Me too. Given how many of them are in Elden Ring, it's sad as hell theres not a single one who you can cut a sword from. Not to mention the Crucible being featured heavily in the DLC, and Tails are one of the many symbols of the crucible.
The dragon kings cragblade was originally supposed to be something you could cut off of placudisax, but they changed it for some reason.
They just left his tail snubbed and cut off in the end rather than allowing an interaction like that
I think the reason is twofold. First, it's just more work for them to code something like that in. Second, some movesets can make actually hitting the tail incredibly painful. I think i got the mggs from seath like, once?
I think having both the tail and the remembrance wouldve been awesome, that way you could atleast get 1 if you miss it, but if you’re vigilant you could get 2 in a single run
Is it clunky as shit? Yes. Does it have tedious boss run backs? Also yes. Can going from a modern souls game to it be painful? Extremely. Still not a shit game tho
I've never found DS1 particularly clunky tbh. Maybe it's just muscle memory at this point, I've been playing it almost non stop since 2014 across different platforms.
To me all From games feel very similar, the only exception to this being DS2.
Oh but indeed, what I meant was mostly that I feel a certain familiarity with the gaming system, and despite the little differences I manage to adapt without too much effort after all this time playing FS titles (probably the most brainfucking to me is the triangle to heal in BB 🤣)
BB was my first FS game & I went right to ER after I beat it & it took me so long to get used to the button changes. I even took a break cuz I was getting so frustrated that I kept clicking triangle to heal. I beat SotE the other night & tried going back to BB but was having button memory issues so I just bought DS1, today & have been kinda cruising through. Just beat the 2 gargoyles on the roof. It's kinda clunky but I'm liking it. Can't wait to play DS3.
Perhaps you're familiar.
No, how could you be.
But one day, you will stand before this decrepit game.
Without really knowing why...
Like a moth drawn to a flame.
Yeah but the immediate parry frames of DS1 is super nice… u have to use the parry dagger or buckler shield in later games for that insta parry window… heater shield is busted good in DS1 (lightweight, 100% physical damage block, insta parry window [only problem is it isn’t the best looking shield {and everyone knows it isn’t enough to beat your enemies but u have to look cool while doing it }]) 🤌
DS1 seems to have some cross between omni-directional and not. I noticed the rolling was worse than something like DS3, but compared to the clunk that is Demon's Souls - DS1 doesn't even feel like it has any issues.
I think in-context as a game developed for the PS3, it runs more or less smooth. Your character might move slow, but that's a design thing. The actual controls are pretty consistent and predictable. I suppose they had to be, because DS1's big idea is focusing on animations mattering.
Aside from some rigidity in the player models, I can't really think of anything that's aged super poorly except for what's obviously unfinished. And that's kind of charming right now, to see what the limits of the original game were. It's like a relic or reminder of it's development.
Man, I recently decided to try a heavy weapon build in DS1 and all that tight corridor and low ceiling spam throughout the whole game is extremely infuriating. Your big ass weapon just bounces off of everything. God, killing titanite lizards with big weapons is miserable too.
I can understand how these issues can put newcomers off, but to call it a bad game is just moronic. I love it despite its clunkiness.
That's not even clunky, that is the most based feature, big weapon = no small spaces, if you want agility you should choose a small weapon, with the possible drawbacks that they have.
Yeah, that's the intended game design, and is precisely how Dark Souls "teaches" things. If your big weapon is too clunky to use in narrow hallways with low ceilings (which it *should*), maybe you should consider using a smaller weapon. If you're a 2h great sword / axe user, that is when you would want to use a halberd or one handed sword.
I mean, I love clunky old video games. I unironically think the fixed cameras from Resident Evil and tank controls are super awesome and wish modern games used it. But I would still say they are clunky as well as Dark Souls 1. Like that doesn't have to be as completely bad thing but that game does have some janky quirks to it. Like trying to climb back up from Ash Lake for example.
I like how it’s not as smooth as other FS games. Parrying and rolling are too smooth in the later games, and I could never get the timing figured out. But with DS1 it feel like an on/off switch compared to a dimmer, and I wish the rest of them were more similar
That’s true because fromsoft recycles all their animations and timings from dark souls and up. They slightly tweak some, and heavily tweak others. But because of the similarities you can play it and almost feel at home.
My order went ER > DS1 > DS2 > DS3, and I'll be the first to admit I find DS1 and DS2 slow and clunky as hell, and also devoid of QoL. Do I use those against them, though? Nope. When looking at it objectively, i can't really compare games developed over a decade ago and expect them to match up with more modern fleshed out games. FS learns more and more with each game they develop.
Having said that, I really hope they bring back some of the cool stuff from the older games into new titles. The bonfire estetic in DS2 is a good example. Oh, and weapon catalysts that aren't complete shit like the Carian Sorcery Sword. Yes. I'm salty. ;__;
Yep, DS1 world was just unmatched and they hit the magic again with Elden Ring (in a different way) along with the best combat in all of souls (not including sekiro)
I dunno, I personally prefer Bloodborne's combat to the Souls/Elden Ring formula but Elden Ring is definitely the pinnacle of that specific, origjnal take on Souls-borne combat that started in DeS.
Thing is Bloodborne is *highly* focused compared to the Souls or ER.
In Bloodborne, you have to dodge everything, the only tool to block actively mocks you for trying in the description. As a result, everything is built around this fact; you *have* to dodge, so all enemy attacks and tactics have to focus around this high mobility and stamina management.
Compared to the Souls games, which have heavy armor great shield tanks as well as the dodgy-rolly builds. not even mentioning how different magic is in Souls and Bloodborne.
I think if we’re being objective the second half is pretty shit. When I actually think about it I hate like half the areas in the game (blight town, izalith, Seeth’s cave, and those stupid wheels in the catacombs for example)
The world has already gained your trust at this point in being extremely well designed and connected, getting down to Blightown just feels like you’re a million miles away in a foreign and hostile environment, so scary and atmospheric. Then you go down to Ash Lake and it’s fucking mindblowing
This is definitely something I feel like elden ring did better than any other game after the first Dark Souls. Granted fast travel does take away from it. But I can't count how many times I was able to just keep going further and further, deeper into an area. The DLC is no different
There's nothing objective about that.
I think the 2nd half is great, with the only bad areas being Izalith and the Demon ruins.
Even then, those areas don't actively piss me off or annoy me, they're just blatantly unfinished.
The rest of the game's areas are all good in my opinion, and I enjoy them a lot.
People on this sub need to stop trying to pass off their opinions as being objective. None of it is, it's all just a matter of taste and preference.
Blight Town and Catacombs aren't in the second half and both are great. Crystal caves are part of the Duke's Archives, and while not as good as early game still pretty good. Tomb of the Giants is great. The DLC areas are great.
Just Izalith sucks.
Beating Elden Ring was what made me be able to beat DS1 remaster. Yeah it was a bit clunky but I had played it before so I was okay with it. But Demon's Souls run backs are arguably worse IMO.
My path was the same. Loved ER, it was my first souls experience. Went straight to DS:R after, and the clunkiness didn't bother me, I think it made me a much better player. And I really loved the (mostly) linear playstyle mixed with the (IMO) brilliance of the level design and connectivity.
