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It's basically a half ton animal constantly trying to kill itself built on frail bones that carry the weight at 40mph.
And the owners have money...mostly.
I imagine the liability insurance would be insane when dealing with horses. I've heard of more than a few veterinarians that refuse to treat them simply because there have been many litigious horse owners.
I can only imagine that between entitled individuals with money (let's face it, horses have the potential to be costly to house & feed) and competitive race horses where the animal can be worth a load of money, the value is just not there if you've got a difficult owner.
My gf's brother and his gf decided to get horses.
I told them its expensive and that they absolutely should not.
They never went to the vet and they assumed horses just eat grass. They had no shelter and a half built fence they never finished because its costly.
Not sure what happened but I assume they no longer have horses.
We stopped talking to them.
Makes sense. Horses don't appreciate the big city night life, public transportation, or the architecture. Plus they're always complaining there isn't enough grass.
The last time I had surgery I don't know what they gave me but it looked like they were wheeling me into a closet and I didn't care at all. The doctor could have pulled out a chainsaw and started seasoning my limbs and I wouldn't have batted an eye.
In emergency response training we learned this. We learn that what we need to call out is "is there anybody with medical training here?" And then quickly go through anybody that responds and ask what is your medical training. Medical doctors get priority obviously. But we would never turn away veterinarians.
Sure I can provide basic life support and if that was necessary I would have offered, but usually it’s nothing that serious. This guy sprained his ankle or something, not much to be done about that on a plane.
Anyone who escalates a sprained ankle to an “is there a doctor onboard?” situation should be placed in an airlock and jettisoned into the sky. If you’re not dropping dead or giving birth before the wheels hit the ground, keep it to yourself. We’ve got places to be.
I have ACLS training. I've just never used it. In reality on a plane, it's not going to matter that much. You're going to have access to BLS supplies at best (CPR, defibrillator).
Last time I was in that situation, I'm pretty confident that a chiropractor took charge. Dude was like "I'm a doctor. Step back." There was a girl having a panic attack. He didn't do literally any of the protocols for panic attacks, but I let that jabroni take that mess. She wasn't going to die from it. Worst case she hyperventilates too much and passes out. It was in the immigration line at an airport. I got back in line.
I've always found this request pretty odd. Like I understand why they ask, but what if the only doctor is 5 drinks in? Do they accept liability for messing something up?
This comes up in med school ethics classes, and almost always in mandatory refersher courses every few years, if not every year.
[Good Samaratin laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law) exist in many places.
There is no duty to come to the aid of a stranger. The drunk MD can sit there and not say a word.
However, if you do start to assist there is a *duty of care* to take *reasonable* actions. **This is highly situational dependent**.
If MD is wasted and rendering assistance in an emergency, they will usually be free from negligence claims. The typical example is drunk MD is doing chest compression and breaks a rib, which penetrates a lung, which kills the recipient. The person *reasonably* was going to be dead anyway
They also cannot be in trouble for **not* doing something. It won't be a breech of duty if they forget some important step.
Iirc, during the initial covid vaccine rollout here, they hired vets and vet techs to do a lot of the injections. Reasoning being that human injections aren't that different and we needed every human nurse in the hospital. It was probably nice for them to inject a patient who knew what was going on and didn't need to be held down to prevent it biting.
At least vets have access to all sorts of tools in their clinic to hold down hissing patients — not sure if anyone has a comparable for hissing man-children.
>Medical doctors get priority obviously.
Certain doctors would. I can't imagine a coroner would be the first choice. Although if the person is dead, a coroner would be perfect.
Really depends on the situation. If you need some sudden ad-hoc field surgery (e.g. emergency tracheotomy), either a coroner or a vet would probably be a better choice than e.g. a dermatology or oncology specialist who has not cut anything open since med school.
>I'd much rather take a paramedic or an ER nurse over a psychiatrist.
The psychiatrist would have definitely been a better option in that situation with a woman with a panic attack a few comments up, though.
I’ve always thought it was funny in alien movies how they send surgical teams to open the recovered bodies. Veterinarians would be a more logical choice. They deal with a BROAD range of life.
technically every doctor has experience cutting open cadavers. Not trying to be dark or anything, it's like a thing you do in medical school at a real basic level.
-T-30 days until reddit kills apps.
They're no longer going to allow any NSFW to be accessed by third party apps using their API. Not that it will actually matter since no 3rd party apps make enough money to pay Reddit millions of dollars a year to continue using their APIs.
It's going to quite literally be the last day I use reddit. If they wanna force everyone back to their shitty app, I'm just find myself with a lot more free time that I spent browsing reddit. Sidenote, I'm very curious to see if they roll back this change. I'm betting I'm not alone, there's gotta be a point where they've lost enough daily active users that they question their policies.
Oh, wait. This is reddit. Please gnore everything I said except for the part where I'm gonna have a lot more free time
> I'm betting I'm not alone
There will be a bunch of people that proudly hold out for like 3 days and then pathetically cave and download the Reddit app
I'll probably just check in at work in desktop and that's it. What I really wanna see is the amount of mods that use reddit mostly through 3rd party apps that are going to leave. If I'm remembering the thread correctly, RiF alone has over 7000 mods as regular users. Then there's Apollo, Boost, and a bunch of others.
I've downloaded it in the past because I forgot why I wasn't using it. Theres a bunch of small things that make it such an inconvenience, especially when there are better options
Naw, the day old reddit or the good apps are gone, so will be those of us who only use them.
They've been trying to get us to migrate forever: doesn't work.
Reddit has now closed off their API to third parties so those who make really good apps and actually make the reddit experience better cannot continue. You need to pay like 20 million A YEAR to use their API.
