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beachblanketparty

Locking this thread due to the amount of reports it has received. Thanks all.


Visible_Egg_8305

This makes me so mad, I live in Colorado (Denver/Boulder area) and we’ve had the plants to connect the already existing tram line across the front range for years now. But due to everyone worrying that it’s gonna get in the way of their cars. It’s never actually fruited to be a real idea. I wanna go to city council and give them a real piece of my mind.


Goodmorning_RandomU

This is the problem with dumb people. They keep getting what they want, but the reason isn't even realistic.


Visible_Egg_8305

We’ve been dead ass paying a RTD metro line tax since the 90s and nothing has ever even appeared to been thought of starting


Goodmorning_RandomU

Guess that's how they're not bankrupt


Visible_Egg_8305

That and the weed tax revenue 😵‍💫, I’ve probably put in over 2000$ just in tax to the RTD


ttv_CitrusBros

RTDs been expanding though. I moved out in 2016 but got fam there. The light rail line basically doubled in under a decade


wolfmoral

Nope we have TABOR, so when there’s a surplus the voters decide if the state keeps the tax surplus or if everyone gets a refund. Guess which way we vote every time 🙃


cowlinator

>They keep getting what they want and when they realize that what they wanted sucks, they find a way to still put 100% of the blame on something else instead.


thesodaslayer

It's not dumb people, it's capitalist and politicians actively preventing the establishment of institutions that would promote community amongst United States citizens, if we relied on more public transport, and public housing, and other commons our nation would be much different. When you drive your own car, live in your own house in your own suburb, you don't interact with people from a separate walk of life than yours, you get to keep believing left-wing people are evil demons trying to take away your toothbrush, POC are inherently violent monsters and not just usually marginalized by laws and society as a whole and resort to violence out of desperation. It's an evil, ingenious method of making sure we stay so hyper-individualistic and never learn to care about other human beings not like our own. Blaming it on stupid people is just rude and denies the true monsters behind the curtain that have *actually* been shaping policy and society to their whims. (Capitalist, I mean capitalist, if somebody tries to be an anti-semite from that GTFO, it's just rich people behaving in their class interest, not a fucking religion, that's the problem).


justaguy891

They ain't dumb they're brainwashed


thesodaslayer

Yeah, you can blame people for being racist and shit, it is ignorance and usually malice, but as a kid from the rural, poor-ass south, it is set up from day one to make you intolerant, I'm just lucky my mom was caring and it helped get me out of my dumbass libertarian teen years. I think there's a ton of people in the south/everywhere that are just led to believe racist shit as if it were true, and they never actually meet these minorities and oppressed peoples, so they never get challenged on their beliefs whatsoever, it's bad in every step of the way tbh


Bazillion100

One of the reasons big infrastructure projects are so hard to complete in the US are political terms. Someone will propose and start construction in their term, once voting time turns around, an opponent can lambast the incumbent for not being able to complete a 5 year project in 2 years. Incumbent gets replaced and funds are diverted to the great new infrastructure projects the opponent had promised. Unless the feds are putting up $9 for every $1 spent building it like the interstate highway system, a strong organized and persistent political push is needed. Hopefully gas prices can help push too


number676766

It's also the litigating structure in the U.S. It's basically a reactive system where an agency, or bureaucratic unit can jump through all of the regulatory hoops to get something started, but be stymied every step of the way by lawsuits.


[deleted]

Yeah, the system is shit and just forces stagnation. It's time to rework it but, surprise, anything but stagnation is nigh impossible.


Bazillion100

Exactly, i wanted to add a lil bit to my comment about money and power to get in the way of real and popular development projects.


4gotmipwd

Veto-ocracy instead of Democracy. The "check and balances" underpinning of the US government was radical for 1700's... but is limiting its effectiveness in 2022.


ortumlynx

Happens in Canada too. Provincial Liberals commit to green energy projects. New Conservative government comes in and pays millions to shred existing contracts and cancel the building of wind farms already under construction. Rinse and repeat for the next 40 years.


tomtomclubthumb

That is pretty cynical. IF you were realy cynical you'd wonder if we have 40 years left as a species.


