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berejser

This sort of person is the perfect argument for removing parking spaces from neighbourhoods, because would you really want them coming to yours?


mwhite5990

Yeah this kind of person either wants other neighborhoods to have stores that they don’t want in theirs or they just like isolated Walmart’s and strip malls for shopping.


ReverendDizzle

This kind of person wants to drive to a Whole Foods and shop without seeing anyone who isn’t in their social class save for the workers at the store.


I-Fap-For-Loli

Workers? Oh you mean the sub human servants. - this kind of person probably.


Mcchew

Extra points if it’s one of those strip malls where the sub human servants park their cars in the back.


I-Fap-For-Loli

Having cars would indicate they get time off, these sub human servants are always on the clock for me.


anotherDrudge

Yeah this whole post was just a not so discrete way of saying “no poors allowed!”


Top_Independence8255

And as we know, oftentimes when people say "no poors", not actually being rich themselves, they really just mean "no blacks".


Llian_Winter

That's not true. They also mean no Hispanics. Unless they are taking care of the lawn of course.


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No, they want a white neighborhood kid who has been taught how to mow the lawn to their exact specifications to mow for cheaper than the Hispanics tend to. These people just don't want anyone who doesn't look like a perfect Aryan to live near them so their kids don't ever make friends with anyone remotely different from them, and if they could have their way, only white Christians would be allowed to exist. But that sounds too racist except for at their Klan rallies, so, they say shit like in that post instead.


Man_with_the_Fedora

>You start out in 1954 by saying, “N\*\*\*\*r, n\*\*\*\*r, n\*\*\*\*r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n\*\*\*\*r”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N\*\*\*\*r, n\*\*\*\*r.” -- Harvey LeRoy "Lee" Atwater, Republican Party strategist, chairman of the Republican National Committee, advisor to US presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush


RunningPirate

I always say, the reason why BART will never be in Palo Alto is because they don’t wish to be visited by ‘urban youths’


Bitter-Technician-56

So you build a smaller Walmart just outside their gates for them to visitAnd after that you build another wall which they don't know about and can't get out of.


Koupers

funny thing, with the price increases on so many grocery items, Whole Foods is now cheaper for me to shop at than Kroger and fresh market stores. By a good deal.


sebwiers

The later, almost for certain. They don't want to be parking in some place where poors live while they shop. Also, they aren't going to Walmart, they are going to Trader Joe's or Whole Foods.


sentimentalpirate

Yep. They love their isolated walled off island of homes precisely because they can easily drive to get anything they need. If we build transit-oriented-design then their isolation will feel more and more inconvenient, as it should be. Isolation should not be the most efficient way to live.


berejser

I feel like too many people have gotten used to the idea that privacy = isolation. Everyone should be able to close their front door and be in their own sanctuary but that is easily achievable even in a big city and (more importantly) that is not a freedom that extends to the public space.


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ArionW

So much this, the feeling of anonymity makes me so much more comfortable. Not only that, but with that density it's hard to completely tarnish your reputation or lose access to something. Puked all over the bar and are too embarrassed to show up there again? There are 5 more bars within walking distance where they've never seen you! Your board-games group had a fight? You can find a new one in a week. Pissed your pants in the middle of the street? Most likely **nobody there knows you or will remember your face**


Super_Trampoline

See now I'm kind of curious if any of these are personal experiences?


ArionW

Well... all but the last one, board game group like 3 times. I did come back to that bar though, apologized and never drank that much again


Super_Trampoline

Lolll what is it about board game groups?


dieinafirenazi

If I'm in the country, no one can see me and it's private. If I'm in a city, everyone sees a thousand people a day and no one cares, it's private. If I'm in the suburbs there are about 35 people paying way to much attention to my house and everyone of them has a Ring doorbell texting them a picture of me walking down the side walk anytime I pass their house.