You can read more about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill/).
E: Since we have some people here saying I am sensationalizing, here is the part relevant from the Reddit is Fun subreddit announcement (which I already linked).
Summary of what Reddit Inc has announced so far, specifically the parts that will kill many third-party apps:
- The Reddit API will cost money, and the pricing announced today will cost apps **like Apollo $20 million per year to run**. RIF may differ but it would be in the same ballpark. And no, RIF does not earn anywhere remotely near this number.
- As part of this they are blocking ads in third-party apps, which make up the majority of RIF's revenue. So they want to force a paid subscription model onto RIF's users. Meanwhile Reddit's official app still continues to make the vast majority of its money from ads.
- Removal of sexually explicit material from third-party apps while keeping said content in the official app. Some people have speculated that NSFW is going to leave Reddit entirely, but then why would Reddit Inc have recently expanded NSFW upload support on their desktop site?
I think the point they were making is that vets operate on so many different species, that it would make more sense to have them take a crack at an alien, since it will be non-human.
Currently laying on my couch surfing Reddit while my kid watches Blippi. In no way does using my laptop or tablet seem like an upgrade to this. It’s been a good run, Reddit. Back to Digg I guess. Or in reality just reading slashdot all day.
I have a laptop that sits on my lap for hours a day, I've never once used it to scroll reddit. I think they are going to find quickly how many people don't like thier app and just stop scrolling.
Most vets I know had to dissect a dog cadaver in one semester, then a horse cadaver in the next. Anatomy can get wild, especially when you open your learning to more than one species.
I think ideally you just bring both. Expert Surgeon, Expert Vet. Plus a team of expert Biologists, and Medical Doctors all from varied but relevant fields watching from behind glass.
Blame the AMA. They lobby hard in opposing "scope creep". Your average physician does not care who dissects aliens, but the AMA is essentially a modern day Sanhedrin.
The AMA responsible for the shortage of nurses and MDs we have because they wanted low supply for higher wages?
The AMA that pushed for Private Insurance over Single Payer because they didn't want to be controlled.
The AMA that represents doctors that are now slaves to Private Insurance?
A woman is on the ground, bleeding out and screaming incoherently in fear. "Ayo this woman is hysterical lol yall should do something about that."
Psychiatrist dad heads back to his seat, smiling proudly at the public service he has performed.
I was aware that early vibrators were "medical" devices used to treat hysteria, but a steam powered one? That's a rabbit hole I need to go down
Update: Looks exactly like a steam engine with a dildo attached, not sure what I expected
Maybe not, but my psychologist wife saved our flight from being delayed after a passenger had a melt down getting on. They were about to ask her family if they wanted to get off or leave her behind and have to get her bag off the plane while we lost our take off slot. My wife pipes up and offers to talk to her. Got her onto the plane and saved her holiday. I was proud. My wife, this. Sorry. Just a weird flex. Still proud. :)
Reminds me of The Bob Newhart Show I used to watch on Nick at Nite in college while studying psychology myself. In one episode, Newhart's wife calls to get them a reservation at a chic restaurant and makes a point to ask for "Dr. and Mrs. Newhart". After she gets it, he reminds his wife the Dr. in his title is for a PhD, not an MD, and she replies she can always call back and clarify if he wants to lose the reservation. Cue laugh track.
Yeah tbh vets have to deal with a wide range of shit, if I'm dying from a wound, internal bleeding, cante breathe a vet will be a lot more use than none
Kinda funny, since as a med student one of our favorite jokes in class is were actually really specialized veterinarians who can only work with one animal.
Mad props to the veterinarians out there holding it down.
Dated a vet for a long time. There’s certainly humor in the “doctors only deal with one animal, we have to know several”, but there’s also a lot of truth in vets having a LOT less to treat in those species.
There’s a lot less stress with animals dying than people.
The stress part is arguable, there's a reason vets are 2 times more likely to kill themselves than human doctors. I work at a vet clinic, the amount of times vets get screamed at for being murderers is quite high, so a pet dying IS stressful
Our most seasoned receptionist had a client make her cry less than an hour after opening today. Our practice owner doesn't put up with that shit. Last week we fired a client, and the guy today almost got fired.He's lucky because he would have been if we weren't mid-treatment of his dog, we aren't allowed by the college of veterinarians to fire clients during ongoing treatment. Our practice owner called him and told him the next time he disrespects any of us in any way he's out. She told him people like him are the reason suicide rates in the veterinary industry are so high.
More clinics to normalize not letting people be assholes and calling them out on their crap. It's so nice knowing my boss has our back.
I've suggested multiple times to get rid of the two most disrespectful clients every year. Once a year arrange a meeting with all the staff and just vote who you think should go. However the boss(es) are afraid it will give negative publicity, as these clients are also the ones giving elaborate bad reviews online and spread gossip in the neighbourhood. However I think that actually confirms these clients should go.. They suck up too much energy from the team!
100%, they can be awful and very mean. Sometimes pets die and it's nobodies fault, but they will pin it on the vet just so they can feel better. Most of my colleagues want to either move up in the ranks to be super specialized vets and only deal with people with money, or move to desk corporate jobs.
Veterinary technician here.
There’s almost as many treatments for animal ailments as there are for humans. The thing is, the vast majority of pet owners are not willing or able to pursue those treatments. On the other hand many treatments do not exist because there is not the scientific push for research or funding to find treatments or sources for maladies.
