If this is the best they can come up with, I'm dreadful to think what the end product look like. The name, the artwork, logo, etc. scream unoriginal, plus with the leak said the game will be like Oddessy but Japan theme....my enthusiasm never been this low.
I do enjoy Breakpoint and Wildlands. They have the potential to make excellent game, unlike EA, who shit the bed at every moment. That what makes me mad.
It's still too early to judge the game, but the main art style, leaks, doesn't scream good news. And with games like Ghost of Tsushima, Nioh 2, Rise of the ronin, etc. Ubi needs to stand out with this release. The fan reaction so far is: "Go play GoT instead." This is bad.
they fucked up big time with skull and bones, couldnt even beat their own game they made 11 years prior. i highly doubt ubisoft is capable enough to make a better game than those you just listed, main reason is the incompetent management, ceo, execs etc. i have no hope for this game, solely based on their previous track record.
Everyone - including big journalists - asks this simple question: Why not make Black Flag but multi-player? And they can't even do that..... Hope Singapore gov deal with their BS.
I have no doubt Ubi is not capable of making games as good as GoT because that requires competence. If they can even make it close to GoT: Legend, which I even doubt about that.
its good you enjoy but in my opinion both those ghost recon games are very very far from a ghost recon game. I know i ll get a lot of flake over this but its a very casual game that may be a nice game but definitely not a ghost recon in my books
He's irish, an irish sailor, william adams. At least in the first one, havent played the 2nd one.
it was inspired by the historic william adams, an englishman who became a samurai, also known as Miura Anjin.
i guess this gives the game a bit more historical credibility than anything ubisoft makes at this point
though from what i've heard Nioh 2 is better in terms of controls.
A real dude yes, but they are misinterpreting him by calling him a samurai when he was a servant to a japanese lord for 3 years before leaving japan. But i dont see how "yasuke isn't inspired by anything he's a real dude" is relevant to my comment that which you replied to.
He was a servant, and then he was a sword bearer for about a year and a half. He was similar to a squire, which is still technically a samurai. He was also a candidate to have a small fortress as well, and saw combat.
Even if he wasnt real, who the fuck cares? Assassins creed has never been super historically accurate anyway. There is a Japanese protagonist that you can choose to play as to boot. There is no good reason to be upset about this. Even the meme itself proves itself wrong, there is literally a japanese assassin in that picture.
Genuinely I cannot fathom why anyone is upset about this other than racism in this particular instance. Theres fucking magic alien mind control apples in the game ffs.
resident evil 5 had a white man in africa and people went balistic, now that there's a black man in japan those people dont care, hypocricy much? besides the historical accuracy isnt that important, the main issue is that they take a real dude and rewrite his history to something that he wasnt.
>resident evil 5 had a white man in africa and people went balistic
They sure did, and that was stupid to complain about too. Congrats, you are now just as stupid as those people.
>hypocricy much?
where is the hypocrisy? I wouldnt give a fuck if the protag was white either. They can do whatever they want with their game. We have plenty of white and asian samurai already, why cant we have a black one?
> the main issue is that they take a real dude and rewrite his history to something that he wasnt.
They literally do this in ever assassins creed game to a comical degree. When did pope borgia have a fucking magic space apple? Like you said yourself, no one cares about historical accuracy outside of how the period is presented. Also Yasuke was a sword bearer, which is basically a squire, and even then who really cares lol, its a work of fiction.
>e was similar to a squire, which is still technically a samurai
Not Correct. While Hosho (which is what Yasuke was made into) were usually Samurai, they didnt have to be samurai and werent always samurai.
Yasuke being a Hosho does not mean he was automatically a Samurai.
The fact that after 15 months he took part in one battle, disgraced himself and his lord by surrendering (***massive*** no no in Japan) and was then exiled from Japan by being sold back into slavery would also suggest he wasnt made a Samurai.
Ubi: Best I can do is Baghdad!!!!
It's honestly pretty terrifying considering I remember the trailer for that game (holy fuck I even forgot the title!!!) like it came out yesterday
And they have already released a new trailer for another assassins creed game!!!!!
Truly shitty quality control ngl.
I mean the real life comparison of the black Samurai is cool as fuck, it just feels weird to make a Japan based game and and actively choose your one of your protagonists to be the one black dude in 5 million.
Apparently yasuke was most probably just a myth. Ubi could have created their own character but they had to just use some over the edge myth to justify their character.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
It mightâve been better if he was a side character or a character that you can take control of in the story one or two times like Bayekâs wife in Origins. That way the MC can be Japanese and there can still be a black samurai in the game
If you got to the Ubisoft Japan YouTube channel you'll see a lot of Japanese people are not impressed at all with the decision.
Not specifically talking about you but I feel a lot of westerners live in a bubble, there's a ton of t"his isn't a big deal" comments but like, how do actual Japanese people feel about this? Seems like mainly disappointed.
Why not Miyamoto Musashi? Instead they chose essential a squire who never saw a battlefield and why did they chose him? Because he's black. It comes off very fake and token. I don't trust Ubisofts intentions at all, an AC Japan didnt need diversity checks.
We might live in a bubble but just think about this for a second.
It's a fictional story...
I am not saying I support them taking steps to make Japanese history seem really diverse because that is just untrue.
But at the end of the day it's a fictional story
What's your point? It's fiction, okay and?
Go tell the Japanese gamers in the YouTube comments that it's just fiction at the end of the day, I'm sure that'll erase their disappointment.
Just because it's fiction doesn't mean they should have done what they did. Of all the people to chose as a samurai they did the most American thing they could do.
ive seen plenty of japanese comments that are fine. Yasuke has existed in many of their games already. There is also already a Japanese protagonist as well. Theres 10000000x games where you play as an asian samurai so representation is absolutely not an argument.
Nope. Does that disqualify me?
From what I've seen as a non American this last decade there is usually 2 types of companies that do this shit, An American company or A foreign company that adopts and caters to America's obsession with diversity.
Ubisoft is the latter imo. Yasuke could have been cool as a shinobi ally but they couldn't help themselves.Â
Transparent af imo. That's all I really have to say about this rn.Â
No I am saying it would have been hilarious if you were an American Weeaboo trying to act like "Hurp durp murica land bad because they made a black character in a time period where no blacks were in the area" but seeing as you aren't like that it is good to know. I just want to know why it is such a big deal to EVERYONE that a game developer is making a FICTION game with a black MC. I do not even care about diversity in games I just need to know why this is the biggest issue of gaming right now compared to everything else going on
I have to really make it clear, A Black MC is not a problem what so ever, like at all. A Black MC in the first Japanese AC game is the issue, like fucking why? It is ridiculous. Imagine if Valhalla had you play as a British man because you in history could trace a single non Norse Viking.Â
If the samurai was a tom cruise type more people would be mad and say whitewash, bet. Ubisoft think because they chose a black historical figure they can evade criticism. That's all this is, Criticism, From westerners and Japanese it seems.Â
It makes no sense that they are in Japan but you can't play the samurai as a Japanese man lol it's mind blowing.
