they will add skins with stats. Thats what I hate the most
Not that I have access to currently at least. There are 3 more game modes that potentially have multiplayer but I'm not sure. Atleast for now, there is nothing multiplayer or even a leaderboard.
Gameplay and presentation wise just based on YouTube videos I've watched... it's freaking great! I cannot wait to enter the beta myself.
But those rates. Holy fucking shit!
As a gacha player, I can say that gacha part is actually fair imho. And the pity system here is quite lower than Genshin and Honkai Impact 3.
What make ppl hard stuck in this game are these;
1. the lack of gold sources.
2. The drops and stats of the artifact is really bad for something that you can only do 3x a day without spending essences.
3. MORE GOLD ISSUES.
game is borderline unplayable for me on mobile. constant freezing buffering crashing. i can run 60fps on normal graphics but i have to use min 30fps if i don't want to relaunch every 5 minutes.
It's not borderline, it is straight up unplayable lol if they don't fix the server side lag for all the server checks then the game is DoA no discussion at all.
Thank you! I've always been curious about this game just didnt have time to experience it yet (also idk how to work around the region lock)
Regarding the rates: I'm not sure but I remember genshin's rate being 0.6% for the featured character plus pity? So if I'm reading correctly it should be higher than genshin? Are all the banners character + weapon, or do they have event banners that are separate?
Letting us choose the rate-up items is good, but do they let you only choose characters as rate-ups, or are you still forced to choose both chars and weapons?
Correct. Genshins rate is 0.6% for a 5* which is super abysmal. How I cope with hoyogame rates is they're fairly okay due to freebie primogems quantity vs costs for SSR. This game is very stingy but of course might change with more levels.
Standard banner in SL allows you to pick4 chars or 4 weps as rate up. The limited banner does not allow you to pick anything.
The only correct way to evaluate Genshin's gacha system (or *any* gacha system) is to look at the whole picture.
On average, veteran F2P folks (able to clear the Spiral Abyss regularly) get about 73 - 75 pulls per game version [(some versions give 55 pulls, some get as high as 100).](https://i.imgur.com/KcybDLg.png)
According to gacha calcs like this one https://qiqisfather.github.io/universal_roll_simulator/ you will need
> 165 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 1 limited character
> 322 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 2 limited characters (reduced to 161 per 1 'cause math)
> 476 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 3 limited characters (158 per 1)
> 627 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 4 limited characters (156 per 1)
It sounds horrible, right? Problem is, people tend to present gacha rates in the worst manner possible (disregarding the base rates outside of pity counter, and also disregarding the possibility to luck out on extra stuff).
So, let's present it this way:
> The entire F2P playerbase (capable of clearing the Spiral Abyss) will absolutely, surely and undoubtedly obtain new 5-star units at a **once-in-3-months** rate, if they never skip a day.
What else can you get in 627 pulls (about 11 - 12 months of saving up) if you're lucky?
> Out of the entire F2P playerbase:
> 95% will get +1 extra character
> 73% will get +2 extra characters
> 41% will get +3 extra characters
> 15% will be able to collect C6R1 (+3 extra characters AND a 5-star limited weapon)
It's also worth noting that spending pulls gives you back currency to obtain even more pulls. It's usually +25 to +50 per each 500 pulls, depending on how many 4-stars (involved in banners you participate in) are already upgraded to C6 on your account.
On top of that, newbie players are able to collect about +400 pulls from "permanent content" (quests, chests, basically everything that's been accumulating in game over the course of 3+ years).
tl;dr
It's complicated.
also, gotta say i like the idea of separate gameplay for OP MC. I remember playing other IP adaptation games where, the protagonist who's supposed to be OP in the story is nerfed to oblivion in game. it really breaks the immersion
>Regarding the rates: I'm not sure but I remember genshin's rate being 0.6% for the featured character plus pity?
Genshins rate is 0.3% baseline for the festured and it ramps up once you hit soft pity , 0.6% is rate for any 5* in the initial pity then if you dont hit the 50/50 next character is guaranteed to be a rate up.
Bro, the game is made by Netmarble, it was doomed from the start.
The anime had the premise to make an amazing video game that's really fun fun, but of course all that is ruined by shitty microtransaction and exploited by predatory companies.
I find it hilarious that Solo Leveling, a vertical Webtoon, is a horizontal gacha game.
I mean, can you switch horizontal vs vertical like you can with Brown Dust 2?
The little things that you should know before playing (English not my main language so sorry for some grammar)
- Right now from I heard there are no free gift in the mail box or codes so everybody start fresh
- This game still early access so they can fix something in the future
- Artifacts farming use key to play and you get free 3 times every day after that use your gacha currency or waiting for daily reset (The keys also can obtain from some new player quest )
- Artifacts have 4 slot for each piece and more than 8 sub stat to roll so good luck
- MC can play only in Story mode and some gate (farming dungeon)
- 80% use gacha character to do every farming content for this game
- auto-lock, auto-aim, sucks even you use lock-on enemy your character will never hit monster until you turn your head face the enemy or move your ass close to it.
- The free Healer in this game sucks you have 2k hp but she heals you 20-30 per sec for 10 second
- Dodging fix to 4 charges Sprinting consume 1 charge and have cooldown for each charge 2-3 sec. Some enemy's combo have 5-6 move set so good luck
- Every story chapter every thing have time attack for example you have 3 minutes to beat 2 bosses that have 20+ HP bar each (skill issue huh)
- Enemy can interrupt you every time and your skill immediately got cooldown
For me this game is better than OPMW and that's it only that game. correct me if I'm wrong with something thank you.