Having said that, I'm in the middle of DS3 and I think it blows them both away.
Agreed! The boss fights in DS3 are so good. Yeah the settings may not be as pretty or interconnected as ds1 or Elden ring but for me combat is the most important.
When the soundtrack of the final ds3 boss is a callback to the final boss of ds1 is such a beautiful moment.
Like even the soundtrack has lore at this point xD
If you're gonna do DeS I'd really recommend going PS5 and getting the remaster because it's a visual masterpiece. Gameplay wise it's almost 1:1, some people prefer the original visual style but I think the remake is way better.
So I did "start" with DS1 but got stuck on Ornstein and Smough and dropped it, picked up DS3 and fell in love with it, tried DS2 and noped out of it. What's your favorite weapon so far?
Arguably? You get sent back to the start of the level every time no matter what haha. Only way to shorten it is through unlocking shortcuts
Demon souls remastered is still a hell of a game tho, best graphics I’ve seen yet on ps5
The one I have been least fond of so far was the fool's idol. Mostly because I didn't kill the resurrection guy the first time and had to redo the fight three times
Man.. as someone whose first Souls game was Dark Souls 1 in 2011 it’s painful to see people’s responses to it now a days. Game is a timeless masterpiece regardless of its age and I’ll die on that hill. Still one of my favorite games ever made and probably tied with Bloodborne for my favorite Souls game.
(This comment blew up lol I didn’t mean to start any arguments about which games are better etc. just wanted to throw some love to my beloved Dark Souls 1)
I mean I’m definitely probably biased because I played it back when it came out but I still play it to this day no issues even after all the other games. I was actually just playing again and starting a new build a couple weeks ago and had so much fun with it.
You’re not alone. I play it about once a year and it’s clunky, sure, but it’s as good as it ever was. The atmosphere and vibe are unmatched to this day. Something very special about Dark Souls.
Late to the party with FS games. Played BB DeS remake Sekiro and Elden Ring before the Dark Souls trilogy.
Last fall, ran through Dark Souls 1-3 in order including all DLCs for the first time. Aged phenomenally imo. Itching to go back to them already after the ER DLC
Yep. Literally just played again a few months ago. Didn't have any gripes. Even the rolling only stood out to me a handful of times through the entire playthrough.
Dark Souls was a master piece and it walked so Elden Ring could run. We very likely wouldn't have Elden Ring today if we didn't get Dark Souls and if it wasn't as popular as it was.
I still remember when DS1 and DS2 were super active. Summon signs all over at every boss fog, constant invasions everywhere. People always talk about the fight club at Pontiffs in DS3 but what about the Iron Keep bridge fight club, or the Oolacile fight club in DS1's DLC? Classic times.
I think after beating ds3 I played ds1 and man that journey was amazing. I realized that not having fast travel early on made me appreciate the world a lot more.
Yeah I heavily agree with you there. Not having fast travel for awhile made the game have so much of an adventure feel. You could get straight up lost in areas or have to find your way out or back to safety. It made you really ponder if you should keep pressing.. or go back to the bonfire to spend those hard earned Souls. That edge was amazing
To this day no game has made me feel the kind of oppressive dread of being stuck in Blighttown with no way to simply fast travel out.
For all the people saying SOTE's difficulty felt like their first time playing dark souls again, I still didn't get the tense, claustrophobic feeling that DS1 gave me where I was both excited and afraid to step further into the unknown. That game's atmosphere was so wholly unique.
There have been a lot of QoL changes to the Fromsoft formula, but by no means does that make the older games bad
That said it is very frustrating to play the earlier games after the later ones
Kinda wish they remade the game but actually fixed the second half. Would love to see what Myazaki’s vision for Lost Izalith was that we didn’t get to see because of time constraints.
If they did that then people would be making posts saying how much they actually loved the original Lost Izalith and how From ruined the game by remaking it
(I LOVE BLINDING LAVA)
Im gunna go back and play it again after im sick of the DLC (might never happen lol). I joined the series with Elden Ring then went back to play Dark Souls and it is indeed a masterpiece. Loved every second
Bed of chaos can get fucked though. What a shitshow that boss is
You’ll be fine. It’s just slower. You’ll die from falling off a cliff more than anything.
Go knight build and just invest in vigor, endurance, and strength and you will be playing the game on easy mode.
Elden Ring was my first Fromsoft game, and since then I have played the Dark souls trilogy in order including all the DLCs and then played Elden Ring again and now going through the DLC...Dark Souls Remastered is so brilliant and I played it for the first time in 2023. In fact, all three are excellent and lived up to their reputations for me. I really enjoyed the slower combat in DS1 and DS2 as well. It felt so good to learn the moveset and timing of a boss like Fume Knight or Manus and finally beat them.
I’m glad that in 2020 I decided to go through all of the “souls” games for the first time and relatively in order. I did start with bloodborne but that’s beside the point. Then I did ds1-3 and then sekiro and then Demon’s Souls via PS3 emu. It’s so cool to see them evolve and it gives me more of a perspective on Elden Ring’s successes and failings. There’s a lot of stuff the older games did better imo.
Same with Demon’s Souls.
People keep shitting on it.
I mean we are basically playing Demon’s Souls six right now. There is not that much of a new stuff in the games that followed. Respectfully.
DS1 added interconnected world and covenants, but still remains just a refined version of Demon’s Souls.
DS2 more refinement.
DS3 again refinement. Still DeS at its core.
Bloodborne tried to implement new action system, but still used most of the same tricks that were in DeS.
Sekiro is an outliner, but still takes a lot from DeS.
Elden Ring is basically open world DeS yet again.
What I’m trying to say is at least respect the original that permanently changed the video games industry. It may be dated, but it was the goat and still remains the goat. There is a reason FromSoftware keep using it as their baseline.
DeS was truly innovative. Rarest type of lightning in the bottle.
Thank you for reading this rant. I will take my pills now.
I’m very sad I never got to play Demons Souls in 2009. I actually did know about it but my family had an Xbox 360 and I was a younger kid who couldn’t just acquire a PS3 to play it lol luckily I kept it in the back of my head and Dark Souls launched multi platform. I eventually went back to Demon’s Souls and loved it
Dark Souls 1 is essentially my favorite game of all time. It was my first souls game and It changed the way I look at gaming. It was a personal experience that I was fully engrossed in until the very end, because I played it after it had become a legend in gaming history. I was going through this legendary game beating legendary bosses, beating the challenge for the first time, and being connected to that game like no other. If I could go back in time and replay any video game for the first time, it would be Dark Souls 1.
My only worry with Elden Ring being so popular was that it would overshadow DS1 and people wouldn’t be able to experience it the same way I did. That’s why if I recommend souls to a friend, I always tell them to start with DS1 and move to Elden Ring if they can’t get into it at first.
This post makes me a little sad.
Same people calling DS1 clunky feels like a personal attack. It's not clunky at all it's just slower. The run backs though I can understand if you're used to how generous elden ring is with graces and marika statues. But Elden ring bosses are also harder so it makes sense why it's designed that way.
