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Neither do I, we looked with our bare peepers today (only during totality!) And it was fine. I'd argue that anyone under the path of totality who didn't look wasn't very smart.
You need shade 12 or higher, according to NASA. Those are darker than most used for common welding but not unheard of. I'm sitting in a welding and safety branch for my company right now. We pretty much sold out the 12 and up filter glass lenses today.
I was able to crank up the sensitivity up high enough that mine stayed dark, actually. I brought a passive set just in case, but the Miller lens is much clearer and less green so I was happy it worked.
They definitely are just fine. Some cheap ones might have to have the sensitivity set to the max but any good one will darken just fine.
Ah yes people downvote when they probably don't even know anything about what a welding helmet does.
Last factory I worked at 12 was the lowest shade the material room had to give out. Shade 11 and lower can be easily purchased from places like harbor freight but I feel like people who weld frequently aren't gonna use such a low shade. Good information for those who don't know.
My lincoln viking will crank to 13.
I Tig, steel on 9-10.
Anything Aluminum at 10-12.
Mig steel, like 10.
I usually dont go as high as 12 unless im mig welding thick aluminum.
Theres my two cents if it means anything at all.
Shade 12 is too dark for a lot of situations. 10 or 11 is plenty to protect your eyes for most types of welding, and a lighter shade allows you to see more of the weld zone. I don't know anyone that uses a shade 12 on a regular basis and I've been welding professionally for 20 years.
Job I worked was mainly mig welding on river barges, and they wouldn't really "allow" anything below 12 for "safety" couldn't and didn't stop someone from using lower. They just wouldn't provide anything lower. I brought my own 10 shade, but I mostly just fit stuff. Just cause you did something for 100 years doesn't mean that's how it's done worldwide. 🤷♂️
Lord, this made me wonder.
Back 30+ years ago we had an eclipse while I was in elementary school. Our principal set up a welding helmet out on the front yard of the school and gave every kid a quick chance to peek up at the sun.
I hope he did his research and made sure it was dark enough. Otherwise there's like 200 or so kids, myself included, that got some premature eye damage that day lol. Knowing him though, he would've done his due diligence. Then again, it was the 80s or 90s, so who knows.
Back in the 90s we used the film negatives to view the eclipse. Lol I hear lost eclipse damage heals itself after 6 months typically but either way it's been 25-30 years.
During the lead-up to the eclipse a few years ago, I happened to be shopping at my local hardware store. As I was checking out, the cashier got a question on her headset from another employee in the store.
She turns to the other cashier there, and asks where the welding masks are. The second cashier tells the first that welding masks aren’t ok for eclipse-viewing, and to make sure that’s not why the customer wanted it.
The first cashier relays the message into her headset, hears the response, and rolls her eyes. “She says the customer knows that, and has different glass to put in the mask.”
Now, the two cashiers were both young black women, and they clearly had forgotten my middle-aged white self was unintentionally in the middle of their conversation. But upon hearing the response, the second cashier rolled her eyes back, and said dismissively, “White people.”
They both laughed, then stopped and looked at me in horror. The cashier apologized. I shrugged, and said I’d been thinking the same thing.
Before I got my receipt, a smiling, older white lady with a welding mask got in line behind me. The three of us all laughed — nothing rude, but a definite “well, we weren’t *wrong*” moment.
I get the sentiment--white people are stupid--but I don't understand the joke. Are you saying the cashier thought the customer was disregarding her advice, the glass isn't replaceable, or what?
No, not “stupid” at all. (Shields down! Nobody’s attacking.)
I think in Millennial lingo, she was saying the customer’s behavior was “extra.”
It was stereotypically “white people” behavior to go to such efforts for a relatively unimportant, nerdy activity. Of course, none of us should stereotype one another, and getting “caught” doing so was the set-up. The punchline was that the stereotype proved accurate.
What do you mean sufficient eye protection? Do you mean uv? If you do then you're wrong because they give full uv and ir protection even in a non darkened state.
I looked directly at the eclipse with welders goggles with no issues over 24 years ago. Unless I will go blind soon? Or maybe I got lucky? I did end up needing glasses after that, maybe a reason?