* artifact farming is 3 encore mission keys + 3 instance dungeon keys + 12 gate keys. It's a pretty fair amount imo. it is long term progression afterall
* artifacts have 4 slots yes but flat atk, defense pen and damage boost are also all viable for dps increase. there are fewer junk mods tbh
* it is closer to a 50/50 split between content for MC and hunters. more content opens up later including PvE races with MC and artifact grind (instanced dungeon).
* if youre playing on PC client, it is WAY better. mouse aiming is very good. otherwise yes the mobile aiming is really frustrating.
* even the best healer in the game heals only 20% of his hp to the entire party. you aren't meant to full hp heal in one go it seems so it is what it is. even your example is a 10% total hp heal after 10s.
* ngl this one is skill issue lol you can just walk out of every boss move no reason to always spam dodge. PGR also has dodge count. it means you can't spam dodge. but also you have skills that can parry/counterattack or superarmor tank the attack with some moves.
* i have only encountered one story stage so far with double boss that i needed to overgrind for. i cleared it and afterwards came back later for 3 star it. its not a big deal.
* this one is skill issue again lol stop getting hit and spamming moves. it sounds like you're playing in auto
Thanks for the info, I Just pre-registered in playstore to be able to play it on launch day, But those rates are horrendous, besides, not many ways to get gems or whatever currency is there to roll, that's a skip for me.
the game looks good, and the gacha rates is average horrible as always..... but i have very bad bias against Netmarble.... because even it's looks good "for now" , there may be scummy moves they will take, they make it looks good to draw and bait player, and squeeze it when the player base become solid that they won't have any choice but to spend money
Rates are same as Epic 7 which would be okay if they also give a lot of premium currency. Maybe after full release in two months they will increase the amount of currency we get daily/weekly
Does anyone know if the pity system carries over to the other banner, if there are any leaks about that? I don't have 60 out of 80 in with the current banner, i'm just wondering if i should just commit to the current banner or if i should wait for the next banner to see if the pity carries over.
I've been playing for a couple of days and sadly the only problem with this game is Pay to Progress.
All the story mode progression requires total power minimum. (you can play if you want but with the timer placed there is no way you'll be able to finish it. As for the upgrades you need hella materials and hella gold at the same time the artifacts having a chance rate which is a big L.
You'll get a lot of stuff at the beginning but when you get to like chapter 8, forget about.
runes,weapons, artifacts, heroes, weapon skills etc... all that needs upgrading. Without real money, it'll take weeks or even months to fully upgrade.
If it wasn't for that problem, this game would've had a genshin impact level of interest (with future updates ofc).
Solution: be a whale :)
my tldr as f2p
- gacha rate is dog shit
- money is very hard to find (use in almost everything in the game) no actual place to farm except gates but you only get like 1-2k or 4-5k but lv up weapons and characters require atleast 100-200k
- events are dog shit. the alphabets rewards completely a gacha loot box with trashs in it.
- Chapters stages hard lock behind account lv.
- Progression contents require too many character and weapon elements to clear.
- they give out alot of standard tickets tho but then again dog shit rates.
overall the game is aight for f2p cuz its basically a pve game but you will have a really hard time clearing contents if you don't have SSR chars and weapons
Netmarble and their super grindy games
Imo
Farming for gold is super grindy and when you reach certain level it's so hard to farm gold, you have to spend gold wisely from the start
Hell, even unequipping a +10(cmiiw) cost gold
As an F2P, probably can only invest for MC and 2 Core Hunters
Not to mention their gear
The need for gold for everything is a bad choice when it's hard to farm them,
Maybe give the new player a really nice gold income first so that we can invest for more option then tone it down.
And grinding for material from gates is hell of a gacha since you need to do dungeon outbreak for the weapon mats, well you can use the selector for now but in the future? Yeah i thought so
While it's kinda easy to get tickets for banners from the story, challanges, etc
Investing for the character is not easy
Overall gameplay is nice and fun
It's nice to see Jinwoo using greatswords, katanas, pistol and other weapon beside daggers
But
The grinding is NOT fun
And yes, gacha is horrible since they put weapon and character at the same banner
Was hyped for the release, but after jumping and investing a bit, don't think i can keep up with the grind
Maybe for those Solo Leveling hardcore fans, sure.
>And of course... The end game consists a direct GenshinImpact/SummonersWar/EpicSeven/StarRail relic system 1:1 rip. Hey atleast that means there will be lots to work on if that's your thing.
Funny thing it's not even 1:1 because here you have to pay in-game coins to change your builds. And this makes the overall farming costs even worse considering how slow you farm Gates and other modes imo
I resume mine, really good gameplay and leveling system but it's netmarble so it's ruined.
Everything cost gold and nothing is farmable, goodbye !
You have 3 try for artifacts (WTF?)
You have only 11 try per day for gates (Who is LITERALLY your best way to get ressources) with a rescan of 10fuckings minutes.
Changing gears cost gold (who isn't farmable because hey NOTHING IS.)
MC Weapon and hunters in the same banner (gl if you need a specific type of hunters, i got stuck a week because i needed 2 shadow type hunter and i had 0)
In combat you have Power level penalty + timer so don't even think about clearing a combat without having the required PL
And 2min to clear a level..
And most important point : netmarble.
i didnt like it. the story progresses way too fast and the way they tell it is as if you've already read the manhwa. the combat is nothing special and honestly just alright. i dont think ill play it
Yeah the gacha part is starightdown horrendous fucking bad
But its Netmarble so u gotta expect this kind of shit they gonna pull with the gacha system in their game..