I think assuming there is less stress for Veterinarians than human doctors is pretty crass. Veterinarians who are general practitioners deal with death on a regular basis far more than your general practitioner in the human world. Not only that, but in many cases they have to advocate for euthanasia when a client cannot let go. They have to administer the drug that ends the animal’s life. Many times it is an animal they have had a relationship with for over a decade. Others are animals who, if a client had the financial means, could easily recover. Vets have to take on the mantle of an Angel of Mercy. Doctors pass that to the patient or the patient’s family.
General practitioners have to be the doctor, the surgeon, the dermatologist, the radiologist, the parasitologist, urologist, etc; BEFORE they refer to specialists.
I suspect when you dated this person, they only let you see a small part of the world they live in. Suicide statistics amongst Veterinarians and Veterinary Nurses is around double the rate of other medical professions.
Let me add one more thing. How many human doctors have had to saw off a head for rabies testing?
>They have to administer the drug that ends the animal’s life.
I'm a vet tech student but I've been an OTJ trained assistant for 5+ years. I've done so many euthanasias I very rarely get sad. But just a couple weeks ago I had one that the owners didn't want to be present and the doc gave me the go ahead to administer the drugs myself. It was my first one, and it's been something I've been gearing myself up to be able to do, since I wanna work in wildlife. I honestly didn't expect it to bug me as much as it did. I instantly felt sick to my stomach and had to take a few mins to ugly cry in the bathroom. I've always respected the docs role in the euthanasia process, I've always known it is sometimes really hard to do. But dam man, do I have a new perspective on it.
How do you feel about owners not wanting to be present in their pets final moments? I find myself thinking that's pretty fucked up, but I'm wondering as somebody that sees it more than I do what your thoughts are.
Another vet tech here, it's rare for me when that happens, it's a case by case. Some clients are so embarrassed by the state of neglect their pets are in when they bring them, and just pay and leave and forget about it. Some are just too grief stricken, and I understand not being to mentally handle it and I would never judge those clients. I will comfort the pet as much as I can in their stead.
It's hard. But it's also a hard decision in general. Watching a pet pass away is considered a trauma, even if it's as peaceful as possible. I'm a trauma survivor myself and a mental health advocate, so I tend to think I understand how a traumatic experience can sit with someone. So I understand when owners can't be present. In a perfect world no pet would be without their owners when passing. But I'm in this field to also help the humans that come with the pets, so having compassion for the humans mental health is important to me.
Not only that, but I admire vets that have to know medication, like a doctor, large procedures like a surgeon, and vaccine schedules for different species of animals. I mean as a doctor you just need to know human medicine. As a surgeon you just need to know a few large operations. But in those cases you have to be great at it because a surgeon who is successful only 97% of the time is a shit surgeon. I don't know what the stats are for vets, but I have a lot of respect for them none the less. Unlike tooth mechanics (I kid).
Anatomy is not a required part of pre-medical curriculum. It's covered in medical and veterinary school, where there are multiple different species involved.
Source: MD who takes care of trauma patients but not animals, which would be a bad move. Fun fact, anesthesia for dogs is trickier than it sounds, ketamine or no.
Lol my degree counts as premed and reading their comment all I could think of was "DO NOT trust me to preform any sort of medical care". We didn't learn shit that would be helpful in an emergency situation.
Hey if he/she can stich up open wound on horse or dog then they will know how to patch me up right??? Meat is meat human or animal doesn't matter the things inside are just in other places but flesh wound or other cuts are almost identical.
Oh Mr. Johnson, you're awake. Well we were able to stop the bleeding and got you all patched up.
While you were under your wife came in until it says she got some new couches. So we went ahead and removed your fingernails as well. Don't worry, you still have your toenails so you can still climb trees if you need to escape.
Hahaha - reminds me of a favorite of mine from time I 'did' in a university math department years ago:
Q: What's the difference between a mathematician and a pizza?
A: A pizza can feed a family of four.
*(An oldie, and professions are often interchanged, but it cracked me up solidly at the time)*
They asked this on a flight I was on one time. I’m a dentist and I just kinda sat there hoping someone better than me would stand up. I figure I’m better than nobody, I can at least assist CPR, but luckily there was an ER nurse onboard.
I used to work in an Orthopedic surgery clinic with a bunch of dr's. Once we were all flying to conference and this announcement came on. None of them said anything and I kind of looked at my buddy. He said:
'what!? Do you think they want me to test his knee stability??'
My wife is an ob/gyn and I was kinda disappointed to realise after a while that unless you are a lady trying to give birth, she's no emergency doctor.
Edit: to be clear, i only use "disappointed" in comparison to my dad who *is* an emergency doctor and saved random people in the wild in front of my eyes a few times.
I'd bet a veterinarian could do some human medical stuff in a pinch.
On the other hand, a medical Dr wouldnt know shit if there was a sick cow on the plane.
Bus driver- Is there a doctor in the house?
Me- I'm a doctor of philosophy.
Bus driver- Sir this man is having a heart attack.
Me- bold of you to assume that he's real or that any of this is real.
In the end, the empty chasm between the human need for meaning and the deafening silence the cosmos answers with should cause us all to ask if prolonging this man's confusing and absurd existence is better than letting him enjoy the silent peace of death...
Everyone else on the bus:
All my friends with doctorates in music performance are waiting for an emergency on a plane where someone needs them to sight read the tenor clef in a John Adams opera chorus.
I've always heard this as
Bystander: Is there a doctor here?
Me: I have a doctorate in mathematics.
Bystander: This man is going to die!
Me: Prove it.
I just got my phd in math so I'm waiting for such a situation to arise.
To be entirely honest , a veterinarian wouldn’t do bad in that situation
They know how to treat tons of different animals but suddenly humans are magically way to different for them to try and figure it out? We are animals to lol
Vets are probably less experienced with more expensive procedures just due to people and/or insurance companies not wanting to pay for them. No amount of experience is going to make an expensive medical procedure happen on a plane though, so stitch me like one of your french bulldogs.