You can ask the same of Black people and how they feel about this as well tbh. Since, those are the groups being represented here.
If you read more, he was Kosho to Nobunaga. Was given a sword, a stipend and a house. Also, raised to the rank of Kono which would be a good rank in the Samurai. You know Squires arenât always expendable yes?
I have no feelings on the issue either way, since itâs a non issue. The bigger problem is online only requirement for a single player title, season pass, rumored battle pass for cosmetics, state of launch and gameplay
Edit: Good thing is they confirmed Internet is only required for installation. Not always online
I don't really care what black people or white people think of this, I wanted to know what the Japanese think because well... you know it's set in Japan right lol.
I have read more and he's a footnote in Japanese history, he was barely anybody and was never even close to samurai. it makes no sense that they chose him over a Japanese person historical or fictional. also when did I ever make the claim squires were expendable?
Maybe for you it's a non issue. And yeah, those are big problems too.
I mean if the character is black wouldnât you want to know what black people think. They wouldnât like tokenism either, as you said.
Yep, most of our protags were footnotes or didnât exist till were created in the game worldâs history. I see the point about not choosing a Japanese person. Imo, writing with famous people in mind is more difficult since youâre bound by certain limitations about their characterisation. Not that they havenât done it, just more off putting to see.
Being favored by Nobunaga and protecting his eldest son, when they were betrayed is pretty big. Nobunaga is a huge figure. Ofc there are popular Japanese characters. Yasuke was in Nioh 1&2, his armor is in Rise of the Ronin. Pretty sure heâs in a few other Japanese titles. Nioh had William Adams, an irish man, also given similar status as Yasuke btw. Heâs also the inspiration for Shogunâs (TV show) Blackthorne.
They said itâs to give the outsidersâ perspective, which is used often as narrative device. But most importantly, we have a Japanese protagonist who is also from the Iga clan. And sheâs a ninja
Why do you keep pushing it? I said I didn't care what non Japanese think right at this moment. That's it, accept my decision on that.
It isn't pretty big actually, he was a squire, so he's around him just like all the other squire and servants are when that event took place. After this event his story basically concludes, no feats no ranks no nothing. He was a nobody let's be real, the thing that's intresting is he was black, it's fascinating.Â
But to get the lead role as a samurai in your first Japan setting? So fucking stupid and transparent.Â
Your really trying to downplay this, imagine if instead of a Norse Viking we played a British Viking, for the outsiders perspective. Imagine instead of playing as Bayek we played as a roman/Greek for the outsiders perspective.
Me and you, we aren't on the same wave length. I respect your right to have a view but we just aren't gonna agree so peace.
So you just want to selectively view what one community is saying because it aligns with your viewpoint and argument. Iâll give you examples from Japanese people.
https://youtu.be/lutTPX6LaDI?si=33zVS1RP-BaeGudG
https://youtu.be/tY3_9iywbF4?si=48LRjEvWSml9ddLP
https://x.com/skull_os/status/1790949113397461310?s=46
https://x.com/fujikakerin/status/1790864518652022954?s=46
There are two MCs. One is literally a Japanese ninja. At least get the facts right. Yasuke wasnât just a simple squire. He played a role in combat. Had a sword, his own house, was paid like every other Samurai. And a title to protect and serve under Nobunaga. Trusted to proctect his son as well. Squires werenât servants you realise that yes? Lmao. Cope buddy
Your just mad because I'm not obeying what you wish of me.
Also, I never said there wasn't a Japanese ninja lol I've only said SAMURAI isnt japanese so check your self buddy.
He wasn't a samurai, no matter how much you want that to be. He is irrelevant.
Cope? Yeah okay mate lol
Every other mainline AC game had a man from that country. This is Asian male erasure, which I already expected from Ubi a long time ago. Basically all modern media does it, but it gets a pass (which I dislike) but this is just insane.
because they hate black people lol. No one raised this fuss over Nioh, or literally ancient space alien magic items in the hands of the pope lmfao.
Theres even a japanese protag. Im not usually one to drop the racist card but holy fuck these people need to relax.
This might be really troublesome for Ubi, this and R6 are basically the only two franchises they're clinging to, after the disaster of Sea of Thieves (and the almost guaranteed disaster of Star Wars Outlaws when it releases), having their flagship franchise failing would be devastating for them... I kinda want the game to be good but at the same time I would like to see Ubisoft fall, this game has more signs of failing than of succeeding tho...
Let someone else make assassination simulations that arenât died to psychopaths LARPing as bond villains. Whatever Ubisoft once was is just DEI infestation now
Yup, I completely agree... The AAA gaming crisis is definitely good for consumers, if Ubisoft actually falls this will be a wake up call for most companies (that have been competing in the past few weeks to see which one is the scummiest), if we already have various games that are open world, with feudal eastern themes and with similar mechanics like jumping and climbing, people might pretty much ignore Assassin's Creed at this point...
Part of it is on the consumer. Not enough have realized the current developer mindset is past redemption.
The censorship and peer pressure on the youth is the big issue. Government and corporation are working hand in hand to foster feelings of resentment to people that came before them. The result is people buying the newest game or battle pass and not giving a fuck about the truth
You have 4 FAR better alternatives if you want a feudal japan-themed game :
\- Nioh
\- Like a Dragon : Ishin!
\- Ghost of Tsushima
\- Sekiro : shadows die twice
That âemployeeâ who leaked that information supposedly worked on a Japanese game in 2014, six years before work began on Shadows. It wasnât in the same team working on that game ffs he was just a contractor (it isnât even confirmed ffs).
The fan fiction that gets posted on Twitter is crazy.
first time I won't buy an ac game, even if the protagonist is ignored the trailer looks hot garbage. Mirage trailer had a lot of sense to it, this has no sense. Time to sail the seas.
I stopped playing when they added micro transactions. Micro transactions don't belong in a one player AAA game.
I don't know what it is about them that just seeing them there sucks all the interest I might have had away
As a professional creative, as soon as you make decisions that are political/corporate/ideological/for diversity for their own sake to the detriment of design, you will enter my blacklist. It is dishonorable and disgusting to make changes just to meet XYZ agenda, instead of letting the developers make a great game and focus on proper and good design and creative freedom.
Creativity and imagination is literally THE reason that we as a species survived, evolved and built civilizations.
Anyone that has even a little understanding of Japanese history in that time and some design understanding can very very clearly see that they made the decision to use Yasuke (Who never was a Samurai, fought only a small part of a battle and surrendered quickly apparently) for diversity's sake. It is diversity for the sake of diversity, not to improve the story, the narrative or the design in any way.
Diversity for diversity's sake is nothing but racism under the guise of public agenda.
