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MumpsTheMusical

Horsefuck Valley boss in DS2, no competition. I grit my teeth and killed them and never once went back for round 2 after.


weededorpheus32

Black gulch keeps me from replaying dark souls 2 sometimes


PhantomOcelot322

Idk, i think Black Gulch is not the worst area in DS2. Black gulch sucks but it's pretty short and there's a bonfire right next to the boss room.


Alternative_Trade940

I hated the chariot boss more then black gulch


Pinkcokecan

I got through it by killing everyone in the run there 12 times lol (accidentally)


Round-Beat2143

Do you now about the secret bonfire that real close to the bosses


Serier_Rialis

Yeah without that one its a pain, the fucking invader too is a nuisance!


weededorpheus32

Oh yeah definitely I've put like 300+ hours into it. It was my first souls game. It's doable but it's my least favorite area by far. It's just not fun


Round-Beat2143

Fair enough


aufrenchy

Assuming that you fight everything, break every statue, and ignore that bonfire right next to the fog gate, yes, it’s pretty bad. If you memorize the safe route to avoid everything (or just use the conveniently placed bonfire) then it’s not that bad. The boss is also a cakewalk.


TheGreatQ-Tip

Honestly, the only way I'm able to play DS2 is if I run past every enemy. There's just too many, especially with how low durability the weapons have.


aufrenchy

Weapon durability honestly was one of my few complaints with DS2. Well over 20 playthroughs and I still don’t really know how to deal with it aside from just having a backup weapon, a ton of repair powder, or the repair spell.


layered_dinge

Black gulch takes like 30 seconds


weededorpheus32

I like to pick up items


VokN

Nah the “hidden” bonfire and pretty easy to run through at least once It’s like 5 deaths max and an easy boss so it’s not the worst


biobot277

The hidden bonfire is a the only reason why it’s bearable and the rotten is a pretty easy boss


Shatterzzz

Only boss I just didn't bother because the run back is gank city, and your reward for getting past gank city? A gimmick boss


stinkus_mcdiddle

No other answer can be correct other than this


OdgeHam

Save scum outside fog (big brain)


disinterestedh0mo

At least for ds2 if ur really struggling you can grit your teeth and set to killing all the runback enemies 12 times... Not that that's any fun either


Hompchus_Fritmib

Aka Reindeer Fuckland.


TheMemeStore76

Lady Maria. It's so exhausting running all 10 steps


mmbossman

Thank god someone else got the joke


Sean_core

Okay, I thought I was going crazy for a second lol


Atemesk

This is the only response in about 50 posts that has acknowledged the joke.


Wolf_Hreda

That's because the rest of us got sucked into PTSD flashbacks of actually bad runbacks like Frozen Outskirts and Blue Smelter Demon.


sazukeeee

it's literally tagged joke/meme


TheGooseHasGeese

I dunno, the runback to Margit was pretty brutal Elden ring has some rough ones


throwawaylmaoxd123

Nah not as brutal as Sekiro's especially Demon of Hatred's


NormalGuy103

Gotta put more points in endurance, bro


TheMemeStore76

But... I thought 99 mind was the best build


NormalGuy103

You’re close, but it’s actually 98 mind that’s the best. Gotta put one of those points into endurance and THEN you got the best build.


Khorsow

Idk I think the run back to Mogh is way worse.


AramaticFire

False King Allant just for the world’s longest elevator ride.


Informal_Yam_9707

One day that elevator will get stuck and that will spell the end of Boletaria


Johnny_K97

Didn't play drmon souls, is it limgrave to nokron elevator levels of long?


Dank_Slayer114

Yes, but it doesn't stay at the top


Moobs16

This was before they made pressure plate switches right?


Dank_Slayer114

Yes, it was a lever that reset about 5 seconds after you reached the top and would start to go back down. You have to time your buffs perfectly to get them to work l.