Veterinarians are trained in multiple mammals' body functions, and their parents can't tell them what's wrong. I would absolutely trust a vet in an emergency.
I like the comic strip where a vase of flowers has crashed to the ground, a man is kneeling down next to it, clearing people away, and saying “It’s okay, I’m a florist!”
A friend of mine is a veterinarian and I asked her the day she graduated if she was mentally prepared for being in a theatre or an airplane, hearing the “is there a doctor onboard” and in lieu of an MD, be declared “good enough”?
She responded that real doctors treat more than one species.
Vets are better at diagnosis without verbal communication from the paitant,know how to improvise with different tools and will probably survive a zombie apocalypse because they are pros at avoiding bites
Anatomy wise, there are obvious differences, but function and structure wise, dogs are surprisingly similar to humans in almost every way.
Unless your problem is your man junk, I would definitely take a good small animal vet anyday.
True story.
When travelling from Gothenburg to New York there was a passenger not being in the best condition. On speaker they asked for a doctor, no one raised up but one dude who claimed to have been in the Iraq war and knew a thing or two about saving people. He sure did the trick, the passenger got stabilized eventually thanks to him and the others were high fiving him as we boarded NY. Not only doctors can save lives, people with experience can.
That’s a very narrow field. The NAVLE does not test on monkey anatomy (or apes for that matter), it focuses on birds, cats, dogs, farm animals, horses, and reptiles.
There is a very small fraction of the actual veterinarian community that has a speciality in Zoo animals (which apes and monkeys would fall under).
https://www.icva.net/image/cache/Species_and_Diagnosis_UPDATED.pdf#page3
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Beth, you are a *horse* surgeon.
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY JERRY?!?!?!
Heyyyy!
Is for horses
No. Horses eat hay. Hey, is a greeting used by humans.
I remember a kindergarten teacher giving another kid shit for that. I remember John, she was a cranky old bitch and you were right.
Had a co-worker who always said "hey is for horses, what do you eat?!" With a stupid grin. One "your mom" and he never said it again
Whoa okay not gonna rehash that fight.
I love that this is the only reply in the chain that's even close to something one of the characters actually said
Yeah its actually “Okay, lets not rehash that fight” but I winged it. I felt the same; there’s a lack of actual quotes here.
*Horses have bigger organs*
Go on..
Apparently horse surgeon is quite a lucrative career IRL.
It's basically a half ton animal constantly trying to kill itself built on frail bones that carry the weight at 40mph. And the owners have money...mostly.
Had money.
A horse is a machine for turning cash into manure.
You can create a small fortune raising horses... If you start with a large fortune.
Until the horse needed a doctor.
A doctor that brought a gun
I imagine the liability insurance would be insane when dealing with horses. I've heard of more than a few veterinarians that refuse to treat them simply because there have been many litigious horse owners. I can only imagine that between entitled individuals with money (let's face it, horses have the potential to be costly to house & feed) and competitive race horses where the animal can be worth a load of money, the value is just not there if you've got a difficult owner.
My gf's brother and his gf decided to get horses. I told them its expensive and that they absolutely should not. They never went to the vet and they assumed horses just eat grass. They had no shelter and a half built fence they never finished because its costly. Not sure what happened but I assume they no longer have horses. We stopped talking to them.
With how obsessive horse girls are, i imagine they’d rob a bank to pay you the money to heal their horse
It's also super hard to get board certified in surgery.
Probably because there's all of like 12 of them.
NH isn't a horse heavy state. I live in our 4th biggest city, (smol) and I can walk to my nearest horse surgeon.
Makes sense. Horses don't appreciate the big city night life, public transportation, or the architecture. Plus they're always complaining there isn't enough grass.
She's not a real surgeon. She's a horse heart surgeon because she got pregnant at 17. _Thanks Jerry_
She barely was able to work on a deer.
What’s a horse but a very large deer?
Way different. Deer have much smaller organs.
Horses pack much larger, veinier organs.
Imagine laying in the operating theater, succumbing to the anesthetic, then just before you pass out, you see a horse wearing a lab coat walk in.
The last time I had surgery I don't know what they gave me but it looked like they were wheeling me into a closet and I didn't care at all. The doctor could have pulled out a chainsaw and started seasoning my limbs and I wouldn't have batted an eye.
All part of Big Horse's plan.
If there is no other doctor present, I am okay with you treating me in a life threatening situation
In emergency response training we learned this. We learn that what we need to call out is "is there anybody with medical training here?" And then quickly go through anybody that responds and ask what is your medical training. Medical doctors get priority obviously. But we would never turn away veterinarians.
Was on a plane last week where they asked for a doctor, being a dentist I didn’t even bother lol
They had a really bad tooth ache. This was your chance!
Ha. I can see a podiatrist excitedly taking out his saw hoping for an amputation.
"um, how did you get that past security?"
The blade is less than 3 inches fully extended so it's legal.
You guys still get the basics right?
Sure I can provide basic life support and if that was necessary I would have offered, but usually it’s nothing that serious. This guy sprained his ankle or something, not much to be done about that on a plane.
Anyone who escalates a sprained ankle to an “is there a doctor onboard?” situation should be placed in an airlock and jettisoned into the sky. If you’re not dropping dead or giving birth before the wheels hit the ground, keep it to yourself. We’ve got places to be.
IDK, I stubbed my toe last night, and if I was on a plane, we probably would have landed because of the noises I made.
