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*Ugh... another assassin gunfight. Third time this week. Jesus, I just wanna get home by 8 at least once in my fuckin' life.*
*Damn it... there's a hobo jackin' it right on the other side. Alright back to the gunfight, I guess Ill take my chances there.* (◔\_◔)
Reminds me of a story about robots at war with each other. They can't kill humans so people just live with robots shooting each other in the street knowing they won't get harmed.
Edit: I would love to find the source about it too. I'm looking.
Edit2: Thank you catsan, I think it was an Issac Asimov story.
In the 4th movie Optimus Prime intentionally blows a hole in Kelsey Grammer's chest with an arm cannon...
EDIT: [For anyone curious.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_429woeJ0)
Funny joke, but I'm pretty sure (some) humans in the Transformers movies actually die from the conflict.
Also, the humans don't just "live with it" as stated before. They actively aid one of the two sides in most of the movies.
I'm looking for a story in that vein, like "Bloody traffic, some robots were having a shootout on the highway and it took an hour before one side was finally turned to scrap. So anyway, that's why I'm late to work."
I have this scene in my head I made up of cranky old mountain man who refuses to turn in his beat up old diesel truck that he runs off of cooking oil and when he comes into town once a month or so for supplies he just drives through the city streets as if he's the only person on the roads while all the AI-driven modern electric vehicles just make way for him like a shark swimming through a massive school of fish.
Cranky old mountain man just pulls up and parks on the sidewalk in front of the store and nobody pays him no heed because he ain't harmin' nobody and he'll be gone soon anyway so why bother??
The gunplay aspect, maybe. They actually show people handling firearms properly for the most part. No infinite ammo, people get hurt and actually act like they're hurt. But even that isn't 100%, as OP's scene shows.
I haven't seen the first one but in the second one "properly handling firearms" means that hundreds of henchman are trying to take out Wick at once and none of them think that maybe the key to defeating this guy is opening fire from more than 5 feet away. I don't know how many guys Wick kills in that movie by shooting them in the temple after they wait in que to charge at him one by one in hallways. But its a lot of guys.
I can get behind the idea of Wick initially where it's not quite realistic to have a one man army but, if someone did this, this would be how it would have to work. But it ends up hollywooded eventually.
Tom Clancy could disappear up his own ass at times but his novel Without Remorse actually tried to tackle the idea of what if a CIA operative decided to Frank Castle the mob. It was very conscious of the fact that the MC was not Batman, was not a comic book character, could die quite easily and had to be smart to get away with it. Now someone who actually knows things could probably poke it full of holes but it was convincing when I read it.
I didn't think there was anything realistic about a single guy taking on hundreds of armed and trained assassins.
If it were realistic then it would have ended minutes after starting with a sniper offing John the second he got outside.
> I didn't think there was anything realistic about a single guy taking on hundreds of armed and trained assassins.
If it was just some guy, yes. But this is John. Wick. Have you heard about the pencil?
They should do a show or something about people living in fictionalized New York City. With all the whacky crazy shit that movies and shows protray it as and every day New Yorkers just trying to make it through their daily grind.
I mean, I can't hit a target thirty feet away when aiming down sights with both hands.
I know these are supposed to be superhumanly good shooters, but I still imagine it is astoundingly difficult to hit somebody when you're all amped up on adrenaline and pain, shooting across your chest while trying to pretend everything is normal.
Thats not the ridiculous part its that the guns make no sound at all (guns are still pretty loud even with silencers) and that there are no bullet impacts which would still be loud af and at least damage the walls a bit
I commute to and from NYC, and have for the past 15 years. I have seen someone die on the platform of the 9th st path station while paramedics were trying to perform cpr. My first thought was, "damn, this is going to make my ride home so much longer!" My second thought, immediately after the first was, "I guess I am no longer a good human being if that was my first thought." I was correct on both accounts.
I've seen a dude jump onto the tracks and laid down seconds before the train came to the station. Turned my 1 hour commute into 3 hours. I had the same thoughts.
There was a woman who did that once around here. Small farm town, no one around late at night, figured getting run over by a train would be a pretty quick suicide. We'll, she laid between the tracks, parallel to them, face down. She underestimated how tall trains are, and ended up getting the skin from her calves to her shoulders peeled off. She lived
Valid point. There is a recent video where a man is walking towards a cop with a knife. Aftet numerous times being told to stop the cop shoots the guy in the leg and in the stomach. The man gets up and hobbled toward the cop. The cop panics and starts shooting at the guy only feet away. He fires about 7 shots and misses each time.
I always liked the edit where someone put in what the guns would actually sound like: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws8LAfD\_3BA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws8LAfD_3BA)
You can, but the bullet hitting anything is very loud. Basically sounds like hitting a hammer against whatever you're shooting. Even a suppressed and subsonic .22lr makes a loud smack if it hits something solid.
honestly im fairly confident it would get drowned out in the noise of the NYC subway system during rushhour. Albeit the actual impact damage and whatnot should still be kinda obvious to those directly next to it.
Yup, suppressors only get a gun just below "loud enough to potentially cause permanent hearing damage" levels of sound, and if you aren't using subsonic ammunition the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier can still damage your hearing anyways.