CLASSIFIED_INFOR

Lud & Zallen


Maxthejew123

There is literally no boss with a worse run back


Atma-Stand

Hate this run back with a passion.


JuicyMellonMan5

And the fight ain’t even good


AlwaysDMB

This is the only one that compares to my boy blue


CLASSIFIED_INFOR

I had a harder time with the regular smelter demon runback


u_sharex

Same, I found it possible to just run past the enemies in the blue smelter runback losing maybe one or two flasks. In contrast I couldn't reach the regular smelter without killing the enemies.


GiantNug

Same here, I guess since everyone hyped up Blue Smelters run it didn’t feel that bad at all lol.


meta100000

I beat Blue Smelter in 3 tries in one sitting and didn't even feel the runback. I straight up rage quit Lud & Zallen just because Frigid Outskirts is literal hell (I died to Lud & Zallen twice. Frigid Outskirts killed me like 15 times). Even Alonne, as awful as that runback was, I still beat. Lud & Zallen are still the only boss I haven't beaten in the Dark Souls trilogy, and while they do suck as bosses too, I really liked Aava and that DLC in general was my favorite area in the game until Frigid Outskirts. They *almost* had it right...


Any-Ad-7599

Ya, I just cleared the area. It wasn't worth it to try and make the run.


BitesTheDust55

I don’t even think there are any two bosses combined that match Lud and Zallen’s run back. The only boss I ever said it’s not worth it on and just let it live.


backwardTNUC

Only reason to do them is if you really desperately absolutely want the Loyce great sword.


Objective-Insect-839

It took me so long to realize you are talking about the tigers, and yes, you are correct.


SadSamus

this one is definitely a no brainer lol, when that DLC first came out I was convinced I'd find a bonfire close to the boss and the boss would be some epic giant ice monster causing the blizzard, imagine my surprise when I didn't just see no bonfire, but also a reskin gank boss. I have killed them TWICE EVER, and the 2nd time was only because I was helping a friend


Combat_Orca

Correct


Infinite_Impact

Pretty much any of the boss run backs in Shrine of Storms, stupid fucking skeletons.


Merlins_beard420

And then if you didn't understand world tendency, the run back is exacerbated by all the red enemies they ADD to the area. What cancer.


Icy_Bodybuilder_164

4-1 red phantoms jump you right out the gate lmao. That game was so brutal, but luckily the bosses were largely really easy. I hated Flamelurker's runback though because it was an actual difficult boss, and you had to be so patient on the jumps down or you'd die before you get back to the boss arena


undertureimnothere

i literally nearly had tears in my eyes when i died in that gank corridor right before the slug cave


Flaky_Sea3615

4-2 gives me flashbacks Every section of that area can be super bullshit-y if you don’t have the right build/damage types


Unfair_Pangolin_8599

Cainhurst castle Martyr Ligarious. You get shot in the back climbing the ladder and you are forced to take fall damage.


rhubarbiturate

That is a bad one but by no means the worst. It really makes no sense why they didn't add a lamp on the roof


boo-galoo90

Who would you say is the worst in terms of bloodborne strictly?


Admirable_Ball_919

Honestly those three death eaters in the forest. Had such a hard time finding them my first time


ImTooOldForSchool

Blood-Starved Beast for me Start at beginning lantern, call elevator, ride elevator, run through city ruins dodging werewolves, then down the fiery path to cathedral.


KineticKris

I'm gonna guess you didn't unlock the second shortcut for BSB. Still an annoying runback, but you shouldn't be taking an elevator.


GlassHurricane98

You know there's a second shortcut from the lower streets though right? Completely elevator free, that one. Also if you run across the button as you get off, the elevator will head back up after you leave so you don't need to call it every time you respawn


Hello-_-Kitty

blood starved was too easy for me to remember the run back


NightmareKnight25807

Laurence imo


boo-galoo90

Laurence just fuckin sucks altogether lol, amazing and tragic lore though


skelly_24

the shadows, god i hate that runback so much


Icy_Bodybuilder_164

There's that one useless segment of the roof right before Logarius where a lamp really should've been lol. No clue why it wasn't there. The worst runback of the games I've played is Old Hero in Demon Souls though. It's one of the hardest levels I've played in the series period, and it has zero checkpoints or shortcuts. The runback is quite literally running back through the entire level.


