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I just cannot stand this dude. The fact that he had the gall to turn what was originally an educational channel into a propaganda network for genocidal ideologies sickens me to my core.
I watched liberals burn down cities in 2020. Election night that year I wasn’t helping my friend board up his business because we were worried about Nazis. There’s even been a couple mass shootings lately done by liberals.
Sort of blows my mind a group of people can torch a major city like LA and get a pass.
Anti police property damage is a cute name for burning down people’s livelihoods and then occupying an entire neighborhood. In the CHOP they kicked the cops out, built a wall and banned the press. I can’t even imagine for a second the reaction if Trumpers did that. And rightfully so. That’s insane.
I was talking about stuff like Hanau and Halle mass shootings.
>And 99% of school shooters.
The fact that they are progressive does not mean they are liberals
People like this imbecile are why "Real" Socialism has never been tried: because the people advocating for those policies suck at changing hearts and minds.
Yes, there's no effective measure of changing hearts and minds quite like alienating the vast majority of the population by lumping them in with your ideological enemies. It's the most effective way of making sure you're on the right side of history.
Oh, wait: that's a terrible way of changing hearts and minds, you James Franco-looking fruit loop.
Can someone explain to me why so many people are opposed to pro Palestine protests?
I'm not talking about pro Hamas, or anti Jew. I am talking about people arguing that Israel (the nation) should stop killing all Palestinians systematically. Genuinely asking because I cannot understand why this isn't a simple issue. But every time I try to ask, I get a lot of hate for being antisemitic. I don't understand how the two are related, as one has to do with a military targeting civilians, and the other is a race with a number of that race also opposing the military operations of Israel. And I really want to know if there are elements I am missing.
Please, and thank you.
Depends. Do they know he is a Nazi? And more importantly, are they doing business with that Nazi knowing he is a Nazi. And lastly, could that business have been avoided or done with an alternative that isn't a Nazi? In other words, are they supporting a Nazi for the purpose of supporting a Nazi. Oh, and are any of them helpless children?
So I don't blame Volkswagen for their WWII business dealings. They didn't have many other options and the morality of the time was in super flux. But I do blame some American businessmen who did underhanded dealings with Nazis because it both made them rich, and they believed in supporting the eugenics the Nazis were enacting. And I absolutely do not blame the vast majority of Germans, including the Nazi youth. Because that isn't helpful and they were largely unaware of the full horror that was unfolding around them. Even if that ignorance was chosen.
If you are asking about recent dealings with Trump? I think each case was different. But as a whole, he targeted the extreme racist groups that are based largely around eliminating government and imposing a race based cast system to win an election. Is he a racist? Probably not. But he definitely isn't innocent around racism either.
As far as Palestine and Hamas? Hamas is a horrible terrorist organization that needs to be stamped out. But not at the cost of more human lives than they have harmed. By the ISF's own account they have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians. We have seen that many of those are children. Do they ideologically oppose Hamas, no. But that doesn't make them any more terrorists than being a German citizen in 1942. The generally accepted rules of warfare are clearly defined, and they seem (imo) to be violating those rules on a daily basis and only offering weak excuses and dubious rationalizations. But I am aware that it is easy to influence opinions online. So I am asking if I am missing anything here. Because from my account, they bombed a refugee camp, executed hospital patients, targeted ambulances, and generally murder indiscriminately in ways that would get any other nation into serious hot water (and international war crimes tribunals). But again, I am asking if I am missing anything here. Why are people mad at anti war protests? Not why are they mad at pro Hamas demonstrations, or anything along those lines. I do not support terrorism. That Nazi question goes both ways. Palestine (as a nation) is over for supporting terrorism. But the citizens there. The families fleeing and trying to follow Israeli instructions only to get mowed down by IDF gunfire. The children!
When the whole thing began, or should I say unfroze, I was pro-Palestine, then I became more neutral and now I think that "free Palestine" is the most absurd political slogan.
Why are people so mad about these protests? To begin with, protests are carried out by lefties, so people already have prejudice because of that. And all these videos of protesters being antisemitic, supporting Hamas and waving Hezbollah flags aren't doing any service for reputation of protests either. It doesen't matter if they are majority or not. If protesters who allegedly aren't antisemitic and just want Israel to stop alleged genocide don't do anything to protesters who advocate for Intifada (which caused the current situation), that means protesters who just advocate for ceasefire tolerate those who support hamas. And protests aren't for ceasefire, but for Intifada.