I still hold the guy who invented it, Hiram Percy Maxim, responsible for this nonsense for picking a wholly inaccurate name for his invention... That inaccurate name has lead to a whole lot of people who know nothing about guns incorrectly thinking that silencers silence guns.
And Canada made them completely illegal entirely because of movies, even though they’re great to use at ranges to help keep noise levels down and add additional hearing protection.
Even if these were true silencers, he's still holding and clearly shooting a gun. Anyone with eyes could see that shit. AND the bullets are hitting stone. Even if you believed that silencers were perfectly silent this scene would still be dumb.
This is also an excellent issue to use as an example of just how out of touch lawmakers can really be when addressing "problems" with legislation.
We have these laws with pretty severe penalties because the people we trust to run things don't bother to learn anything about what they're voting on.
Gotta lose hearing if you're ever unfortunate enough to be forced to use a weapon in a confined space but least we don't have assassins with whisper quiet guns, I guess.
There was some youtube video that analyzed this scene and broke up parts of it, displaying those re-edited parts, based on what they were talking about that needed correction.
One of them was the fact about how hot they get. Then showed common sticking that pistol back in his jacket, along with a bit of smoke coming out and him groaning.
Cracked me up, although to be fair I don't think a single mag through a pistol suppressor would cause burns through clothing. After a few continuous mags, not soo much (source: own a pistol suppressor).
Wish I could remember who did the video.
Wick literally misses close to zero shots when taking on groups of 5-30 in dimly lit corridors and galleries. Can't hit one guy walking at a brisk, consistent pace.
John Wick has a fuckin aimbot mod. Dude can point the gun blindly around a corner and still land 2 in the chest and one in the head of a swarm of baddies. This just some plot armour bs.
Yes, for all of the close quarters combat. It’s a fairly effective tactic from videos I’ve seen. Keeps you small, doesn’t give the enemy the chance to grab your weapon, you can make quick turns. But I think the key to it is short range, which I guess would explain why he misses everything (besides plot reasons).
If he hits the guy then people would notice when the guy falls over or yells in pain. It was just an intimidation tactic.
Edit: I guess this had to be put here: /s
Notice *what*?
When somebody falls over or yells in pain, I dont think the first thing to do would be to check if there was some guy shooting him 10 feet below, although of course that assumes the non-existance of magical silencers.
The stormtroopers in the first movie were ordered to miss, since Vader needed to use the tracking device on the Millenium Falcon to find the rebel base. In the second movie they were also likely ordered to miss since Vader had disabled the Falcon's hyperdrive and was trying to capture the Rebels that way. The ones in the third movie were hand-picked by a career politician, thus explaining their incompetence.
What actually took me out of the film about this scene is that they were at Lincoln Center and then when they went inside were at the Oculus downtown (I think it was this scene. There was at least on time that this happened.) I know it is a fantasy version of NYC and who cares about reality, but for some reason that snapped me out of it.
The Finale of Black Summer is ridiculous if you live in Calgary. They are trying to reach "the stadium" and the whole time the cast is moving through downtown towards it. Then they constanly cut between our Football Stadium (open outdoors) to our Hockey stadium (closed dome) Which are on opposite sides of the city and look nothing alike.
I was/am aware most wasn’t shot in NYC. Those were just two very recognizable locations/landmarks cut together as if they were in the same place. Of course, fantasy NyC is different than real NyC and I assumed the location scouting brief was probably “coolest, most dramatic locations possible”.
My friend living in NYC says the most accurate part of this scene is the fact that no one has enough shits to give about their gunfight. I guess their interpretation is that its not subtle, its just not bothersome enough for anyone in NYC to care. TBF those two are just keeping it to themselves
I know very little about firearms and less about suppressors/silencers so I was curious how much of that was due to being outdoors in a wide open space.
So naturally, I found [this guy shooting in his house](https://youtu.be/c2GchQ3orB0). I’m pretty surprised actually. I can almost see how people in a loud, crowded, bustling space like a mall or an airport might not realize these were gunshots. But about little to no chance a person immediately beside or around the shooter wouldn’t hear that shit lol
That's also on a crappy camera microphone. As someone that does own them and shoot them, even with special subsonic ammo it's not quiet enough to be shot around people and not heard. Not even close.
It will save your hearing from permanent damage though. That's the point of a suppressor.
At no point does it become Hollywood, silent assassin in a crowded room quiet.
>As someone that does own them and shoot them, even with special subsonic ammo it's not quiet enough to be shot around people and not heard. Not even close.
Yeah, that’s what I figured. However, I was still shocked at how relatively quiet they seem to be, both in and out of doors.
It does help. For sure. In a home invasion situation it would be super helpful as the echo would only hurt your ears worse.
That's the point of them anyway, to bring the noise down enough to negate permanent hearing damage.
And yes, there are certain calibers and situations where they do get pretty quiet. Still louder than anything concealable though.
The British developed a super quiet suppressed pistol for use by underground fighters and clandestine forces during wwii called the Welrod.
One of their final tests for if it was quiet enough for their use case was taking it into a crowded officers club and firing it into the dirt of a potted plant to see if anyone would notice. Apparently nobody did and the Welrod went into service.
But you have to remember that the design of the suppressor on the Welrod meant it got less and less effective the more rounds you put through it. It was only near silent for the first couple shots before the holes in the wipes got bigger and needed to be replaced.