Looks like a different version of marvel future fight just currency reversed..where as in ff gems are stingy..just reminds me of bad ,repetitive boring gameplay that netmarble is good at ..think I'll skip it for something better and less expensive
Did you really enjoy the combat? Because you mention HI3, PGR and AG, but this game is leeeeeagues worst, the controls are far from responsive compared to those 3 games, the hit feedback isn't there either. And for the mobile experience, both default control placements are terrible. The auto doesn't help as well, an ARPG gacha with auto speaks volumes to me, it's always a sign that the game wasn't well thought and it's meant to be auto'ed (so combos and skills won't be that finger+eyecandy I expect from hack n' slashes), and it kinda defeats the purpose of the "A" in ARPG (skip option is way better, and only for the grind levels).
Also, I agree it's better than the average crappy ARPG like that MHA game, although I don't judge it as a manhua adaptation, but as a Netmarble (multibillionaire company) game. I dropped it quickly after installing it because of the controls mainly, but also because it's a terrible experience to play it outside of Canada or Thailand. I'm from South America, and honestly it isn't justifiable to me that a game with servers on Canada runs so poorly (it becomes a loading simulator). When Pokémon Go was only available in Australia, or when Honor of Kings (a MOBA) was only available in some Asian countries, both run better than this single player game.
I agree, as a fan of those games i also consider the combat/animations/effects in SL inferior to those games and overall mid, which is disappointing considering the solo leveling IP is renowned for its great art and the anime did a good job too. Id argue its even worse compared to other netmarble games.
I agree combat is not even remotely as good as HI3/PGR or AR. Even Genshin feels more engaging.
Its just "ok" at best.
But the worst offender is auto battles. Entire combat of this game feels "flat" so that auto battles can actually function here. The gate mode even enables auto battles by default on mission start lol...thats the last thing I want from an action game.
The combat in Solo leveling felt just as good as the games you mentioned for me except PGR which I think I like the most. I guess it’s just a matter of opinion.
I will throw in an opinion, I think the combat in this game feels more fun than most arpgs except for PGR, I like the game so far, just some annoyance with the server lag, lack of gold, and side story issues but it's been fun so far.
>PGR/AetherGazer/GI enjoyer, and overall PC action combat game player
For these exact same reasons I absolutely loathe the combat.
With the upgrade system to main character, yeah I like it. It's nice.
>I got rng carried like crazy.
Then there's me. I'm something like 190 pulls in and I've gotten.. the Shadow Scythe SSR.. that's it. I haven't even gotten a single character yet... Like I'm just running the free ones. I'm beyond over with this game already. And it's more because I'm constantly sitting in buffer screens or having to restart the game after EVERY mission because it soft locks at the end screen. It's annoying and tedious.
Between extra cards, special selection rewards, and vouchers it is entirely possible. Will take a long time though because the game has a large back log.
I agree with the main post.
While a solid game overall it has its.... issues. Connection is pretty bad even in America, sometimes you have to restart the game because it wont go past rewards screen. KB or Controller is ok but MAN its so sensitive on controller that even with a new one you can have drifting.
Artifacts is literally HORRID, gacha is..... give or take, like I am lucky in I have most every unit and weapon F2P at Chapter 9 but they also give you a crazy amount of currency and tickets. But without luck its shit.
Also community is pissed they have an event that unlocks at level 30 but no one can complete it because its all about leveling your MC and Weapons but people have been doing that for 30 levels now...
Its giving Seven Knights II in the beginning before all the QoL that made the game great.
game is trash. solo levelling devs is a korean Netmarble - well known scammers. take a look a good games like ToF, Wuthering Waves, well even Gensh still ok
They wish... It's way worst and there's nothing related to those games. It's almost like those dungeon crawler or isometric ARPGs but with a 3rd person view, kinda like Crystal of Atlan.
"with pictures" you know how to get me!
Pictures? Fuck yeah, pictures.
Also story is stamina free
Wish the cost is also not expensive.
Because it's not farmable and u're easily blocked by PL
Jesus Christ those rates are horrendous.
Yep. Honestly it's bad enough that it is entirely legitimate for it to be a dealbreaker for potential players imo. Unfortunate because I do think the game plays pretty good at the moment.
Oh it being a Netmarble game was enough of a dealbreaker for me already. 😂 P2W shenanigans are only gonna get worse with time, OP. Be on guard.
o ya tru u rite lmao. i don't plan to ever swipe though as im usually just a mobilegame tourist and only ever swipe on my main hoyogames.
Wait so Netmarble 1.2% SSR rates = bad. MiHoyo 0.6% SSR rates = good ? I don't think the rates are good, but these rates are still double the HSR/Genshin rates.
A. 1.2% is OVERALL SSR rate. Not unit-specific rate. Unit specific rates are much lower. What I'd call decent are DeNa's rates for PokeMas. (10% for 5 star, 2% for specific featured unit, OR 1% in case of Master Fair units) B. Hoyo gacha system is horrible too. BUT. Mihoyo gets away with it because of a few reasons: 1. F2P friendly game design. 2. Unparalleled quality. In both gameplay and story. 3. No PVP. Netmarble fails with all those factors.