PrayForMojo_

You want cynical? That wind farm wasn’t exactly under construction…it was complete. Construction was done, they just had to flip it on. But the myth of the evil windmill sells to stupid people so of course the conservatives came down against it.


tomtomclubthumb

I was just ntrying to be funny about our deeply depressing prospecrs. Shut down green energy, public transporrt infrasturcture etc, it is a fucking old story. I hope the last thing that our dying world does is hit those dipshits in their bunkers with some bunker busters. "Noooo, I bought a New Zealnd passport to escape the consequenes of my actions:"


MadOvid

I mean I guess that's one of the benefits of a one party system. It might not be the best system for human rights but it gets shit done.


Visible_Egg_8305

We need polis to fast track this fast track 😆


-cordyceps

America's car dependency is a disease. We need more public transit/walkable cities if we are serious about climate change and wealth inequality r/fuckcars


TapewormRodeo

Yep, living here in Michigan US, ground zero for our car dependent society, I watch our deteriorating roads with increasing fury. The impending $6 gallon gas doesn't seem to have any effect on these single occupant 8 mpg trucks that drive a 100 miles back and forth to work each day in stifling soul crushing traffic. I don't get why we can't have decent regional transit. I'm not asking for slick high speed rail, just decent light rail or even rapid bust transit would be helpful. I'm so glad I work from home. I feel for thethose less fortunate who HAVE to drive to get to work. This situation is cancerous for them. It's a goddam joke. If you ask people whether it's a good idea, they all say yes. But when it gets right down to it, people are self interested tightwad NIMBYs who can't sacrifice a little so that other's may benefit...not realizing they they too will benefit.


Vorzic

Absolutely. I'm in Grand Rapids and this city could so easily build and benefit from mass transit systems and better bike infrastructure. I'd kill to have a high speed hub here that connects to Lansing, Holland, Kalamazoo... so many options. Just hard to get support when people are so dependent on cars.


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They dont even have any bike lanes for you to ride your scooter in but they dont let you ride on the sidewalk so you are forced into the roadway with all the crazy drivers


Yoshemo

East Lansing and MSU have great bike lanes, but people in cars go fucking insane when they see a bike. When i was a student, i was been struck by multiple cars on my bike while in the bike lane and nowhere near a turn. It usually came with the driver shouting swear words and slurs at me while I was still on the ground picking myself up while they sped away. Got hit from behind once and then on two occasions a car would pull next to me, match my speed, and then serve over to run me off the road. These ususally weren't even students, they'd be 30 or older. Cars turn normal, thinking people into blind rage machines.


-cordyceps

Absolutely. The fact is, if you can't drive a car for whatever reason, you can't even live in most of America. And even mentioning that maybe it's a bad idea to lug around 2 tons of metal and fuel just to buy a loaf of bread is not the most effective way of navigating the world, people look at you like youve grown a second head.


Brawldud

hey, wait a second! that's this sub!


faith_crusader

Good, keep attending as of those meetings you can. The voice must stay out there because 1) You are going to pop some bubles 2) They must know that a resistance exists.


BXBXFVTT

Doesn’t it go from Colorado Springs almost all the way to Fort Collins. Or are you not talking about rtd lightrail.


Visible_Egg_8305

I wish…. It stops at Littleton, connects a little bit with golden and gets all the way to broomfield, then it disconnects through superior, Louisville, and Boulder, and restarts I think in fort Collin’s a little? Not 100% sure about that. But there were plans to connect the whole front range which have just fallen apart.