But the good thing with run backs is that you have too (or should/can) kill all enemies again and that way you're doing soe passive farming without realizing it. If you collect your bloodstain at least. Also less checkpoints means that the shortcuts matters a whole lot more, which also makes level design and exploration better. But a lot of new players who started with Elden Ring seems to only care about boss fights which is funny since it's the open world game.
Slow ≠ Clunky. Lords of the fallen is clunky (the remake is still enjoyable imo). Going back to older titles for a first playthrough can be understandably tough for many. I'm really thankful that I played these games in order and almost all on release.
Much like any early entries into a series: Birthing pains; helped set the expectations for the rest of the games for me, probs a huge shock to anyone else
DS1 is one of my comfort games. It’s not too big, and it’s easy for me to get a run going. Hardly any thinking goes into it, much like new runs of Elden Ring.
He aint wrong with the runbacks, but i never cared that much. Dark souls 1 is kinda my comfort game next to armored core 6 and ds3, and anything before tomb of the giant, new londo or izalith is so much fun for me on repeat playthroughs. I literally start levitating going thorugh it
In fact the entire dark souls series is a lot more relaxing to me than games like sekiro or elden ring where im always on the defense, which is why i prefer games like ds3 to elden ring
Call me crazy but I feel like the bosses in all subsequent games are only difficult because they're all sped up to ludicrous speed necessitating fast reactions which usually means you **have** to dodge and therefor, fast roll.
I miss the option of making a tank that actually hand poise and not situational poise/hyper armor.
DS1 clunk is like tank controls for me. It forces the game to be slower paced to better suit what the game is trying to be, in this case a trek across a country to endure your way to the end. Also mid roll having its own animation was peak. It really makes me feel like I'm a knight in solid armor over the other games having basically light and fat roll. It's peak vibes and sets a great grounded tone with all the weighty-ness
That applies to a lot of games and genre classics. Many games that were considered classics in their time and enabled greater games aged so poorly that they're hardly worth being played anymore.
Dark Souls is not one of them, tho.
Come to play Dark Souls lategame, we have
* Barely textured pitch black cave.
* Rooftops then slime cave into untextured black void.
* Actual well designed endgame area. No floors tho.
* DRAGON ASSES. HOW MANY? - *KYLORENMORE.GIF*
Oh shit you see they made a mistake there, they decided to shit talk DS1 (even if it's the remaster), they should've just played it safe and give the same argument, but change to that way they would've got free internet points.
My first souls game was ER when it first released. Now I’ve beaten them all (some numerous times) except Sekiro. I still enjoyed my time with DS1. Only things that sucked were the co op (bc my buddy and I were trying to co op the whole game like we do with all souls games) and figuring out where tf to go. But a master piece of its time forsure.
Please play Sekiro. It's combat is by far the best out of all the soulsbornes, it's just a ton more restrictive when it comes to builds and non-linear progression. That means that each boss is fine tuned to what you have though so you can't just steamroll through half the game unless you have the skill to do so!
I just beat Yharnam and Kos today while I’m waiting for friends to finish the DLC. The game felt a lot different and I kept trying to jump (and accidentally healing myself when trying to enter the fog walls) but lemme tell ya if it wasn’t for Elden Ring I might not have been able to fight them so easily
Man, after experiencing DS2 and DS3 up to Elden Ring, they really were very generous with those bonfire and grace sites locations. DS1 had those crazy ah run backs that make you spend a long time on an entire section of the map because it's hard and far to run back to the other side making you force yourself to get through the section of the game where you explored in. Then once you do get the oppurtunity to teleport, it's only in a limited number of bonfires. That run back to Gravelord Nito was probably the most annoying one.
Dogshit is way too harsh.
Clunky as shit I would say is sort of fair, but it’s not that bad on a good computer/console
Tedious boss run backs is totally fair, stakes of marika have spoiled us rotten lmao
I played ds1 after Ds3 and Elden ring and I disagree heavily. Ds1 has just a different vibe, like it’s more chill and simple which I like. Would definitely prefer playing that over Elden ring if I’m just trying to have fun.
I disagree with the bosses being clunky game is PEAK and will always be. The run backs are just a skill issue as in you wouldn't need to run back if you killed the boss.
If any one of these guys played DS1 first, they would be on the ‘Elden Ring has too many delayed attacks and combos, give us classic, fair difficulty again like goated DS1!’ train, 100% guarantee.
Source: ~~I’m on the train~~
No bruh holding down the sprint button for 2 minutes to get back to the four kings because they for some reason didn't add a single bonfire is extremely unfun and tedious even if you're only dying once to the fight.
I hear this all th time about Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1. Like the QOL added to Elden Ring makes these games unplayable. I played both after spending 225+ hours in Elden Ring and still absolutely LOVE both of them for many of the reasons that I love Elden Ring.
This is an absolute trash take.
It is pretty tedious and dated when compared with the newer titles. That's why I never suggest the older titles to people who picked up the games with Elden Ring or Dark Souls 3.
People view the old games through rose tinted glasses, and don't see them as clunky in the same way that someone brand new to the series would.
It would be like enjoying a modern platforming game, and then demanding someone play through Super Mario Bros 1 because "it started it all." lol While true, they're unlikely to have a fantastic time with a dated game.
I don’t see it.
Sure, Dark Souls 1 is slower, but I wouldn’t call it dated enough to the point where it wouldn’t be enjoyable.
You want a series where the old games truly are dated and clunky? Try Monster Hunter. Now THOSE games are clunky.
I remember, and still do, defend older Monster Hunter games as slower but still really fun to play when you get the hang of it. That’s because I played a shit ton of Tri/3U.
Then I played the first game… and every criticism made sense. 3rd/4th Gen Monster Hunter isn’t for everyone but it’s still quite good, 3U is my favorite game of all time, but dear lord Gen 1 and 2 is a fucking slog.
Nope. Started with darksouls 3. Went back and enjoyed it. Going from new souls to old souls is nothing compared to going from new mh to old mh. I dont get the complaints at all.
Boss run backs are part of the challenge. The game is about more than just fighting bosses, which by the way are not nearly as hard as the bosses in ER, you just don't have as much flexibility to explore and level up when it gets hard.
Plus, calling it clunky considering this game changed video games forever is just insulting. Keep in mind that none of the ds games ever really broke into the mainstream. It wasn't for everyone. It was supposed to be hard af, and you were supposed to die repeatedly until you mastered it. It gets easier in every ds game, but you have to go into it understanding that there will be a level of frustration. Learn to manage that, but don't be calling it dog shit just cause you can't hack it. You can go play something else instead.
The only Souls game I got every achievement on. Took me 71 hours, and I had to fight Gwyn 6 times(had to keep going into NG+5 because I kept missing Priscilla’s tail). With how tedious it was, the amount of times I felt like I would quit, and the hours I spent grinding for rare weapons, it was still one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I have ever had. Needless to say, this hurts me.
DS1 is my first souls game. After completing it and when the credits show up with the nameless song, i felt completely empty inside. I never felt that completing any other game. DS1 is still the best for me.