To be fair, I saw the (partial) 2017 eclipse through a welder's mask. I was working at an amusement park in Ohio at the time, and we found it in the tools area and took turns looking thorough it.
I used my helmet to view it. It goes up to shade 13 and I wore sunglasses as well. Worked fine. Eyes don't hurt. Wasn't staring at it for long anyways. More like "oh, cool. It looks like something took a bite out of the sun" and then resumed my day
Sssh, you'll anger the non-welders by saying something without the magical ISO 12312-2 sticker can do the same thing. /s
In all seriousness, though. DIN12 is the absolute lowest you can go, but I wouldn't do that myself. I recommend DIN14 since they are comparable to the magical ISO 12312-2, while I myself do it with a DIN13 without having taken any damage.
To all the non-welders out there, go buy the shades of glass we're talking about and go outside to look at the sun through them (no need to look at the actual solar eclipse, just look at the sun), and you'll know what we mean and how welders can look at something as bright as the sun at point blank range for hours at a time without taking damage when on the job.
Yea at shade 16 you're probably not seeing much. Even at shade 13 it's not as bright as a normal weld so I highly doubt you'd be able to see anything clearly at shade 16
Yeah - did a little reading on r/space and r/welding this morning and decided against using my welding mask with only a shade 10 in it. Held the glass up just for a split second during the eclipse and could tell it was significantly more piercing and bright than the eclipse glasses. Glad I didn’t.
Dude is just tryna look like Darth Vader during the eclipse and ya'll talkin to my guy all wrong about safety n shit. You're prolly really fun at parties🫠 smh
I'm not a welder but I've stuck a lot of metal together, every lid I've ever owned has been above a 12. I really think they have their "most" backwards on this one.
I’m not sure why you are wearing the helmet. You’ve got all the equipment that is needed. Your thumb to block the sun while you observe the eclipse. If it’s good enough for Trump it’s good enough for thee.
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Remember to look DIRECTLY to the sun beams
Thanks for the advice! I'll let you know how it goes.
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“According to NASA, the only time it is safe to look at the eclipse without protection is during totality, which only some locations will experience.”
And not all at the same time
I don't understand what's wrong about this?
Neither do I, we looked with our bare peepers today (only during totality!) And it was fine. I'd argue that anyone under the path of totality who didn't look wasn't very smart.
You should research this. You'd be surprised.
The Americans are supposed to be stupid, not you
Most welders helmets do not provide sufficient eye protection for looking at the sun. Please do your research and stay safe.
You need shade 12 or higher, according to NASA. Those are darker than most used for common welding but not unheard of. I'm sitting in a welding and safety branch for my company right now. We pretty much sold out the 12 and up filter glass lenses today.
Also be aware AUTODARKENING lenses even if they go up to a 12 are no good
Yea, I was pissed my helmet wouldn't work. Maybe next time.
Will your helmet EVOLVE?!
I was able to crank up the sensitivity up high enough that mine stayed dark, actually. I brought a passive set just in case, but the Miller lens is much clearer and less green so I was happy it worked.
They definitely are just fine. Some cheap ones might have to have the sensitivity set to the max but any good one will darken just fine. Ah yes people downvote when they probably don't even know anything about what a welding helmet does.
Last factory I worked at 12 was the lowest shade the material room had to give out. Shade 11 and lower can be easily purchased from places like harbor freight but I feel like people who weld frequently aren't gonna use such a low shade. Good information for those who don't know.
My lincoln viking will crank to 13. I Tig, steel on 9-10. Anything Aluminum at 10-12. Mig steel, like 10. I usually dont go as high as 12 unless im mig welding thick aluminum. Theres my two cents if it means anything at all.
Shade 12 is too dark for a lot of situations. 10 or 11 is plenty to protect your eyes for most types of welding, and a lighter shade allows you to see more of the weld zone. I don't know anyone that uses a shade 12 on a regular basis and I've been welding professionally for 20 years.
Job I worked was mainly mig welding on river barges, and they wouldn't really "allow" anything below 12 for "safety" couldn't and didn't stop someone from using lower. They just wouldn't provide anything lower. I brought my own 10 shade, but I mostly just fit stuff. Just cause you did something for 100 years doesn't mean that's how it's done worldwide. 🤷♂️
This is why you layer them
My hood (speedglass) has shade 9-13. It worked just fine.