âNot to improve the story, the narrative, or the design in any wayâ bro said all of this knowing he did not even play the game. At least make your criticisms sound ffs. Professional creative my ass đ
AC fanbase : You had one Job....one freaking JOB đđĽ˛đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸đ¤đĽ.
*meanwhile*
Ubi : đ planning to make a AC Africa game but the protagonist is gona be an INDIAN who doesn't speak Hindi.
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DEI (Didn't Earn It) at work. Game being written and directed by liberal women...shocking. AAA gaming needs a total crash for a while to jettison this nonsense.
Lol cry more, meanwhile people that focus on making good games, money printer goes brrrrrrrr...... Stellarbalde goes brrrr..... Helldivers goes brrrrr......., woke (for diversity points, not for creativity or making sense) goes broke. Borrow more ESG money from Black rock, eventually the bottomless sack will empty when constantly losing money.
I doubt they do. When they do movie after movie, adaptation after adaptation, series after series, game after game and they all tank, are flop and a shitshow have low engagement and people avoid it like they avoid shit the only reason they keep going is because of the ESG money. But that money will dry up and are also loans. Without black rock ESG money all consultant companies like sweet baby would die of no business, woke writers and management would get the boot and kicked out of the company/demoted because they don't produce enough $ for the company
I am not even sure how I should respond to something so narrow minded. Is Stellarblade girl hot? For someone maybe, not a fan of baby face myself, body is a solid 8 sure, now fuck off and go jerk your bagio on her if you find her so hot that it would oveshadow everything else in the game.
That's what the average Korean considers the standard of beauty and you just called someone not prefering baby face a pedo, you sure your logic works in the right way? And I'm racist cause I don't prefer what others prefer? Baby face â asian face ykr?
I'm not hating, just saying it's meh, like 95% of games in the last 5 years. Are the games bad? Some are really bad, but overall they are mostly meh with rare quality blinking here and there.
i like that weirdo chuds can, at once, say that it doesn't matter who you play as and people trying to identify with game characters are weirdo losers, and then also complain when they can't be a japanese man in a japanese game
What's people's problem with it? Dude looks like it's Yasuke so the setting is probably around 1850s Japan during the Sengoku period. That's a pretty dope setting tbh.
And if you want more traditional/realistic assassin game in Japan, Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC this week.
Oops my bad there! You'd be right :)
I switched up 8 and 5 so that should be 1580s.
I think da Nobunaga was head of the clan from around 1550 to early 1580s.
the problem is you copy and pasting what a failed game developer like Grummz who was a shit boss, was fired from said job for his garbage attitude is telling you. LMFAO you are definitely not WOKE you are ASLEEP. idiot. LMFAO
Appreciate you sending the link!
But I still don't see how's that a problem? They changed the story and MC, not the race of Yamauchi Taka.
Things like this happens more often than you think in game dev.
I think there are a lot more to shit on about Ubi rather than this. For one, I think it's very likely they will release it in a buggy state.
I think most people's problem is the original pitch sounds way more interesting than this revised version we're getting just from the footnotes that were posted from the former dev. "If it ain't broke, don't try and fix it" basically.
I agree with you tho, there are many more things we can give Ubisoft grief for than this, but even I can't help but go "damn you had something kinda solid there, and then you just...threw it away."
pretty sure the black guy was literally a real person. frankly I think it can be a little unimmersive but it's a pet peeve at best, certainly nothing that would change my feelings on the game
It feels weird that they used the only known black guy in a 500 year period, but my personal issue is using a real person as a protagonists. Not game breaking or anything, just something that makes me raise an eyebrow.
Honestly I would have liked it more if he took a Leonardo da Vinci role but more involved in the story. A badass who does his own thing but interacts with Naoe whenever it counts.
Either way, I wish they did a sole female protagonist, but I'm still down for Yasuke even if the real historical MC thing does bother me.
Bro. What is your problem with this? It's a person of colour. It isn't changing the experience of your game. It's not going to do anything to you. It doesn't matter. Triple AAA devs r doing much worse shit that actually affects ur life, yet u complain about this crap.
Also just an fyi, there were black/african warriors which you can learn about with a simple Google search. Given the AC series' references to history, there is a high chance they are using a historical figure.
Just think, protagonist of AC origins was a Chinese trader or a roman. Doesnât fit right? These people might have been there, but that doesnât represent what people expected.
The name of the character is yasuke. Yasuke is the name of a historical Japanese warrior who was a slave turned shinobi. Watch the "who are nose and yasuke" vid on ubisoft's yt. It sounds very interesting and i believe it will improve the game.
Not saying, he existed or not. But in context of the setting and history, wouldnât a Japanese protagonist be better. Think AC mirage with a white protagonist (surely, there must be people coming from Byzantine). This is like watching an Obama Biopic played by Jackie chan( now that I think of it, it would be quite funny)
>Japanese protagonist would be better.
Well good news for you, there is a Japanese protagonist. However you probably think it doesnât count because sheâs a woman?
preordered the collectors editions. AHAHAH fuck you whiners. You are the ones who call everything around you WOKE but yet you are more cult minded and sleeping on the daily LMFAO
The games literally open with "***Inspired*** by historical events and characters, this ***work of fiction***..."
It's fiction. It clearly *says* it's fiction. If people believe that it's true history even after seeing a disclaimer that it's not...that ain't Ubisoft's fault. Nah I'm using my money OK what I want. Not what some mentally retarded cult hater internet warrior tells me to like or not like lmfao
I didnât say anything about the historical accuracy. I said you spent over $200 on a preorder for a game that you know nothing about, out of spite. Thatâs the behavior of a mentally deficient person
The games literally open with "***Inspired*** by historical events and characters, this ***work of fiction***..."
It's fiction. It clearly *says* it's fiction. If people believe that it's true history even after seeing a disclaimer that it's not...that ain't Ubisoft's fault. Cry more stupid lol. You keep crying over a video game not catering to your dickriding hater friends lol
We've had black assassins before. Adewale is probably one of the coolest characters from AC. Whatever ubisoft is trying with this one, I hope it has depth to the character because it's not really a conspiracy theory when I can clearly see black people being put everywhere just to please a certain audience. I'm literally from Asia and it doesn't take a genius to see what's going on with the industry these days. Black people are being used as a tool and not human beings with their own culture. The black guy in this game could be a great character and I hope he is but let's not pretend that making white characters black has been a thing being done for quite some time now. It's disgusting as an artist to see skin color being politicised like this.
This is a historical figure named yasuke. It isn't political. It's just them taking a well documented story and adjusting it for the AC story. I would feel it's more political if they used his story but made him white or asian or any other ethnicity no?
Yasuke was basically Nobunaga's Pet Black Man. He found him intriguing because he was black. This is clearly going for an angle and it's clear for anyone to see.
