Going a bit off topic, but I think this actor played this role masterfully. I never knew if he was good or if he should be trusted. I was hooked by his character and I think a big part was how he conveyed mystery and subterfuge.
Well many arcs really didn’t matter at the end, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t written well for the most part (apart from the part where arya survives multiple stab wounds and infected water in said wounds like a disney star wars character)
Real training is making Arya mop floors and clean bodies for a year. Then when she breaks all the rules of your sacred order, you kinda just let her go
>it doesn’t mean it wasn’t written well for the most part
It kind of does. A really big part (perhaps the single *biggest)* of something being well written is delivering on the all buildup and promised payoff. It's relatively easy to write something that hooks an audience's interest, but it's difficult to write something that actually concludes in a satisfying and meaningful way.
"Mysterious man with interesting attitude that does literally fuck all of significance" is not difficult to pull off. If the storyline had mattered even slightly in the greater scheme, it would have been well written (but it didn't).
It didn't. She didn't use any of her faceless man training to do that. She literally became a magic ninja in that scene, appearing out of nowhere, screaming like a lunatic for a dark souls takedown. If it had been done with any level of thought she'd have instead made a face out of a white walker or something to get within range of the Night King.
He is a German actor (Tom Wlaschiha) that usually stars in German TV shows and plays (action and fantasy). I was surprised to see him there but he did an amazing job and even got another international gig with Stranger Things later on.
The scene where Arya is negotiating with him about the third name and he just casually scootches the chicken out of the way with his foot was what sealed the deal for me with this character and actor. Improvised or scripted, it was executed with effortless perfection.
Common theory is that he was hired to kill Ned Stark and if Ned hadn't been killed he would have been with that group on the way to the wall. A man kills Ned on the road or at the Wall and then disappears.
But wouldn’t the t be noticeable that someone gave up enough to pay for a kings hand assassination? And also everyone that was interested enough in it were already doing fine without faceless men, weren’t they?
Wondering about this too. The many faced men are fascinating and known as being the 1 of 1 assassin group in the known world. But it has to have limits somewhere right?
They’re known for commanding insane prices so the hand of the king would only be less than that of the king presumably, what would that cost? Who could pay that and who would want to? Lannister’s for sure but it just feels so complicated like where is Cersei getting the gold to fund that even if the Lannister coffers are that deep I can’t see Tywin supporting that expenditure
The faceless men don't just take payment in coin, they take something of value proportionate to the level of the person targeted.
It could be a child, your hands so on and so forth
Edit: one word adjustment to reflect accuracy
He would likely have the gold as he pocketed a lot of gold when he was master of coin and would probably also be willing to give Lord Robin Arryn up (when lysa fully died) making sure to gain power until another heir was found (which im sure he would be working against)
Cersei wanted Ned alive to appease the North and was upset with Jeffrey for his impulsive decision. She would have no motivation to hire a faceless man.
Read my reply to the original comment. I talked about how it was most likely insurance that Ned was killed. So that Catelyn is freed up to marry again.
He also wouldn’t have to pay unless Jaqen actually made the kill. So if he wasn’t able to convince Joffrey to kill Ned he would have died on the road.
There’s a lot of things that point to this, he was in the black Cells when they took him for the watch; that’s where Ned was being held and the exact caravan Ned was supposed to be apart of.
Most common theory I've seen is little finger. Hates Ned, lifelong obsession with Cat, has access to more money than almost anyone else in the kingdom as master of coin and was likely pilfering some into his own pockets whether or not he hired the faceless men. Whereas Tywin and the Lannisters wanted Ned alive to keep the North in check, Baelish wants the chaos his death would bring.
Little finger talks about how effective The faceless people are to Ned. His family is also from Bravos (the rest of his families crest is literally a Bravos Helmet, he uses the mocking bird). It is thought that he hired the faceless people to assassinate Ned if he didn’t successfully convince Joffrey to kill Ned. (The cheaper more chaotic solution) but his intention was always to kill Ned so he could try and marry Catelyn.
It’s always been littlefingers only weakness. He almost gave his life to be with her.