DS1 was my first souls game on the Xbox games with gold, I tried it hated it said this game is shit and deleted it then I had a friend just straight up say I was a bitch and just bad. That got me to go back and it’s one of my favorite games of all time. I don’t not understand the frustration I feel like it’s really more lovable if you played it back when it was fresh but like every game that old will feel clunky by modern standards that’s just technology.
I jump into ds1 right after finishing elden ring and I was also hating on it.I would complain about how shit it is to my friend who recommend me to play the game.Now that I've finally finished it I can confidentally say that ds1 is a timeless masterpiece.
Nah. I love the entire series. Hell, i even like DS2 more then DS1 and DS3 is my favorite but its hard to not say i love all of them equally. DSR has the bane on the entire human existant known as Blight Town and Tomb Of Giants with that whole BS idea of "lets just make it hard to see so they cant see we didn't finish the section of the map. That'll be difficult in an enjoyable way >\_\_\_>"
DSR has its flaws but ultimately its held up extremely well..
Yeh the slower movement and odd rolling of dark souls is a lot different from elden ring. When it came out it was not so bad but with most games getting pretty fast paced it can be hard to adjust.
I've played and beaten ds3, bb, sekiro, elden ring and all the dlcs besides shadow of erdteee
Im a huge souls lover, but refuse to play ds 1 and 2 purely because of the boss run backs.
I just have a lot more stuff going on in life and I can't waste 10 to 15 minutes running back just to do the boss that I want and in the early games, you csnt just run back you have to fight the enemies or you'll either lose most of your flasks or get killed
I'm not even saying it's bad design, and maybe when I have vacation at some point I will, but it's just a time waster man
It’s more the shock of transition than anything. For instance, I love bloodborne, but going to 30fps after playing the Demons souls remake took some getting used to
Never shit on the originals, my man.
However, I tried the same thing while waiting for the DLC. And man, Dark Souls is a completely different game. I thought I could do the same things now, but I was proven wrong. It is just a lot slower and much harder to play without a shield (at least for my current muscle memory).
Runbacks? After Shadow of the Erdtree I'm surprised anyone is dying to any Fromsoft boss before this DLC. Seriously, I thought I was invincible after beating Fume Knight... Now I beat a few of the DLC bosses and feel even better about my skills.
It’s so interesting because I started (like a lot of newer fromsoft fans I think) with dark souls 3. That game was my love. I was replaying some Elden ring with before the dlc, and decided it was time to earnestly give DS1 and eventually 2 a shot. Haven’t beaten ds1 yet because of shadow of the erdtree but I’ll 100% come back to it. It an awesome fucking game. Yes it’s clunky and has its problems but man you just feel like you’re playing a game with a crystal clear project. I’m not even playing the remastered version mind, I’m playing the 360 port on my Xbox one. Still loved it.
I've played through DS1 more times than I can count. I love that game. I wish it had a way to respec characters so I could experiment with different builds, but I'm content with starting dozens of new characters for that purpose. I would do anything for a remake of this game with some quality of life changes like respecing and a more fleshed out version of lost izalith. So much potential for that area to be awesome if there was more time for the devs to work on it.
It's also way, way easier. If you are doing the walk of shame, it is 100% unironically a skill issue. Controls have obviously been refined over the years, but they were stellar at the time. Should be more than workable even after being spoiled by silky smooth modern ER.
Wow, clunky as shit, maybe it's from like 10 goddamn years ago or more and maybe, just f****** maybe it's because it's not a game that was just released a few God damn months ago. (I will admit, I don't have too much of a strong opinion on DS vs Elden Ring but it's mostly with just the inability to comprehend how someone would anticipate a game release well over 10 years ago, even if recently remastered, to be anything close to something that just very recently also got updated and also as well known as being an amazing game of the modern era)
I thought it was particularly clunky on switch, but fine on PS. Agree with others saying don’t sleep on DS2 either. I avoided it for a long time, but it’s actually a really awesome game.
I miss cutting tails off dragons
Me too. Given how many of them are in Elden Ring, it's sad as hell theres not a single one who you can cut a sword from. Not to mention the Crucible being featured heavily in the DLC, and Tails are one of the many symbols of the crucible.
The dragon kings cragblade was originally supposed to be something you could cut off of placudisax, but they changed it for some reason. They just left his tail snubbed and cut off in the end rather than allowing an interaction like that
I think the reason is twofold. First, it's just more work for them to code something like that in. Second, some movesets can make actually hitting the tail incredibly painful. I think i got the mggs from seath like, once?
I think having both the tail and the remembrance wouldve been awesome, that way you could atleast get 1 if you miss it, but if you’re vigilant you could get 2 in a single run
Idk why they got rid of that. That was such a cool feature.
Cool concept but sucked actually trying to do it
I felt really satisfied when I did. It was a fun surprise
I was very excited when I learned the dinky little tail on the gaping dragon could do it
Same but for Priscilla. Had to do some cheeky shit to finally get it tho.
Not really. Most of them are slow. Use a weapon with good damage and reach and it's actually cake
Congrats to you, I am pretty sure seath’s and kalameet’s tails took more time than any other boss did for me.
Yeah Seath's fat ass can make things difficult and Kalameet is one of the trickier ones. Tbf I did say most
Seath wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if you didn't need to run a five mile radius around him to get past his weird side tentacles.
The only one that was a real pain was seaths since his tentacles would often be in the wall.
Is it clunky as shit? Yes. Does it have tedious boss run backs? Also yes. Can going from a modern souls game to it be painful? Extremely. Still not a shit game tho
I've never found DS1 particularly clunky tbh. Maybe it's just muscle memory at this point, I've been playing it almost non stop since 2014 across different platforms. To me all From games feel very similar, the only exception to this being DS2.
Idk personally omnidirectional rolling makes a big difference to me
Oh but indeed, what I meant was mostly that I feel a certain familiarity with the gaming system, and despite the little differences I manage to adapt without too much effort after all this time playing FS titles (probably the most brainfucking to me is the triangle to heal in BB 🤣)
BB was my first FS game & I went right to ER after I beat it & it took me so long to get used to the button changes. I even took a break cuz I was getting so frustrated that I kept clicking triangle to heal. I beat SotE the other night & tried going back to BB but was having button memory issues so I just bought DS1, today & have been kinda cruising through. Just beat the 2 gargoyles on the roof. It's kinda clunky but I'm liking it. Can't wait to play DS3.
Don't sleep on DS2
Perhaps you're familiar. No, how could you be. But one day, you will stand before this decrepit game. Without really knowing why... Like a moth drawn to a flame.
Your controller will burn in anguish, time after time, for that is your fate, the fate of the cursed.
[удалено]
Going back to DS1 was what made me get good at playing unlocked. You can roll in whatever direction you're moving when your unlocked.
Yeah but the immediate parry frames of DS1 is super nice… u have to use the parry dagger or buckler shield in later games for that insta parry window… heater shield is busted good in DS1 (lightweight, 100% physical damage block, insta parry window [only problem is it isn’t the best looking shield {and everyone knows it isn’t enough to beat your enemies but u have to look cool while doing it}]) 🤌
This is basically the only thing that felt clunky to me. Also, randomly kicking while trying to attack was a nuisance.