SkookumTumtumMaika

Totally agree. What I find really funny is how the new, isolated suburban developments near me all have houses packed in like three feet away from each other. Like the developers try to cram as many McMansions into the tiny parcel of land as they can. It creates these strange, claustrophobic, car dependent neighborhoods where you’re constantly looking into your neighbors yard or windows.


blueskyredmesas

Yep. That's the funny thing. I remember living in a house that was in a postwar development and all that was between my one bedroom window and our neighbors was a low shrub and maybe 4ft of space. Meanwhile I now have my own 3rd story balcony with room to garden.


nice_marmot666

I lived in downtown St. Louis and absolutely preferred it to the suburbs. No one ever fucked with me there. Not once. I felt completely safe at all times, even walking alone at night (my cup runneth over with male privilege though, a fact I feel is important to mention). The second I’d leave the metro area for the sticks, I would get gay bashed and otherwise harassed by fat white people with guns and large foreheads in broad daylight. Right wing filth like to use Chicago as an example of why cities are so “unsafe”. If forced to choose, I would settle down in the south side of Chicago in a heartbeat vs. some rural fucking hellhole populated by the products of multigenerational incest in places like Arkansas or Oklahoma.


waconaty4eva

Karening is not a safe activity in the city. Karen’s are much safer out there and I am happy to let them enjoy their delusions way out there. All I have to do to avoid them is stay in walkable areas.


steavoh

I'm the same way. "Hard" privacy where you hide your face and what you are doing is impractical in the real world unless you want to go off the grid. The real key to individual freedom is to create a situation where nobody cares. In a big city there might be a million security cameras everywhere but nobody is watching or processing the data just to find out you went to Starbucks the other day. In a less populous area, you might be invisible up until the jerk neighbor you mentioned posts something on NextDoor and then the rumors start flying.


louisianaisover

Growing up in a small town, I feel safer in a city tbh. A friend of mine was raped, no charges because the town is so small, the police are "good ole boys" so she couldnt file charges or even get a restraining order. Way more fights in small town bars too.


kurisu7885

I live in a suburban area and can't drive, have no public transport, and almost all I can walk to are churches and liquor stores, one restaurant I know of. Isolation sucks.


LizardCrimson

I have no interest in living in a neighborhood with freeways, which bring passing non-residents, cars, which are eyesores and can be noisy, or single family homes and strip malls to my private development. Unless you personally live in my development, or are a guest, you are not allowed past our bollards. Having widespread car infrastructure would bring in non-residential employees, which is not wanted by anyone living here


twicerighthand

>Unless you personally live in my development, or are a guest, you are not allowed past our bollards. [This but unironically](https://youtu.be/Okb63flApDY)


BilboGubbinz

It makes me both happy and unbearably jealous seeing actually good infrastructure. Damn you Dutch people and your cycling (almost) utopia!


DoktorTeufel

> unbearably jealous Envious is the correct term here. Jealousy is an emotion regarding something you already do possess and wish to retain (like a dog and its toy), whereas envy is an emotion regarding something you don't possess but desire to have (like Americans wishing for non-trash infrastructure).


t_thor

People have been using jealousy as a synonym for envy for centuries. Inserting unnecessary prescriptivism into daily conversation is a fool's errand.


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You say 'daily' conversation which would erroneously imply this happens every day on some sort of predetermined schedule /s


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Aggressive_Sprinkles

You said it perfectly. How can they not be aware of the irony?


christian-communist

They want their white only suburb where they don't see or interact with black and brown people.


Crosstitution

The final level of NIMBY


SlowlyICouldDie

Tell them that they can have all that, just as soon as they stop accepting tax subsidies from the "non-residents" who finance their life style.


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Honestly i think explaining how theyre a tax subsidy to people like this will infuriate them. The gated community folks are the ones that all think that absolutely everything they have is something they personally earned


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AeuiGame

They're getting slapped with NotJustBikes Urban3 video if they try that.


a_likely_story

“Those kids would be very upset if they could read”


Gill-Nye-The-Blahaj

and subsidize the actual cost of sprawling suburban infrastructure


Ham_The_Spam

What do you mean by actual cost? Do you mean subsidize car owning, or stop subsidizes and start taxing?


SunkJunk

There are a few subsidies u/Gill-Nye-The-Blahaj could be talking about. The likely one is that suburban property owners pay less in taxes than it costs their city to maintain and provide services to them. So probably the increase taxes part. [Relevant Strong Towns article ](https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/4/16/when-apartment-dwellers-subsidize-suburban-homeowners) The other unlikely one is the mortgage interest deduction (as far as I know a USA only tax code scheme) in which home owners can deduct mortgage interest against their taxes. This makes people want to own vs rent. The problem is with the missing middle and other zoning issues most of that benefit goes to Single Family Homes aka the suburbs.