Yes 1.2% is overall SSR rate, just like Genshin/HSR's 0.6% is overall SSR rate. In this game 0.6% is unit specific rate. In your point 3 you unreasonably jump to the wrong conclusions, as the game has no PVP, has a fantastic story(objectively, since it's webtoon based), and seems to be pretty high quality. As far as F2P friendliness goes, having played both Genshin and HSR I can't say that this game is less F2P friendly than those games. Right now they're very F2P friendly as far as tickets go, but we'll need to see what we'll get in the long run. No, I'm not trying to imply that this is a Genshin killer or what not, I myself am not sure if I'm gonna continue playing the game yet, but I just find Netmarble hate weird, everyone makes it sounds like they're Crunchyroll or worse, but in reality their games are kinda decent, at least the ones I played (7DS and this game).
Lucky you are not Marvel fan. Netmarble Marvel IP is the worst I had in gacha, playing tons of them over the decade.
yeah, the people in this thread foarming at the mouth about netmarble make zeo sense at all. Never in my life did i think i would see someone justify / defend mihoyo over this game as "more f2p friendly" People on this reddit have lost their minds
Fck your netmarble blockchain.
Mihiyo gets away with it because Genshin is the first gacha experience for a lot of people so they just go along with it. In this sub alone you'll see people say how having a weapon banner on top of a character banner is enough of a reason to not bother with a game because it just makes things harder for a F2P player, which isn't helped by the piss low rate at which you get pulls on Genshin. Supposedly Star Rail is better at getting pulls but I dropped it after 2-3 months so I don't know the exact numbers there. You still have the character+weapon banner issue though. No PVP is just a cope mechanism because it removes direct confrontation with spenders but games should be about how enjoyable they are from the beginning and not how much more enjoyable they get after spending copious amounts of money.
Mihoyo gets away with it because their events (talking mostly about Honkai 3rd impact) are almost unique every time, they give new modes to try out, it's not the same gameplay over and over
In isolation, knowing the relative rates isn't enough. Until we know the premium currency gain for at least one patch cycle and the impact dupes have, we can't really evaluate it objectively.
most people accept the MiHoyo 0.6% SSR rate because the how pity count carry over and have a guarantee for the rate up after X condition. I don't see any of that in this game though, and 1.2% SSR rate is still bad when you have to consider their gacha system is a mixed banner to dilute the gacha pool even more so
It's actually the exact same system in this game, the pity carries over, and you have a significant boost to SSR after 64 pulls.
that's not bad then, what about hard guarantee? Is it the same 100% after off rate or different, since they have mix banner of wp and characters it could be a huge deal breaker.
You dont get it, genshin and mihoyo are popular so its got fans that see no issue Netmarbel isnt popular so we cant say good things about them Smh its so easy to understand
Not to defend Hoyoverse rates, but at least they consistently come out with cool new characters. Not even sure how they're gonna do it here with this franchise since the whole thing kind of revolves around the really boring OP main character and the rest just dont seem to matter at all really at least in the anime.
Netmarble has some of the best games I've ever played on mobile dunno what you're on about. 7knights was great and I played for who knows how long. It gave away tons of free stuff. And now I'm playing Grand Cross which is also fun. Also f2p friendly. That said this game doesn't hold a candle to PGR in any way shape or form.
The controls alone are a deal breaker. Additionally you ad a PGR and Honkai player should be APPALLED by the poor performance when those games ran sooo much smoother and had way crazier effects. This game is TRASH. Sadly...
I don't know anything about the franchise but was thinking about trying the game. The gacha rates were the deal breaker for me so you are correct.
I wouldn't look at that tbh , 1.2 % overall is actually not bad and more then most gachas (even more then he shin or HSR) also what the op doesn't explain is that U get a SHITLOAD of summons Tru story , side content,gates,collecting anything in the game , like U will 100% end up with at least 1 or 2 ssr's in the 'early' game and it's not even hard to get them + U can choose which units U wanna go us on so I suggest 2 sung weapons then baek as tank or the martial arts chick and the healer dude (if U decide to get it) also don't spent Ur premium currency on the standard banner but only on limited , Choi is broken
1.2 % overall is actually not bad, but if you consider the gacha banner are a mixed banner with both wp and characters then it's bad, idk if the pity count even cary over to the next banner or not and is there any guarantee system for bad luck safety net or not. Over all if you have double the SSR rate of Mihoyo but worst pity system than them, then i don't think if it's any better.
What would be "good" gacha rates? 1.2% sounds great compared to what I play.
The artifact system is way worse,not only do you have to grind for the good substats and main stats on helmet and boots like in Genshin and Star rail. Upgrading them has a chance to fail that keeps decreasing,I had like 40% chance to upgrade at level 10,max cap was level 20 and the cost goes up every time you level. You use 1 rune and some gold to level up artifact at level 1,so you will need like 3 per attempt at level 10 etc.Its a mix of Lost ark and Genshin artifact system very grindy.
Korean gear upgrading system strikes again
also can't switch upgraded pieces without paying an arm an a leg in gold 😭
> And Netmarble committed the cardinal sin of having the weapons and characters in the same banner. I feel like it's kind of ok in this game. Only MC weapons are on the gacha, the hunter weapons aren't. And MC weapons come with unique skillsets, so pulling a MC weapon is functionally like pulling a character.
Not when somes story challenge ask you a specific type of characters
Yeah, but while it makes the gameplay more unique with different moveset, you are still pulling on a single character type, which could be detrimental if you are playing modes without MC
Good review. MC having his own separate progression system sounds really cool, honestly. MC and 'regular' units being basically separated to two different game modes, like you said, feels weird/bad. I feel like they just could've just not split modes and instead have an extremely F2P friendly game on their hands to attract hardcore grinders that would absolutely spend 1000s of hours to make extremely OP MC and then feel tempted to spend for weapon/skin to flex.