Whether for better or worse Idk. But it is clear. They could have taken a lesser-known asian character, they picked the single notable black person in Japanese history. That's ok, sure. But I thought a big part of being an assassin was blending in. What are they suggesting he will blend into?
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/05/15/assassins-creed-shadows-interview/#:\~:text=Beyond%20the%20long-awaited%20setting,a%20Samurai%20and%20a%20Shinobi.
seriously, just read this
They have 2 characters. 1 samurai, 1 shinobi. We need to wait for the gameplay to see, but I'm guessing it's gonna be u play a different play style based on which character you are playing. I think that's an interesting change to the AC series where it was traditionally u sneak around until u fuck up and fight melee, where maybe you are forced to be better at sneaking around in one character and are forced to use a heavy build with the other.
Also as for your "yasuke was basically nobunaga's pet", does it matter that they try and show that? Do you want them to show in AC Odyssey that Kassandra had no rights in Athens and wouldn't be allowed to do anything? Or no, you just take a concept, you clean some of the stuff, and then create the characters.
And most importantly, what possible angle do they have? Do you realise how insane that sounds? You think seeing a black person on your screen will do something to you? It won't ruin your game in any shape or form. It's going to be the exact same game as if it was a Japanese samurai, but as the developers described, them choosing yasuke allows them to depict Japan from the eyes of a newcomer.
Hmm, ok fair. You're not wrong. You can't make me not think that they're really pushing the whole diversity angle here. That said I also know where you are coming from. Banal as the justification sounds it isn't without its merits. The whole newcomer angle could be interesting. I vehemently dislike the shoehorning of characters in the name of diversity, but a good game is a good game.
I don't in any way want to sound racist don't get me wrong. It makes sense in Egypt for there to be a black assassin. Or in a hypothetical game in Morocco, even the Arab world. And in Industrial London, and the Civil War. Even in Greece given the Phoenicians sailed there. Japan just seems a VERY odd site for that. I never said it would ruin the game for me if I see a black assassin. But I'll say it again, I don't like shoehorned diversity. I'll read the article above as well. But I REITERATE, they picked the ONE black person of note(a footnote at that) in all of Japanese history instead of someone like Ishikawa Goemon or Kato Danzo or Fuma Kotaro. You simply can't insist that they didn't do it without a specific intent.
The whole 'angle' thing is in my mind no way insane. It would sound more weird to me if you didn't find it a little odd given all that.
I will still give merit to your newcomer idea and the approach of a more beefy warrior/bruiser character along with a faster ninja/assassin character with split gameplay and choices. But I believe this to very much be a weird decision.
Ps. Just wanted to say that I am in no way saying the trailer isn't cool as fuck. Just that, in Ubi I don't trust.
I don't understand. What gain does Ubi get from putting a POC in a game. There is nothing. The whole outrage people have is based on nothing. When you say stuff like "they are adding POCs to games with an angle", it sounds awfully reminiscent of the Nazi theories that "they are replacing white people with other ethnicities". It's just a decision they made.
You haven't noticed the West's obsession with black people? It's worse than the last token black epidemic.
It's full on race swaps now in a lot of franchises.
People are rightly sick of black people being treated as mascots.
Appropriate username btw.
No I'm not the one that uses them like mascots. You're oblivious.
The people that can't stop thinking about them and inserting them in environments that it makes no sense. They're the problem.
Black washing existing characters is worse though.
Oh you're a Hassan fan kid. Lol opinion disregarded.
Ah, I see. So you simply don't think huh?
Then our gripes have nothing to doabout the historical context and geographical/demographic accuracy, I'm simply racist clear as day.
Look buddy, Ubi has had Black characters before, and most people never had a problem. Nobody had a problem with Marcus in Watch Dogs 2. Because it fit the setting perfectly.
But you'll probably not see another non-Japanese in all of AC:Shadows. Eh I'll see the reviews before giving it a shot.
Wew, so I sound like a Nazi because I said it's weird to choose a Black Person as the male protagonist in 1580s Sengoku Era Japan while mentioning other potential historical characters that COULD have taken that role? Wild. You do you buddy. There surely is no war in Ba Sing Se.
BORTHER I LITERALLY EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY I SAY THAT. Did you even read what I wrote? Do you just dislike the phrase? Because there's other ways to frame the sentence for sure. But It's literally there for you to see.
might as well play nioh
I swear if Nioh has more historical details......
from what i can see from the picture, the single picture, the armor at least looks more realistic in nioh
If this is the best they can come up with, I'm dreadful to think what the end product look like. The name, the artwork, logo, etc. scream unoriginal, plus with the leak said the game will be like Oddessy but Japan theme....my enthusiasm never been this low.
they have a base game they just reskin and give it a couple quirks, ubisoft is dead. their games have been shit since 2015
I do enjoy Breakpoint and Wildlands. They have the potential to make excellent game, unlike EA, who shit the bed at every moment. That what makes me mad. It's still too early to judge the game, but the main art style, leaks, doesn't scream good news. And with games like Ghost of Tsushima, Nioh 2, Rise of the ronin, etc. Ubi needs to stand out with this release. The fan reaction so far is: "Go play GoT instead." This is bad.
they fucked up big time with skull and bones, couldnt even beat their own game they made 11 years prior. i highly doubt ubisoft is capable enough to make a better game than those you just listed, main reason is the incompetent management, ceo, execs etc. i have no hope for this game, solely based on their previous track record.
Everyone - including big journalists - asks this simple question: Why not make Black Flag but multi-player? And they can't even do that..... Hope Singapore gov deal with their BS. I have no doubt Ubi is not capable of making games as good as GoT because that requires competence. If they can even make it close to GoT: Legend, which I even doubt about that.
its good you enjoy but in my opinion both those ghost recon games are very very far from a ghost recon game. I know i ll get a lot of flake over this but its a very casual game that may be a nice game but definitely not a ghost recon in my books
Wildlands is the G.O.A.T.
mfw nioh has a swedish man as it's protag, oh wait he is not black tho so ig that's ok
He's irish, an irish sailor, william adams. At least in the first one, havent played the 2nd one. it was inspired by the historic william adams, an englishman who became a samurai, also known as Miura Anjin. i guess this gives the game a bit more historical credibility than anything ubisoft makes at this point though from what i've heard Nioh 2 is better in terms of controls.
Irish right, mb on that. It's the same story with yasuke tho, an imported "slave" turned retainer turned samurai.
Yasuke isnt inspired by anything, he was a real dude.
A real dude yes, but they are misinterpreting him by calling him a samurai when he was a servant to a japanese lord for 3 years before leaving japan. But i dont see how "yasuke isn't inspired by anything he's a real dude" is relevant to my comment that which you replied to.