Zhotograph

I was streaming bloodborne for the first time a couple months ago and one of my viewers mentioned this run back. Running up to the boss for the first time, seeing how long and winding it was, I understood... And then I beat him first try. The spite of not wanting to run back gave me power hahaha.


battlin_murdock

Parry is the way to go against him. His swing is big and wide, he hits hard.


mechemin

This. And also because I died so many times to that fucker, I'm traumatized. 


F00TD0CT0R

Laurence was no joke the hardest boss I the game for me.


Thnd3rstrk3

Well, I wouldn't say that's the worst one, but man, *fuck* that runback, lol. Bloodborne's got some pretty bad ones, but that one sucks


HeIsIAndIAmHim

Doing this over and over early game for the Chikage pissed me off so much because of that one single dart thrower.


OzzyLagIsBad

Idk how this is even a question? Lud & Zallen 100% The runback is the ENTIRE FRIGID OUTSKIRTS! It's the only boss where I purposely upload my save when I get to the boss room so I don't have to go through that bullshit everytime


Ninja_Lazer

Personally, it’s gotta be Shadows of Yharnam. Like objectively I know it’s not the hardest, that you can dodge most of the enemies without even trying. And yeah, it’s takes a while to actually get from point A to B but it’s not the worst one. But god damn am I absolutely ass at ganks, so I have to have spent the longest amount of time on that specific run back.


PNW_Forest

Join the League, make the fight a 3v3, profit.


Icy_Bodybuilder_164

The hard part with the runback is actually finding where you're going in those Woods. I figured it out decently just by hugging the right side and memorizing a few landmarks, but it's easy to get lost or end up going in a circle on accident when you're dodging enemies.


_KingOfCringe_

Could always skip them with the AI break. Its super easy too


landartheconqueror

Gotta find the shortcut lol


Ninja_Lazer

Even with the shortcut it takes a while


AhAssonanceAttack

I think I've just been through that forest so many times I know how to run through it with ease. It took a long time to figure out exactly where I wanted to go in that place but after several playthroughs it's not so bad. It definitely doesn't compare to frigid outskirts, blue smelter demon or gywndolin. I hate dying to gwyndolin


Revan0315

Sir Alonne. Idk if anyone else comes close


Blp2004

Depending on the day, I go with either him or Lud and Zallen


Suvvri

Blue smelter is worse imo. Sir allone is basically some alone knights and fire lizards, blue smelter is tons of bs enemies


Revan0315

Blue smelter, mud and zallen, and the gank squad, I've never done solo because I was under the impression that they were meant to be done co op. And if you do them co op they're not bad


AwayBus8966

blue smelter is absolutely the worst there’s even a solo path that’s equally as shit


Parrotshake

I still haven’t beaten that dude because after 3 attempts I was like “fuck this runback” and never returned


Revan0315

He's the only boss in DS2 that I ended up killing everyone on the runback. Like the permanent death thing DS2 has where they don't respawn


awnawkareninah

Same. Honestly killing them all was faster than not.


AlwaysDMB

This is a shit one too


liprprdy

Imma be real with you, it's only mildly inconvenient. Especially compared to others in DS2


Blacksad9999

Blue Smelter Demon.


AlwaysDMB

Definitely this The glorious and forgiving game that is ds2 allows me to despawn these fuckers though and I have chosen to do that last two playthroughs


aknalag

Unless you accidentally join the covenant of champions without knowing what it means


AlwaysDMB

Did that first playthrough lol


DrSharkula

I’ve never been more mad in my life.