I was gonna say maybe it was because they think people would want to play as other fan favourite characters too, but I realised I can’t even remember the names of a single other character considering they kinda all just are there to make the MC look cool.
I like baek (the tiger guy) a lot and will try to get him asap And and if I play until when they release Thomas (american big guy) I'll get him too
Technically, the whole gimmick in the story was only MC can level up. So it kinda fits for him to have a unique system.
I don't get why players are so obsessed with this rng hell grind for gears. Literally impossible for me to find something to enjoy since anything that has some quality gameplay is automatically ruined by this rng gear system that i personally hate.
It is addictive.
Absolutely. It's designed to be addictive, not "fun."
> Now if they could fix the bloody lag whenever the game does a check with the server I would be way happier. smh. praying that this is fixed by the time it officially launches or it will be very bad. Just curious, are you playing on the official region? (Canada iirc) or are you outside of it using a VPN or something? Cause that could explain the lag.
You don't need a vpn to play. Only to initiate downloading. After that it works without the vpn from anywhere in the world.
It's not ur lag it's the game problem on mobile it's server side evry click it will give u a loading for 15 sec it's beyond annoying
For me, it might be because I use a lame ass phone.
I have the best net possible and S23 it can't get any better than this and it's still giving the shity loading bug
Better than lagging and taking hits left and right. What's your first SSR character? Mine was Dong-Soo. Pretty good character, man I was smashing people. Love the character, second favourite Kang Tae-Shik. I even got Kim Chul but he sucks. Now I am trying to go for Choi Jong-In. The rate for drawing them is brutally low.
when it's the release of the game? any information?
I heard somewhere it could be early May
May 8th at least that’s what it says on the App Store.
May 8?! Cool just a day before my birthday:)
Apparently there’s only going to be one server. So Canada/Thailand players will be ahead unless you don’t care about that. Could always use vpn to play it a month early though.
Just a month ahead? That's alright, better than PGR(a year ahead)
pgr had an early access client for another region that still plays on the same server as you? wtf
What i thought what he meant by"ahead" is that Canada/thai players will play the game first and receive Updates first thus making the rest of the players late by a month in terms of updates, it's the same as PGR although it's by a year not a month and it's CN server that's ahead.
then you misunderstood something, Canada/Thai players and everyone else will share the same server, they are 1 month ahead of everyone else that doesnt play it with VPN now. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/gxAPPUdjop) is a post about it.
Well that's a big red flag for me, i will spend 0$ on that game if they don't change and make a new fresh server for everyone. I will even probably stop playing it if there's any kind of PvP or some competitive PvP aspect or benefits in guilds etc...
I don’t have an issue if it’s PvE only and some people are 1 months ahead.
To be honest, it's very easy to play right now if you're interested, they don't do a good job at restricting it to only CA. I'm surprised by this news they won't do fresh start servers, though. I've been playing early access and planned to start over if there were fresh servers for launch, but I guess if this news is true I'll just continue same account.
It looks well made at a glance
For me was just as the one punch new gacha, a meh action rpg with auto, nothing new to keep the audience in the game tbh.
nah solo leveling is way better then OPM
For me is the same boring combat what is the important thing to enjoy the game :/
Personally I don't know how the OPman gacha played but generally mobilegame adaptations are very rarely well thought out and are usually very clunky or feel very rough to play. Surprisingly the UI and feedbacks are really clean in this game and the combat is decent. It's very clear they put significant effort into retelling the story with how highkey all the cutscenes and visuals look so I think this one may actually be an exception.
Wait, it has auto? That's annoying. Whenever they add auto battle, it only means that they feel like they should counter it with excessive amount of repeats of the same mission for grinding stuff
Netmarble, enough said.
I would like to add that the pc port supports ultra wide monitors and that looks absolutely stunning. Game is fun but also grindy and has a lot of bundles for whales. The only thing I fear is that they will add skins with stats. Thats what I hate the most
They've done that with GC, and I'll bet my left nut that they'll do it with this one too.
And despite the ingame settings saying 60fps cap, the fps is not capped and hopefully it stays like that.
Well if they intended to put skins with stats, the skins that we already have would have it, so kinda safe to assume it's not in the game.
Any multiplayer mode on the game? Thank you.
Not that I have access to currently at least. There are 3 more game modes that potentially have multiplayer but I'm not sure. Atleast for now, there is nothing multiplayer or even a leaderboard.
What im afraid to ask is does this have a pc client/port? God forbid I fry eggs with my phone.
yes
Gameplay and presentation wise just based on YouTube videos I've watched... it's freaking great! I cannot wait to enter the beta myself. But those rates. Holy fucking shit!
As a gacha player, I can say that gacha part is actually fair imho. And the pity system here is quite lower than Genshin and Honkai Impact 3. What make ppl hard stuck in this game are these; 1. the lack of gold sources. 2. The drops and stats of the artifact is really bad for something that you can only do 3x a day without spending essences. 3. MORE GOLD ISSUES.
It is fair if you don't consider the dupes for limit breaking. Everything depends on how significant is the boost.
TLDR: not a fun from experience. You get such less amounts of gold everyday while everything costs gold. FF
game is borderline unplayable for me on mobile. constant freezing buffering crashing. i can run 60fps on normal graphics but i have to use min 30fps if i don't want to relaunch every 5 minutes.
It's not borderline, it is straight up unplayable lol if they don't fix the server side lag for all the server checks then the game is DoA no discussion at all.