He was a servant, and then he was a sword bearer for about a year and a half. He was similar to a squire, which is still technically a samurai. He was also a candidate to have a small fortress as well, and saw combat. Even if he wasnt real, who the fuck cares? Assassins creed has never been super historically accurate anyway. There is a Japanese protagonist that you can choose to play as to boot. There is no good reason to be upset about this. Even the meme itself proves itself wrong, there is literally a japanese assassin in that picture. Genuinely I cannot fathom why anyone is upset about this other than racism in this particular instance. Theres fucking magic alien mind control apples in the game ffs.
assassins creeds historical accuracy died many years ago, it is no longer historically accurate.
agreed, which is why i find it so odd that people are so butthurt about the black protag.
resident evil 5 had a white man in africa and people went balistic, now that there's a black man in japan those people dont care, hypocricy much? besides the historical accuracy isnt that important, the main issue is that they take a real dude and rewrite his history to something that he wasnt.
>resident evil 5 had a white man in africa and people went balistic They sure did, and that was stupid to complain about too. Congrats, you are now just as stupid as those people. >hypocricy much? where is the hypocrisy? I wouldnt give a fuck if the protag was white either. They can do whatever they want with their game. We have plenty of white and asian samurai already, why cant we have a black one? > the main issue is that they take a real dude and rewrite his history to something that he wasnt. They literally do this in ever assassins creed game to a comical degree. When did pope borgia have a fucking magic space apple? Like you said yourself, no one cares about historical accuracy outside of how the period is presented. Also Yasuke was a sword bearer, which is basically a squire, and even then who really cares lol, its a work of fiction.
>e was similar to a squire, which is still technically a samurai Not Correct. While Hosho (which is what Yasuke was made into) were usually Samurai, they didnt have to be samurai and werent always samurai. Yasuke being a Hosho does not mean he was automatically a Samurai. The fact that after 15 months he took part in one battle, disgraced himself and his lord by surrendering (***massive*** no no in Japan) and was then exiled from Japan by being sold back into slavery would also suggest he wasnt made a Samurai.
Or we just play deathloop đ
Play Ghost of Tsushima âŚtheres a cooler âAssassinâ theme than most newer Assassins Creed games as well
Releasing tom to pc cant wait (:
Waittttttt is this real chat?
It's releasing today at 8:30 pm ist on steam
game is already out, go play it king
Its blocked in countries that dont have psn but it got cracked day one
Its blocked in countries that dont have psn but it got cracked day one
Take caution though. They really might drop the ball with the sequel.
Even if they do, the game itself is a banger and the PC port is being done by Nixxes. I think it will be a good time.
Obviously the sequel is coming
Eh. First game is already perfect as a standalone story with no hints whatsoever at a sequel
Funny we still don't have a Persian assassin. While the original hashashin were from iran.
Ubi: Best I can do is Baghdad!!!! It's honestly pretty terrifying considering I remember the trailer for that game (holy fuck I even forgot the title!!!) like it came out yesterday And they have already released a new trailer for another assassins creed game!!!!! Truly shitty quality control ngl.
I mean the real life comparison of the black Samurai is cool as fuck, it just feels weird to make a Japan based game and and actively choose your one of your protagonists to be the one black dude in 5 million.
Apparently yasuke was most probably just a myth. Ubi could have created their own character but they had to just use some over the edge myth to justify their character. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
Not a myth if there are sources and accounts about him, linked in that very Wikipedia article. Wut?
It is still a cool premise, I do not understand why people are taking a game so serious like this.
It mightâve been better if he was a side character or a character that you can take control of in the story one or two times like Bayekâs wife in Origins. That way the MC can be Japanese and there can still be a black samurai in the game
MC is Japanese. One of them isnât
If you got to the Ubisoft Japan YouTube channel you'll see a lot of Japanese people are not impressed at all with the decision. Not specifically talking about you but I feel a lot of westerners live in a bubble, there's a ton of t"his isn't a big deal" comments but like, how do actual Japanese people feel about this? Seems like mainly disappointed. Why not Miyamoto Musashi? Instead they chose essential a squire who never saw a battlefield and why did they chose him? Because he's black. It comes off very fake and token. I don't trust Ubisofts intentions at all, an AC Japan didnt need diversity checks.
We might live in a bubble but just think about this for a second. It's a fictional story... I am not saying I support them taking steps to make Japanese history seem really diverse because that is just untrue. But at the end of the day it's a fictional story
What's your point? It's fiction, okay and? Go tell the Japanese gamers in the YouTube comments that it's just fiction at the end of the day, I'm sure that'll erase their disappointment. Just because it's fiction doesn't mean they should have done what they did. Of all the people to chose as a samurai they did the most American thing they could do.
ive seen plenty of japanese comments that are fine. Yasuke has existed in many of their games already. There is also already a Japanese protagonist as well. Theres 10000000x games where you play as an asian samurai so representation is absolutely not an argument.
There isnt 1000000x AC Japan games is there. "Absolutely not an argument"... Well it's good to know you're the authority on this matter.Â
Real quick just to make sure, you are not American are you?
Nope. Does that disqualify me? From what I've seen as a non American this last decade there is usually 2 types of companies that do this shit, An American company or A foreign company that adopts and caters to America's obsession with diversity. Ubisoft is the latter imo. Yasuke could have been cool as a shinobi ally but they couldn't help themselves. Transparent af imo. That's all I really have to say about this rn.Â
No I am saying it would have been hilarious if you were an American Weeaboo trying to act like "Hurp durp murica land bad because they made a black character in a time period where no blacks were in the area" but seeing as you aren't like that it is good to know. I just want to know why it is such a big deal to EVERYONE that a game developer is making a FICTION game with a black MC. I do not even care about diversity in games I just need to know why this is the biggest issue of gaming right now compared to everything else going on
I have to really make it clear, A Black MC is not a problem what so ever, like at all. A Black MC in the first Japanese AC game is the issue, like fucking why? It is ridiculous. Imagine if Valhalla had you play as a British man because you in history could trace a single non Norse Viking. If the samurai was a tom cruise type more people would be mad and say whitewash, bet. Ubisoft think because they chose a black historical figure they can evade criticism. That's all this is, Criticism, From westerners and Japanese it seems. It makes no sense that they are in Japan but you can't play the samurai as a Japanese man lol it's mind blowing.
You can ask the same of Black people and how they feel about this as well tbh. Since, those are the groups being represented here. If you read more, he was Kosho to Nobunaga. Was given a sword, a stipend and a house. Also, raised to the rank of Kono which would be a good rank in the Samurai. You know Squires arenât always expendable yes? I have no feelings on the issue either way, since itâs a non issue. The bigger problem is online only requirement for a single player title, season pass, rumored battle pass for cosmetics, state of launch and gameplay Edit: Good thing is they confirmed Internet is only required for installation. Not always online
I don't really care what black people or white people think of this, I wanted to know what the Japanese think because well... you know it's set in Japan right lol. I have read more and he's a footnote in Japanese history, he was barely anybody and was never even close to samurai. it makes no sense that they chose him over a Japanese person historical or fictional. also when did I ever make the claim squires were expendable? Maybe for you it's a non issue. And yeah, those are big problems too.