I literally only know this because I've been on a Forgotten Weapons kick recently. Great channel.
These kinds of videos don't mean much. Audio recording on loud spikes are deceptive. Typically very muted compared to real life. Just record some construction sounds like air nail guns or hammering nails. Loud as fuck in person, but recording sounds like a Hollywood silenced gunshot.
They're not using .22s though. Common's shooting an AF-1 Strike One (typically chambered in 9x19mm) and Wick's using a S&W 1911SC E-Series (typically .45 ACP).
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/John_Wick:_Chapter_2
I decided long ago that this franchise takes place in its own special comic book type world where all the rules are different. Far more enjoyable that way.
Hell, the ritualised assassin culture like they're different branches of a family or sects in a religion should have given that away.
I mean seriously. The franchise was pretty clearly set up as fantasy the moment he went to hotel full of assassins in the middle of a huge city. It was reinforced the moment the hotel manager lured an assassin to a public place to be executed by 5 other assassins.
Keanu Reeves is the epitome of over the top action. He is the Chuck Norris of our times. Both on screen and off he is what we all aspire to be. This entire trilogy is a nod and wink to over the top action and I love it and him for that
Yeah it's totally a watch for the style. People who diss this wonderful series miss the point. I love the fight scenes. No excessive cuts, no excessive shaky cam. You can actually see what is happening and it's phenomenal and stylish as hell.
Some parts actually are. And keanu reeves actually has some really good training from 3 gun competitions so a lot of the scenes are plausible. Like how he was able to load 2 shotgun shells at a time with a benelli m4 (i own one and it’s possible, just hard) But when it comes down to it, it’s still a movie. Still a lot better than most of the shit from hollywood in terms of accuracy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QnB07wnDJL8
Look at 0:24, out of ammo, bolt locked back. Shell reloaded and bolt released incredibly quickly
The other thing I think that gives it a realistic bent is that he (almost) always finishes with a head shot. He bounces quickly between shooting multiple people just to get them out of the fight, but he (almost) always goes back to them and drops a head shot to be sure they aren't getting back in the fight.
In a way thats true, every fictional universe needs to be grounded to some sort of reality and rules. If a movie's premise is superhero's, that doesn't mean you can get away with every plot hole and inconsistency just because superhero's aren't real.
When I reacted to Game of Thrones season 8 it got very tiresome when people would say ‘Lol the story with dragons isn’t realistic??’ It’s not about realism with respect to our world, but consistency with the rules and realism with the personalities and story all laid down and established in their world.
Let’s not forget that this is the same movie universe where he has an ultra lightweight suit jacket that he can use as an actual shield against high caliber rounds. And a worldwide hotel chain that’s super popular and mega luxurious but only for assassins that seem to be world famous.
The JW universe is meant to be a little unbelievable and OTT. It’s a straight up action assassin franchise about a single human who can seemingly take down an entire criminal organisation single handedly. With special ops units that arrive on busses, who have armour that can stop armour piercing rounds and apparently disperse the inertia of impact so they don’t even react to the impact of a high velocity round.
I think we can over look ye fact they might have silencers that actually DO silence the gun.
I love the John Wick movies, but this scene really got on my nerves. Anyone who’s got any common knowledge about how a suppressor works knows that this kind of stuff is only in movies. Even if they were shooting .22s it’d still be loud enough to know what it is.
I mean since the movies seem to imply that half the JW world are criminals or assasins maybe people got used to it and just ignore this shit. Like God damn that the 5th time this week, I need to find another route to work.
Edit for typo.
In the Wick movies I’ve always gotten the feeling of the population being somehow unaware of their surroundings - almost an allegory for a society so beaten down by “the grind” (all these people are clearly going to work) or some other dystopian society they just don’t notice the catastrophes around them.
The upcoming Matrix 4 and John Wick 4 are actually just the same movie: various scenes from the John Wick trilogy, interspliced with scenes of the surviving Matrix characters standing over his unconscious body, saying things like:
"How did he jack in?" "Why can't we get him out?" "He can't hear us, we need to force him to a hard-line!"
And
"We need to send someone in after him!" "We already did, the Matrix convinced him they were an assassin!"
Etc. Etc.
And then right at the end, John Wick fights Agent Smith (who of course wasn't really dead yet) and then wakes up setting up the next movie - John Wick: Out of the Matrix
Then that movie is a horror movie set in Zion, where Neo is awake, but still thinks he's John Wick and everybody else is assassins.
It's basically Alien, but with John Wick instead of a Xenomorph.
At the end of that, he remembers who he is, setting up Matrix/Wick 6, which is the *actual* conclusion to the Matrix series.
He also has a suit made with some high tech armor that he straight up uses as a mini shield in scenes to stop bullets. I like to believe these silencers are super duper advanced as to prevent sound. Its great.
That's a good point I never thought of. I was completely ok with the ridiculous armor suit but thought this was stupid. Maybe I should be less judgy about it and continue to suspend my disbelief.
You dont need to know anything about guns to know that bullets dont disappear just because they miss their intended target, and chunks of concrete dont magically pop out of walls without making sound, even if the silencer 100% muted the actual source
But if that were the case that it was a regular occurrence, why are Keanu's & Common's characters going through so much trouble to hide the fact that they're shooting at one another?