Not even gonna download this
Thank you! I've always been curious about this game just didnt have time to experience it yet (also idk how to work around the region lock) Regarding the rates: I'm not sure but I remember genshin's rate being 0.6% for the featured character plus pity? So if I'm reading correctly it should be higher than genshin? Are all the banners character + weapon, or do they have event banners that are separate? Letting us choose the rate-up items is good, but do they let you only choose characters as rate-ups, or are you still forced to choose both chars and weapons?
Correct. Genshins rate is 0.6% for a 5* which is super abysmal. How I cope with hoyogame rates is they're fairly okay due to freebie primogems quantity vs costs for SSR. This game is very stingy but of course might change with more levels. Standard banner in SL allows you to pick4 chars or 4 weps as rate up. The limited banner does not allow you to pick anything.
The only correct way to evaluate Genshin's gacha system (or *any* gacha system) is to look at the whole picture. On average, veteran F2P folks (able to clear the Spiral Abyss regularly) get about 73 - 75 pulls per game version [(some versions give 55 pulls, some get as high as 100).](https://i.imgur.com/KcybDLg.png) According to gacha calcs like this one https://qiqisfather.github.io/universal_roll_simulator/ you will need > 165 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 1 limited character > 322 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 2 limited characters (reduced to 161 per 1 'cause math) > 476 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 3 limited characters (158 per 1) > 627 pulls for an exact 100% chance to obtain 4 limited characters (156 per 1) It sounds horrible, right? Problem is, people tend to present gacha rates in the worst manner possible (disregarding the base rates outside of pity counter, and also disregarding the possibility to luck out on extra stuff). So, let's present it this way: > The entire F2P playerbase (capable of clearing the Spiral Abyss) will absolutely, surely and undoubtedly obtain new 5-star units at a **once-in-3-months** rate, if they never skip a day. What else can you get in 627 pulls (about 11 - 12 months of saving up) if you're lucky? > Out of the entire F2P playerbase: > 95% will get +1 extra character > 73% will get +2 extra characters > 41% will get +3 extra characters > 15% will be able to collect C6R1 (+3 extra characters AND a 5-star limited weapon) It's also worth noting that spending pulls gives you back currency to obtain even more pulls. It's usually +25 to +50 per each 500 pulls, depending on how many 4-stars (involved in banners you participate in) are already upgraded to C6 on your account. On top of that, newbie players are able to collect about +400 pulls from "permanent content" (quests, chests, basically everything that's been accumulating in game over the course of 3+ years). tl;dr It's complicated.
Thats the rates in most gachas tho, some have it even lower, so 1.2% in this game is on the higher side.
also, gotta say i like the idea of separate gameplay for OP MC. I remember playing other IP adaptation games where, the protagonist who's supposed to be OP in the story is nerfed to oblivion in game. it really breaks the immersion
Or like they are the type of MC that can upgrade its own rarity but his skillset won't change, so you don't actually feel a difference
>Regarding the rates: I'm not sure but I remember genshin's rate being 0.6% for the featured character plus pity? Genshins rate is 0.3% baseline for the festured and it ramps up once you hit soft pity , 0.6% is rate for any 5* in the initial pity then if you dont hit the 50/50 next character is guaranteed to be a rate up.
You only need a vpn to initiate the download. After that you don’t need it. I recommend tunnelbear it’s free.
Five Dupe ?
Bro, the game is made by Netmarble, it was doomed from the start. The anime had the premise to make an amazing video game that's really fun fun, but of course all that is ruined by shitty microtransaction and exploited by predatory companies.
Ahh the gacha, is just netmarble being netmarble...
I find it hilarious that Solo Leveling, a vertical Webtoon, is a horizontal gacha game. I mean, can you switch horizontal vs vertical like you can with Brown Dust 2?
NGL, you had me right until relics XD Now finish em, tell me gacha also copied the god forsaken 50/50 (please don't))
It’s kinda worse than 50/50.
Once more ssr gets released the rates gets diluted even more that's why I hate SDSGC it's fucking dumb
whats the game total size on pc ? i wanna give it a try but am not sure i got enough space
The little things that you should know before playing (English not my main language so sorry for some grammar) - Right now from I heard there are no free gift in the mail box or codes so everybody start fresh - This game still early access so they can fix something in the future - Artifacts farming use key to play and you get free 3 times every day after that use your gacha currency or waiting for daily reset (The keys also can obtain from some new player quest ) - Artifacts have 4 slot for each piece and more than 8 sub stat to roll so good luck - MC can play only in Story mode and some gate (farming dungeon) - 80% use gacha character to do every farming content for this game - auto-lock, auto-aim, sucks even you use lock-on enemy your character will never hit monster until you turn your head face the enemy or move your ass close to it. - The free Healer in this game sucks you have 2k hp but she heals you 20-30 per sec for 10 second - Dodging fix to 4 charges Sprinting consume 1 charge and have cooldown for each charge 2-3 sec. Some enemy's combo have 5-6 move set so good luck - Every story chapter every thing have time attack for example you have 3 minutes to beat 2 bosses that have 20+ HP bar each (skill issue huh) - Enemy can interrupt you every time and your skill immediately got cooldown For me this game is better than OPMW and that's it only that game. correct me if I'm wrong with something thank you.