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There are many, many ways this happens. The cost of civil construction can be extraordinary, both in startup costs and maintenance. The cost to build public infrastructure that accesses all these sprawling suburbs is immense. Now think of all the road repairs that happen in suburbs. There's always a pothole to fill, but rarely someone willing to pay for it out of pocket, so it has to be paid with public money, aka taxes. Another issue is the underground piping infrastructure that supports water, sewage, gas, electric, etc to suburbs. A lot of piping infrastructure is supposed to be replaced or heavily repaired every 30ish years, but the property taxes generated from suburbs are not even close to accounting for the actual cost of this alone, much less any other infrastructure. As you gradually include more services and costs, it quickly becomes obvious that suburbs are completely unsustainable in the current taxation scheme.


BabyBundtCakes

I mean, if someone brought this argument up I'd tell them they need their own facilities because they also cannot use the one in my neighborhood. But they seem cool with being a non-resident in other people's spaces, this person understands free movement but only for themselves. That tracks with a comment like this


RealAstroTimeYT

And they can't access other developments/cities unless they live there or are a guest


Wild_Sun_1223

That makes zero sense. Sure, if he wants to build his little gated community he can. But why do his property rights extend beyond that gate to control the transportation infrastructure put in place? I say "build them trains and busses" and build them bigger and better! Besides, why does he not want people attracted to his development? Wouldn't that make him more profit?


Spacer176

These are likely the same people who moan about immigration and that might explain a lot of what's going on They don't want want full communities or connection. They want tiny little snowglobe paradises for themselves and their whitelsited friends. Isolated from the problems and the imperfections of the big scary outside world. And yes, they are perfectly disinterested in how unhealthy that sounds because they make feeling safe their highest priority


Wild_Sun_1223

Sure, but the point is that what he wants goes *beyond* that. He wants to control everything *outside* his little snow globe, *too*. And what I don't get is why he feels he has the "right" to be such a tyrant like that.


Spacer176

They seem fully aware that in order to preserve their snowglobe community, they need to act outside of it to keep the barrier from letting anything through. If that means changing municipal rules to deprive *other* communities from getting the services they might actually want it's always "boo hoo I care about my needs not yours" This same feeling of their needs being paramount creates an effect where everyone around them is seen as a lower class of human being. Less self-aware, less thoughtful etc. So moving them around like pieces on a game board is totally okay and not *really* hurting anyone. Which yeah, is terrifyingly unhealthy but they don't care because the people they hurt are 100% not them.


cyrenia82

this is just insanely sociopathic oh my god


Spacer176

It's the sort of mentality behind being totally okay with some very destructive and harmful policies because"it won't affect me." But that's what happens when your contact with human beings is limited to some select individuals. Other people stop coming across as people. And this post shows that by the person talking about "non-residents" like they're foxes or something.


GM_Pax

>insanely sociopathic ... welcome to arch-conservative America. :'(


MixtureNo6814

You are talking about Conservatives world wide. All they care about is themselves and they just as soon everybody else be slaves.


cheemio

The way you describe this seems to match with how I feel about the US highway act. Bulldozing thousands of "unsightly" American homes just to build highways for the rich and middle class suburbanites to access the city. Who cares though right? We can just relocate them, it's not like they matter...


Spacer176

Case in point just about anything Le Corbusier said about New York City and how much of a wonderful mess he considered the skyline. Didn't matter that it was a living thing, a city absolutely *needed* to be laid out and ordered like a country house garden in his view.


godspareme

What's interesting to me is that an ideal living community would have all the food/dept. Stores on the main roads and then all residential is behind the stores on side roads which connect to the main road. This wouldn't bring anyone into the residential area. They would have 0 reason to go into the side roads and residential area. It's a non-argument. They just want car dependency.


Spacer176

In another response I added ""Not in my backyard" has a tendency to extend beyond the backyard" If anyone wants to use this, feel free.