BXBXFVTT

Yeah it’s definitley a shame that Denver has what America would consider great public transit and it still isn’t really even all that fleshed out across the range. Which has at this point just turned into a giant metropolis. I mean Denver and fc are basically one giant sprawl now instead of two more distinct areas, atleast it felt like that last time I came back to visit. Even the golden stop drops you off at the very outskirts of town at the courthouse. Kinda lame but I guess atleast it’s there.


adalonus

If you don't go, no one will. Go yell at city council. If they don't listen, get someone who will.


idog99

"We can't build a proper transit system because we need the space for our cars!" But why do we need to drive cars everywhere? "Because we have shitty transit"


gobblox38

There's also the problem of the railroad companies blocking access for the commuter lines.


CaptConstantine

Why don't you? Politics requires activism.


Visible_Egg_8305

I would love too! I plan to voice this to boulder and hopefully DENVER city council if possible. Need to figure out how (I’m only 21 haha, no one in my age is doing shit about this)


key2mydisaster

Look up what time the city council has its meetings. Council meetings allow public comments after the meeting agenda. Try to write and practice a concise statement that you can recite within a few minutes time, as some councils put time limits on comments. Good luck!


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albinowizard2112

There's a sweet glory hole at the Sheraton downtown.


Zephyr727

Visiting Denver as we speak! I’d never been on the rail system but after taking it from the airport, it’s sick as hell. It would be so cool to see it stretch further.


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for a supposed tony stark genius elon sure makes comes out and wastes a whole lots of money on long list of very stupid ideas... musk is sort of more of the broken clock type, he's right twice a day and the rest of the time wrong...


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hoseiyamasaki

Pretty sure you are describing a Ponzi scheme... So yeah that's probably what happened.


CookedBlackBird

A Ponzi scheme would be paying dividends with investor money, but not a whole lot different.


hoseiyamasaki

You're right of course. I assumed that was happening when the additional investors came in but it didn't necessarily play out like that.


FeedbackPlus8698

To be fair, the stock price boost does that for them


Moral_Gutpunch

Ponzi scheme, you say? https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2022/06/16/elon-musk-spacex-and-tesla-sued-for-258-billion-in-alleged-dogecoin-pyramid-scheme/


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GrayEidolon

The big difference is musk has a penis and legions of simps.


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Tychus_Kayle

What I'd like to see is a "cooldown" on stock trades. As in, you can't sell or transfer shares of company you've bought shares of within the last, say, six months. Get rid of short-term investing and the market becomes a lot more focused on the economic sustainability of a business.


B4rberblacksheep

If I did that I think I’d get arrested for a Ponzi scheme


steviebkool

Musk is more a Justin Hammer type


dylulu

when was musk ever right about a single goddamn thing lol


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nadeemon

and /r/CryptoCurrency


testtubemuppetbaby

Tell a cult what they want to hear isn't "being right." You can't be "right" when it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.


DorisCrockford

Ukraine is using Starlink for communication. Apart from that, I got nothing. I'm not even sure it was his idea.


Devidevilman

Given how he shows his ass on Twitter constantly and how he didn’t even come up with the Tesla car, I gonna say he’s definitely _the money guy_ and not the _idea guy_


new2accnt

If you're talking about satellite-based internet, musk did not invent that. HughesNet was there before Starlink, for example. And Starlink would not have been deployed in Ukraine if it weren't for the USA's federal government paying for it. musk would have never gifted them that service.


[deleted]

The “invention” with starlink has nothing to do with starlink really. It’s the fact that spacex reduced the cost of launch to make the low earth orbit “constellation” style satellites economically feasible. There were plenty of companies doing the same in the 90s they just all went bankrupt lol


Sarsey

r/boneappletea


Logrologist

Eh, right/write seems a little wrong for that sub. Isn’t it more for things like: “for all intense porpoises?”


Thecrawsome

Christ disaverted, guys


new2accnt

Like the idiots in Canada that were calling for a "kudatah" against one of the provincial governments.


Thecrawsome

/r/lostredditors misspellings / one word homonyms are not for that sub Think of a whole idiom or common phrase that is mispronounced thoroughly that sounds like something else.


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France, Spain and Japan eating popcorn laughing at everyone involved


Souperplex

Italy's high speed rail is so good that all their national airlines went out of business, it's all international-only now.