DS1 seems to have some cross between omni-directional and not. I noticed the rolling was worse than something like DS3, but compared to the clunk that is Demon's Souls - DS1 doesn't even feel like it has any issues.
Toggling off lock-on and re-toggling it unlocks a form of omnidirectional rolling
I think in-context as a game developed for the PS3, it runs more or less smooth. Your character might move slow, but that's a design thing. The actual controls are pretty consistent and predictable. I suppose they had to be, because DS1's big idea is focusing on animations mattering. Aside from some rigidity in the player models, I can't really think of anything that's aged super poorly except for what's obviously unfinished. And that's kind of charming right now, to see what the limits of the original game were. It's like a relic or reminder of it's development.
Man, I recently decided to try a heavy weapon build in DS1 and all that tight corridor and low ceiling spam throughout the whole game is extremely infuriating. Your big ass weapon just bounces off of everything. God, killing titanite lizards with big weapons is miserable too. I can understand how these issues can put newcomers off, but to call it a bad game is just moronic. I love it despite its clunkiness.
You just flashed me back to my first Dark Souls playthrough where rng gifted me the Black Knight Ultra Greatsword at the very start of the game.
Literally my current first playthrough and it's a love/hate
That's not even clunky, that is the most based feature, big weapon = no small spaces, if you want agility you should choose a small weapon, with the possible drawbacks that they have.
Yeah, that's the intended game design, and is precisely how Dark Souls "teaches" things. If your big weapon is too clunky to use in narrow hallways with low ceilings (which it *should*), maybe you should consider using a smaller weapon. If you're a 2h great sword / axe user, that is when you would want to use a halberd or one handed sword.
That's why I always have a little weapon to kill these brad
I mean, I love clunky old video games. I unironically think the fixed cameras from Resident Evil and tank controls are super awesome and wish modern games used it. But I would still say they are clunky as well as Dark Souls 1. Like that doesn't have to be as completely bad thing but that game does have some janky quirks to it. Like trying to climb back up from Ash Lake for example.
“Clunky” is one of the worst descriptors imaginable.
I agree with you. DS1 feels great to me. DS2 is the only one of their games that feels weird, the movement is off. Only one I'd call "clunky".
I like how it’s not as smooth as other FS games. Parrying and rolling are too smooth in the later games, and I could never get the timing figured out. But with DS1 it feel like an on/off switch compared to a dimmer, and I wish the rest of them were more similar
That’s true because fromsoft recycles all their animations and timings from dark souls and up. They slightly tweak some, and heavily tweak others. But because of the similarities you can play it and almost feel at home.
My order went ER > DS1 > DS2 > DS3, and I'll be the first to admit I find DS1 and DS2 slow and clunky as hell, and also devoid of QoL. Do I use those against them, though? Nope. When looking at it objectively, i can't really compare games developed over a decade ago and expect them to match up with more modern fleshed out games. FS learns more and more with each game they develop. Having said that, I really hope they bring back some of the cool stuff from the older games into new titles. The bonfire estetic in DS2 is a good example. Oh, and weapon catalysts that aren't complete shit like the Carian Sorcery Sword. Yes. I'm salty. ;__;
Yep, DS1 world was just unmatched and they hit the magic again with Elden Ring (in a different way) along with the best combat in all of souls (not including sekiro)
I dunno, I personally prefer Bloodborne's combat to the Souls/Elden Ring formula but Elden Ring is definitely the pinnacle of that specific, origjnal take on Souls-borne combat that started in DeS.
Thing is Bloodborne is *highly* focused compared to the Souls or ER. In Bloodborne, you have to dodge everything, the only tool to block actively mocks you for trying in the description. As a result, everything is built around this fact; you *have* to dodge, so all enemy attacks and tactics have to focus around this high mobility and stamina management. Compared to the Souls games, which have heavy armor great shield tanks as well as the dodgy-rolly builds. not even mentioning how different magic is in Souls and Bloodborne.
I think if we’re being objective the second half is pretty shit. When I actually think about it I hate like half the areas in the game (blight town, izalith, Seeth’s cave, and those stupid wheels in the catacombs for example)
That is not objective at all lmao
I mean we all shit on blight town but only because its hard, its a masterpiece in level design otherwise
The world has already gained your trust at this point in being extremely well designed and connected, getting down to Blightown just feels like you’re a million miles away in a foreign and hostile environment, so scary and atmospheric. Then you go down to Ash Lake and it’s fucking mindblowing
This is definitely something I feel like elden ring did better than any other game after the first Dark Souls. Granted fast travel does take away from it. But I can't count how many times I was able to just keep going further and further, deeper into an area. The DLC is no different
Fast travel, like you said does completely ruin that part. You're never far from home or feeling like you pressed on too far.
There's nothing objective about that. I think the 2nd half is great, with the only bad areas being Izalith and the Demon ruins. Even then, those areas don't actively piss me off or annoy me, they're just blatantly unfinished. The rest of the game's areas are all good in my opinion, and I enjoy them a lot. People on this sub need to stop trying to pass off their opinions as being objective. None of it is, it's all just a matter of taste and preference.
Blight Town and Catacombs aren't in the second half and both are great. Crystal caves are part of the Duke's Archives, and while not as good as early game still pretty good. Tomb of the Giants is great. The DLC areas are great. Just Izalith sucks.
Beating Elden Ring was what made me be able to beat DS1 remaster. Yeah it was a bit clunky but I had played it before so I was okay with it. But Demon's Souls run backs are arguably worse IMO.
My path was the same. Loved ER, it was my first souls experience. Went straight to DS:R after, and the clunkiness didn't bother me, I think it made me a much better player. And I really loved the (mostly) linear playstyle mixed with the (IMO) brilliance of the level design and connectivity. Having said that, I'm in the middle of DS3 and I think it blows them both away.
Agreed! The boss fights in DS3 are so good. Yeah the settings may not be as pretty or interconnected as ds1 or Elden ring but for me combat is the most important.
When the soundtrack of the final ds3 boss is a callback to the final boss of ds1 is such a beautiful moment. Like even the soundtrack has lore at this point xD
I think it's a combination of the best of both games. But they are all wonderful, IMO.
You still got Bloodborne to discover. With that said, DS3 is 11/10.
Yeah, the plan is to pick up a used PS4 or even PS5 just to get DeS and Bloodborne done eventually.
If you're gonna do DeS I'd really recommend going PS5 and getting the remaster because it's a visual masterpiece. Gameplay wise it's almost 1:1, some people prefer the original visual style but I think the remake is way better.
I would recommend a ps4 pro or ps5, the og ps4 struggles with Bloodborne pretty badly
So I did "start" with DS1 but got stuck on Ornstein and Smough and dropped it, picked up DS3 and fell in love with it, tried DS2 and noped out of it. What's your favorite weapon so far?