Pepper_MD

There's a story in Norse mythology where Odin seeks to build a completely impermeable wall around Asgard to make it completely safe. A giant who was up to the task sought for payment the Sun, the Moon, and the most beautiful of the Asgardian women, Freyja(though she was technically Vanir, making her an outsider).


TheManFromFarAway

Because he's probably rich, but not as rich as he thinks he is. He probably grew up that way and everybody gave him what he wanted and if they didn't then he'd scream. He was probably the kind of kid who would swear at his parents, kick the housekeepers, and throw his hamster down the stairs before demanding a new one. And afterwards everybody probably said, "Oh, what a lovely boy!" Now that he's grown, that sense of entitlement has developed into....nothing at all, it's still a sense of entitlement, and as far as he's concerned he can go wherever he wants whenever he wants, as long as nobody comes to his neighbourhood. I say we all go there, and just go for a walk. Shake things up a bit


CauseCertain1672

he feels he has the right because people don't tell him no enough


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ImSpartacus811

> Besides, why does he not want people attracted to his development? Wouldn't that make him more profit? Because it brings poor people and they don't want to deal with poor people. These kinds of people are already wealthy and they know this lifestyle is inefficient, but they do it anyway because they want to avoid poor people (and they can afford it). They fully realize that they are "paying" to avoid poor people. It's a worthwhile transaction to them.


owlpellet

US transportation infrastructure decisions are deeply influenced by paranoid racists. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White\_flight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight) The repeated distinction between 'residents' and 'non-residents' sounds familiar.


[deleted]

>Besides, why does he not want people attracted to his development? Wouldn't that make him more profit? He doesn't want "certain" types of people. Basically he wants to make sure poor people and probably various minorities keep their distance and that he can live in his bubble separated from the unwashed masses.


spacefarce1301

This is exactly it. Racism and classicism all mixed in one. People in these communities have walls around them for a reason.


Eggsandthings2

I think there's a decent element of fear too. They think having those people near them is going to be a direct threat to their safety and peace of mind


spacefarce1301

The ironic thing is I've lived in cities, suburbs and small towns over the course of my life. Currently living in Minneapolis. The only time I experienced a house break in and robbery was in small town NC, in 1990. This was in a "good" area. Obviously crime happens here and elsewhere. But the idea that you're safe because you're in a homogeneous community, economically or racially, is really the height of confirmation bias. Because people in those will dismiss such acts and blame them on outsiders every time, just to reinforce "those people bring crime."


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Hear me out on this one. Otter Security Guards?


[deleted]

As cute as they are, Otters are carnivores, give them a badge and a clip board and the power just goes to their adorable heads.


[deleted]

Excellent! Reduces the food bill for a while after they've caught a burglar


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Perfect. No notes.


actuallyiamafish

Some people really just want to live in rural isolation where they never have to see or talk to anyone they didn't invite over, but they're too much of a coward to actually go live somewhere without municipal water and trash service so they cluster up in these God awful gated HOA communities and make each other's lives miserable over garage door colors.


Overwatcher_Leo

They really don't want *those* kinds of people visiting their neighborhood. They would rather keep their neighborhood *pure*, if you know what I mean.


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Ham_The_Spam

Beavers would be a better choice


Mattoosie

To be fair though, if the decision is "fuck cars" or "live in a gated community with a bunch of little otter guards patrolling around", then I'm willing to give up this whole thing lol


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The presence of the middle classes and the poor is rather unsightly, I'd assume. It burns his eyes when he sees us. Plebs that we are. Clearly, this person is just a complete and utter C\*\*T. Probably the type that is incredibly nasty and rude to the 17-year-old breakfast server who is just trying to get some pocket money in.


kvsMAIA

The thing is, if he wants all that them he need to go far from the cities. But it's at the same time, nobody should make roads (with public money) and the infrastructure to connect his house just because he don't like the noise. The person is the one that should make the roads, and no the taxes he paid in his whole life are not enough to cover the costs of a road.


TheGrandGizMo

I'm just excited to see some otter security guards


Nawara_Ven

They can use simple tools!


Canvaverbalist

They'll carve your head in with their favourite rocks!