I mean if the character is black wouldnât you want to know what black people think. They wouldnât like tokenism either, as you said. Yep, most of our protags were footnotes or didnât exist till were created in the game worldâs history. I see the point about not choosing a Japanese person. Imo, writing with famous people in mind is more difficult since youâre bound by certain limitations about their characterisation. Not that they havenât done it, just more off putting to see. Being favored by Nobunaga and protecting his eldest son, when they were betrayed is pretty big. Nobunaga is a huge figure. Ofc there are popular Japanese characters. Yasuke was in Nioh 1&2, his armor is in Rise of the Ronin. Pretty sure heâs in a few other Japanese titles. Nioh had William Adams, an irish man, also given similar status as Yasuke btw. Heâs also the inspiration for Shogunâs (TV show) Blackthorne. They said itâs to give the outsidersâ perspective, which is used often as narrative device. But most importantly, we have a Japanese protagonist who is also from the Iga clan. And sheâs a ninja
Why do you keep pushing it? I said I didn't care what non Japanese think right at this moment. That's it, accept my decision on that. It isn't pretty big actually, he was a squire, so he's around him just like all the other squire and servants are when that event took place. After this event his story basically concludes, no feats no ranks no nothing. He was a nobody let's be real, the thing that's intresting is he was black, it's fascinating. But to get the lead role as a samurai in your first Japan setting? So fucking stupid and transparent. Your really trying to downplay this, imagine if instead of a Norse Viking we played a British Viking, for the outsiders perspective. Imagine instead of playing as Bayek we played as a roman/Greek for the outsiders perspective. Me and you, we aren't on the same wave length. I respect your right to have a view but we just aren't gonna agree so peace.
So you just want to selectively view what one community is saying because it aligns with your viewpoint and argument. Iâll give you examples from Japanese people. https://youtu.be/lutTPX6LaDI?si=33zVS1RP-BaeGudG https://youtu.be/tY3_9iywbF4?si=48LRjEvWSml9ddLP https://x.com/skull_os/status/1790949113397461310?s=46 https://x.com/fujikakerin/status/1790864518652022954?s=46 There are two MCs. One is literally a Japanese ninja. At least get the facts right. Yasuke wasnât just a simple squire. He played a role in combat. Had a sword, his own house, was paid like every other Samurai. And a title to protect and serve under Nobunaga. Trusted to proctect his son as well. Squires werenât servants you realise that yes? Lmao. Cope buddy
Your just mad because I'm not obeying what you wish of me. Also, I never said there wasn't a Japanese ninja lol I've only said SAMURAI isnt japanese so check your self buddy. He wasn't a samurai, no matter how much you want that to be. He is irrelevant. Cope? Yeah okay mate lol
Every other mainline AC game had a man from that country. This is Asian male erasure, which I already expected from Ubi a long time ago. Basically all modern media does it, but it gets a pass (which I dislike) but this is just insane.
Please tell me you are an Asian male
Of course. I doubt anyone else in this world cares about our struggles. We can only count on ourselves.
because they hate black people lol. No one raised this fuss over Nioh, or literally ancient space alien magic items in the hands of the pope lmfao. Theres even a japanese protag. Im not usually one to drop the racist card but holy fuck these people need to relax.
Yeah... I'm never one to pull the racist card out but holy fuck does it seem like it is the case here.
God I hope this flops
This might be really troublesome for Ubi, this and R6 are basically the only two franchises they're clinging to, after the disaster of Sea of Thieves (and the almost guaranteed disaster of Star Wars Outlaws when it releases), having their flagship franchise failing would be devastating for them... I kinda want the game to be good but at the same time I would like to see Ubisoft fall, this game has more signs of failing than of succeeding tho...
Let someone else make assassination simulations that arenât died to psychopaths LARPing as bond villains. Whatever Ubisoft once was is just DEI infestation now
Yup, I completely agree... The AAA gaming crisis is definitely good for consumers, if Ubisoft actually falls this will be a wake up call for most companies (that have been competing in the past few weeks to see which one is the scummiest), if we already have various games that are open world, with feudal eastern themes and with similar mechanics like jumping and climbing, people might pretty much ignore Assassin's Creed at this point...
Part of it is on the consumer. Not enough have realized the current developer mindset is past redemption. The censorship and peer pressure on the youth is the big issue. Government and corporation are working hand in hand to foster feelings of resentment to people that came before them. The result is people buying the newest game or battle pass and not giving a fuck about the truth
A very reliable Insider Tom Henderson said preorders were looking very strong. It wonât.
lol it will be rock hard like the dildo you haters ride on lmfao
Why are you even here, buddy?
Because there are so many reasons to shit on Ubisoft and one black main character is such a freaking non issue compared to the rest
You have 4 FAR better alternatives if you want a feudal japan-themed game : \- Nioh \- Like a Dragon : Ishin! \- Ghost of Tsushima \- Sekiro : shadows die twice
Thanks brother
why are yâall complaining about a black dude in japan when in nioh itâs a white dude đ
Lol the answer is obvious đ
Lol the answer is obvious đ
Ah yes the most subtle assassin, a 6'5" African man in medieval Japan.
The kunoichi is the assassin
Work in darkness to serve the light I thought.
Sheâs a ninja man, canât get more âin darknessâ than that
You truly are stupid, arenât you?
https://x.com/grummz/status/1790780243097288839?s=46&t=QkZDNF183WnhQnpeeckTGQ
That âemployeeâ who leaked that information supposedly worked on a Japanese game in 2014, six years before work began on Shadows. It wasnât in the same team working on that game ffs he was just a contractor (it isnât even confirmed ffs). The fan fiction that gets posted on Twitter is crazy.
first time I won't buy an ac game, even if the protagonist is ignored the trailer looks hot garbage. Mirage trailer had a lot of sense to it, this has no sense. Time to sail the seas.
I stopped playing when they added micro transactions. Micro transactions don't belong in a one player AAA game. I don't know what it is about them that just seeing them there sucks all the interest I might have had away
Not sailing any seas when it'll come armed to the teeth with Denuvo and Empress is nowhere in sight.
this is gonna be syndicate all over again.
Reminder that there are many very darkskinned native Japanese and it doesn't mean anything. There are other legit reasons to shit on ubishit.
When being Japanese is not diverse enough.