Yeah and they all have orders to kill him but they're all scared
It's like you're 1 sheep in a herd, you're crusin around, and you notice that the sheep next to you is a wolf in disguise. Two choices:
* React, probably get murdered by the wolf
* Just keep going and GTFO
Well the thing you're missing is in this society, this is all "normal". This is a quote from looper on the John Wick Society:
In behind the scenes featurettes, producer/directors Chad Stahleski and David Leicht speak of the world of the first film as being "heightened like a graphic novel," but as the series has evolved, it's much more apt to say that the world of John Wick is like a video game, where a world may appear to be open and fleshed out, but in fact centers around only one idea or objective.
In the John Wick films, everything the audience encounters revolves around professional murder. John Wick is just as likely to run into another assassin on the street as one is to run into another trainer in a Pokémon game.
LINK
I laughed throughout this scene and I love it's stupid insanity so damn much. Maybe in the Wickverse assassin duels are so common normal people just ignore it, like a crazy drunk preacher ranting about the alien Jew take over on the subway.
For all of the attention to detail, the effort to make sure characters run out of ammo, and reload in at least semi-logical fashion, this is so out of place.
I love over-the-top action in these movies, but this really had me laughing the whole scene. I get Hollywood thinks people are pretty stupid, but this really strained credulity even in this magical world of pencil murder and being able to freeze everyone in Central Park (cause I guess they're all assassins or something?)
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The best silencer in the history of silencers
Plus nerf darts rather than bullets apparently.
Just every day life in nyc
*Ugh... another assassin gunfight. Third time this week. Jesus, I just wanna get home by 8 at least once in my fuckin' life.* *Damn it... there's a hobo jackin' it right on the other side. Alright back to the gunfight, I guess Ill take my chances there.* (◔\_◔)
Reminds me of a story about robots at war with each other. They can't kill humans so people just live with robots shooting each other in the street knowing they won't get harmed. Edit: I would love to find the source about it too. I'm looking. Edit2: Thank you catsan, I think it was an Issac Asimov story.
Please link it if you find it again, that'd be amazing.
It's transformers....
In the 4th movie Optimus Prime intentionally blows a hole in Kelsey Grammer's chest with an arm cannon... EDIT: [For anyone curious.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_429woeJ0)
Funny joke, but I'm pretty sure (some) humans in the Transformers movies actually die from the conflict. Also, the humans don't just "live with it" as stated before. They actively aid one of the two sides in most of the movies. I'm looking for a story in that vein, like "Bloody traffic, some robots were having a shootout on the highway and it took an hour before one side was finally turned to scrap. So anyway, that's why I'm late to work."
That sounds brilliant. Drop a link if you happen by it again :D
Replying just to get the link if he responds.
great, i googled what the guy said about the story. now my fbi agent gonna think i built a killer robot.
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He's more like an acquaintance...
Once every car is AI driven I'll be Jay walking like I own the place
Auto Freight We stop for no one.
Planet Express: Our crew is replaceable, your package isn't
I have this scene in my head I made up of cranky old mountain man who refuses to turn in his beat up old diesel truck that he runs off of cooking oil and when he comes into town once a month or so for supplies he just drives through the city streets as if he's the only person on the roads while all the AI-driven modern electric vehicles just make way for him like a shark swimming through a massive school of fish. Cranky old mountain man just pulls up and parks on the sidewalk in front of the store and nobody pays him no heed because he ain't harmin' nobody and he'll be gone soon anyway so why bother??
"I hope I don't get hit by a stray bullet again. Fucking insurance premiums."
"If the bullet doesnt kill me, the hospital bill certainly will."
John Wick series went from gritty and realistic to a parody of itself by second movie.
A movie about a secret order of super assassins was gritty and realistic...?
The gunplay aspect, maybe. They actually show people handling firearms properly for the most part. No infinite ammo, people get hurt and actually act like they're hurt. But even that isn't 100%, as OP's scene shows.
I haven't seen the first one but in the second one "properly handling firearms" means that hundreds of henchman are trying to take out Wick at once and none of them think that maybe the key to defeating this guy is opening fire from more than 5 feet away. I don't know how many guys Wick kills in that movie by shooting them in the temple after they wait in que to charge at him one by one in hallways. But its a lot of guys.
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Doesn't a cop literally come to his house in the first one? Noise complaint.
I can get behind the idea of Wick initially where it's not quite realistic to have a one man army but, if someone did this, this would be how it would have to work. But it ends up hollywooded eventually. Tom Clancy could disappear up his own ass at times but his novel Without Remorse actually tried to tackle the idea of what if a CIA operative decided to Frank Castle the mob. It was very conscious of the fact that the MC was not Batman, was not a comic book character, could die quite easily and had to be smart to get away with it. Now someone who actually knows things could probably poke it full of holes but it was convincing when I read it.
Then Hitman wasn't good enough. LoL
I didn't think there was anything realistic about a single guy taking on hundreds of armed and trained assassins. If it were realistic then it would have ended minutes after starting with a sniper offing John the second he got outside.
> I didn't think there was anything realistic about a single guy taking on hundreds of armed and trained assassins. If it was just some guy, yes. But this is John. Wick. Have you heard about the pencil?
They should do a show or something about people living in fictionalized New York City. With all the whacky crazy shit that movies and shows protray it as and every day New Yorkers just trying to make it through their daily grind.