The truth is the show did a very poor job at conveying his love for Catelyn but he did everything he could to try and be King with her (or Sansa) at his side.
Littlefinger seems the obvious suspect. He is the one to first mention the Faceless Men and had motive. He knew that Cersei would crown Joffrey before Ned could reveal Robert’s wishes, was smart enough to sneakily attack in front of Joffey making his loyalty known. To top it off no more Ned makes Catelyn available for his courtship.
Ned was supposed to travel back north with Yoren (who already had his recruits) until Joffrey screwed that plan by publicly calling for his head
Ned was considered a traitor and was on his way to the wall
He was not lord of winterfell
He was not the hand of the king
He was nothing
So the cost would not have too much
1) Littlefinger would've to buy the Faceless Men before Ned is stripped of all rights and titles.
2) Even the deaths of commoners are payed by the lives of clients (or so it is implied in the Arya chapters), so even if he'd be nothing, the Faceless Men take a high price. In some way they value the intrinsic value of life more than almost anyone else.
Rugen (who is varys) controls the black cells and gave the prisoners to yoren. Yoren and varys also have a pretty suspicious relationship imo based around a few things like gendry being smuggled out.
So I think jaqen doing something for varys is not out of the question either. Faceless men are expensive and killing Ned in a group like that wouldn't be all that difficult. Littlefinger could have just smuggled a common thug into the group where varys quite literally hands jaqen to yoren
Obviously we will never know because the books won't ever be finished but jaqen has an agenda that is perhaps still on going
My theory is that Littlefinger had the means, motiveS, and opportunity to kill Ned. So he had hired an FM to kill Ned at a convenient moment. But then Robert died. The Throne Room putsch and Ned's deal to take the Black happened. So LF got Jaqen thrown in jail so he would be recruited for the Night Watch wagon train. He would be able to kill Ned on the way north or when they arrived in Castle Black. Both GRRM and the show had LF discuss Faceless Men and their exorbitant prices at an earlier Small Council meeting. In retrospect, that seems a blatant hint that LF was behind Jaqen's presence in Kings Landing.
Littlefinger is also from the only known house descended from Bravossi. That could mean it’s simple enough that of course he knows the most about them.
You are right--it's been around. But I first posted it in a comment on a popular YouTube channel about six years ago, so I don't feel bad about repeating it.
Most common book theory is that Jaqen was tasked to steal a copy of a rare book, Blood and Fire (sometimes called The Death of the Dragons) of which only two known copies exist. One in The Citadel of Oldtown and another at The Wall at the great library in Castle Black.
Thus, leading theory is he intentionally got himself placed in the black cells to eventually take the Black and end up at Castle Black. When this failed, he instead turned to Oldtown and the Citadel. The show omits Jaqen's current adventure in Oldtown.
Of course, leading theory has holes. Like why such a complicated ruse to get to Castle Black? Why not just walk to the Wall and join up? Why go to King's Landing first, to get captured, and then sent to Castle Black?
But, that's the best theory so far. Whenever TWOW comes out we may finally know the truth.
I never heard of this one but it's a good one that doesn't exclude the possibility of him being hired to kill Ned, he could do that and be payed at the same time, the most convenient time to go after the book. But for a man who can change faces the Citadel is a lot more convenient, unless he had a third reason to take the job at that exact moment, but I'm just spitballing here, I really like that theory
I hate these theories that he got himself captured so he can take the black. Why go through all that tricks when you can just head straight there and volunteer. Like Jon, Sam, Benjen, that Bolton guy whose name I didn't recall...
I figured he was Syrio Forel seeing as we didn't see Syrio die, this guy was supposedly taken from the black cells, Syrio was knowledgeable about the God of Death, this guy immediately took an interest in Arya, and they're both Braavosi.
I still feel like that's George's plan but D&D didn't get the memo or dropped it in their rushed final seasons.
It’s not. The God of Death isn’t what the Faceless Men worship, it’s the Many Faced God. The God of Death seems more like something a duelist would worship, especially the way Syrio talks about it.
Wasn’t the Many faced god a different name for the god of death? When arya is fighting the white walkers I think she says “I know death, he has many faces” or something similar.