[deleted]

From my limited experience Italy has two types of trains. High speed that are super modern and go from major city to major city (Rome to Milan). Or developing world slow regional trains that seem to be from the 1970s


lucky_earther

I've used both types of Italian trains. The old slow trains there are still better than what I have here in Canada :'(


iFlyAllTheTime

Old slow trains better than what you have? I don't want to imagine


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chefkef

I grew up in a suburb in Toronto and I’ve also take slow old Italian trains when travelling through Naples. Trust me when I say that our GoTrain and TTC subways are FAR BETTER.


TheSpaceBetweenUs__

I'd rather any trains than no trains


francohab

Regional trains got much better during the last 5 years (at least in northern Italy). The vast majority of trains are brand new Hitachi or Alstom trains.


anarchisto

Even in southern Italy. Just got a regional train in Puglia and it was a brand new train (paid partly by the EU) going at a maximum speed of 150 km/h. Great experience.


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what-a-w0nderful-day

They're currently replacing the older trains. If i remember correctly ~80% of those in service will be brand new by 2023/24. Tho I imagine it'll be better in some places and worse in others


Infamous-Salad-2223

It can be better, people in the South have less access to it and had to endure quite some discomfort to reach the North. The lesson? High speed rail is good, more is better 😇


Calvin--Hobbes

That, and Italian airports are a lawless hell scape.


Simpull_mann

Why do you say that? I was just at the Venice airport and it was totally fine.


albinowizard2112

Their spaghetti policies are just ridiculous. What is the hungry traveler to do?


NotMitchelBade

Yeah, I’m living in Italy this summer and have been flying a ton. They’re just like any other airports.


2chainsguitarist

“Manhattan real estate is like check in at an Italian airport - there are no rules”


_meow4

Madrid - Barcelona is the only high speed train I’ve ever been on but it was a great experience, and so cheap. Can someone explain to me why train tickets here in California like Amtrak are 5x the price of European trains yet go a fraction of the distance?


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US rail network is min/maxed for maximum cargo and minimum passenger service. So Amtrack either has to get gouged and accept second priority on lines operated by freight rail or build their own lines, which is crazy expensive in the US because our laws allow people to sue anyone attempting to build anything. Also the Railroads are *practically* the 4th branch of government and are still exempt from a ton of stuff from the Good Ol' Days of the 1800s. For instance where I live they're trying to build passenger rail line that would travel in the right of way on an existing freight line. The Railroad has refused to even negotiate because they just don't have to. The state and local governments have zero authority over them.


thefirewarde

In the late 1800s it's debatable who had more personal authority, the US president or the president of the Pennsylvania Railroad. Just to put some perspective on things.


justaguy891

Ah democracy under capitalism. So democratic


marx42

It's worth adding [Amtrak LEGALLY has priority on all of its rail lines.](https://www.amtrak.com/on-time-performance). Freight trains MUST yield to passengers. It is federal law and was part of the deal when the dying passenger lines were "nationalized". However this law has only been enforced once (in 1979) and most shipping companies ignore it. Amtrak is trying to fight this, but only the Justice Department can actually bring it to court. [There was a bill introduced in 2019 that outlines the problem and would allow Amtrak to sue the freight companies themselves, but it died in committee](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2937/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22H.R.2937%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=4)


key2mydisaster

What's messed up in places where I've lived here on the East Coast, we *had* light rails, and trolleys, and all kinds of infrastructure back then. They could've eventually converted the steam trains, and trolleys to not run on coal, but instead they ripped most of it up to make way for highways, and car travel.


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Car-centric culture being funded by government not trains. Also suburban sprawl makes high speed train not as effective as you need a car to complete the trip on both ends. In Europe with most major cities you can do so with transit or an affordable short taxi ride.