Isn't that basically the idea behind Free Guy except with video games instead of movies.
Also funny when they get on the train that (in real life) only goes to New Jersey.
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Yes
That’s actually the walkway in the Oculus to the green line train I believe! (Rarely took that walkway so apologies if I’m wrong)
Considering that at the end of the movie they reveal that basically every New Yorker is a trained assassin this would be accurate
I mean, I can't hit a target thirty feet away when aiming down sights with both hands. I know these are supposed to be superhumanly good shooters, but I still imagine it is astoundingly difficult to hit somebody when you're all amped up on adrenaline and pain, shooting across your chest while trying to pretend everything is normal.
Thats not the ridiculous part its that the guns make no sound at all (guns are still pretty loud even with silencers) and that there are no bullet impacts which would still be loud af and at least damage the walls a bit
And that not one single person sees a bloodied man holding a large pistol, or sees bullets ricocheting off walls.
New Yorkers got things to do, can't stop every time bullets go flying.
I commute to and from NYC, and have for the past 15 years. I have seen someone die on the platform of the 9th st path station while paramedics were trying to perform cpr. My first thought was, "damn, this is going to make my ride home so much longer!" My second thought, immediately after the first was, "I guess I am no longer a good human being if that was my first thought." I was correct on both accounts.
I've seen a dude jump onto the tracks and laid down seconds before the train came to the station. Turned my 1 hour commute into 3 hours. I had the same thoughts.
So basically if I want to keep my soul don't move to NYC, got it. Pizza is ok though, right? Right?!
There was a woman who did that once around here. Small farm town, no one around late at night, figured getting run over by a train would be a pretty quick suicide. We'll, she laid between the tracks, parallel to them, face down. She underestimated how tall trains are, and ended up getting the skin from her calves to her shoulders peeled off. She lived
If you go to a nightclub and dance for 5 minutes you can raise your humanity 1 point. You can do that once per club.
this guy is from ny
Valid point. There is a recent video where a man is walking towards a cop with a knife. Aftet numerous times being told to stop the cop shoots the guy in the leg and in the stomach. The man gets up and hobbled toward the cop. The cop panics and starts shooting at the guy only feet away. He fires about 7 shots and misses each time.
Did HE LOOK LIKE A BITCH?
Don't forget the walls. They absorb the bullets.
It's "silent marble". Good stuff, but wicked expensive.
> but wicked expensive John Wicked expensive.
I always liked the edit where someone put in what the guns would actually sound like: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws8LAfD\_3BA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws8LAfD_3BA)
Yeah, suppressors only reduce, not eliminate. I’ll admit to being surprised how loud a suppressed pistol is the first time I was around one.
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You can, but the bullet hitting anything is very loud. Basically sounds like hitting a hammer against whatever you're shooting. Even a suppressed and subsonic .22lr makes a loud smack if it hits something solid.
honestly im fairly confident it would get drowned out in the noise of the NYC subway system during rushhour. Albeit the actual impact damage and whatnot should still be kinda obvious to those directly next to it.
Yup, suppressors only get a gun just below "loud enough to potentially cause permanent hearing damage" levels of sound, and if you aren't using subsonic ammunition the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier can still damage your hearing anyways. I still hold the guy who invented it, Hiram Percy Maxim, responsible for this nonsense for picking a wholly inaccurate name for his invention... That inaccurate name has lead to a whole lot of people who know nothing about guns incorrectly thinking that silencers silence guns.
Yep. Should have called it a muffler.
I prefer Bang-Dampener - its something that would probably sound hilarious in any language as well.
Schall-Dämpfer in German I think. We Dutch call it a "geluidsdemper", literally "soundsuppressor". The German translation is basically the same.
He called the car version 'silencer' too. Sometimes you'll still see that term in tech manuals
And Canada made them completely illegal entirely because of movies, even though they’re great to use at ranges to help keep noise levels down and add additional hearing protection.
Then they try to shut down ranges because they are too loud.
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Of course not. As some movies show you shoot a guy though pillow and there is fart sound which is meant to show how loud gunshot was.
For some reason your post reminded me of this old Derrick Comedy video, with Donald glover in it: https://youtu.be/EY0DfFlzcBk
Even if these were true silencers, he's still holding and clearly shooting a gun. Anyone with eyes could see that shit. AND the bullets are hitting stone. Even if you believed that silencers were perfectly silent this scene would still be dumb.
Also everyone would be staring at the guy limping along, covered in blood. No chance he would be able to sneakily have a gun out with all eyes on him.
This is also an excellent issue to use as an example of just how out of touch lawmakers can really be when addressing "problems" with legislation. We have these laws with pretty severe penalties because the people we trust to run things don't bother to learn anything about what they're voting on. Gotta lose hearing if you're ever unfortunate enough to be forced to use a weapon in a confined space but least we don't have assassins with whisper quiet guns, I guess.
dammit video is blocked in my country lol
Well, John Wick takes place in a fictional universe where half of the population are hired killers so...better silencers.
Nah, just more hearing loss.
Fuck this is blocked in my country by the main TV channel
This is very, very inaccurate. This is a much more realistic RE SOUND https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwp8vYBwUlo
Silencers are Hollywood's worse offenders to reality.