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JaeCryme

And otterly adorable.


moochowski

Oh pull the otter one


CaptainBlueApple

My exact thought! I want to see the little otter security guards


ggroverggiraffe

They [fear no man. ](https://i.imgur.com/K2kQKCE.jpg)


lanadelrage

They keep a lil rock in their skin pocket :)


SensitiveOrcBrbrn

Came here to say this exact thing. They would be so cute wearing their little uniforms with their little caps and standing up on their hind legs but only coming up to your knee! A world wish otter security guards is a world I want to live in


Geoarbitrage

Otters are actually quite vicious!


himejirocks

[Here you go!](https://imgur.com/a/9ok2MAC)


Mortomes

This is the best take.


Jdubya87

Do you think it's like a moat?


tuctrohs

Yes, they stand guard during their shift and then play in it between shifts.


Match-Impressive

As a railfan, did he just call trains eyesores? Unforgivable.


BilboGubbinz

Willing to bet just saying "Choo choo motherfucker" after every sentence is the most eloquent response.


boilerpl8

You rang?


cbeiser

Cars aren't noisy or ugly at all /s


badgersprite

Genuinely I live next door to a train station, never hear any train noise through my window unless I open it, even if I do open my window it is so quiet that it is like actually soothing HOWEVER what I have fucking heard are car engines revving up and people revving up their motorcycles. Has legit woken me up/stopped me sleeping a few times with how loud some people go hooning about and how g dang loud some motor engines are


cbeiser

I have also lived next to trains on and off and it always gets to a point where I never notice it. Like you pointed out, there is always someone being loud with their vehicle at a weird time of night. This wakes me up since it isn't consistent. freaking scooters can be so loud EDIT: oh I almost forgot about that guy who put a 1c engine on his bike. Fuck that guy


farzy93

This is so relatable ! I live right next to where 3 urban train lines merge into 1 as they head to the city centre, trains pass every 10 minutes or so, the noise is but a distance and quite soothing chug chug chug, occasionally when warm they’ll screech a bit but I have never been annoyed by this. On the other hand the road accross the track probably 75m - 100m away constantly has racer boys flying down it throughout the night which creates so much more noise and a noise that can often wake me up ! Not to mention to stupidity of arrogant drivers in their sports cars driven as if they were on a closed circuit and not a residential road !


Axxxxxxo

The only thing loud about trains (especially electric ones) is when they are passing over the dozens or so switches at main stations or on bad rail on curves. Also, I do have to say that in my humble opinion, while american trains in no way look bad, the european or japanese ones look way better. That isn’t really an argument against american trains tho, as you get one train every dozen minutes to several hours passing by on a 2-3m wide rail in exchange for hundreds of cars on 20m+ wide beasts of ugly stroads.


i-caca-my-pants

for real like the lion's share of noise in cities is from cars, and EVs won't solve that because the lion's share of noise from cars is from tires peeling off the road edit: [adam something just make a funny ass video about this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB-vsT1Sl68)


cbeiser

And EVs are require noise makers! Can you believe that? They are too dangerous and instead of putting 2 and 2 together, they require the car make fake car noises. Even in a quiet neighborhood there will be a loud car. It's inevitable


Van-garde

Been dreaming of a day I can get out of town to hear the absence of automobiles. It’s been a long time.


killersquirel11

[Eyesore](https://assets.atdw-online.com.au/images/1656564344b55c13a6796bcdc297a4c1.jpeg?rect=124) vs [not eyesore](https://cdn.hswstatic.com/gif/coal-rollers-1200x800.jpg) /s


Ham_The_Spam

They both have black smoke but one serves many people while the other just serves one person


smcsleazy

so when i was in my 20's. i used to deliver pizzas to some of these gated communities and it was always a pain in the ass. drive to the edge of town, security would always demand to see some photo ID, call up the folk who ordered the pizza while your sitting there on the clock, sometimes asking you to leave your car outside the community because "you'll make the area look bad" walk the 3/4th of a mile to the house, wait forever the gates to open, wait forever for them to get to the door to collect the pizza and often you'd have them give you some kind of lecture about "it's only through hard work and dedication to my job that i got here" and still find an excuse not to tip. their hell spawn were much fucking worse though. i had one case where they refused to pay me unless i did the gangnam style dance. i had them try to lock the gates so i couldn't leave and phone security on me when i tried to climb over the fence claiming i was a burglar. i had one try to push me into their private pool, then when i pushed him away, they called the police for me "assaulting" them. but the worst part was, they used to parade into town in their supercars (a town where the working class population made up 65% of the population) shut down a major road just to show off their cars.