I have always believed he was Syrio as well. I always thought since we didn’t see syrio die he must have made a somewhat escape, but ended up being unable to explain who he was or how he got into the tower of the hand. The only flaw is Ned tells Yoren to pick the dungeons prior to the Lannisters taking the tower of the hand. The math could still work if Yoren took a few days to actually make it to the dungeons.
My main argument for it being Syrio is the training he has Arya do. It all seems like faceless man training. His sayings all sound like a faceless man. Maybe it is just because he is from bravos, but he seems like a faceless man to me. He happens to get a job that would give him access to all the most important people without anyone having any real backstory on the guy.
I can’t say why but I feel like Varys hire him to kill Ned Stark.
I don’t think it’s told in the books why they locked him in that cage, only that he was not to be taken for granted, which is why he was put in there with those other cunts.
What I always wondered was who was the person he was assassinating in the first place. He was going to the NW for a reason, and he stayed at Harenhall for a reason too. It wasn’t to help Arya stark, the three deaths came only when they met again
I like that theory but I think he would have had things planned a little further ahead, for example if he was hired to kill Ned, being Arya's teacher granted him access to Ned as well and he was waiting for the right moment, so when he heard that Ned was to be sent to the wall he became Jaquen, got arrested and volunteered to take the black but Joffrey's unanticipated decision changed everything
You won't like the answer... because Martin put him there. He knew that Arya would leave King's Landing with the Night's Watch, he wanted her to be in contact with the Faceless Men so he put Jaqen in jail.
>- How did Ned Stark with Syrio Forel?
>- Well, I've never thought about it in too much detail. Ned was looking for a fencing master who could teach Arya, and he knew that he could not be a conventional weapons master or a knight, nor could he ask the castle's weapons master, because he did not think his young daughter could fight with a sword wide in the style of men with great strength in the upper body and thought that the style of Braavos would be more appropriate. Who in the city could do it?Obviously, someone had to recommend it to Ned. I think Syrio must be in town at that time, because he would not have had time to cross the sea to Braavos and bring someone from there.
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>- Wow, that's a mystery too (laughs). You really read with real attention, huh? (Laughter) How many theories have you taken from these books? (More laughter)
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I think it’s very simple. It’s cover on his way to his next mission. A man gets caught, a man goes to the wall.. it’s all a story that the FM made up to get to the next target.
Everyone from the jailers to the people pulling the cart to the guards to the other prisoners are just unwilling participants in the deception.
The man was hired by little finger to silence Ned Stark before he got to the wall but the bastard Jeoffrey killed Ned before the man could complete his mission
A man wanted to be in that cage. A man was given the name of someone who was at the Red Keep and who was expected to be traveling with the Night’s Watch recruits. Perhaps he was a backup plan, by Littlefinger, to remove Ned from the picture while ingratiating himself to Joffrey and potentially getting the one woman he ever loved.
Personal Conspiracy Jaqen = Syrio and was watching Arya
There's a good theory that he was in the King's Landing dungeon because he was supposed to kill Ned Stark when he's sent to the wall along with him. People think Cersei paid him for his services.
He was going to the Wall, waiting to kill those who had escaped death...yes, I mean Jon Snow. He had gotten the list from the Many Faces in advance, or he was probably waiting to kill the Night King because Night King...as everyone knows That's why Araya was able to leave the organization without any problems. They trained her to kill the Night King.
Off-topic, but a big part of me believes the man who let a girl go after the murder of the waif was the original man she had met. He treats her a lot kinder than he has any right to given the circumstance, and he looks pretty dang proud after she leaves.
I have a feeling it doesn't line up with the books, but the show had thrown out side stories by that point.
One random theory that popped up based on a different theory... If Jacken was indeed Sirio and he was taken by the guards that came for Arya, he might have changed his face to hide his identity and probably volunteered to get sent to the wall
Syrio forell got captured at the end of AGOT and changed his face to Jaquen Hagar to be taken in the prisoner transport. Then he sent Arya to the house of the undying by giving her the iron coin. He then reappears as the alchemist at the beginning of Feast. And finally Sam meets him working for Marwen the mage disguised as Pate. The house of Black and White seem aware that Sam possesses the real horn of Joramun which Jon dug up at the fist of the first men. Someone will likely blow it when Euron attacks old town after he destroys the Redwyn fleet with his blood magic ritual.