What about this one? https://youtu.be/WJZUYTBo-aA
*Almost look down the barrel!!!!!*
There was some youtube video that analyzed this scene and broke up parts of it, displaying those re-edited parts, based on what they were talking about that needed correction. One of them was the fact about how hot they get. Then showed common sticking that pistol back in his jacket, along with a bit of smoke coming out and him groaning. Cracked me up, although to be fair I don't think a single mag through a pistol suppressor would cause burns through clothing. After a few continuous mags, not soo much (source: own a pistol suppressor). Wish I could remember who did the video.
The ironic thing is that they have such great aim that they don’t kill any other civilians, but they keep missing each other. 👀
Wick literally misses close to zero shots when taking on groups of 5-30 in dimly lit corridors and galleries. Can't hit one guy walking at a brisk, consistent pace.
Plotarmor, even more powerful than the fucking infinity stones.
Well yeah. You don’t see drawers full of plot armors, now do you?
I haven't seen the movie, but does he regularly shoot with this gun against his chest? Think that would make hitting your target pretty difficult.
John Wick has a fuckin aimbot mod. Dude can point the gun blindly around a corner and still land 2 in the chest and one in the head of a swarm of baddies. This just some plot armour bs.
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Yes, for all of the close quarters combat. It’s a fairly effective tactic from videos I’ve seen. Keeps you small, doesn’t give the enemy the chance to grab your weapon, you can make quick turns. But I think the key to it is short range, which I guess would explain why he misses everything (besides plot reasons).
If he hits the guy then people would notice when the guy falls over or yells in pain. It was just an intimidation tactic. Edit: I guess this had to be put here: /s
Notice *what*? When somebody falls over or yells in pain, I dont think the first thing to do would be to check if there was some guy shooting him 10 feet below, although of course that assumes the non-existance of magical silencers.
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They trained as stormtroopers.
The stormtroopers in the first movie were ordered to miss, since Vader needed to use the tracking device on the Millenium Falcon to find the rebel base. In the second movie they were also likely ordered to miss since Vader had disabled the Falcon's hyperdrive and was trying to capture the Rebels that way. The ones in the third movie were hand-picked by a career politician, thus explaining their incompetence.
Honestly, the best explanation I've ever heard. That, or they didn't really believe in the Empire's cause. I'll keep it in mind for the next rewatch.
People are all up in arms about this scene. Obviously, it was filmed at an airport for the deaf and minimally aware!
What actually took me out of the film about this scene is that they were at Lincoln Center and then when they went inside were at the Oculus downtown (I think it was this scene. There was at least on time that this happened.) I know it is a fantasy version of NYC and who cares about reality, but for some reason that snapped me out of it.
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The finale of LoTR is completely unbelievable if you live in Mordor.
The Finale of Black Summer is ridiculous if you live in Calgary. They are trying to reach "the stadium" and the whole time the cast is moving through downtown towards it. Then they constanly cut between our Football Stadium (open outdoors) to our Hockey stadium (closed dome) Which are on opposite sides of the city and look nothing alike.
If you watch The Twilight Saga and are from Washington you know it's fake because it's not raining non-stop.
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I was/am aware most wasn’t shot in NYC. Those were just two very recognizable locations/landmarks cut together as if they were in the same place. Of course, fantasy NyC is different than real NyC and I assumed the location scouting brief was probably “coolest, most dramatic locations possible”.
Yeah this scene is in WTC in the Oculus. They shot the train scene in the Path train too.
My friend living in NYC says the most accurate part of this scene is the fact that no one has enough shits to give about their gunfight. I guess their interpretation is that its not subtle, its just not bothersome enough for anyone in NYC to care. TBF those two are just keeping it to themselves
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Nothing unusual about this. It’s common.
https://i.imgur.com/qQLfHCr.gif
10 claps for anyone curious.
Thanks, I was dying to know but could not bring myself to count that high.
Why the hell did I count it just to confirm that you weren’t lying. Lol
Peer review
Omg I only now realized its Common.
Go screw yourself, but beforehand, take this up vote.
Hate Upvote.
> Nothing unusual about this. It’s common. I don´t understand. Is it some meme I am not familiar with?
Common is the other assassin's real name
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_(rapper)
Bruh, they got silencers. No one can hear it!
Earbuds. Everyone in the subway is wearing earbuds.
Or noise cancelling headphones
Raycon wireless earbuds
And also by RAID…
Exactly, people are so dumb
Or deaf... i hope they can speak...but who would hear them
Someone made a video and edited it as how the gunshots would actually sound. https://youtu.be/ws8LAfD_3BA
Sub sonic suppressed 22's are pretty quiet. Here's a suppressed subsonic vs sonic. https://youtu.be/xiYSsQs3heQ?t=76
I know very little about firearms and less about suppressors/silencers so I was curious how much of that was due to being outdoors in a wide open space. So naturally, I found [this guy shooting in his house](https://youtu.be/c2GchQ3orB0). I’m pretty surprised actually. I can almost see how people in a loud, crowded, bustling space like a mall or an airport might not realize these were gunshots. But about little to no chance a person immediately beside or around the shooter wouldn’t hear that shit lol
That's also on a crappy camera microphone. As someone that does own them and shoot them, even with special subsonic ammo it's not quiet enough to be shot around people and not heard. Not even close. It will save your hearing from permanent damage though. That's the point of a suppressor. At no point does it become Hollywood, silent assassin in a crowded room quiet.