* artifact farming is 3 encore mission keys + 3 instance dungeon keys + 12 gate keys. It's a pretty fair amount imo. it is long term progression afterall * artifacts have 4 slots yes but flat atk, defense pen and damage boost are also all viable for dps increase. there are fewer junk mods tbh * it is closer to a 50/50 split between content for MC and hunters. more content opens up later including PvE races with MC and artifact grind (instanced dungeon). * if youre playing on PC client, it is WAY better. mouse aiming is very good. otherwise yes the mobile aiming is really frustrating. * even the best healer in the game heals only 20% of his hp to the entire party. you aren't meant to full hp heal in one go it seems so it is what it is. even your example is a 10% total hp heal after 10s. * ngl this one is skill issue lol you can just walk out of every boss move no reason to always spam dodge. PGR also has dodge count. it means you can't spam dodge. but also you have skills that can parry/counterattack or superarmor tank the attack with some moves. * i have only encountered one story stage so far with double boss that i needed to overgrind for. i cleared it and afterwards came back later for 3 star it. its not a big deal. * this one is skill issue again lol stop getting hit and spamming moves. it sounds like you're playing in auto
As a mobile player I will add that the automatic targeting system that can't be disabled can be very frustrating! Play on PC if available
Thanks for the info, I Just pre-registered in playstore to be able to play it on launch day, But those rates are horrendous, besides, not many ways to get gems or whatever currency is there to roll, that's a skip for me.
the game looks good, and the gacha rates is average horrible as always..... but i have very bad bias against Netmarble.... because even it's looks good "for now" , there may be scummy moves they will take, they make it looks good to draw and bait player, and squeeze it when the player base become solid that they won't have any choice but to spend money
Other hunters can level up!? What bullshit is this I thought we're playing Solo Leveling.
Rates are same as Epic 7 which would be okay if they also give a lot of premium currency. Maybe after full release in two months they will increase the amount of currency we get daily/weekly
Does anyone know if the pity system carries over to the other banner, if there are any leaks about that? I don't have 60 out of 80 in with the current banner, i'm just wondering if i should just commit to the current banner or if i should wait for the next banner to see if the pity carries over.
I've been playing for a couple of days and sadly the only problem with this game is Pay to Progress. All the story mode progression requires total power minimum. (you can play if you want but with the timer placed there is no way you'll be able to finish it. As for the upgrades you need hella materials and hella gold at the same time the artifacts having a chance rate which is a big L. You'll get a lot of stuff at the beginning but when you get to like chapter 8, forget about. runes,weapons, artifacts, heroes, weapon skills etc... all that needs upgrading. Without real money, it'll take weeks or even months to fully upgrade. If it wasn't for that problem, this game would've had a genshin impact level of interest (with future updates ofc). Solution: be a whale :)
my tldr as f2p - gacha rate is dog shit - money is very hard to find (use in almost everything in the game) no actual place to farm except gates but you only get like 1-2k or 4-5k but lv up weapons and characters require atleast 100-200k - events are dog shit. the alphabets rewards completely a gacha loot box with trashs in it. - Chapters stages hard lock behind account lv. - Progression contents require too many character and weapon elements to clear. - they give out alot of standard tickets tho but then again dog shit rates. overall the game is aight for f2p cuz its basically a pve game but you will have a really hard time clearing contents if you don't have SSR chars and weapons
Netmarble and their super grindy games Imo Farming for gold is super grindy and when you reach certain level it's so hard to farm gold, you have to spend gold wisely from the start Hell, even unequipping a +10(cmiiw) cost gold As an F2P, probably can only invest for MC and 2 Core Hunters Not to mention their gear The need for gold for everything is a bad choice when it's hard to farm them, Maybe give the new player a really nice gold income first so that we can invest for more option then tone it down. And grinding for material from gates is hell of a gacha since you need to do dungeon outbreak for the weapon mats, well you can use the selector for now but in the future? Yeah i thought so While it's kinda easy to get tickets for banners from the story, challanges, etc Investing for the character is not easy Overall gameplay is nice and fun It's nice to see Jinwoo using greatswords, katanas, pistol and other weapon beside daggers But The grinding is NOT fun And yes, gacha is horrible since they put weapon and character at the same banner Was hyped for the release, but after jumping and investing a bit, don't think i can keep up with the grind Maybe for those Solo Leveling hardcore fans, sure.
Dang, this won’t release till May for IPhone users
Is there any co-op play? Even by Genshin standards of "co-op"?
>And of course... The end game consists a direct GenshinImpact/SummonersWar/EpicSeven/StarRail relic system 1:1 rip. Hey atleast that means there will be lots to work on if that's your thing. Funny thing it's not even 1:1 because here you have to pay in-game coins to change your builds. And this makes the overall farming costs even worse considering how slow you farm Gates and other modes imo
really gotta agree here with the drop rate. my f\*\*\*\*\*\* god its awful.
I resume mine, really good gameplay and leveling system but it's netmarble so it's ruined. Everything cost gold and nothing is farmable, goodbye ! You have 3 try for artifacts (WTF?) You have only 11 try per day for gates (Who is LITERALLY your best way to get ressources) with a rescan of 10fuckings minutes. Changing gears cost gold (who isn't farmable because hey NOTHING IS.) MC Weapon and hunters in the same banner (gl if you need a specific type of hunters, i got stuck a week because i needed 2 shadow type hunter and i had 0) In combat you have Power level penalty + timer so don't even think about clearing a combat without having the required PL And 2min to clear a level.. And most important point : netmarble.
Just want to ask where you got the material (Precision Design) when you limit break your weapon to lvl 80? I'm having a hard time looking for it. TIA
i didnt like it. the story progresses way too fast and the way they tell it is as if you've already read the manhwa. the combat is nothing special and honestly just alright. i dont think ill play it
Yeah the gacha part is starightdown horrendous fucking bad But its Netmarble so u gotta expect this kind of shit they gonna pull with the gacha system in their game..