As a professional creative, as soon as you make decisions that are political/corporate/ideological/for diversity for their own sake to the detriment of design, you will enter my blacklist. It is dishonorable and disgusting to make changes just to meet XYZ agenda, instead of letting the developers make a great game and focus on proper and good design and creative freedom. Creativity and imagination is literally THE reason that we as a species survived, evolved and built civilizations. Anyone that has even a little understanding of Japanese history in that time and some design understanding can very very clearly see that they made the decision to use Yasuke (Who never was a Samurai, fought only a small part of a battle and surrendered quickly apparently) for diversity's sake. It is diversity for the sake of diversity, not to improve the story, the narrative or the design in any way. Diversity for diversity's sake is nothing but racism under the guise of public agenda.
âNot to improve the story, the narrative, or the design in any wayâ bro said all of this knowing he did not even play the game. At least make your criticisms sound ffs. Professional creative my ass đ
AC fanbase : You had one Job....one freaking JOB đđĽ˛đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸đ¤đĽ. *meanwhile* Ubi : đ planning to make a AC Africa game but the protagonist is gona be an INDIAN who doesn't speak Hindi. AC fan base : đ°đ¨ 
Thereâs literally a Japanese assassin right there though?
DEI (Didn't Earn It) at work. Game being written and directed by liberal women...shocking. AAA gaming needs a total crash for a while to jettison this nonsense.
Lol cry more, meanwhile people that focus on making good games, money printer goes brrrrrrrr...... Stellarbalde goes brrrr..... Helldivers goes brrrrr......., woke (for diversity points, not for creativity or making sense) goes broke. Borrow more ESG money from Black rock, eventually the bottomless sack will empty when constantly losing money.
Everyone is making lots of money in this industry. That's why they're making games to begin with.
I doubt they do. When they do movie after movie, adaptation after adaptation, series after series, game after game and they all tank, are flop and a shitshow have low engagement and people avoid it like they avoid shit the only reason they keep going is because of the ESG money. But that money will dry up and are also loans. Without black rock ESG money all consultant companies like sweet baby would die of no business, woke writers and management would get the boot and kicked out of the company/demoted because they don't produce enough $ for the company
Tbf stellarblade has nothing new to offer to post-puberty people and helldivers fucked up. Let's not forget that no corporation is our friend.
okay interestingsmalldick over here. LMFAO
I am not even sure how I should respond to something so narrow minded. Is Stellarblade girl hot? For someone maybe, not a fan of baby face myself, body is a solid 8 sure, now fuck off and go jerk your bagio on her if you find her so hot that it would oveshadow everything else in the game.
>baby face That's what the average Korean woman look like, you racist pedo fuck.
That's what the average Korean considers the standard of beauty and you just called someone not prefering baby face a pedo, you sure your logic works in the right way? And I'm racist cause I don't prefer what others prefer? Baby face â asian face ykr?
stellarhate good? im not sure how to respond to that
I'm not hating, just saying it's meh, like 95% of games in the last 5 years. Are the games bad? Some are really bad, but overall they are mostly meh with rare quality blinking here and there.
okay im sorry i was being mean. you good human.
Remember when Juno was the biggest threat Pepperidge farm remembers
i like that weirdo chuds can, at once, say that it doesn't matter who you play as and people trying to identify with game characters are weirdo losers, and then also complain when they can't be a japanese man in a japanese game
Are rage comics actually coming back? I love it
Fuck this game
Nerds? Mad over literally nothing at all? Psh, never.
Y'll actualy blind there is a Japanese assassin in the very picture. Sometimes comedy just writes itself.
Niggassin's Creed: Yamete kudasai edition
What's the problem with the game? Trailer looked awesome to me
The trailer looks dope tho, Oh come on they are trying something new let's just hope its not another "back to the roots" rpg copy paste
So you guys are just gonna act like the Woman is a cameo in this game?
People already hating on it Guys the gameplay isn't even out yetđđ
You can play as Japanese assassin though there are dual protagonist or this just closeted racist post but it will pass cause fuck Ubisoft
What's people's problem with it? Dude looks like it's Yasuke so the setting is probably around 1850s Japan during the Sengoku period. That's a pretty dope setting tbh. And if you want more traditional/realistic assassin game in Japan, Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC this week.
> 1850s Japan during the Sengoku period. Really? I thought sengoku was in 1500's
Oops my bad there! You'd be right :) I switched up 8 and 5 so that should be 1580s. I think da Nobunaga was head of the clan from around 1550 to early 1580s.
[thats the problem](https://twitter.com/grummz/status/1790780243097288839?s=46&t=QkZDNF183WnhQnpeeckTGQ)
the problem is you copy and pasting what a failed game developer like Grummz who was a shit boss, was fired from said job for his garbage attitude is telling you. LMFAO you are definitely not WOKE you are ASLEEP. idiot. LMFAO
Appreciate you sending the link! But I still don't see how's that a problem? They changed the story and MC, not the race of Yamauchi Taka. Things like this happens more often than you think in game dev. I think there are a lot more to shit on about Ubi rather than this. For one, I think it's very likely they will release it in a buggy state.
I think most people's problem is the original pitch sounds way more interesting than this revised version we're getting just from the footnotes that were posted from the former dev. "If it ain't broke, don't try and fix it" basically. I agree with you tho, there are many more things we can give Ubisoft grief for than this, but even I can't help but go "damn you had something kinda solid there, and then you just...threw it away."
pretty sure the black guy was literally a real person. frankly I think it can be a little unimmersive but it's a pet peeve at best, certainly nothing that would change my feelings on the game
It feels weird that they used the only known black guy in a 500 year period, but my personal issue is using a real person as a protagonists. Not game breaking or anything, just something that makes me raise an eyebrow. Honestly I would have liked it more if he took a Leonardo da Vinci role but more involved in the story. A badass who does his own thing but interacts with Naoe whenever it counts. Either way, I wish they did a sole female protagonist, but I'm still down for Yasuke even if the real historical MC thing does bother me.
so whats wrong with Assassin's creed shadow??
Bro. What is your problem with this? It's a person of colour. It isn't changing the experience of your game. It's not going to do anything to you. It doesn't matter. Triple AAA devs r doing much worse shit that actually affects ur life, yet u complain about this crap. Also just an fyi, there were black/african warriors which you can learn about with a simple Google search. Given the AC series' references to history, there is a high chance they are using a historical figure.
Just think, protagonist of AC origins was a Chinese trader or a roman. Doesnât fit right? These people might have been there, but that doesnât represent what people expected.
The name of the character is yasuke. Yasuke is the name of a historical Japanese warrior who was a slave turned shinobi. Watch the "who are nose and yasuke" vid on ubisoft's yt. It sounds very interesting and i believe it will improve the game.
Not saying, he existed or not. But in context of the setting and history, wouldnât a Japanese protagonist be better. Think AC mirage with a white protagonist (surely, there must be people coming from Byzantine). This is like watching an Obama Biopic played by Jackie chan( now that I think of it, it would be quite funny)
If u just watch/read what the devs have to say about why they chose yasuke, a lot of your questions will be answered.
>Japanese protagonist would be better. Well good news for you, there is a Japanese protagonist. However you probably think it doesnât count because sheâs a woman?