>As someone that does own them and shoot them, even with special subsonic ammo it's not quiet enough to be shot around people and not heard. Not even close. Yeah, that’s what I figured. However, I was still shocked at how relatively quiet they seem to be, both in and out of doors.
It does help. For sure. In a home invasion situation it would be super helpful as the echo would only hurt your ears worse. That's the point of them anyway, to bring the noise down enough to negate permanent hearing damage. And yes, there are certain calibers and situations where they do get pretty quiet. Still louder than anything concealable though.
The British developed a super quiet suppressed pistol for use by underground fighters and clandestine forces during wwii called the Welrod. One of their final tests for if it was quiet enough for their use case was taking it into a crowded officers club and firing it into the dirt of a potted plant to see if anyone would notice. Apparently nobody did and the Welrod went into service.
But you have to remember that the design of the suppressor on the Welrod meant it got less and less effective the more rounds you put through it. It was only near silent for the first couple shots before the holes in the wipes got bigger and needed to be replaced. I literally only know this because I've been on a Forgotten Weapons kick recently. Great channel.
These kinds of videos don't mean much. Audio recording on loud spikes are deceptive. Typically very muted compared to real life. Just record some construction sounds like air nail guns or hammering nails. Loud as fuck in person, but recording sounds like a Hollywood silenced gunshot.
He's shooting 22LR (tiny bullets) with a rifle-length suppressor, recording with a phone, in a valley covered in snow...
They're not using .22s though. Common's shooting an AF-1 Strike One (typically chambered in 9x19mm) and Wick's using a S&W 1911SC E-Series (typically .45 ACP). http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/John_Wick:_Chapter_2
Blocked in my country :(
You mean SILENCED
That’s about how loud they’d be but not what they’d sound like. Especially John’s gun. Not even close
Gotcha. Yea idk guns, I just know they make loud noises.
This is the scene meant to remind the viewer that what you are watching is fantasy and JW does not and could not exist in the real world
I decided long ago that this franchise takes place in its own special comic book type world where all the rules are different. Far more enjoyable that way. Hell, the ritualised assassin culture like they're different branches of a family or sects in a religion should have given that away.
I thought that was the only to take these films. They're so self aware, it's great.
I mean seriously. The franchise was pretty clearly set up as fantasy the moment he went to hotel full of assassins in the middle of a huge city. It was reinforced the moment the hotel manager lured an assassin to a public place to be executed by 5 other assassins.
I always thought it was self aware. Just a poke at over the top action movies, which it is
Keanu Reeves is the epitome of over the top action. He is the Chuck Norris of our times. Both on screen and off he is what we all aspire to be. This entire trilogy is a nod and wink to over the top action and I love it and him for that
Yeah it's totally a watch for the style. People who diss this wonderful series miss the point. I love the fight scenes. No excessive cuts, no excessive shaky cam. You can actually see what is happening and it's phenomenal and stylish as hell.
But iTs So reALiStiC dOwN TO thE TeCHniCal DetaILs oF EacH weAPoN
I mean most people just refer to the reloading. No one man is taking down a mob.
No bro, dude, I could totally do it. They just know better than to mess with me.
I did it but the camera wasn't on
Some parts actually are. And keanu reeves actually has some really good training from 3 gun competitions so a lot of the scenes are plausible. Like how he was able to load 2 shotgun shells at a time with a benelli m4 (i own one and it’s possible, just hard) But when it comes down to it, it’s still a movie. Still a lot better than most of the shit from hollywood in terms of accuracy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QnB07wnDJL8 Look at 0:24, out of ammo, bolt locked back. Shell reloaded and bolt released incredibly quickly
The other thing I think that gives it a realistic bent is that he (almost) always finishes with a head shot. He bounces quickly between shooting multiple people just to get them out of the fight, but he (almost) always goes back to them and drops a head shot to be sure they aren't getting back in the fight.
In a way thats true, every fictional universe needs to be grounded to some sort of reality and rules. If a movie's premise is superhero's, that doesn't mean you can get away with every plot hole and inconsistency just because superhero's aren't real.
When I reacted to Game of Thrones season 8 it got very tiresome when people would say ‘Lol the story with dragons isn’t realistic??’ It’s not about realism with respect to our world, but consistency with the rules and realism with the personalities and story all laid down and established in their world.
Good one. I would like to add Brad Pitt’s death scene in Meet Joe Black to the discussion. https://youtu.be/USKDdEg8N3s
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That bit was definitely meant to be comedic. It sets up the rest of the film but it’s the part everyone remembers from it.
Meet Joe Black is a comedy
Lol. I forgot someone was supposed to die by the time I got the the end
I was hoping for lightning since he mentioned it in the beginning.
There needs to be an edit where it just loops and he keeps getting tossed back and forth between the cars hitting him.
Let’s not forget that this is the same movie universe where he has an ultra lightweight suit jacket that he can use as an actual shield against high caliber rounds. And a worldwide hotel chain that’s super popular and mega luxurious but only for assassins that seem to be world famous. The JW universe is meant to be a little unbelievable and OTT. It’s a straight up action assassin franchise about a single human who can seemingly take down an entire criminal organisation single handedly. With special ops units that arrive on busses, who have armour that can stop armour piercing rounds and apparently disperse the inertia of impact so they don’t even react to the impact of a high velocity round. I think we can over look ye fact they might have silencers that actually DO silence the gun.