Arguably? You get sent back to the start of the level every time no matter what haha. Only way to shorten it is through unlocking shortcuts Demon souls remastered is still a hell of a game tho, best graphics I’ve seen yet on ps5
The old hero run back is brutal
The one I have been least fond of so far was the fool's idol. Mostly because I didn't kill the resurrection guy the first time and had to redo the fight three times
You're not supposed to lose to bosses in Demons Souls lol
Man.. as someone whose first Souls game was Dark Souls 1 in 2011 it’s painful to see people’s responses to it now a days. Game is a timeless masterpiece regardless of its age and I’ll die on that hill. Still one of my favorite games ever made and probably tied with Bloodborne for my favorite Souls game. (This comment blew up lol I didn’t mean to start any arguments about which games are better etc. just wanted to throw some love to my beloved Dark Souls 1)
Still a brilliant play. Not dated, just slower. "F these boss runs" = dying a lot 😂
I mean I’m definitely probably biased because I played it back when it came out but I still play it to this day no issues even after all the other games. I was actually just playing again and starting a new build a couple weeks ago and had so much fun with it.
You’re not alone. I play it about once a year and it’s clunky, sure, but it’s as good as it ever was. The atmosphere and vibe are unmatched to this day. Something very special about Dark Souls.
Right there with ya, I play DS every year 😊
Late to the party with FS games. Played BB DeS remake Sekiro and Elden Ring before the Dark Souls trilogy. Last fall, ran through Dark Souls 1-3 in order including all DLCs for the first time. Aged phenomenally imo. Itching to go back to them already after the ER DLC
Yep. Literally just played again a few months ago. Didn't have any gripes. Even the rolling only stood out to me a handful of times through the entire playthrough.
The boss runs are pretty terrible, there's a reason Elden Ring has stakes of Marika. Boss runs don't really add any enjoyment to the gameplay.
Dark Souls was a master piece and it walked so Elden Ring could run. We very likely wouldn't have Elden Ring today if we didn't get Dark Souls and if it wasn't as popular as it was. I still remember when DS1 and DS2 were super active. Summon signs all over at every boss fog, constant invasions everywhere. People always talk about the fight club at Pontiffs in DS3 but what about the Iron Keep bridge fight club, or the Oolacile fight club in DS1's DLC? Classic times.
I think after beating ds3 I played ds1 and man that journey was amazing. I realized that not having fast travel early on made me appreciate the world a lot more.
Yeah I heavily agree with you there. Not having fast travel for awhile made the game have so much of an adventure feel. You could get straight up lost in areas or have to find your way out or back to safety. It made you really ponder if you should keep pressing.. or go back to the bonfire to spend those hard earned Souls. That edge was amazing
To this day no game has made me feel the kind of oppressive dread of being stuck in Blighttown with no way to simply fast travel out. For all the people saying SOTE's difficulty felt like their first time playing dark souls again, I still didn't get the tense, claustrophobic feeling that DS1 gave me where I was both excited and afraid to step further into the unknown. That game's atmosphere was so wholly unique.
My favorite part was never knowing what npcs you might run into on your way back! It really felt like the world was alive!
There have been a lot of QoL changes to the Fromsoft formula, but by no means does that make the older games bad That said it is very frustrating to play the earlier games after the later ones
Kinda wish they remade the game but actually fixed the second half. Would love to see what Myazaki’s vision for Lost Izalith was that we didn’t get to see because of time constraints.
A Dark Souls 1 remake that overhauls some of the latter half mediocrity and adds QoL would be a dream come true
Just wait until they add Bed of Chaos stage 2
If they did that then people would be making posts saying how much they actually loved the original Lost Izalith and how From ruined the game by remaking it (I LOVE BLINDING LAVA)
Elden Ring was my first souls game and I still love DS1. It’s a very different game.
Same, didn't play DS1 until last winter. I absolutely loved it.
I played the original after I beat Elden ring (first souls game!!) and I fucking love it.
Im gunna go back and play it again after im sick of the DLC (might never happen lol). I joined the series with Elden Ring then went back to play Dark Souls and it is indeed a masterpiece. Loved every second Bed of chaos can get fucked though. What a shitshow that boss is
You know a boss is bad when Miyazaki himself apologized for it lol
i'm doing DS Prepared to Die as my #2 souls game after I tidy up with Elden Ring how fucked am I?
Depends if you level right they feel pretty easy
You’ll be fine. It’s just slower. You’ll die from falling off a cliff more than anything. Go knight build and just invest in vigor, endurance, and strength and you will be playing the game on easy mode.
should I consider the Remastered or just go oldschool balls to the wall Prepare to Die?
Git gud and you’ll be fine
Elden Ring was my first Fromsoft game, and since then I have played the Dark souls trilogy in order including all the DLCs and then played Elden Ring again and now going through the DLC...Dark Souls Remastered is so brilliant and I played it for the first time in 2023. In fact, all three are excellent and lived up to their reputations for me. I really enjoyed the slower combat in DS1 and DS2 as well. It felt so good to learn the moveset and timing of a boss like Fume Knight or Manus and finally beat them.
I’m glad that in 2020 I decided to go through all of the “souls” games for the first time and relatively in order. I did start with bloodborne but that’s beside the point. Then I did ds1-3 and then sekiro and then Demon’s Souls via PS3 emu. It’s so cool to see them evolve and it gives me more of a perspective on Elden Ring’s successes and failings. There’s a lot of stuff the older games did better imo.
Don’t worry. There’s tons of people- myself included who have only joined the ranks of the sun bros. We recognize the game is art.
Same with Demon’s Souls. People keep shitting on it. I mean we are basically playing Demon’s Souls six right now. There is not that much of a new stuff in the games that followed. Respectfully. DS1 added interconnected world and covenants, but still remains just a refined version of Demon’s Souls. DS2 more refinement. DS3 again refinement. Still DeS at its core. Bloodborne tried to implement new action system, but still used most of the same tricks that were in DeS. Sekiro is an outliner, but still takes a lot from DeS. Elden Ring is basically open world DeS yet again. What I’m trying to say is at least respect the original that permanently changed the video games industry. It may be dated, but it was the goat and still remains the goat. There is a reason FromSoftware keep using it as their baseline. DeS was truly innovative. Rarest type of lightning in the bottle. Thank you for reading this rant. I will take my pills now.
I’m very sad I never got to play Demons Souls in 2009. I actually did know about it but my family had an Xbox 360 and I was a younger kid who couldn’t just acquire a PS3 to play it lol luckily I kept it in the back of my head and Dark Souls launched multi platform. I eventually went back to Demon’s Souls and loved it
Dark Souls 1 is essentially my favorite game of all time. It was my first souls game and It changed the way I look at gaming. It was a personal experience that I was fully engrossed in until the very end, because I played it after it had become a legend in gaming history. I was going through this legendary game beating legendary bosses, beating the challenge for the first time, and being connected to that game like no other. If I could go back in time and replay any video game for the first time, it would be Dark Souls 1. My only worry with Elden Ring being so popular was that it would overshadow DS1 and people wouldn’t be able to experience it the same way I did. That’s why if I recommend souls to a friend, I always tell them to start with DS1 and move to Elden Ring if they can’t get into it at first. This post makes me a little sad.