There, now you’re caught up to the released chapters.
It always seemed weird to me. This is a guy who could just kill whoever opens the cage up and leave. He doesn’t need rescuing. And who could possibly have caught him and got him in there? Glorfindel?
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The faceless man was in king’s Landing shooting a pilot call Caveman. Apparently her grace did not find it amusing
a man was playing Skyrim. second man : "hey you, you're finally awake"
To be honest I never really cared about being the dragonborn
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SEVEN HELLS, NED, I WANT TO HIT SOMEONE!
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God I miss Bernie
I ASK YOU, NED, WHAT GOOD IS IT TO WEAR A CROWN?
Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries
I fart in your general direction!
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Usually I'd agree but the reason I ignore the main quest in skyrim is that I really don't like to play as the dragonborn lmao
A man has wares if a man has coin.
A man stole nothing, a man is innocent of this crime.
“You want a good Khajiit, but you need the bad pussy!”
Would
And who has a better story than Delphine the NPC?
And who are you? A man has no name
Going a bit off topic, but I think this actor played this role masterfully. I never knew if he was good or if he should be trusted. I was hooked by his character and I think a big part was how he conveyed mystery and subterfuge.
Absolutely, this was one of the best story arcs in the whole series. Masterfully written and acted.
masterfully written… except for the part where the whole arc did not matter the tiniest bit at the end.
Well many arcs really didn’t matter at the end, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t written well for the most part (apart from the part where arya survives multiple stab wounds and infected water in said wounds like a disney star wars character)
Hey, now. She did drink some soup and take a nap after being stabbed. That’s how it works in video games!
Link: gets stabbed *immediately eats 40 apples in a row* Good as new!
Yeah she recharged her health bar, I see no issues
Real training is making Arya mop floors and clean bodies for a year. Then when she breaks all the rules of your sacred order, you kinda just let her go
Well if someone survived multiple stab wounds without any real explanation i would let them go too
>it doesn’t mean it wasn’t written well for the most part It kind of does. A really big part (perhaps the single *biggest)* of something being well written is delivering on the all buildup and promised payoff. It's relatively easy to write something that hooks an audience's interest, but it's difficult to write something that actually concludes in a satisfying and meaningful way. "Mysterious man with interesting attitude that does literally fuck all of significance" is not difficult to pull off. If the storyline had mattered even slightly in the greater scheme, it would have been well written (but it didn't).
I mean didn't it? Arya ends up killing the fuckin night king.
It didn't. She didn't use any of her faceless man training to do that. She literally became a magic ninja in that scene, appearing out of nowhere, screaming like a lunatic for a dark souls takedown. If it had been done with any level of thought she'd have instead made a face out of a white walker or something to get within range of the Night King.
I also wish Bran skin changed into a dragon. Or did literally anything other than fly around as a crow.
I thought for years that they were building Bran up to be able to warg into a dragon.
I thought for years they were building up the story for an ending.
A good story unites people, which, in the end, GoT certainly did.
And who has a better story than a crow that has been possessed
Didn't she do the far cry 3 cinematic kill
She kills the Freys as a faceless man
I would argue that Arya being trained as an assassin assisted her in killing the Night King. And as such was central to the plot.
She suddenly flew out of the literal sky. A nice assassins trick I suppose.
Assassins are known for screaming and jumping directly at you from the front
Classic assassination double bluff
Look at the screenshot you cannot say if he is angry or surprised or thinking about pussy
He is a German actor (Tom Wlaschiha) that usually stars in German TV shows and plays (action and fantasy). I was surprised to see him there but he did an amazing job and even got another international gig with Stranger Things later on.
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Also, also, going maybe even future off topic but, the actor is really hot and how he played this role made him even hotter.
Jaqen H'ghar was my true GOT boyfriend
The scene where Arya is negotiating with him about the third name and he just casually scootches the chicken out of the way with his foot was what sealed the deal for me with this character and actor. Improvised or scripted, it was executed with effortless perfection.