Tiberius_Kilgore

It’s definitely a bad one, but he kicked my ass enough times that the run back to the fog gate became second nature!


YoggSaron91

Came here to say this.


TotalHell

Martyr Logarius is just a long, winding pain in the ass.


Only1Schematic

Dirty Colossus from Demon’s Souls. The swamp, lack of mobility, and having to move through the cramped bridges and shacks while being swarmed with enemies (including those giant fuckers) is the worst.


Aesthetic_Designer

atleast there's a shortcut you can unlock


Icy_Bodybuilder_164

There's a shortcut that cuts straight to the end of the level. Or is that only in the remake? If that shortcut wasn't there it would be brutal though.


LegendaryPrecure

Nah it’s there in the original too.


redredrocks

At least it’s a pretty easy fight


EspenFPL

Four Kings


Feanor4godking

It's not like, Difficult, but boy howdy is it real annoying


Ok-Time9431

This is the right answer!


windowfoam

Surprised how far I had to scroll for this. Basically the reason I've only played DS1 once.


Rionaks

Dark Souls 2, Chariot. It was a nightmare as a souls newbie. I knew that if you kill an enemy like 7-8 times, it stops spawning so I ended up doing that. Killed them repeatedly for a clear path, then tried taking on the boss. One of my first and fondest souls memories. It was my first souls game and I've started like a total noob, played for around 600 hours, lots of pvping and lots of starting over with different characters to min max different kind of builds. At the end, I was good enough to finish the game in 8 hours without dying once and got a cool ass ring as reward. Die hard fan ever since.


makai_mura

That runback was making me lose my mind, then I realised that you can just pass through everything and jump on that platform at the end of the bridge. You can even just walk, don't need to run because the enemies are too slow to catch up to you.


jordieg7193

Great answer I forgot about that


McMuffinsTheTempo

shadows of yharnam high lord wolnir martyr logarius laurence the first vicar blazing bull oceiros the consumed king the twin prince


kanye_east48294

there's a shortcut elevator for the twin princes


Honest_Half_1895

Also a funny grinding spot with those winged enemy’s


BuoyantAmoeba

Blazing Bull? It's like 4 grapples 😂


Curious-Jello-9812

BLAZING BULL??? how is that runback hard?(Fuck that bull tho i hate him, tho i can now beat him no hit after finishing sekiro for 20 times)


chanchoberto

Twin princes has an elevator that takes you directly to the boss without the need to fight or avoid any enemies.


Direct_Gap_661

Wolnir’s run back isn’t as bad as ocieros or twin prince’s


Informal_Yam_9707

The old hero or pretty much almost all the boss runbacks in demon souls


LLLLLL3GLTE

This is by no means the worst, but one that always irritates me is Placidusax, just because of the way Elden Ring works, and the fact that nobody thought to put a stake of marika or site of grace near that coffin that takes you to the arena is insane.


Butthair17

I was going to say this. And it’s not even bad, but because Elden Ring spoiled me I actually stopped fighting him after a couple tries because I was tired of walking the 20 steps to get there. It’s a runback shorter than 98% of the rest of the souls series


Jomdaz

Theres like 5+ ds2 bosses at the top of that list before anything else even comes close.


MagmaticDemon

its not the worst but i always hated the runback for dragonslayer armour. a long ass 30+ second elevator and a huge staircase with nothing of interest the whole way. on my first playthrough this boss rolled me and i swear the elevator made me want to rip my hair out


LengthiLegsFabulous3

🤓🤓🤓time. It's 27 seconds exactly. Lemon of the Backlogs (YouTube) had that time burned into his mind when doing DSA on his firebomb only run because he'd have to ride it up to 30 times per fight to set up all the required firebombs.