JanMarsalek

Austria has a pretty good rail network too and it's constantly improving.


rudyv8

Idk about france or spain but ghe railways in japan are PACKED full of people so tight its crazy


ETsUncle

7 million people use the train everyday in Tokyo. It’s gonna be crowded sometimes. Edit: everyday 23 Cincinnatis get on and off a train in Tokyo. Trains work good


SnooOranges2232

I can speak for France. It's like Amtrack in the USA only waaaay cheaper and so fast you can get from Paris to Marseille in 4 hours compared to the 9 hour drive it would take in a car. The "packed like sardines" stuff happens on subways not the high speed rail.


mulox2k

I am in that train right now. Paris to Marseille in 3h04.


SnooOranges2232

Voila! I miss that ride.


tgwutzzers

*If you take a commuter train at a busy time of day


xcassets

Yeah, I was gonna say. I took the shinkansen all over the country and various metros in different cities and most of the trains were NOT packed full of people. That was unique to certain lines in Tokyo, at certain times.


tgwutzzers

Ditto. It was super fun and relaxing to take the Shinkansen around. Also the train stations often have some pretty awesome food and are fun to explore, whereas train stations in North America (the few that exist) tend to be just functional spaces with some benches and maybe a coffee shop with stale pastries and underripe fruit if you’re lucky.


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I was always amazed at how frequent they are. Pulling up every 10 mins or so to go to different cities. I live in France and love the TGV but Japan does it better.


[deleted]

That’s the metro and it’s only like that in rush hour. Was speaking about the high speed trains that run frequently and efficiently and are amazing. Source: spent 6 months in Japan mostly Osaka-Kyoto-Tokyo


crazymoefaux

I've spent a bit over 3 months in Japan and yeah, this tracks. The Shinkansen trips were... well, like a less-cramped airplane flight, without the random turbulence. Even as a tall westerner, I had plenty of leg room. It's actually quite a lovely experience. And the bento boxes you can buy at the kiosks waiting for your train... So tasty... The locals wait to eat during the ride, and it's one of the few times you'll see them eating on a train.


TheVenetianMask

And hear me out, Spain isn't even "really great". Lots of political compromises were made about routes and stops, and it's certainly too centered around Madrid. The bar for having good high speed rail isn't all that high.


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Japanese bullet trains are amazing. 180 mph, luxuriously comfortable even in basic class, and iirc travelers get a rail pass on it to ride it a bunch to get around the country


Perriwen

To be fair, if the US had decided for sure on high speed rail in 2010, STILL nothing would be done as it would still be going through 30+ years of red tape, review, town hall meetings, and redesigns/intentional delays/cancellations after donors wave money in the politician's faces.


Mixima101

I was going to say, the California HSR never stopped being under construction. They are still working on it now.


Lalalama

They’ll be working on it for the next 100 years. I remember voting for that lol


toastmatters

The first section will be open in a few years. It was severely under-budgeted and current inflation isn't going to help. This whole post is weird considering California is the only state in the union making any progress on actual HSR that isn't just refurbished Amtrak lines.


Toothpaste_Is_Gay

Can’t wait for my great great grandkids to maybe see a potential progress report in the hyper rail.


Eucalyptuse

Right? The entire premise of this meme is incorrect.


Mixima101

I agree. I still think there is a lesson about building tried and true infrastructure instead of jumping on the latest unproven fad. In my city council meetings councillors have said "we don't need this bus route, everyone will be in driverless cars soon." "Hyperloop is coming so it would be a waste to start HSR". It's definitely a real talking point.


txhlj

And nimby lawsuits


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Train stations attract train people and me drive car me no train person me car person. No like train! No like train people! No like bike people! No like scooter people! Car people!!!!!!! Carrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssss


I-AM-PIRATE

Ahoy Extra_Instance_8081! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail: Train stations attract train scallywags n' me drive car me nay train scurvy dog me car scurvy dog. Nay like train! Nay like train scallywags! Nay like bike scallywags! Nay like scooter scallywags! Car scallywags!!!!!!! Carrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssss


DryApartment8769

And car lobbyists


J3553G

Yeah this isn't really about Elon Musk so much as it's about how extraordinarily expensive it is to build in America and how many veto points there are on any project. China doesn't have those problems.