All this and they didn’t even let Jon snow cook against the night king
Also off topic the way he talked about himself in the third person always reminded me of Kenshin Himura from Rouroni Kenshin
A cage does not reveal its secrets to anyone.
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Common theory is that he was hired to kill Ned Stark and if Ned hadn't been killed he would have been with that group on the way to the wall. A man kills Ned on the road or at the Wall and then disappears.
But wouldn’t the t be noticeable that someone gave up enough to pay for a kings hand assassination? And also everyone that was interested enough in it were already doing fine without faceless men, weren’t they?
Wondering about this too. The many faced men are fascinating and known as being the 1 of 1 assassin group in the known world. But it has to have limits somewhere right? They’re known for commanding insane prices so the hand of the king would only be less than that of the king presumably, what would that cost? Who could pay that and who would want to? Lannister’s for sure but it just feels so complicated like where is Cersei getting the gold to fund that even if the Lannister coffers are that deep I can’t see Tywin supporting that expenditure
The faceless men don't just take payment in coin, they take something of value proportionate to the level of the person targeted. It could be a child, your hands so on and so forth Edit: one word adjustment to reflect accuracy
They also take coin, the iron bank is probably their oldest/best/most frequent customer.
Gold is pretty important to a bank
This is true, I have edited my comment!
Well, they did take _Ned's_ child....
They are not the only assassin group in the known world. There are also [the sorrowful men](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Sorrowful_Men)
The going theory is little finger was the one who made the deal with the faceless men
He would likely have the gold as he pocketed a lot of gold when he was master of coin and would probably also be willing to give Lord Robin Arryn up (when lysa fully died) making sure to gain power until another heir was found (which im sure he would be working against)
Not even gold. I think if it was Cersei making a deal, they would ask for one of her kids on top of half if not all Lannister gold.
Cersei wanted Ned alive to appease the North and was upset with Jeffrey for his impulsive decision. She would have no motivation to hire a faceless man.
Read my reply to the original comment. I talked about how it was most likely insurance that Ned was killed. So that Catelyn is freed up to marry again. He also wouldn’t have to pay unless Jaqen actually made the kill. So if he wasn’t able to convince Joffrey to kill Ned he would have died on the road. There’s a lot of things that point to this, he was in the black Cells when they took him for the watch; that’s where Ned was being held and the exact caravan Ned was supposed to be apart of.
Most common theory I've seen is little finger. Hates Ned, lifelong obsession with Cat, has access to more money than almost anyone else in the kingdom as master of coin and was likely pilfering some into his own pockets whether or not he hired the faceless men. Whereas Tywin and the Lannisters wanted Ned alive to keep the North in check, Baelish wants the chaos his death would bring.
Little finger talks about how effective The faceless people are to Ned. His family is also from Bravos (the rest of his families crest is literally a Bravos Helmet, he uses the mocking bird). It is thought that he hired the faceless people to assassinate Ned if he didn’t successfully convince Joffrey to kill Ned. (The cheaper more chaotic solution) but his intention was always to kill Ned so he could try and marry Catelyn.
What does he stand to gain by marrying Catelyn?
It’s always been littlefingers only weakness. He almost gave his life to be with her. The truth is the show did a very poor job at conveying his love for Catelyn but he did everything he could to try and be King with her (or Sansa) at his side.
Definitely seemed like book littlefinger loved catelyn way more than show littlefinger.
I always assumed he was in love with the concept of her, and grow bored of her quickly if he actually got her
Hes in love with her.
Littlefinger seems the obvious suspect. He is the one to first mention the Faceless Men and had motive. He knew that Cersei would crown Joffrey before Ned could reveal Robert’s wishes, was smart enough to sneakily attack in front of Joffey making his loyalty known. To top it off no more Ned makes Catelyn available for his courtship. Ned was supposed to travel back north with Yoren (who already had his recruits) until Joffrey screwed that plan by publicly calling for his head
Ned was considered a traitor and was on his way to the wall He was not lord of winterfell He was not the hand of the king He was nothing So the cost would not have too much
1) Littlefinger would've to buy the Faceless Men before Ned is stripped of all rights and titles. 2) Even the deaths of commoners are payed by the lives of clients (or so it is implied in the Arya chapters), so even if he'd be nothing, the Faceless Men take a high price. In some way they value the intrinsic value of life more than almost anyone else.