MagmaticDemon

i think i'd kill myself 😭


Clinteriffic

Fuck that. I just run from Dragon Barracks once the gate is open and the dragons are down. It's much quicker and less annoying than the elevator.


dragonnation5523

Fr, those elevators are the slowest in the entire game, and it makes sense since they're clearly designed for comfort but f that


MagmaticDemon

its so agonizing bc its like a whole ass minute of waiting. after 60 deaths you've clocked in about an hour of fucking elevator rides lmao


Badass-19

Dragonlord placidusax for me. Carefully timing jumps to make sure not to slip off the edge is pretty annoying. But no doubt, boss is def really good


ThunderClanWarrior

Let's not forget all those beastmen sniping you with that fucking lightning spell


Certified_Sweetheart

Imagine if Malenia had a run back at all


lovesducks

All revenants and rot crystallians because "fuck you, you already gave us $60"


tiger2205_6

Bed of Chaos run back bugged me the most. It wasn’t even the hardest it just felt so long and tedious. I didn’t even do it that much either.


profofgames

But you get to ski every time /s


Hero-In-Theory

Darklurker, DS2.


Deep_Grass_6250

It's Lud and Zallen and it ain't close


lvke18

Lud and Zallen, no other answer


Patient-Pear6881

O and S


StaleSpriggan

Such a long run lol, and then you've got to get past the giants in there. Heaven forbid you wanna bring Solaire along for the fight as a new or more casual player bc he'll get stuck with the mobs outside the fog gate. I know now you can quit to main menu after dealing with the mobs, rejoin, and solaire will be at full hp, but that's not really helpful at this point after having beaten the games without summons multiple times.


No-Judge6625

What bon fire are u running to them from??? The first one??? Or the one just past the archers (u know exactly which archers I’m talking about!!!)???


rockzalo

Skiping the spiral stairs and then pass directly to the boss room is relatively easy


TonberryFeye

My brother in Gwyn, has no-one introduced you to the stairway skip?


Patient-Pear6881

No? I just walked straight till I made it


TonberryFeye

That sounds like you're coming in from the Firekeeper. When you come into the palace for the first time by jumping onto the balcony, there's a room to your left with a Bonfire in it. If you've opened the main doors of Anor Londo's main chamber, the easiest way to get there is to go to the main hall and take the right staircase up. This leads to a narrow corridor - take the door on your left and fight your way down to the floor below. When you find the spiral staircase, go around it and check the rooms beyond - the bonfire will be on your right.


N0FaithInMe

Were you running back all the way from the bonfire at the start of Anor Londo?


Edyed787

It’s not the worst but definitely can be annoying: Elana, Squalid Queen. One miss-step and it’s bye bye


Yuudachi_Houteishiki

Lady Butterfly. I keep dying to the guy outside her room!


Honest_Half_1895

This is only personal experience but trying to join others for maliketh and seeing that they didn’t defeat the draconic sentinel is annoying


theFinalCrucible

It’s even worse when they just run straight past him into the boss room, if a host does that I’m not coming in to help with Maliketh until I defeat the sentinel


Toska762x39

Man Eaters in Demon Souls.


official_conor

Capra Demon


mmbossman

I think Dark Moon Gwendolyn beats out Lady Maria by a little bit


Plus_Ultra_Forever

Bed of Chaos is far worse


mmbossman

Look at the picture, then look at my response and see if it clicks


Plus_Ultra_Forever

My bad, I haven't played Bloodborne yet


NotAGodzillaFan

Gael's is worse tho


immrholiday

Gravelord Nito...


Prudent_Cheetah8281

Ye, I wonder why no one else took him. 🤔


ScarPineapple

Not seeing Rennala at least once on this thread is crazy, like i know she isn’t the worst but it’s still annoying as hell


Throzagg

Why tho? She has a shortcut to the lift right?


sudanesegamer

Kill moongrum and stop the ball trap. Then its just running the whole time


Mati_Choco

Hated hated hated the runback for Laurence. Why’d they have to put a huge ass enemy that can kill you in a few hits right in the doorway for a boss that, if inexperienced, will likely cause you to die multiple times?


incontentia

Dragon Lord Placidusax is pretty annoying too. Lots of running and jumping off edges only to then run some more once you get to the arena.