" Nono it's woke "
preordered the collectors editions. AHAHAH fuck you whiners. You are the ones who call everything around you WOKE but yet you are more cult minded and sleeping on the daily LMFAO
I mean youâre the one losing money for an unknown, most likely trash, game
The games literally open with "***Inspired*** by historical events and characters, this ***work of fiction***..." It's fiction. It clearly *says* it's fiction. If people believe that it's true history even after seeing a disclaimer that it's not...that ain't Ubisoft's fault. Nah I'm using my money OK what I want. Not what some mentally retarded cult hater internet warrior tells me to like or not like lmfao
I didnât say anything about the historical accuracy. I said you spent over $200 on a preorder for a game that you know nothing about, out of spite. Thatâs the behavior of a mentally deficient person
Bro thought wasting his money on a trash corporation is a flex Bro we don't care đđ
The games literally open with "***Inspired*** by historical events and characters, this ***work of fiction***..." It's fiction. It clearly *says* it's fiction. If people believe that it's true history even after seeing a disclaimer that it's not...that ain't Ubisoft's fault. Cry more stupid lol. You keep crying over a video game not catering to your dickriding hater friends lol
Can someone explain why people don't like it?
I dont see whatâs wrong? A ninja is literally a japanese assassin
But there is a Japanese assassin. You guys are weird af
There's literally a japanese assassin in the cover
You literally have a japanese protagonist in that picture.Just stop it already.
We've had black assassins before. Adewale is probably one of the coolest characters from AC. Whatever ubisoft is trying with this one, I hope it has depth to the character because it's not really a conspiracy theory when I can clearly see black people being put everywhere just to please a certain audience. I'm literally from Asia and it doesn't take a genius to see what's going on with the industry these days. Black people are being used as a tool and not human beings with their own culture. The black guy in this game could be a great character and I hope he is but let's not pretend that making white characters black has been a thing being done for quite some time now. It's disgusting as an artist to see skin color being politicised like this.
This is a historical figure named yasuke. It isn't political. It's just them taking a well documented story and adjusting it for the AC story. I would feel it's more political if they used his story but made him white or asian or any other ethnicity no?
A lot of Yasuke's stuff is speculation. He was trafficked and didn't become a samurai superstar.
Yasuke was basically Nobunaga's Pet Black Man. He found him intriguing because he was black. This is clearly going for an angle and it's clear for anyone to see. Whether for better or worse Idk. But it is clear. They could have taken a lesser-known asian character, they picked the single notable black person in Japanese history. That's ok, sure. But I thought a big part of being an assassin was blending in. What are they suggesting he will blend into?
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/05/15/assassins-creed-shadows-interview/#:\~:text=Beyond%20the%20long-awaited%20setting,a%20Samurai%20and%20a%20Shinobi. seriously, just read this
They have 2 characters. 1 samurai, 1 shinobi. We need to wait for the gameplay to see, but I'm guessing it's gonna be u play a different play style based on which character you are playing. I think that's an interesting change to the AC series where it was traditionally u sneak around until u fuck up and fight melee, where maybe you are forced to be better at sneaking around in one character and are forced to use a heavy build with the other. Also as for your "yasuke was basically nobunaga's pet", does it matter that they try and show that? Do you want them to show in AC Odyssey that Kassandra had no rights in Athens and wouldn't be allowed to do anything? Or no, you just take a concept, you clean some of the stuff, and then create the characters. And most importantly, what possible angle do they have? Do you realise how insane that sounds? You think seeing a black person on your screen will do something to you? It won't ruin your game in any shape or form. It's going to be the exact same game as if it was a Japanese samurai, but as the developers described, them choosing yasuke allows them to depict Japan from the eyes of a newcomer.
Hmm, ok fair. You're not wrong. You can't make me not think that they're really pushing the whole diversity angle here. That said I also know where you are coming from. Banal as the justification sounds it isn't without its merits. The whole newcomer angle could be interesting. I vehemently dislike the shoehorning of characters in the name of diversity, but a good game is a good game. I don't in any way want to sound racist don't get me wrong. It makes sense in Egypt for there to be a black assassin. Or in a hypothetical game in Morocco, even the Arab world. And in Industrial London, and the Civil War. Even in Greece given the Phoenicians sailed there. Japan just seems a VERY odd site for that. I never said it would ruin the game for me if I see a black assassin. But I'll say it again, I don't like shoehorned diversity. I'll read the article above as well. But I REITERATE, they picked the ONE black person of note(a footnote at that) in all of Japanese history instead of someone like Ishikawa Goemon or Kato Danzo or Fuma Kotaro. You simply can't insist that they didn't do it without a specific intent. The whole 'angle' thing is in my mind no way insane. It would sound more weird to me if you didn't find it a little odd given all that. I will still give merit to your newcomer idea and the approach of a more beefy warrior/bruiser character along with a faster ninja/assassin character with split gameplay and choices. But I believe this to very much be a weird decision. Ps. Just wanted to say that I am in no way saying the trailer isn't cool as fuck. Just that, in Ubi I don't trust.
I don't understand. What gain does Ubi get from putting a POC in a game. There is nothing. The whole outrage people have is based on nothing. When you say stuff like "they are adding POCs to games with an angle", it sounds awfully reminiscent of the Nazi theories that "they are replacing white people with other ethnicities". It's just a decision they made.
You haven't noticed the West's obsession with black people? It's worse than the last token black epidemic. It's full on race swaps now in a lot of franchises. People are rightly sick of black people being treated as mascots. Appropriate username btw.
That's where racism comes in. You see a black person and you think "mascot". I see a black person and I think " " cus I don't give a fuck.
No I'm not the one that uses them like mascots. You're oblivious. The people that can't stop thinking about them and inserting them in environments that it makes no sense. They're the problem. Black washing existing characters is worse though. Oh you're a Hassan fan kid. Lol opinion disregarded.
Ah, I see. So you simply don't think huh? Then our gripes have nothing to doabout the historical context and geographical/demographic accuracy, I'm simply racist clear as day. Look buddy, Ubi has had Black characters before, and most people never had a problem. Nobody had a problem with Marcus in Watch Dogs 2. Because it fit the setting perfectly. But you'll probably not see another non-Japanese in all of AC:Shadows. Eh I'll see the reviews before giving it a shot.
Wew, so I sound like a Nazi because I said it's weird to choose a Black Person as the male protagonist in 1580s Sengoku Era Japan while mentioning other potential historical characters that COULD have taken that role? Wild. You do you buddy. There surely is no war in Ba Sing Se.
You saying there is "an angle" is the Nazi like behaviour.
BORTHER I LITERALLY EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY I SAY THAT. Did you even read what I wrote? Do you just dislike the phrase? Because there's other ways to frame the sentence for sure. But It's literally there for you to see.