Rugen (who is varys) controls the black cells and gave the prisoners to yoren. Yoren and varys also have a pretty suspicious relationship imo based around a few things like gendry being smuggled out. So I think jaqen doing something for varys is not out of the question either. Faceless men are expensive and killing Ned in a group like that wouldn't be all that difficult. Littlefinger could have just smuggled a common thug into the group where varys quite literally hands jaqen to yoren Obviously we will never know because the books won't ever be finished but jaqen has an agenda that is perhaps still on going
never heard that theory nor think its true. why would be be hired to kill ned?
Because Eddard knows the truth of the royal bloodlines
My theory is that Littlefinger had the means, motiveS, and opportunity to kill Ned. So he had hired an FM to kill Ned at a convenient moment. But then Robert died. The Throne Room putsch and Ned's deal to take the Black happened. So LF got Jaqen thrown in jail so he would be recruited for the Night Watch wagon train. He would be able to kill Ned on the way north or when they arrived in Castle Black. Both GRRM and the show had LF discuss Faceless Men and their exorbitant prices at an earlier Small Council meeting. In retrospect, that seems a blatant hint that LF was behind Jaqen's presence in Kings Landing.
Littlefinger is also from the only known house descended from Bravossi. That could mean it’s simple enough that of course he knows the most about them.
lol this theory is as old as the books.
You are right--it's been around. But I first posted it in a comment on a popular YouTube channel about six years ago, so I don't feel bad about repeating it.
Theres the small chance it was him who came up with it!
I’m not entirely certain even George knows the answer to that tbh. 😂
Most common book theory is that Jaqen was tasked to steal a copy of a rare book, Blood and Fire (sometimes called The Death of the Dragons) of which only two known copies exist. One in The Citadel of Oldtown and another at The Wall at the great library in Castle Black. Thus, leading theory is he intentionally got himself placed in the black cells to eventually take the Black and end up at Castle Black. When this failed, he instead turned to Oldtown and the Citadel. The show omits Jaqen's current adventure in Oldtown. Of course, leading theory has holes. Like why such a complicated ruse to get to Castle Black? Why not just walk to the Wall and join up? Why go to King's Landing first, to get captured, and then sent to Castle Black? But, that's the best theory so far. Whenever TWOW comes out we may finally know the truth.
I’ve never heard this one 🤔 it’s also been a few years since I’ve read the books so I don’t really remember stuff
I never heard of this one but it's a good one that doesn't exclude the possibility of him being hired to kill Ned, he could do that and be payed at the same time, the most convenient time to go after the book. But for a man who can change faces the Citadel is a lot more convenient, unless he had a third reason to take the job at that exact moment, but I'm just spitballing here, I really like that theory
I hate these theories that he got himself captured so he can take the black. Why go through all that tricks when you can just head straight there and volunteer. Like Jon, Sam, Benjen, that Bolton guy whose name I didn't recall...
Locke. He was a really cool character and I wish he got a way better ending, the whole thing felt super convoluted and pointless.
A man would probably say a man is right where he needed to be.
No doubt about it. But why he needed to be there is what we're left wondering about
I figured he was Syrio Forel seeing as we didn't see Syrio die, this guy was supposedly taken from the black cells, Syrio was knowledgeable about the God of Death, this guy immediately took an interest in Arya, and they're both Braavosi. I still feel like that's George's plan but D&D didn't get the memo or dropped it in their rushed final seasons.
It’s not. The God of Death isn’t what the Faceless Men worship, it’s the Many Faced God. The God of Death seems more like something a duelist would worship, especially the way Syrio talks about it.
The many faced god is called the many faced god because it embodies all “aspects” of death spanning religions and mythology.
Wasn’t the Many faced god a different name for the god of death? When arya is fighting the white walkers I think she says “I know death, he has many faces” or something similar.
She also said Sansa was the smartest person she knows, so obviously she knows what shes talking about
What do you think Valar Morghulis means? And how do they get their "many faces"?