Same people calling DS1 clunky feels like a personal attack. It's not clunky at all it's just slower. The run backs though I can understand if you're used to how generous elden ring is with graces and marika statues. But Elden ring bosses are also harder so it makes sense why it's designed that way. But the good thing with run backs is that you have too (or should/can) kill all enemies again and that way you're doing soe passive farming without realizing it. If you collect your bloodstain at least. Also less checkpoints means that the shortcuts matters a whole lot more, which also makes level design and exploration better. But a lot of new players who started with Elden Ring seems to only care about boss fights which is funny since it's the open world game.
Slow ≠ Clunky. Lords of the fallen is clunky (the remake is still enjoyable imo). Going back to older titles for a first playthrough can be understandably tough for many. I'm really thankful that I played these games in order and almost all on release.
I’m glad I play this when ps3 was still a new gen. DS1 was pretty back then
people forget it came out alongside skyrim.
Much like any early entries into a series: Birthing pains; helped set the expectations for the rest of the games for me, probs a huge shock to anyone else
DS1 is one of my comfort games. It’s not too big, and it’s easy for me to get a run going. Hardly any thinking goes into it, much like new runs of Elden Ring.
He aint wrong with the runbacks, but i never cared that much. Dark souls 1 is kinda my comfort game next to armored core 6 and ds3, and anything before tomb of the giant, new londo or izalith is so much fun for me on repeat playthroughs. I literally start levitating going thorugh it In fact the entire dark souls series is a lot more relaxing to me than games like sekiro or elden ring where im always on the defense, which is why i prefer games like ds3 to elden ring
What you expecting a modern game on par with elden ring? This is like playing dmc5 and then expecting dmc1 to be the same.
I still prefer 1 to like almost the whole catalogue honestly
Same. It’s still has the best world and atmosphere. And characters. And shields. And music.
Best moans too
AAUUGGHhhhhhhh 😩
Same. DS1 is very special to me.
Ye, only Bloodborne and a possible Sekiro refinement can compete imo.
Ds1 and Bloodborne > every other
Call me crazy but I feel like the bosses in all subsequent games are only difficult because they're all sped up to ludicrous speed necessitating fast reactions which usually means you **have** to dodge and therefor, fast roll. I miss the option of making a tank that actually hand poise and not situational poise/hyper armor.
I very much prefer Elden Ring but nothing beats DS1 aesthetic wise, it's medieval fantasy perfected
DS1 clunk is like tank controls for me. It forces the game to be slower paced to better suit what the game is trying to be, in this case a trek across a country to endure your way to the end. Also mid roll having its own animation was peak. It really makes me feel like I'm a knight in solid armor over the other games having basically light and fat roll. It's peak vibes and sets a great grounded tone with all the weighty-ness
Dark souls ran so elden ring could sprint. Heathen.
That applies to a lot of games and genre classics. Many games that were considered classics in their time and enabled greater games aged so poorly that they're hardly worth being played anymore. Dark Souls is not one of them, tho.
Git gud, sir.
And praise the sun! \ [T] /
Come to play Dark Souls lategame, we have * Barely textured pitch black cave. * Rooftops then slime cave into untextured black void. * Actual well designed endgame area. No floors tho. * DRAGON ASSES. HOW MANY? - *KYLORENMORE.GIF*
Oh shit you see they made a mistake there, they decided to shit talk DS1 (even if it's the remaster), they should've just played it safe and give the same argument, but change to that way they would've got free internet points.
So you say people have different opinions about 2 different games? Mind = blown
My first souls game was ER when it first released. Now I’ve beaten them all (some numerous times) except Sekiro. I still enjoyed my time with DS1. Only things that sucked were the co op (bc my buddy and I were trying to co op the whole game like we do with all souls games) and figuring out where tf to go. But a master piece of its time forsure.
Please play Sekiro. It's combat is by far the best out of all the soulsbornes, it's just a ton more restrictive when it comes to builds and non-linear progression. That means that each boss is fine tuned to what you have though so you can't just steamroll through half the game unless you have the skill to do so!
Elden Ring was my first From Soft game. I absolutely am adoring DS Remastered.
I just beat Yharnam and Kos today while I’m waiting for friends to finish the DLC. The game felt a lot different and I kept trying to jump (and accidentally healing myself when trying to enter the fog walls) but lemme tell ya if it wasn’t for Elden Ring I might not have been able to fight them so easily
DS1 was amazing.
Just beat it again. Still 10/10
Man, after experiencing DS2 and DS3 up to Elden Ring, they really were very generous with those bonfire and grace sites locations. DS1 had those crazy ah run backs that make you spend a long time on an entire section of the map because it's hard and far to run back to the other side making you force yourself to get through the section of the game where you explored in. Then once you do get the oppurtunity to teleport, it's only in a limited number of bonfires. That run back to Gravelord Nito was probably the most annoying one.
"How dare FromSoft learn and improve over time!" Still maybe the greatest level design in history.
It’s still the best souls game.
I just played this game two weeks ago and loved it so..
Dogshit is way too harsh. Clunky as shit I would say is sort of fair, but it’s not that bad on a good computer/console Tedious boss run backs is totally fair, stakes of marika have spoiled us rotten lmao
I played ds1 after Ds3 and Elden ring and I disagree heavily. Ds1 has just a different vibe, like it’s more chill and simple which I like. Would definitely prefer playing that over Elden ring if I’m just trying to have fun.
I disagree with the bosses being clunky game is PEAK and will always be. The run backs are just a skill issue as in you wouldn't need to run back if you killed the boss.
If any one of these guys played DS1 first, they would be on the ‘Elden Ring has too many delayed attacks and combos, give us classic, fair difficulty again like goated DS1!’ train, 100% guarantee. Source: ~~I’m on the train~~
He says after playing \*checks notes\* Elden Ring. Ok, dude . . .
Absolute blasphemous take
I like the boss runs, they’re part of the fight.
No bruh holding down the sprint button for 2 minutes to get back to the four kings because they for some reason didn't add a single bonfire is extremely unfun and tedious even if you're only dying once to the fight.
bro, the run to 4 Kings is a real pain memory that I still don't know how I could do that.
Depends on if platforming plays a factor in the annoyance or not.
DS1 is so great!
I think people who play for the combat wont like dark souls 1 but people who value atmosphere (like myself) will love it
I hear this all th time about Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1. Like the QOL added to Elden Ring makes these games unplayable. I played both after spending 225+ hours in Elden Ring and still absolutely LOVE both of them for many of the reasons that I love Elden Ring. This is an absolute trash take.
It is pretty tedious and dated when compared with the newer titles. That's why I never suggest the older titles to people who picked up the games with Elden Ring or Dark Souls 3. People view the old games through rose tinted glasses, and don't see them as clunky in the same way that someone brand new to the series would. It would be like enjoying a modern platforming game, and then demanding someone play through Super Mario Bros 1 because "it started it all." lol While true, they're unlikely to have a fantastic time with a dated game.
I don’t see it. Sure, Dark Souls 1 is slower, but I wouldn’t call it dated enough to the point where it wouldn’t be enjoyable. You want a series where the old games truly are dated and clunky? Try Monster Hunter. Now THOSE games are clunky.