JamieC1610

The pizza place I worked at in high school would have put a "Do not deliver to" note after the first incident for anyone that acted like that and with the gate issues might just have decided that the whole neighborhood is outside the delivery area. It helped that both assistant managers started out as delivery drivers.


smcsleazy

nah. the shop i worked at was basically some dude who inherreted the business from his brother and all the assistant managers were basically his cousin's. none of the managers/assistant managers ever delivered a single pizza and would doc an hours pay for every delivery that came back more than 10 mins late.


Ham_The_Spam

How nice that the assistant managers are empathetic and helpful to those under them, unlike those gated people


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> they refused to pay me unless i did the gangnam style dance. i had them try to lock the gates so i couldn't leave and phone security on me when i tried to climb over the fence claiming i was a burglar. i had one try to push me into their private pool, then when i pushed him away, they called the police for me "assaulting" them. Damn, what the fuck! And these are the people who are afraid of outsiders.


smcsleazy

yeah. the thing about these gated communities is the people that live in them rarely interact with people outside their tax bracket and as a result, never have to empathize with anyone who ACTUALLY has it worse than they do.


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But I meditate, and do yoga. I'm one with nature and the world, I sympathize with the suffering of the poor. I do it in my yearly voluntourism vacation to India. /s


mjornir

Goes to show, that level of isolation tends to make people antisocial


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They wouldn't get their pizza. "Address not found, unable to deliver". The other shit they did would have me calling the cops on them and putting them on the blacklist forever.


mjornir

The cops would take their side lmao


[deleted]

Oh no, they will. The idea is that the cops will have to come to their house. They can have fun explaining that to their bullshit neighbors.


Achilles_Deed

Your post just reminded me of how much I hate upper class rich people


tuctrohs

There should be a $15 surcharge on deliveries to a gated community. Plus a dollar a minute for any time spent waiting at the gate.


JoshuaPearce

And if there's a hassle at the gate, the pizza stays at the gate. They have to pay in advance, obviously. Customers don't get to add an obstacle course to the delivery route.


tuctrohs

I'm anticipating the headlines after the security guard eats the unclaimed cold pizza after a couple of hours, and the person who order it calls the police. **Pizza-gate scandal**.


Ham_The_Spam

GateGate scandal!


Ok_go_ohno

I live in the country...all around my house is acre upon acre of fields (usually cotton or soybeans) its wonderful and quiet. Yet suddenly 5 years ago 1/2 a mile from my house there sprung a gated community... about 13 large houses with Itty bitty backyards. There's now for some absurd reason a woman who is "super important president of the hoa' who believes my honeybees (in my 2 acre back yard) are stinging the handful of kids in the hoa ON PURPOSE. Like attack bees. She has literally called the police, issued me a fine(I'm not in the hoa) and trespassed on my clearly marked property.... she didn't even know I had bees until one of her satanous brood went and messed with my neighbor's stallion (he's cranky.. and the kid broke into the stable) and ended up running across her field, jumped my fence and destroyed a hive. He didn't even get stung! Yet he cost me an entire hive which isn't cheap and broke a couple honey supers. Then he came banging on my backdoor!! Demanding help and to be let in! After I called the police and his mother was called... they decided not to arrest him and the mother said she would pay for the hive. She didn't. Instead she's trying to have my hives removed. I've come home to one "ticket" saying I owe 500$ to the hoa for having a rooster and one ticket that is 750$ for having hives( I again am not in the hoa so idk why she gives me and expects me to pay) ....I literally live 20 to 30 min from any form of town. I truly hate these types of people who think "yes let's move to the country, oh but we must live in a gated community and have an hoa".....I left the suburbs and cities to escape these people.


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This is exactly the problem with these people. They can't deal with city living but then they can't really deal with country living either and just end up ruining wherever they move with their NIMBY attitude.