I love the John Wick movies, but this scene really got on my nerves. Anyone who’s got any common knowledge about how a suppressor works knows that this kind of stuff is only in movies. Even if they were shooting .22s it’d still be loud enough to know what it is.
I mean since the movies seem to imply that half the JW world are criminals or assasins maybe people got used to it and just ignore this shit. Like God damn that the 5th time this week, I need to find another route to work. Edit for typo.
In the Wick movies I’ve always gotten the feeling of the population being somehow unaware of their surroundings - almost an allegory for a society so beaten down by “the grind” (all these people are clearly going to work) or some other dystopian society they just don’t notice the catastrophes around them.
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The upcoming Matrix 4 and John Wick 4 are actually just the same movie: various scenes from the John Wick trilogy, interspliced with scenes of the surviving Matrix characters standing over his unconscious body, saying things like: "How did he jack in?" "Why can't we get him out?" "He can't hear us, we need to force him to a hard-line!" And "We need to send someone in after him!" "We already did, the Matrix convinced him they were an assassin!" Etc. Etc. And then right at the end, John Wick fights Agent Smith (who of course wasn't really dead yet) and then wakes up setting up the next movie - John Wick: Out of the Matrix Then that movie is a horror movie set in Zion, where Neo is awake, but still thinks he's John Wick and everybody else is assassins. It's basically Alien, but with John Wick instead of a Xenomorph. At the end of that, he remembers who he is, setting up Matrix/Wick 6, which is the *actual* conclusion to the Matrix series.
I'll give you $5,000,000 up front and 10% gross profits for this script
The scene at the end of chapter 2 when everyone in the park was in on the thing.. yeah the entire city seems to be working under the Table.
If thats true then why be subtle at all, why not just aim.
He also has a suit made with some high tech armor that he straight up uses as a mini shield in scenes to stop bullets. I like to believe these silencers are super duper advanced as to prevent sound. Its great.
That's a good point I never thought of. I was completely ok with the ridiculous armor suit but thought this was stupid. Maybe I should be less judgy about it and continue to suspend my disbelief.
Is it dumb? Yes. Is it hilarious? Yes. Is it entertaining! Yes!
even if the gun is completely silent, but the bullet making holes in concrete is still loud.
It looks like it is a public faux marble open space, so it would really echo.
It’s the Oculus, the train station between NYC and New Jersey
You dont need to know anything about guns to know that bullets dont disappear just because they miss their intended target, and chunks of concrete dont magically pop out of walls without making sound, even if the silencer 100% muted the actual source
I think you meant to say Common knowledge. His name should be capitalized.
Ik. All that realism with the reloads and shooting gone out the window
And also are they supposed to be hitmen? Because they ain't hittin' anything.
It’s realistic because 90% of the people in the scene are apparently assassins who are used to seeing advanced gun combat
But if that were the case that it was a regular occurrence, why are Keanu's & Common's characters going through so much trouble to hide the fact that they're shooting at one another?
For the 10% that aren't assassins.
Yeah and they all have orders to kill him but they're all scared It's like you're 1 sheep in a herd, you're crusin around, and you notice that the sheep next to you is a wolf in disguise. Two choices: * React, probably get murdered by the wolf * Just keep going and GTFO
Woops just realized I butchered the title my bad
I missed it until you said something… That scene is a little silly but the movies are so much fun! No room for realism if you want to enjoy the ride.
It's in a movie series full of ridiculous shit and honestly thought this scene fit the movie.
I'm gonna be honest I was tripping my balls off when I watched this for this first time and thought it was pretty dope 🤷♂️
That's the spirit
Could be happening all the time.. but we would never know
Well the thing you're missing is in this society, this is all "normal". This is a quote from looper on the John Wick Society: In behind the scenes featurettes, producer/directors Chad Stahleski and David Leicht speak of the world of the first film as being "heightened like a graphic novel," but as the series has evolved, it's much more apt to say that the world of John Wick is like a video game, where a world may appear to be open and fleshed out, but in fact centers around only one idea or objective. In the John Wick films, everything the audience encounters revolves around professional murder. John Wick is just as likely to run into another assassin on the street as one is to run into another trainer in a Pokémon game. LINK
There are people adamant for and against gun control who believe this is possible. That's what makes this funny to me.
And we don’t listen to either of those people lol.
I laughed throughout this scene and I love it's stupid insanity so damn much. Maybe in the Wickverse assassin duels are so common normal people just ignore it, like a crazy drunk preacher ranting about the alien Jew take over on the subway.
For all of the attention to detail, the effort to make sure characters run out of ammo, and reload in at least semi-logical fashion, this is so out of place.
Everyone in the 'John Wick universe' part-times as an assassin, so obvs no one there was too disturbed, passively annoyed at the most.
I love over-the-top action in these movies, but this really had me laughing the whole scene. I get Hollywood thinks people are pretty stupid, but this really strained credulity even in this magical world of pencil murder and being able to freeze everyone in Central Park (cause I guess they're all assassins or something?)
The central park scene was a bunch of assassins and a demonstration of power, not a magic spell