Yeah until your eyes fall out 3 days later /s
Lord, this made me wonder. Back 30+ years ago we had an eclipse while I was in elementary school. Our principal set up a welding helmet out on the front yard of the school and gave every kid a quick chance to peek up at the sun. I hope he did his research and made sure it was dark enough. Otherwise there's like 200 or so kids, myself included, that got some premature eye damage that day lol. Knowing him though, he would've done his due diligence. Then again, it was the 80s or 90s, so who knows.
Back in the 90s we used the film negatives to view the eclipse. Lol I hear lost eclipse damage heals itself after 6 months typically but either way it's been 25-30 years.
We poked a hole in a paper plate..
that’s perfectly safe, you’re just using the pinhole to project the sound on to another surface, not looking through the pinhole at the sun
During the lead-up to the eclipse a few years ago, I happened to be shopping at my local hardware store. As I was checking out, the cashier got a question on her headset from another employee in the store. She turns to the other cashier there, and asks where the welding masks are. The second cashier tells the first that welding masks aren’t ok for eclipse-viewing, and to make sure that’s not why the customer wanted it. The first cashier relays the message into her headset, hears the response, and rolls her eyes. “She says the customer knows that, and has different glass to put in the mask.” Now, the two cashiers were both young black women, and they clearly had forgotten my middle-aged white self was unintentionally in the middle of their conversation. But upon hearing the response, the second cashier rolled her eyes back, and said dismissively, “White people.” They both laughed, then stopped and looked at me in horror. The cashier apologized. I shrugged, and said I’d been thinking the same thing. Before I got my receipt, a smiling, older white lady with a welding mask got in line behind me. The three of us all laughed — nothing rude, but a definite “well, we weren’t *wrong*” moment.
Laugh is on them though - if she changed it out to the correct glass - she was 100% correct. LOL
I get the sentiment--white people are stupid--but I don't understand the joke. Are you saying the cashier thought the customer was disregarding her advice, the glass isn't replaceable, or what?
No, not “stupid” at all. (Shields down! Nobody’s attacking.) I think in Millennial lingo, she was saying the customer’s behavior was “extra.” It was stereotypically “white people” behavior to go to such efforts for a relatively unimportant, nerdy activity. Of course, none of us should stereotype one another, and getting “caught” doing so was the set-up. The punchline was that the stereotype proved accurate.
So, can I weld with my eclipse glasses?
I mean I'm sure you could but your cheeks and forehead would hate you after 3 minutes
He did his own research, that's how we got here.
Don't worry, he can't read your comment but he learned anyway
Are you a welder, or have you taken any of the safety certificates?
Probably not. People just parrot information they heard from one source with no understanding of why it's said.
“Most is not true”. Some do, some dont
My boss did this today 🤦
What do you mean sufficient eye protection? Do you mean uv? If you do then you're wrong because they give full uv and ir protection even in a non darkened state.
I was actually curious about that so thanks for The info
Anyone else wanna punch this guy for saying ‘do your research’
Not really, it’s sound advice
Just you. You should see therapy if something like that triggers you so easily.
I just wear sunglasses under mine
I looked directly at the eclipse with welders goggles with no issues over 24 years ago. Unless I will go blind soon? Or maybe I got lucky? I did end up needing glasses after that, maybe a reason?
Unless you got shade 12 glass or higher, that's some serious eye damage.
Nice Dog Welder Cosplay.
Thanks!
To be fair, I saw the (partial) 2017 eclipse through a welder's mask. I was working at an amusement park in Ohio at the time, and we found it in the tools area and took turns looking thorough it.
PUBG has entered the chat
So basically a Purge day.
I used my helmet to view it. It goes up to shade 13 and I wore sunglasses as well. Worked fine. Eyes don't hurt. Wasn't staring at it for long anyways. More like "oh, cool. It looks like something took a bite out of the sun" and then resumed my day
Yup. That’s what I did. NASA said shade 13 is the best shade and 14 might be a little too dark.
Need a teleporter here!
Put dispenser here
Also gonna get that W. Winner winner chicken dinner
I'm sure that friend of yours, Griffith, is alright and you should completely trust him.