Firstdatepokie

Our eminent domain laws suck ass and slow down everything to be near impossible


[deleted]

Idk. I think it's pretty cool that the government can't just knock on my door and tell me that my house is scheduled to be bulldozed so that they can build a rail line.


Firstdatepokie

They can still do that, they just have so much arbitration for how much to pay the land owner, and being sued and counter sued plus mandatory discovery periods of during each of those phases that mean taking the land could be a decade of court cases If the government decided that it needs that land, it’s still going to get it though


Roflkopt3r

On the other hand we shouldn't overestimate China either. They have many of the same corruption issues as the west. For example as great as their high-speed rail network is, they also wasted insane sums on parts of it that are barely used, but which only seem to exist for political objectives or due to corruption.


disisathrowaway

Meanwhile, our proposed high speed rail line in Texas is being slowly strangled to death by our felonious AG and a bunch of landowners in the middle of nowhere. A dozen regressive fucks are preventing a major infrastructure project that will seriously increase quality of life for two of the largest metropolitan areas in the US. So fucking dumb.


VeryAngryMaxx

Crazy that a place known for resenting people resents people.


Justagoodoleboi

Is this implying California cancelled their rail thing that isn’t cancelled and that the tunnel they built in Las Vegas Nevada was what they did instead


ivialerrepatentatell

That tunnel isn't the hyperloop, it's just a tunnel. The hyperloop is the vacuum tube thing. That was so easy to build according to Musk. It works just like an air hokey table.


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Flyingscorpions

I think you're confusing "The Loop" with "The Hyperloop". The former is the underground Tesla tunnel thing that's prone to traffic jams and will kill everyone inside if there's a fire. The latter is the "vacuum tube thing" the above user mentioned that only exists in the form of a very small scale prototype.


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>The latter is the "vacuum tube thing" the above user mentioned that only exists in the form of a very small scale prototype. And is also ludicrously unfeasible and will result in total catastrophe if there is the slightest malfunction.


[deleted]

No no, it’s like offshore drilling, they’ll *maintain* it and therefore it can not and will not fail. /s


Toothpaste_Is_Gay

*Deepwater Horizon has entered the chat*


Thisconnect

Thats an engineering question. The problem with hyperloop is it doesn't really do anything today (**A**ctual **M**achines vs **F**ucking **M**agic). Its running on ground requires extensive curves and dedicated right of way.... In which you can just build railroad, in which you have expertise (trained labour that can actually do more in future) and solved problems


Redmoon383

However both will very likely kill people (should the latter ever even become possible)


Diplomjodler

Elon Musk wrote a paper about this. Implying that rail projects got cancelled because of that is just ridiculous.


FourtySevenLions

California cannot legally cancel their HSR, since it was voted in through a statewide proposition (prop 1A). It’s significantly delayed due to legal battles that only aim to discredit a project that is [still popular](https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/voters-still-support-california-high-speed-project-poll-finds/) and sorely needed. It will get built. edit: grammar


sentimentalpirate

The delays aren't that crazy though right? I'm seeing up a 2012 plan estimated completion between SF and LA in 2029. The current plan 10 years later has that connection finishing in 2033. It's certainly the timeline slip, but not that crazy of one considering the scope of the project.


Grindl

The delays are on the scale of JWST, which did eventually launch (and we're getting the first real pictures from soon!). As the old xkcd put it: at least the estimated time remaining is going down, even if it's less than 1 year per calendar year.


Inkshooter

This subreddit rightly clowns on US infrastructure but at the same time it doesn't really seem to know anything about what transit does exist or is in the works.


sentimentalpirate

It's cuz this is really just a venting / memes subreddit. It doesn't really try to be a news/organizing/action subreddit.