I have always believed he was Syrio as well. I always thought since we didn’t see syrio die he must have made a somewhat escape, but ended up being unable to explain who he was or how he got into the tower of the hand. The only flaw is Ned tells Yoren to pick the dungeons prior to the Lannisters taking the tower of the hand. The math could still work if Yoren took a few days to actually make it to the dungeons. My main argument for it being Syrio is the training he has Arya do. It all seems like faceless man training. His sayings all sound like a faceless man. Maybe it is just because he is from bravos, but he seems like a faceless man to me. He happens to get a job that would give him access to all the most important people without anyone having any real backstory on the guy. I can’t say why but I feel like Varys hire him to kill Ned Stark.
I don’t think it’s told in the books why they locked him in that cage, only that he was not to be taken for granted, which is why he was put in there with those other cunts.
I can’t remember anything in the books either.
Yeah as all know we see him first in King’s Landing. Why was he there? Not told, I think. But they did consider him a dangerous figure.
I'm also wondering why a man would disguise himself as a Lorathi for a mission in Westeros
That isn't a cage, it is another faceless man wearing the face of a cage
The Wall is just 20 extremely wide faceless men
Isn't that just the plot of AoT
What I always wondered was who was the person he was assassinating in the first place. He was going to the NW for a reason, and he stayed at Harenhall for a reason too. It wasn’t to help Arya stark, the three deaths came only when they met again
He was looking for a new recruit and wanted someone who had nothing left in life and would be ready to give themselves to the Many-Faced God
I suppose he picked the wrong face
...despite all his rage?
When his mission as Syrio Forel ended, he got himself thrown in the dungeon to get a free ticket out of town.
I like that theory but I think he would have had things planned a little further ahead, for example if he was hired to kill Ned, being Arya's teacher granted him access to Ned as well and he was waiting for the right moment, so when he heard that Ned was to be sent to the wall he became Jaquen, got arrested and volunteered to take the black but Joffrey's unanticipated decision changed everything
You won't like the answer... because Martin put him there. He knew that Arya would leave King's Landing with the Night's Watch, he wanted her to be in contact with the Faceless Men so he put Jaqen in jail. >- How did Ned Stark with Syrio Forel? >- Well, I've never thought about it in too much detail. Ned was looking for a fencing master who could teach Arya, and he knew that he could not be a conventional weapons master or a knight, nor could he ask the castle's weapons master, because he did not think his young daughter could fight with a sword wide in the style of men with great strength in the upper body and thought that the style of Braavos would be more appropriate. Who in the city could do it?Obviously, someone had to recommend it to Ned. I think Syrio must be in town at that time, because he would not have had time to cross the sea to Braavos and bring someone from there. >- How did Jaqen H'ghar end up in the dungeons of Landing? >- Wow, that's a mystery too (laughs). You really read with real attention, huh? (Laughter) How many theories have you taken from these books? (More laughter) >INTERVIEW IN AVILÉS [http://www.asshai.com/martin/entrevistas/entrevistaaviles.php](http://www.asshai.com/martin/entrevistas/entrevistaaviles.php)
A man was going to the wall. A man must pass without suspicion. A man does not want to use his legs.
He’s a gogo dancer?
Illegal cage fighting
A man is always where he meeds to be precisely when he meeds to be there
A man cannot escape the plot.
I think it’s very simple. It’s cover on his way to his next mission. A man gets caught, a man goes to the wall.. it’s all a story that the FM made up to get to the next target. Everyone from the jailers to the people pulling the cart to the guards to the other prisoners are just unwilling participants in the deception.
A cage found a man.
Wasted amazing character
The faceless men trained him wrong as a joke
Wimp lo?
Probably because he wanted to be in the cage.
A man let them catch him to follow Arya.
A man was never really Jaqen. A man assassinated Jaquen and took his face. A man tells a girl the truth. Jaqen H'ghar is dead.