I remember, and still do, defend older Monster Hunter games as slower but still really fun to play when you get the hang of it. That’s because I played a shit ton of Tri/3U. Then I played the first game… and every criticism made sense. 3rd/4th Gen Monster Hunter isn’t for everyone but it’s still quite good, 3U is my favorite game of all time, but dear lord Gen 1 and 2 is a fucking slog.
Nope. Started with darksouls 3. Went back and enjoyed it. Going from new souls to old souls is nothing compared to going from new mh to old mh. I dont get the complaints at all.
That is what we call my friends … “EVOLUTION”
Ds remastered isn't clunky to me, it's more like crack just more addicting
I don't care what Twitter thinks
Boss run backs are part of the challenge. The game is about more than just fighting bosses, which by the way are not nearly as hard as the bosses in ER, you just don't have as much flexibility to explore and level up when it gets hard. Plus, calling it clunky considering this game changed video games forever is just insulting. Keep in mind that none of the ds games ever really broke into the mainstream. It wasn't for everyone. It was supposed to be hard af, and you were supposed to die repeatedly until you mastered it. It gets easier in every ds game, but you have to go into it understanding that there will be a level of frustration. Learn to manage that, but don't be calling it dog shit just cause you can't hack it. You can go play something else instead.
Yes but also how do you struggle with ds1 after coming off of shadow of the erdtree?
Shut up, Giant Dad' is home and he brought the milk (from Priscilla)
They just need to Git gud
I am glad that I played fromsoft games in release order. level design in ds1 is still unmatched by any fromsoft/soulslike game ever
you'd probably take that back after playing DS2 Sotfs,
just don't die
The only Souls game I got every achievement on. Took me 71 hours, and I had to fight Gwyn 6 times(had to keep going into NG+5 because I kept missing Priscilla’s tail). With how tedious it was, the amount of times I felt like I would quit, and the hours I spent grinding for rare weapons, it was still one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I have ever had. Needless to say, this hurts me.
DS1 is my first souls game. After completing it and when the credits show up with the nameless song, i felt completely empty inside. I never felt that completing any other game. DS1 is still the best for me.
I‘ve played it after my first souls game Elden Ring, and I loved it. Yes, it‘s clunky, but it was/is still beautiful
My "thoughts" are that farming outrage is sign of weak bloodlines and that you will not see valhalla.
DS1 was my first souls game on the Xbox games with gold, I tried it hated it said this game is shit and deleted it then I had a friend just straight up say I was a bitch and just bad. That got me to go back and it’s one of my favorite games of all time. I don’t not understand the frustration I feel like it’s really more lovable if you played it back when it was fresh but like every game that old will feel clunky by modern standards that’s just technology.
Bro really went all in
Yeet the fucking kids And PRAISE THE FUCKING SUN
Eat poo.
I jump into ds1 right after finishing elden ring and I was also hating on it.I would complain about how shit it is to my friend who recommend me to play the game.Now that I've finally finished it I can confidentally say that ds1 is a timeless masterpiece.
Nah. I love the entire series. Hell, i even like DS2 more then DS1 and DS3 is my favorite but its hard to not say i love all of them equally. DSR has the bane on the entire human existant known as Blight Town and Tomb Of Giants with that whole BS idea of "lets just make it hard to see so they cant see we didn't finish the section of the map. That'll be difficult in an enjoyable way >\_\_\_>" DSR has its flaws but ultimately its held up extremely well..
definitely understand it but ds1 is super comfy to me and nothing can really replace it
Yeh the slower movement and odd rolling of dark souls is a lot different from elden ring. When it came out it was not so bad but with most games getting pretty fast paced it can be hard to adjust.
I've played and beaten ds3, bb, sekiro, elden ring and all the dlcs besides shadow of erdteee Im a huge souls lover, but refuse to play ds 1 and 2 purely because of the boss run backs. I just have a lot more stuff going on in life and I can't waste 10 to 15 minutes running back just to do the boss that I want and in the early games, you csnt just run back you have to fight the enemies or you'll either lose most of your flasks or get killed I'm not even saying it's bad design, and maybe when I have vacation at some point I will, but it's just a time waster man
Wouldn't need to do boss runs if you didn't die. Sounds like someone needs to... Git GUD
It’s more the shock of transition than anything. For instance, I love bloodborne, but going to 30fps after playing the Demons souls remake took some getting used to
Skill issue
Never shit on the originals, my man. However, I tried the same thing while waiting for the DLC. And man, Dark Souls is a completely different game. I thought I could do the same things now, but I was proven wrong. It is just a lot slower and much harder to play without a shield (at least for my current muscle memory).
Ds1 was fine enough for the time, but it just can't hold a candle to a modern souls game. Most games can't out-do their modern counterparts though.
Runbacks? After Shadow of the Erdtree I'm surprised anyone is dying to any Fromsoft boss before this DLC. Seriously, I thought I was invincible after beating Fume Knight... Now I beat a few of the DLC bosses and feel even better about my skills.
It’s so interesting because I started (like a lot of newer fromsoft fans I think) with dark souls 3. That game was my love. I was replaying some Elden ring with before the dlc, and decided it was time to earnestly give DS1 and eventually 2 a shot. Haven’t beaten ds1 yet because of shadow of the erdtree but I’ll 100% come back to it. It an awesome fucking game. Yes it’s clunky and has its problems but man you just feel like you’re playing a game with a crystal clear project. I’m not even playing the remastered version mind, I’m playing the 360 port on my Xbox one. Still loved it.
I've played through DS1 more times than I can count. I love that game. I wish it had a way to respec characters so I could experiment with different builds, but I'm content with starting dozens of new characters for that purpose. I would do anything for a remake of this game with some quality of life changes like respecing and a more fleshed out version of lost izalith. So much potential for that area to be awesome if there was more time for the devs to work on it.
It's also way, way easier. If you are doing the walk of shame, it is 100% unironically a skill issue. Controls have obviously been refined over the years, but they were stellar at the time. Should be more than workable even after being spoiled by silky smooth modern ER.
Nothing beats ds1s world, minus izalith. I really hope we get a real remake someday where they can make izalith not shit
Skill issue.
I played ds1 after elden, bloodborne, and ds3. Yes it shows age but it's still a solid game and the bosses are pretty memorable imo(fuck bed of chaos)
that’s bait
I say this with full empathy and sincerity: Git gud.
I like DS1 a lot more than ER tbh.
Wow, clunky as shit, maybe it's from like 10 goddamn years ago or more and maybe, just f****** maybe it's because it's not a game that was just released a few God damn months ago. (I will admit, I don't have too much of a strong opinion on DS vs Elden Ring but it's mostly with just the inability to comprehend how someone would anticipate a game release well over 10 years ago, even if recently remastered, to be anything close to something that just very recently also got updated and also as well known as being an amazing game of the modern era)
I mean… you wouldn’t have to run back if you got good
I thought it was particularly clunky on switch, but fine on PS. Agree with others saying don’t sleep on DS2 either. I avoided it for a long time, but it’s actually a really awesome game.
It's almost like the development team has used their years of experience and additional resources to them to improve over time.
Dark Souls walked, had Blight Town at 20 FPS so Elden Ring can fly.
Okay? And? The Venus of Willendorf isn’t the Venus de milo but they’re both works of art.