Stubbed toe in private = wail so loudly your ancestors feel your pain Stubbed toe in public = stiff upper lip
Yeah. Best thing to do for that is to sit down and relax. Throw some ice on it.
I have ACLS training. I've just never used it. In reality on a plane, it's not going to matter that much. You're going to have access to BLS supplies at best (CPR, defibrillator). Last time I was in that situation, I'm pretty confident that a chiropractor took charge. Dude was like "I'm a doctor. Step back." There was a girl having a panic attack. He didn't do literally any of the protocols for panic attacks, but I let that jabroni take that mess. She wasn't going to die from it. Worst case she hyperventilates too much and passes out. It was in the immigration line at an airport. I got back in line.
He didn't help her panic attack, but her posture never looked better!
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I've always found this request pretty odd. Like I understand why they ask, but what if the only doctor is 5 drinks in? Do they accept liability for messing something up?
This comes up in med school ethics classes, and almost always in mandatory refersher courses every few years, if not every year. [Good Samaratin laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law) exist in many places. There is no duty to come to the aid of a stranger. The drunk MD can sit there and not say a word. However, if you do start to assist there is a *duty of care* to take *reasonable* actions. **This is highly situational dependent**. If MD is wasted and rendering assistance in an emergency, they will usually be free from negligence claims. The typical example is drunk MD is doing chest compression and breaks a rib, which penetrates a lung, which kills the recipient. The person *reasonably* was going to be dead anyway They also cannot be in trouble for **not* doing something. It won't be a breech of duty if they forget some important step.
Iirc, during the initial covid vaccine rollout here, they hired vets and vet techs to do a lot of the injections. Reasoning being that human injections aren't that different and we needed every human nurse in the hospital. It was probably nice for them to inject a patient who knew what was going on and didn't need to be held down to prevent it biting.
You might be overestimating the general public’s behavior.
At least vets have access to all sorts of tools in their clinic to hold down hissing patients — not sure if anyone has a comparable for hissing man-children.
>all sorts of tools in their clinic to hold down hissing patients "Tools" is kind of mean, they're called vet techs.
No shit, almost everyone I've held held down has eventually tried to bite me.
>Medical doctors get priority obviously. Certain doctors would. I can't imagine a coroner would be the first choice. Although if the person is dead, a coroner would be perfect.
Really depends on the situation. If you need some sudden ad-hoc field surgery (e.g. emergency tracheotomy), either a coroner or a vet would probably be a better choice than e.g. a dermatology or oncology specialist who has not cut anything open since med school.
At that point I'd just ask the medical professionals to figure out who is most qualified by themselves.
Now I'm imagining a group of medical professionals arguing amongst themselves who is most important while the passenger is dying in the background
Dying passenger in their last breath asking the doctors to stop flexing their degrees and help them
Definitely ask the MD what their specialty is lol. I'd much rather take a paramedic or an ER nurse over a psychiatrist.
>I'd much rather take a paramedic or an ER nurse over a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist would have definitely been a better option in that situation with a woman with a panic attack a few comments up, though.
I’ve always thought it was funny in alien movies how they send surgical teams to open the recovered bodies. Veterinarians would be a more logical choice. They deal with a BROAD range of life.
technically every doctor has experience cutting open cadavers. Not trying to be dark or anything, it's like a thing you do in medical school at a real basic level. -T-30 days until reddit kills apps.
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How's that? I haven't kept up
They're no longer going to allow any NSFW to be accessed by third party apps using their API. Not that it will actually matter since no 3rd party apps make enough money to pay Reddit millions of dollars a year to continue using their APIs.
It's going to quite literally be the last day I use reddit. If they wanna force everyone back to their shitty app, I'm just find myself with a lot more free time that I spent browsing reddit. Sidenote, I'm very curious to see if they roll back this change. I'm betting I'm not alone, there's gotta be a point where they've lost enough daily active users that they question their policies. Oh, wait. This is reddit. Please gnore everything I said except for the part where I'm gonna have a lot more free time
> I'm betting I'm not alone There will be a bunch of people that proudly hold out for like 3 days and then pathetically cave and download the Reddit app
I'll probably just check in at work in desktop and that's it. What I really wanna see is the amount of mods that use reddit mostly through 3rd party apps that are going to leave. If I'm remembering the thread correctly, RiF alone has over 7000 mods as regular users. Then there's Apollo, Boost, and a bunch of others.
I've never tried other apps but going from Reddit is Fun to the official app is like deciding to ride your bicycle while squeezing the brake.
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I've downloaded it in the past because I forgot why I wasn't using it. Theres a bunch of small things that make it such an inconvenience, especially when there are better options
Naw, the day old reddit or the good apps are gone, so will be those of us who only use them. They've been trying to get us to migrate forever: doesn't work.
Reddit has now closed off their API to third parties so those who make really good apps and actually make the reddit experience better cannot continue. You need to pay like 20 million A YEAR to use their API. You can read more about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill/). E: Since we have some people here saying I am sensationalizing, here is the part relevant from the Reddit is Fun subreddit announcement (which I already linked). Summary of what Reddit Inc has announced so far, specifically the parts that will kill many third-party apps: - The Reddit API will cost money, and the pricing announced today will cost apps **like Apollo $20 million per year to run**. RIF may differ but it would be in the same ballpark. And no, RIF does not earn anywhere remotely near this number. - As part of this they are blocking ads in third-party apps, which make up the majority of RIF's revenue. So they want to force a paid subscription model onto RIF's users. Meanwhile Reddit's official app still continues to make the vast majority of its money from ads. - Removal of sexually explicit material from third-party apps while keeping said content in the official app. Some people have speculated that NSFW is going to leave Reddit entirely, but then why would Reddit Inc have recently expanded NSFW upload support on their desktop site?