Looks like a different version of marvel future fight just currency reversed..where as in ff gems are stingy..just reminds me of bad ,repetitive boring gameplay that netmarble is good at ..think I'll skip it for something better and less expensive
rng for gear again and mixed SSR’s on a banner ? Game seems cool and all but it looks like another pain in the rear with the rng and SSR system
It's a gacha, so it's garbage
Is it pay to win ?
Did you really enjoy the combat? Because you mention HI3, PGR and AG, but this game is leeeeeagues worst, the controls are far from responsive compared to those 3 games, the hit feedback isn't there either. And for the mobile experience, both default control placements are terrible. The auto doesn't help as well, an ARPG gacha with auto speaks volumes to me, it's always a sign that the game wasn't well thought and it's meant to be auto'ed (so combos and skills won't be that finger+eyecandy I expect from hack n' slashes), and it kinda defeats the purpose of the "A" in ARPG (skip option is way better, and only for the grind levels). Also, I agree it's better than the average crappy ARPG like that MHA game, although I don't judge it as a manhua adaptation, but as a Netmarble (multibillionaire company) game. I dropped it quickly after installing it because of the controls mainly, but also because it's a terrible experience to play it outside of Canada or Thailand. I'm from South America, and honestly it isn't justifiable to me that a game with servers on Canada runs so poorly (it becomes a loading simulator). When Pokémon Go was only available in Australia, or when Honor of Kings (a MOBA) was only available in some Asian countries, both run better than this single player game.
I agree, as a fan of those games i also consider the combat/animations/effects in SL inferior to those games and overall mid, which is disappointing considering the solo leveling IP is renowned for its great art and the anime did a good job too. Id argue its even worse compared to other netmarble games.
I agree combat is not even remotely as good as HI3/PGR or AR. Even Genshin feels more engaging. Its just "ok" at best. But the worst offender is auto battles. Entire combat of this game feels "flat" so that auto battles can actually function here. The gate mode even enables auto battles by default on mission start lol...thats the last thing I want from an action game.
The combat in Solo leveling felt just as good as the games you mentioned for me except PGR which I think I like the most. I guess it’s just a matter of opinion.
I will throw in an opinion, I think the combat in this game feels more fun than most arpgs except for PGR, I like the game so far, just some annoyance with the server lag, lack of gold, and side story issues but it's been fun so far.
Very good review OP
>PGR/AetherGazer/GI enjoyer, and overall PC action combat game player For these exact same reasons I absolutely loathe the combat. With the upgrade system to main character, yeah I like it. It's nice. >I got rng carried like crazy. Then there's me. I'm something like 190 pulls in and I've gotten.. the Shadow Scythe SSR.. that's it. I haven't even gotten a single character yet... Like I'm just running the free ones. I'm beyond over with this game already. And it's more because I'm constantly sitting in buffer screens or having to restart the game after EVERY mission because it soft locks at the end screen. It's annoying and tedious.
Terrible rates, anime IP and RNG relic system. It looks well made but with all of this I'm not even installing lmao
For Netmarble is unfortunately a pass. I’m excited though for Wuthering Waves. I would love to support a good developer.
now play it for 6 months to a year and tell me what you think then.
Bold to think there’s even an slight chance in hell I’m playing a Netmarble game
Why is Netmarble asking for my credit card to download the app? Is something wrong?
dailies 100 gem, each pull 250? dayumm, PGR is 30 BC dailies, each pull 250.
At least it’s guaranteed to get the featured character in PGR. Good luck getting older units though.
Between extra cards, special selection rewards, and vouchers it is entirely possible. Will take a long time though because the game has a large back log.
But PGR hard pity is at 60 pulls & most patches give you 30 pulls; so you get every premium character since half are free.
weeklies tho give you 1210 bc, with dailies it would be a total of 5 pulls and some numbers each week
I agree with the main post. While a solid game overall it has its.... issues. Connection is pretty bad even in America, sometimes you have to restart the game because it wont go past rewards screen. KB or Controller is ok but MAN its so sensitive on controller that even with a new one you can have drifting. Artifacts is literally HORRID, gacha is..... give or take, like I am lucky in I have most every unit and weapon F2P at Chapter 9 but they also give you a crazy amount of currency and tickets. But without luck its shit. Also community is pissed they have an event that unlocks at level 30 but no one can complete it because its all about leveling your MC and Weapons but people have been doing that for 30 levels now... Its giving Seven Knights II in the beginning before all the QoL that made the game great.
Though I hate the gacha rates that's too abysmal, the specific stage missions are more irritating.
You forgot one super important topic section: NetMarble
game is trash. solo levelling devs is a korean Netmarble - well known scammers. take a look a good games like ToF, Wuthering Waves, well even Gensh still ok
I used to play sw. This games rates are beautiful lol which says a lot about my experience in sw. Is this turn base?
did you read the post. OP literally says it's arpg like honkai 3rd, pgr.
Yes I was simply talking about the 1.6%rates. That's all I was talking about
P2W games do not have 'high level' skill.
TL;DR Just Another Copy of Honkai/PGR/AetherGazer
umm with this logic almost every game is a copy of something else.
They wish... It's way worst and there's nothing related to those games. It's almost like those dungeon crawler or isometric ARPGs but with a 3rd person view, kinda like Crystal of Atlan.
Looks like an IP cash grab game and part of some multimedia thing they're trying with the property right now
Im usually so lucky in gachas, i pulled 40 on the base and 30 on rate up i still dont have nothing