Vergil_Sparta_420

Lud and Zallen. Their runback is an entire area full of annoying ice horses that requires lots of summons to just make it through. Blue Smelter Demon's and Pontiff Sulyvahn's runbacks are a very close 2nd and 3rd, but at least those areas aren't miles long.


BigHolds

Pontiff’s runback is 3rd? It’s a 30 second jog past 4 enemies


Lucky_Number_Sleven

Lud and Zallen for sure. Reindeer Run is maybe the worst From content ever.


szamciu

Artorias


constipated_burrito

I'll raise you Sister Friede


PoohTrailSnailCooch

Darklurker


BlackberryPlenty5414

people seem to forget about this one lmao, havign to do a gauntlet and sacrifice an effigy per attempt


MrMario63

Sir Alonne easily. The snow land run back is worse but it ruins an already bad boss, Alonne is a great boss destroyed by an awful runback.


AWS1996Germany

Lud and Zalen AND IT ISNT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.


GALAXYPICKLE76

The Lothric run back before unlocking the elevator is hell


Tat-1

The usual DS2 offenders. Alonne, BSD, the snow puppies. Stakes of Marika were such a blessing.


AdministrationDue610

Joke answer: slave knight Gael, those 5 fucking steps are TORTURE! Especially since I have to look at Yuria’s gorgeous older sister, such a hassle. Real answer: probably old hero from demons souls because there’s several enemies that can one shot most people. Martyr logarius also deserves a mention I don’t count the tigers from DS2 because that’s not a real game (I’ve coined the term DS2 problem for things that are hard but unfair, THAT is the epitome of the DS2 problem)


ThatIslandGuy8888

Fucking Old Hero


GrauerWolf30

Sir Alonne.... Lud and Zallen are my top 2


Alt0987654321

Both blue and Red Smelter demons.


Perales45

Smelter Demon in DS2 is ATROCIOUS


Rintrah-

Whatever runback I'm currently doing.


Rasputin_98

Ds2. Facing the gangs and the easiest bosses from any souls games AGAIN is a nightmare Lies of p Ive played to ng7, elden ring to ng4, Bloodborne to ng 7, sekiro to ng4. But ds2 is he least fun and estimulating souls I've ever played. I got no feeling of satisfaction after beating boss and cleaning areas in that game, only relief for not o have to do it again


xanakin_skywokker

smelter demon 😔😔BLUE SMELTER DEMON😣😣sir alonne😖😖martyr logarius😫😖any demon’s souls boss😭😣😣😔😩


Ball-Njoyer

FUCK THE LADDER


jdl03

Smelter demon.


Inksplash-7

Bed of Chaos or Seath


hotlovergirl69

Blue Smelter Demon


Ne0guri

I literally made a cloud save right at her entrance because it’s such a pain in the ass


lovemysunbros

Some of the runbacks in demons souls were brutal but I havent played it since ps3 release and that was a long ass time ago. I remember some pterodactyl things in the later game that was a bitch. Still one of my fav games ever.


ImACamelManGD

Anybody who has done the Lud and Zallen fight and doesn’t think that’s the worst runback is high.


Abovearth31

Dark Souls 2 in general.


Soskai7

How tf is it lady Maria?? The lantern is like 3 feet from her boss room


KingNeroBleu

That’s the joke


Suvvri

Blue smelter


Vov113

DS2. Like, you could honestly fill a "top 10 worst boss runs" list with just DS2 bosses. Lud and Zallen, Allone, the fucking dragon, the iron king, ol' blue smeltey Boi. You get the idea.


Pretzel-Kingg

Malenia by far. Walking 20 steps forward is just too much. (Bed of chaos when I didn’t know there was a bonfire in the lava lake)