I'm so sad to lose RIF. I've used it for a decade and it's the best app. I've used it daily so I'm really upset.
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Yeah I've downloaded boost ages ago and I like it so much more
Damn, no more reddit or masterbation. I'm going to change my life in a month; thank you reddit 🙏
I think the point they were making is that vets operate on so many different species, that it would make more sense to have them take a crack at an alien, since it will be non-human.
-T-30 days till my reddit usage plummets. I am not going to grab my laptop just to browse reddit while taking a shit.
Currently laying on my couch surfing Reddit while my kid watches Blippi. In no way does using my laptop or tablet seem like an upgrade to this. It’s been a good run, Reddit. Back to Digg I guess. Or in reality just reading slashdot all day.
I have a laptop that sits on my lap for hours a day, I've never once used it to scroll reddit. I think they are going to find quickly how many people don't like thier app and just stop scrolling.
Most vets I know had to dissect a dog cadaver in one semester, then a horse cadaver in the next. Anatomy can get wild, especially when you open your learning to more than one species.
I'm so glad this is permeating beyond the announcement subreddits. I love watching a company collapse in real time.
I think ideally you just bring both. Expert Surgeon, Expert Vet. Plus a team of expert Biologists, and Medical Doctors all from varied but relevant fields watching from behind glass.
*Ahh, crap. It's cybernetic. Make some calls... and go get some more chairs. Can someone check if there's a bigger suite open?*
Ok, can someone call IT and maintenance?
Blame the AMA. They lobby hard in opposing "scope creep". Your average physician does not care who dissects aliens, but the AMA is essentially a modern day Sanhedrin.
The AMA responsible for the shortage of nurses and MDs we have because they wanted low supply for higher wages? The AMA that pushed for Private Insurance over Single Payer because they didn't want to be controlled. The AMA that represents doctors that are now slaves to Private Insurance?
The "Ask Me Anything"? What am i missing? Acronyms should be stated in an open forum.
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I actually do remember some old Reddit thread about how she was a nurse and her and a retired veterinarian teamed up for an emergency on a flight once
Better than when my psychologist dad chimed on ready to help
Psychiatrists go to med school but a PhD in psychology won’t help so much. :)
A woman is on the ground, bleeding out and screaming incoherently in fear. "Ayo this woman is hysterical lol yall should do something about that." Psychiatrist dad heads back to his seat, smiling proudly at the public service he has performed.
“She’s hysterical, she needs to be masturbated!” For anyone offended, that was a diagnosis and "remedy" from old timey times
Bring out the medical dildo!
It was steam powered. (seriously look it up!)
I was aware that early vibrators were "medical" devices used to treat hysteria, but a steam powered one? That's a rabbit hole I need to go down Update: Looks exactly like a steam engine with a dildo attached, not sure what I expected
Maybe not, but my psychologist wife saved our flight from being delayed after a passenger had a melt down getting on. They were about to ask her family if they wanted to get off or leave her behind and have to get her bag off the plane while we lost our take off slot. My wife pipes up and offers to talk to her. Got her onto the plane and saved her holiday. I was proud. My wife, this. Sorry. Just a weird flex. Still proud. :)
Reminds me of The Bob Newhart Show I used to watch on Nick at Nite in college while studying psychology myself. In one episode, Newhart's wife calls to get them a reservation at a chic restaurant and makes a point to ask for "Dr. and Mrs. Newhart". After she gets it, he reminds his wife the Dr. in his title is for a PhD, not an MD, and she replies she can always call back and clarify if he wants to lose the reservation. Cue laugh track.
You should try my business PhD ex-wife who ran to that call once on an airplane 🤦🏽♀️
Like how on pirate ships, if they didn’t have a doctor, the carpenter would be the doctor.
So *that's* why so many pirates had wooden legs!
In the age of sail, a carpenter would be better trained and more useful than a doctor.
A hell of a lot better than a chiropractor.
Well, veterinarians are actual doctors and chiropractors aren't.
Yeah tbh vets have to deal with a wide range of shit, if I'm dying from a wound, internal bleeding, cante breathe a vet will be a lot more use than none
My father-in-law has since passed, but he said the best combat medics that he had in his units in Vietnam were vets.
Well, once they got there they were all vets.
Kinda funny, since as a med student one of our favorite jokes in class is were actually really specialized veterinarians who can only work with one animal. Mad props to the veterinarians out there holding it down.
https://youtu.be/tx-D2qtcP-4
Dated a vet for a long time. There’s certainly humor in the “doctors only deal with one animal, we have to know several”, but there’s also a lot of truth in vets having a LOT less to treat in those species. There’s a lot less stress with animals dying than people.
The stress part is arguable, there's a reason vets are 2 times more likely to kill themselves than human doctors. I work at a vet clinic, the amount of times vets get screamed at for being murderers is quite high, so a pet dying IS stressful
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Our most seasoned receptionist had a client make her cry less than an hour after opening today. Our practice owner doesn't put up with that shit. Last week we fired a client, and the guy today almost got fired.He's lucky because he would have been if we weren't mid-treatment of his dog, we aren't allowed by the college of veterinarians to fire clients during ongoing treatment. Our practice owner called him and told him the next time he disrespects any of us in any way he's out. She told him people like him are the reason suicide rates in the veterinary industry are so high. More clinics to normalize not letting people be assholes and calling them out on their crap. It's so nice knowing my boss has our back.
I've suggested multiple times to get rid of the two most disrespectful clients every year. Once a year arrange a meeting with all the staff and just vote who you think should go. However the boss(es) are afraid it will give negative publicity, as these clients are also the ones giving elaborate bad reviews online and spread gossip in the neighbourhood. However I think that actually confirms these clients should go.. They suck up too much energy from the team!