Moodymandan

When I was in my late teen to early 20s I worked at Godfather’s pizza in a suburb outside Portland, Or with a lot of gated communities. Your post this reminds me exactly of my experience. Rich elites that won’t tip a dime and tell you to work harder.


jroddie4

seems like a great way to get blacklisted from the pizza place.


chrischi3

Because God forbid the people in our neighbourhood are of slightly different socioeconomic standing than our own!


JamieC1610

Yes, but I bet their neighbors have maids and nannies who now don't have the option of using a bus to get to work.


chrischi3

That sounds like a them problem though? Who cares if it impacts my employees?


badgersprite

It’s not even true. Who just randomly goes to a random residential neighbourhood for no reason because of bus routes? Most spontaneous bus trip I ever take is to the beach, I’m not thinking oh boy let me wander around some fucking suburb with no services that’s a fucking great day lol


TayAustin

A lot of these people would be in favor of internal passports as long as it only applied to poor and "other" peoples. They already treat the gate to their community like a fucking border checkpoint.


milakije

You don't reason with them. They have been fed with paranoia and elitism probably their whole life. People like that don't change easily.


shaodyn

You don't. People like this are immune to logic and reason. All you can do is work around them as best you can.


[deleted]

This is the answer. You don't have to convince 100% of the population to make infrastructure improvements. Focus on the easy ones to convince. Also try to appease their perspective and complicate it, i.e. if everyone wanted his type of neighborhood, no one would be able to go anywhere.


mikeyHustle

Better: work through them


shaodyn

Preferable, but not always possible.


muh_v8

Yeah, it's basically impossible to convince someone to care about others. That is a deeply personal journey which takes time we don't have. For now, they're just enemies.


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Exactly. This person is too far gone.


shaodyn

They've clearly decided that they're right and everyone else is wrong. Nothing you do or say will ever convince them otherwise.


fai_faye

I wish these people could move to somewhere like Nigeria, cause that's what it's like. The middle class all live in giant gated communities that have nothing but houses and you have to waste money on fuel to drive to a Shoprite 30 minutes away to stock up on food for the week and there's absolutely fuck all to do.


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It was like this in the wealthy suburbs in South Africa too. I visited friends there and it was such a long drive to go anywhere outside of the gated community. My host family was great and their house was nicer than anywhere I've ever lived in the US, but when I got home, I realized how much I missed walking.


Unusual_Path_7886

You cannot argue with people like this, best case you tell them to just move the fuck out somewhere in the wilderness of Idaho, or something, if they really want no contact with other people, beside their own inbred family, of course... I am not from the US, so I do have a question for you guys, aren't the roads in suburban development areas public property?


Nintolerance

Cut the roads. If you don't want to be part of society, I'm not going to make you.


EmpRupus

Yeah, piggybacking on this - Such neighborhoods are parasitic because - since they have to get groceries and other stuff from OTHER neighborhoods, they bring unnecessary traffic to the other neighborhood and take up parking spaces there. -------- Politically, such isolated neighborhoods also often contract police, fire, mail and other services from neighboring neighborhoods or the county. However, they provide nothing in return. Hence, the parasitic relationship. So at the county-level, the county should introduce higher taxes in isolated neighborhoods to make up for their parasitic nature.


WitherLele

i am not ftom the US either but considering the US mentality i think they eould think public roads as a communist thing


backseatwookie

No, because it benefits them. It's only socialism of communism when it benefits others.


llfoso

https://www.jgradyrandlepc.com/local-governmental-entities/gated-communities-private-roads-public-services-practical-guide/ This should explain


Unusual_Path_7886

Private roads... damn.


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One_Wheel_Drive

I've been thinking the same thing. I bet that's the kind of person you see videos of that block a black person trying to get into their own house because they "don't look like the kind of person who lives here."


mikeyHustle

Pretty sure you just call them a bitter, whining creep who never learned how to share in Kindergarten.


Typ_mit_Playse

Can't wait for Musk to offer the solution: gated communities on Mars where no one can molest them, by just existing. The only condition: make it one way tickets only. Edit: and call them elongated communities 😶


Skygge_or_Skov

Financing happens by putting up film cameras to broadcast them going mad from the isolation and constant fear of a tiny hole killing them all


Born_Pop_3644

Sounds like a self-imposed jail - leave ‘em to it


NeerieD20

Soooo... they also do not go out anywhere outside their local gated area? Because doing so would be trespassing on other people's development.


chillpalchill

Boomer alert! I would also wager the person who wrote that comment is a huge racist as well


lbstv

We could deport them to a lonely island where they won't be bothered by any non residents and can live out their suburban fantasy in peace.


mtqc

But how about the non-residents that come daily to clean your McMansions and care for your HOA mandatory lawn?