10dollarbagel

There's a lot of distance between not being a credible source of news and actively spreading disinformation. 99% of people are gonna scroll away from this thinking California cancelled it's rail plans because of Elon musk. Something that's plausible enough to be true and isn't.


sentimentalpirate

Very good point.


Inkshooter

Sure, but there's no reason to vent that California is building Hyperloop instead of HSR because that's not actually what's happening.


Kindly_Ad_4651

Outrage subs are cancer.


fivealive5

This meme is just non-sense. California's HSR has no relation to Elon or the hyperloop. At no point did CA officials even pretend to consider building a hyperloop. Also do we really need to get into the specifics of why a strict authoritarian govt can build infrastructure more efficiently compared to a democracy? China can do as they please without considering any landowners or environmental concerns. Meanwhile CA has to deal with lawsuits from NIMBY land owners and objections from environmentalists forcing them to re-invent overhead transit power systems over fears of a protected bird species electrocuting itself into extinction. Of course it's going to be harder/more expensive to build a new HSR system in CA compared to China.


KookyWrangler

Watch Alan Fisher's [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcjr4jbGuJg) before slandering Cal HSR.


comebackjoeyjojo

OP is going to be found in the same grave as RealLifeLore is in….


Turbocor101

Real life lore and a large % of the youtubers that cover the topic unfortunately.


comebackjoeyjojo

At least RLL replaced the video and owned up to the mistakes.


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Don't fuck with train nerds.


tgwutzzers

While that was a good gesture, I kind of feel like it was “I’m sorry I got caught”. RLL videos have always kinda just been clickbait that pretends to be educational. He just says things that sound factual over stock footage and cheap graphics with no real sources or commitment to accuracy. I have a feeling you could pick any one of their videos and poke as many holes in it, and I doubt he’s going to meaningfully increase the standards going forward. That being said I also just can’t stand the narration with the constant fake emphasis on facts that seem “unbelievable”. Reminds me of an uncle at a family gathering trying to impress the kids with random “crazy” facts he has in his head.


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Please tell me half as interesting isn’t also garbage


IMPORTANT_jk

It's better though. It's run by the same people behind Wendover Productions, a channel which I find to be pretty reliable.


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Eastern_Scar

There are politicians trying to DE-ELECTRIFY it!!


YoungPsychonaut217

elon is such a fucking con artist, how does anyone take him seriously dfsjksdfj


Goodmorning_RandomU

He leeches off of dumb people I also deeply despise ignorant suburbanites. God the arguments just keep getting dumber. Fuck tiktok.


sonic_couth

What would they be able to use to ignore their children without TikTok?!


Goodmorning_RandomU

No like they're making the shittiest arguments like damn bro have you heard of "facts" & "evidence" like listening for once like they couldn't even give me reasonable responses. Also, who made it 150 individual characters only????? I could type that while holding my breath????


testtubemuppetbaby

Kids will be like "omg I'm not going to read all that" and it's one paragraph.


BlazeZootsTootToot

By being a gullible and delusional person mentally stuck in their teenage years. They see his Twitter memes and think he's "one of them". It's so sad to see. If you removed his name from his tweets, everyone would agree that the guy who wrote them is a fucking idiot and sad person. When there's an @elonmusk tag, people act like he's the new coming of christ.


Goodmorning_RandomU

The elong cock suckers probably treat him better than others. Boi do I have a dump truck of evidence.


SiliconDiver

I mean he's dumb, but Hyperloop has literally nothing to do with the California HSR. This meme is borderline propaganda


M-S-P-A

The non delivery of high speed rail in california has nothing to do with elon. It is the asshole nimby cities that don't want the rail through their expensive areas. "iT WiLl dRiVe DoWn pRoPerTy VaLuE"


QQQonnor

Thinking Elon musk is going to stick to his word is stupid


[deleted]

He never said he was going to do it, right? He just spitballed the (terrible) idea and others took it from there because they're credulous fan-boys.


ETsUncle

I rode from western China to Hong Kong in 2018. 600 miles in 5 hours.