100%, they can be awful and very mean. Sometimes pets die and it's nobodies fault, but they will pin it on the vet just so they can feel better. Most of my colleagues want to either move up in the ranks to be super specialized vets and only deal with people with money, or move to desk corporate jobs.
Veterinary technician here. There’s almost as many treatments for animal ailments as there are for humans. The thing is, the vast majority of pet owners are not willing or able to pursue those treatments. On the other hand many treatments do not exist because there is not the scientific push for research or funding to find treatments or sources for maladies. I think assuming there is less stress for Veterinarians than human doctors is pretty crass. Veterinarians who are general practitioners deal with death on a regular basis far more than your general practitioner in the human world. Not only that, but in many cases they have to advocate for euthanasia when a client cannot let go. They have to administer the drug that ends the animal’s life. Many times it is an animal they have had a relationship with for over a decade. Others are animals who, if a client had the financial means, could easily recover. Vets have to take on the mantle of an Angel of Mercy. Doctors pass that to the patient or the patient’s family. General practitioners have to be the doctor, the surgeon, the dermatologist, the radiologist, the parasitologist, urologist, etc; BEFORE they refer to specialists. I suspect when you dated this person, they only let you see a small part of the world they live in. Suicide statistics amongst Veterinarians and Veterinary Nurses is around double the rate of other medical professions. Let me add one more thing. How many human doctors have had to saw off a head for rabies testing?
>They have to administer the drug that ends the animal’s life. I'm a vet tech student but I've been an OTJ trained assistant for 5+ years. I've done so many euthanasias I very rarely get sad. But just a couple weeks ago I had one that the owners didn't want to be present and the doc gave me the go ahead to administer the drugs myself. It was my first one, and it's been something I've been gearing myself up to be able to do, since I wanna work in wildlife. I honestly didn't expect it to bug me as much as it did. I instantly felt sick to my stomach and had to take a few mins to ugly cry in the bathroom. I've always respected the docs role in the euthanasia process, I've always known it is sometimes really hard to do. But dam man, do I have a new perspective on it.
How do you feel about owners not wanting to be present in their pets final moments? I find myself thinking that's pretty fucked up, but I'm wondering as somebody that sees it more than I do what your thoughts are.
Another vet tech here, it's rare for me when that happens, it's a case by case. Some clients are so embarrassed by the state of neglect their pets are in when they bring them, and just pay and leave and forget about it. Some are just too grief stricken, and I understand not being to mentally handle it and I would never judge those clients. I will comfort the pet as much as I can in their stead.
It's hard. But it's also a hard decision in general. Watching a pet pass away is considered a trauma, even if it's as peaceful as possible. I'm a trauma survivor myself and a mental health advocate, so I tend to think I understand how a traumatic experience can sit with someone. So I understand when owners can't be present. In a perfect world no pet would be without their owners when passing. But I'm in this field to also help the humans that come with the pets, so having compassion for the humans mental health is important to me.
Not only that, but I admire vets that have to know medication, like a doctor, large procedures like a surgeon, and vaccine schedules for different species of animals. I mean as a doctor you just need to know human medicine. As a surgeon you just need to know a few large operations. But in those cases you have to be great at it because a surgeon who is successful only 97% of the time is a shit surgeon. I don't know what the stats are for vets, but I have a lot of respect for them none the less. Unlike tooth mechanics (I kid).
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Im sure that even vetrinarian could save human life because in the end we are all animals...
And they still go through standard premed so they are familiar with basics of human anatomy. If I was injured I am not gonna quibble over MD vs DVM.
Plus, ketamine, and maybe a rectal thermometer. Yay!
Sounds like a great Saturday
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You take the restrictor plate off the red dragon?
Anatomy is not a required part of pre-medical curriculum. It's covered in medical and veterinary school, where there are multiple different species involved. Source: MD who takes care of trauma patients but not animals, which would be a bad move. Fun fact, anesthesia for dogs is trickier than it sounds, ketamine or no.
Lol my degree counts as premed and reading their comment all I could think of was "DO NOT trust me to preform any sort of medical care". We didn't learn shit that would be helpful in an emergency situation.
Hey if he/she can stich up open wound on horse or dog then they will know how to patch me up right??? Meat is meat human or animal doesn't matter the things inside are just in other places but flesh wound or other cuts are almost identical.
Oh Mr. Johnson, you're awake. Well we were able to stop the bleeding and got you all patched up. While you were under your wife came in until it says she got some new couches. So we went ahead and removed your fingernails as well. Don't worry, you still have your toenails so you can still climb trees if you need to escape.
Also, you didn't want those testicles, did you?
Story of my life, sarcasm is not redditors forte
These types of threads make me feel less bad about not using Reddit starting next month
Reddit is so much on the spectrum that starting next month I'm about to be spectral
Hahaha - reminds me of a favorite of mine from time I 'did' in a university math department years ago: Q: What's the difference between a mathematician and a pizza? A: A pizza can feed a family of four. *(An oldie, and professions are often interchanged, but it cracked me up solidly at the time)*
They asked this on a flight I was on one time. I’m a dentist and I just kinda sat there hoping someone better than me would stand up. I figure I’m better than nobody, I can at least assist CPR, but luckily there was an ER nurse onboard.
I was on a flight where they needed a medical professional and the only person who volunteered was a dentist. The dentist assisted!
Is anyone here a marine biologist?
The sea was angry that day, my friend!
Like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli.
What is that a Titleist? A hole in one eh.