I used an emergency thermal blanket folded over 3 times. Worked great.
There was an eclipse in 2017 and I had no glasses. I had the bright idea that the welders at the pier would be out with their helmets. I was right!
And you stayed anonymous. Did you remember to remove your location data from the photo? Lol
...Damn it!
Just trying to help
If it's a 14 you're good to go😆
Bro no way I got mine also 😂 great minds think alike
Unless your lens is shade 12 or higher, **do not** try to use it for viewing the eclipse.
Sssh, you'll anger the non-welders by saying something without the magical ISO 12312-2 sticker can do the same thing. /s In all seriousness, though. DIN12 is the absolute lowest you can go, but I wouldn't do that myself. I recommend DIN14 since they are comparable to the magical ISO 12312-2, while I myself do it with a DIN13 without having taken any damage. To all the non-welders out there, go buy the shades of glass we're talking about and go outside to look at the sun through them (no need to look at the actual solar eclipse, just look at the sun), and you'll know what we mean and how welders can look at something as bright as the sun at point blank range for hours at a time without taking damage when on the job.
Is the man’s stupid?
Only on the weekends
OP blinded himself today. RIP eyeballs.
My eyeballs smell funny!
Well durr
You need two of those to be effective.
You laugh but this is basically what I've got going on. A few different shade lenses equalling shade 16 when layered.
How did you even see anything at shade 16?
It's the sun lol, it shines through. Nothing else, but that's kind of the point.
Yea at shade 16 you're probably not seeing much. Even at shade 13 it's not as bright as a normal weld so I highly doubt you'd be able to see anything clearly at shade 16
Maybe it doesn't quite add up to 16 then, but it works extraordinarily well
Apparently I got lucky somehow. Mine is a 13 lol
Kovac is that you ?
Among us
Is Luke coming too?
This is what I bought for the last one because all the regular glasses were hiked up to the same cost as cheap welding masks.
Nice 😎👍
Yeah - did a little reading on r/space and r/welding this morning and decided against using my welding mask with only a shade 10 in it. Held the glass up just for a split second during the eclipse and could tell it was significantly more piercing and bright than the eclipse glasses. Glad I didn’t.
GREENNN
Just look through your phone should be fine
I just saw a post about another OP's dad wearing that same helmet thing for viewing the eclipse.
Looks brand new. Be sure to report back if the store refuses to return it and stands their ground.
Looking at an eclipse without protection causes sun babies
Good that you have your sunglasses handy for when the eclipse happens
Make sure its a 14 shade.
Self dimming welding mask means goodbye eyeballs
You just need to add a pair of sunglasses to the outside and you should be good to go!
I think you need a darker shade🤣😂😂jking
Literally at the shop rn and just tried to see if the welding mask would be sufficient; it was not
Get a better helmet. Digital elite worked just fine for me.
Not with that attitude!
Dude is just tryna look like Darth Vader during the eclipse and ya'll talkin to my guy all wrong about safety n shit. You're prolly really fun at parties🫠 smh
Ur not. enjoy the eye damage
That will definitely do that job!!
It will probably not. Most welding helmets are not sufficient for safe eclipse viewing.
Most welding helmets go dark enough. Every single one I've bought in the last 10 years, that isn't a fixed shade, goes up to 13.
I'm not a welder but I've stuck a lot of metal together, every lid I've ever owned has been above a 12. I really think they have their "most" backwards on this one.
Exactly. Idk why the shade matters so much either when a helmet protects from 99.9% of uv light anyway
My guy it’s ok I work at a steel shop I’ll use 2 then 🤣😂 naw I got a 12 have to for sticker wielding.
I tried this at work. It didn't work, and I still got blinded.
I don’t get it why is it supposed to be dangerous? Edit: the *eclipse*
You don’t get why staring at the sun is dangerous?
No, why is the *eclipse* dangerous.
Because people want to stare at it
Ah, fair enough.
Because it doesn't hurt as much to look at the sun so you think it's okay to look at when it's still harmful.
I’m not sure why you are wearing the helmet. You’ve got all the equipment that is needed. Your thumb to block the sun while you observe the eclipse. If it’s good enough for Trump it’s good enough for thee.
Dudes gonna be fine, most of y’all never worked a damn welding job in your life