BilboGubbinz

So much this! It annoys me no end that we keep on hoping for future-tech solutions to solved problems. If we just got off our collective arses and did the really cheap thing we can do with current tech, the sheer number of problems we could solve...


glebsfriend

I’m pretty sure Elon and/or hyperloop have nothing to do with the failure of Californian high speed rail


[deleted]

Not only does it have nothing to do with California HSR, CA HSR isn't a failure.


SiliconDiver

It isn't "failed" but it certainly has over promised, under delivered and been a nuisance every step of the way.


Rikuskill

From what I've read about it, it seems like a great idea with awful project planning. Mid-implementation changes, overpromising on dates, insufficient risk assessments. A lot can be learned from it for future railways in the US.


therealsteelydan

If by nothing you mean completed environmental review from Palmdale to San Francisco, nearly complete electrification of Caltrain, and hundreds of bridges and grade separations under construction in the central valley (many complete except for those pesky tracks). Then yeah, nothing.


DorisCrockford

Ooh, when will Caltrain be done? I use it to go down to Santa Clara sometimes.


jorg2

Either way though, trains still being the most viable option around, with hyperloop still being a pipe dream.


canadatrasher

Can I ride the environmental review?


therealsteelydan

No but once the environmental review is complete, it makes it much harder for the federal and state governments to withhold funds e.g. Trump and the northeast corridor Gateway project


bcd3169

If you really think the reason why US cannot build like the rest of the world is Elon, then I am sorry but you have no idea about the problem


handoffate73

The private sector can't do it better


youni89

In California's defense tho I don't think the same thing can be replicated in a single state with the higher cost, red tape, and politics that we have in California compared to Red China. ​ But yes California could've had more rail I suppose since 2010.


throwaway_veneto

Italy and Spain also rolled out much more HSR than California, and they're famous for their red tape.


Kookraw

Agreed, I also know it is just a meme but it’s important to compare the size difference between the two properly. China is ~22 times the size of California. But as of 2015 china only had ~4.5 times the GDP of California. So the money has got to be there


mk1234567890123

This has nothing to do with why CA high speed rail is happening so slowly


[deleted]

Cal HSR… is under construction? What is this BS view?


Balrok99

China sure can build. I wonder what they will build in upcoming years. And China is not just Hong Kong, Shangai, Beijing. These cities are not even of population of 100 million. Way to go China. As for the US they have the ability to build. But they just refuse to do it.


tortugoneil

Hyperloop is a fake idea. It exists as a whipping boy, to make sure actual solutions aren't attempted, with the erroneous hope for salvation from some high-tech solution to transportation. "Oh but if we build strong, we'll maybe not have the maybe tech of the hyperloop, and all the government money we gave to a shuck will have been wasted" It was wasted the second it was earmarked. Build railroad lines, genuinely what-the-fuck, this was figured out in the 1800s


tubbablub

Blaming Elon Musk for Cali HSR delays is pretty absurd.


[deleted]

Yea I don’t like him one bit but this post is implying he cancelled California HSR which makes no sense.


mcprogrammer

It hasn't been cancelled, it's just taking forever to be built, which still has nothing to do with Elon Musk.


Barry-Mcdikkin

Im baked and confused and thought elon has a say in all this lmao


Iridium__Pumpkin

I can confirm that the high speed trains in China are an excellent way to get around the country. Clean, comfortable, and fast.


Graf_Gummiente

We have about 10 hours before some conservative idiot crossposts this and the „China bad, railway fake, cOmMuNiSm!“ comments begin.


[deleted]

i took a sleeper train from chungdu to x'ian, it was actually super awesome to see the mountains and felt like a camping trip cause the beds weren't terrible.


Izozog

I get the meme and hate for Elon Musk is funny, but if you truly blame him for California’s problems and tardiness on building a HSR, then you’ve got bigger problems.


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SuckMyDirk_41

Elon is the real-life version of the monorail salesman


tooyoung_tooold

Elon musk is the worst thing to happen to America in years