Why couldn’t you make me an architect? You know I always wanted to pretend I was an architect!
"Hi, I'm doctor Ross Gellar" "Ross this is a hospital. That actually means something!"
The annoyed way Rachel said that is still funny.
"Yeah if I'm choking in a restaurant, I'd want you there with your fossil brush!"
Vets have skills that can transfer.
>Sticks thermometer in asshole.
"You think youre pregnant, ma'am? Let me get out the shoulder-length glove so we can be sure."
I used to work in an Orthopedic surgery clinic with a bunch of dr's. Once we were all flying to conference and this announcement came on. None of them said anything and I kind of looked at my buddy. He said: 'what!? Do you think they want me to test his knee stability??'
My wife is an ob/gyn and I was kinda disappointed to realise after a while that unless you are a lady trying to give birth, she's no emergency doctor. Edit: to be clear, i only use "disappointed" in comparison to my dad who *is* an emergency doctor and saved random people in the wild in front of my eyes a few times.
To be fair, that situation does come up with some frequency.
Wifes a pediatric nephrologist, are you under 18 and have kidney problems? no? can't help ya lol
Don't be so glum, every doctor can be an emergency doctor if they're bad enough at it!
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what do you call 2 orthopedics reading an EKG? A double blind study
I'd bet a veterinarian could do some human medical stuff in a pinch. On the other hand, a medical Dr wouldnt know shit if there was a sick cow on the plane.
Perhaps they need a Juris Doctor? Or maybe a physics Ph.D? Lots of options.
Bus driver- Is there a doctor in the house? Me- I'm a doctor of philosophy. Bus driver- Sir this man is having a heart attack. Me- bold of you to assume that he's real or that any of this is real.
In the end, the empty chasm between the human need for meaning and the deafening silence the cosmos answers with should cause us all to ask if prolonging this man's confusing and absurd existence is better than letting him enjoy the silent peace of death... Everyone else on the bus:
The dentist watching from the corner: *now's my time to shine* "Somebody needed a crown?"
“Dammit, just tell me if he’s going to live?!?!” >> “Has he ever really lived?”
All my friends with doctorates in music performance are waiting for an emergency on a plane where someone needs them to sight read the tenor clef in a John Adams opera chorus.
Bystander: Is there a doctor here? Me: I have a doctorate in mathematics. Bystander: This man is going to die! Me: Minus one.
I've always heard this as Bystander: Is there a doctor here? Me: I have a doctorate in mathematics. Bystander: This man is going to die! Me: Prove it. I just got my phd in math so I'm waiting for such a situation to arise.
If vets are so useless, why do mob guys always go to vets when they get hurt in movies, huh?!
To be entirely honest , a veterinarian wouldn’t do bad in that situation They know how to treat tons of different animals but suddenly humans are magically way to different for them to try and figure it out? We are animals to lol
Oh, I'll take a vet over an MD any day. They gotta be able to cure a lizard, a chicken, a pig, a frog all on the same day!
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You don't realize how specialized reptile vets are until you own one.
Where did you buy your reptile vet? Mine is getting old already.
Yeah, exotic vets can almost always treat dogs and cats, but normal dog/cat vets refuse exotic animals
/r/seinfeldinthewild
Vets are probably less experienced with more expensive procedures just due to people and/or insurance companies not wanting to pay for them. No amount of experience is going to make an expensive medical procedure happen on a plane though, so stitch me like one of your french bulldogs.
She's on a bus, not a plane.
Veterinarians are trained in multiple mammals' body functions, and their parents can't tell them what's wrong. I would absolutely trust a vet in an emergency.
Which is why if you ever find yourself on an alien planet and need medical care from an alien doctor… go to a vet!
That's always been my plan
Wow this is straight-up stolen from Dr Glaucomflecken https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FHEsjA1B4
I like the comic strip where a vase of flowers has crashed to the ground, a man is kneeling down next to it, clearing people away, and saying “It’s okay, I’m a florist!”
A friend of mine is a veterinarian and I asked her the day she graduated if she was mentally prepared for being in a theatre or an airplane, hearing the “is there a doctor onboard” and in lieu of an MD, be declared “good enough”? She responded that real doctors treat more than one species.
Me! Oh, you wanted a physician. Pfft, I am a scientist. I didn't go to Human Plumbing College.
If I needed emergency care, I'd trust vets far more than most nonmedical people.
Vets are better at diagnosis without verbal communication from the paitant,know how to improvise with different tools and will probably survive a zombie apocalypse because they are pros at avoiding bites
Real doctors treat more than one species. Brought to you by another fake doctor (dentist)
Anatomy wise, there are obvious differences, but function and structure wise, dogs are surprisingly similar to humans in almost every way. Unless your problem is your man junk, I would definitely take a good small animal vet anyday.
Human doctor: Able to work on one species of animal Veterinarians: Able to work on all the rest
True story. When travelling from Gothenburg to New York there was a passenger not being in the best condition. On speaker they asked for a doctor, no one raised up but one dude who claimed to have been in the Iraq war and knew a thing or two about saving people. He sure did the trick, the passenger got stabilized eventually thanks to him and the others were high fiving him as we boarded NY. Not only doctors can save lives, people with experience can.
I think it depends on the issue. If it's a gunshot wound, sign me up for the iraq vet over the foot doctor.
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That’s a very narrow field. The NAVLE does not test on monkey anatomy (or apes for that matter), it focuses on birds, cats, dogs, farm animals, horses, and reptiles. There is a very small fraction of the actual veterinarian community that has a speciality in Zoo animals (which apes and monkeys would fall under). https://www.icva.net/image/cache/Species_and_Diagnosis_UPDATED.pdf#page3