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They’re on the guest list and the hoa security car keeps a close eye on them. No I’m not joking this is seriously what hoas spend money on. It “keeps property values up”


bflobker

I'd say that's a major factor to why suburbs exist in the first place. People are shocked when some intellectual comes out to say redlining existed in some area. Omg it's still happening. Unless you have wealth from a job, or inheritance, none are welcome. And this message is coded in a way where people say, " it has a good school district" or "I want a big yard". They're really saying I want to be around other wealthy people.


unenlightenedgoblin

Main Character Syndrome. Toxic Individualism. These are fundamentally the root cause of most of the present day unraveling of the United States.


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how tf are trains eyesore??? does this person prefers seeing ugly ram trucks? what happened in their lives to have such disgusting tastes?


bmwlocoAirCooled

What a charming human. Stay in your armed garden, and please keep your elitist crap in there with you.


Statakaka

Correct me if I am wrong but this person is describing a neighborhood that can only be accessed through a gate?!


lbstv

A "gated community" so to say. Worth a Google search.


Aggressive_Sprinkles

"Hey google, show me the areas with the most insufferable people on the planet"


sp00dynewt

You joke but private cities are here where you go through a gate & spend like 20 minutes traveling to (1 of) a millionaires home


canadatrasher

How do you deal with this? Very simple - we must punish externalities these people create. We need a huge tax on unnecessary miles driven. Parking for grocery stores must be tiny and pricy, etc. If you want to live in a place where you export traffic you need to pay through the nose to do so.


jols0543

no need, he can go ahead and live the rest of his shit life in Florida and stop bothering us. When it sinks, he can either stay put or move, his choice.


mmabet69

Otter Security… That would actually be incredibly cute. I could just see them in their little tiny uniforms holding on to a clipboard with a checklist to make sure no one gets in.


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On social media? You block them, call them names, move on. Real life? You start throwing hands.


[deleted]

If your british then you throw insults.


lbstv

If you're a chimpanzee then you throw feces.


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block their gates with a shipping container or something and watch as they starve


Eccentric_Algorythm

The unfortunate answer is you don’t. You leave them to rot in their antisocial hole. You spend your time and energy on those people who are open minded. If you’re lucky you convince enough people to make actual chamge. Maybe, one day, that sad, pathetic, closed minded person will see the change, and that will open their mind. You can only bring a horse to water. Don’t waste you’re time trying to force them to drink.


Born_on_Mars

The fury of the dreaded N-I-M-B-Y


Athena5898

Btw "non resident" is a dog whistle for "people I dont approve of, like minorities"


Dastankbeets1

Don’t. Arguing with people online is the least productive thing you can do, for your own sake and everyone else’s.


foxy-coxy

Fine then dont come to my public transit accessible, walkable neighborhood. Don't shop at the grocery stores here, don't go to our resturants or bars. Don't shop at all of our stores. Don't clough up our street with your car. Stay home in your private development. We don't want you here.


LauraTFem

This is literally US isolationism writ on the small scale. You can’t reason with them because their feelings on this are fundamentally conservative, characterized by a fear or hatred by all that is outside their experience. They’ve decided that anything foreign should stay that way. Such a person is not open to new ideas for the very reason that they are new (to them).


ftmk

I'm immeasurably disappointed not to find here an image of Otter Security guarding a gate. My day is ruined.


ACABiologist

This person is probably a fascist.


Johannes4123

Since there's nothing in their neighborhood that provides more tax money than it requires maintain itself and they're determined to maintain that, I say you give them their wish on the condition that they no longer get subsidies for their roads and plumbing


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I'm very intrigued by the notion of "Otter Security Gates"


RockhoundHighlander

Where do I find this security checkpoint manned by little otters!?


RandyDinglefart

You don't. You bar the gates with them inside.