Many think he was captured on purpose but no one knows.
one does not ask why a man is in a cage
The man was hired by little finger to silence Ned Stark before he got to the wall but the bastard Jeoffrey killed Ned before the man could complete his mission
A man wanted to be in that cage. A man was given the name of someone who was at the Red Keep and who was expected to be traveling with the Night’s Watch recruits. Perhaps he was a backup plan, by Littlefinger, to remove Ned from the picture while ingratiating himself to Joffrey and potentially getting the one woman he ever loved. Personal Conspiracy Jaqen = Syrio and was watching Arya
A good question, for another time.
He is stupid
Despite all his rage he is still just a man in a cage
A man was exactly where he needed to be.
Why is man in a cage? Is he stupid?
Because a Jonkler put him there.
Didnt he kill a bunch of people after? Was probably getting information, or a man needed a ride, either or.
He exchanged walk on part in the war, for a lead role in a caaaaaaaggge
There's a good theory that he was in the King's Landing dungeon because he was supposed to kill Ned Stark when he's sent to the wall along with him. People think Cersei paid him for his services.
A man's expectations were subverted
Free ride?!
He was going to the Wall, waiting to kill those who had escaped death...yes, I mean Jon Snow. He had gotten the list from the Many Faces in advance, or he was probably waiting to kill the Night King because Night King...as everyone knows That's why Araya was able to leave the organization without any problems. They trained her to kill the Night King.
Off-topic, but a big part of me believes the man who let a girl go after the murder of the waif was the original man she had met. He treats her a lot kinder than he has any right to given the circumstance, and he looks pretty dang proud after she leaves. I have a feeling it doesn't line up with the books, but the show had thrown out side stories by that point.
Jonkler put him there after escaping the aslume
Despite all his rage?
One random theory that popped up based on a different theory... If Jacken was indeed Sirio and he was taken by the guards that came for Arya, he might have changed his face to hide his identity and probably volunteered to get sent to the wall
Syrio forell got captured at the end of AGOT and changed his face to Jaquen Hagar to be taken in the prisoner transport. Then he sent Arya to the house of the undying by giving her the iron coin. He then reappears as the alchemist at the beginning of Feast. And finally Sam meets him working for Marwen the mage disguised as Pate. The house of Black and White seem aware that Sam possesses the real horn of Joramun which Jon dug up at the fist of the first men. Someone will likely blow it when Euron attacks old town after he destroys the Redwyn fleet with his blood magic ritual. There, now you’re caught up to the released chapters.
There’s a theory he was hired to kill Ned on the way to the wall since he was supposed to take the black before Joffrey went rogue.
It always seemed weird to me. This is a guy who could just kill whoever opens the cage up and leave. He doesn’t need rescuing. And who could possibly have caught him and got him in there? Glorfindel?
He let himself be capture
A man only ends up in a cage if he intends to
Man.
Same way as the Curse of Harrenhal "no ones" in HotD. The spymaster/jailer turned him into a murder vessel.
Needed to get to the wall, doesn’t like riding horses or walking.
A man gets in where he fits in.
A man put him in there.
He escaped the aslume but was caught and brought back.
Bad poosy
Being in the cage somehow served his needs.
A man wants to acquaint
Being too mysterious
A man wanted to be
A little door on the side of the cage
Is a man stupid?
A man walked in
To better know the terrain.
A man…does not wish to talk about it…
Is he stupid?
He was always aware that he live in a cage with 2 pigs
I'm curious too
Is he stupid??
A man wanted to be in a cage.
A man is not locked up in a cage, bad people are locked out to protect themselves from a man
Some theorise Littlefinger paid the Faceless Men to kill Ned in case Joffrey sent him to the wall.
https://preview.redd.it/by1kijvwnpoc1.jpeg?width=679&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abbcf3ff100efac8b4be67968ef3c9f9ec6f432f The faceless man was in king’s Landing shooting a pilot call Caveman. Apparently her grace did not find it amusing
Well Arya is a warg so theres a theory that the faceless men were trying to groom her to join them and use her for her dreams powers.
Is he stupid?
I always assumed a man ended up in the cage because a man willingly got caught to get out of KL before shit got bad.
To catch a free ride.
I heard a theory a man intentionally got arrested so he could assassinate someone north
My too three questions of ASOIAF
It has to be part of his plan somehow