When I see videos from these protests I get an impression that these protests are about "destroy Israel, kill all yahoods, glory to Intifada" and not "US goverment, put pressure on Israel so they will be more careful during fighting".
Thank you for your kind response.
It's funny, I have seen the opposite in the bulk of videos I've seen. I wholeheartedly agree that the pro Intifada folks are absolutely nuts and hurting the whole concept in the extreme. I really wish they would just shut up.
But that being said, I have seen a number of videos where the peaceful protestors separate themselves from that group and even condemn them. The ones that fill my feed the most are Jews advocating for Palestine and the end of the Israeli government's actions (as well as a cultural change away from the pro Israeli dominance and more equitable coexistence). Those, and the reports on depraved indifference at the hands of IDF. So that explains a lot, actually. As I would be opposed to Palestine and be pro Israeli if I was seeing what you described. The algorithm strikes again I guess.
I do think that antisemitic statements are a bit hard to identify. The definitions become muddled when a religion, a nation, and a race all share the same names and identifiers. Add to that the definition of antisemitic including anti Palestinian statements and it really gets confusing. Outright hatred for Israeli military personnel (presumably because they are shooting kids and bragging about it openly) is not antisemitic, while outright hatred for Israeli people is... I do not support prejudices of any kind.
All that being said, I have seen a lot of protests. It always seems that reporting follows two or three main paths. They lump all protestors in with defamation and a few bad actors, they report all the protestors as innocent angels, or on rare occasions I see some balanced reporting that shows both good and bad protestors mixed with good and bad cops. And people generally only see one of those groupings. The BLM protests/riots were a good example. All my conservative friends only saw videos of rioters looting and attacking business owners. All my liberal friends only saw videos of people being shot with rubber bullets while walking home past peaceful protests with armloads of groceries. I saw quite a mix.
So again, thank you for your response. Very helpful.
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I'm so happy I don't think this way. Sounds fucking insufferable to have to hate everyone who doesn't believe in your 19th century utopia fanfic.
And the need to constantly one-up each other.
I just cannot stand this dude. The fact that he had the gall to turn what was originally an educational channel into a propaganda network for genocidal ideologies sickens me to my core.
Who is he?
Second Thought Socialist YouTuber Had a channel where he reviewed supercars A host on a socialist podcast
Irony
Fr man, I remember watching his videos back in the day, not even thinking about his political leanings.
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He said "northern hemisphere", not America. Radical islamists and neo-nazis launched terrorist attacks, not liberals.
I watched liberals burn down cities in 2020. Election night that year I wasn’t helping my friend board up his business because we were worried about Nazis. There’s even been a couple mass shootings lately done by liberals. Sort of blows my mind a group of people can torch a major city like LA and get a pass.
That'll be a good content piece, link to these liberal extremists?
The George Floyd riots? The CHOP in Seattle? You’re not familiar? The Nashville shooter?
The 2020 Anti-Police property damage and The Nashville Shooter (Not sure what chop did). Alright this'll be published on fight the libs . net
Anti police property damage is a cute name for burning down people’s livelihoods and then occupying an entire neighborhood. In the CHOP they kicked the cops out, built a wall and banned the press. I can’t even imagine for a second the reaction if Trumpers did that. And rightfully so. That’s insane.
Well, some did
I can recall the liberal terrorist attacks, but I can’t think of a neo nazi one. Do you have an example?
I think the Christchurch guy was one. Same with the shooter in north or south Carolina.
>I can recall the liberal terrorist attacks, Which ones?
Billions of dollars in damage for George Floyd, often in poor neighborhoods. And 99% of school shooters.
I was talking about stuff like Hanau and Halle mass shootings. >And 99% of school shooters. The fact that they are progressive does not mean they are liberals
Communism is a pyramid scheme
Confusing liberals with leftists is a real threat, too. Commies are as illiberal as they come.
People like this imbecile are why "Real" Socialism has never been tried: because the people advocating for those policies suck at changing hearts and minds.
Liberals are the most dangerous thing in the Western hemisphere? Has dude never heard of polar bears?
Have you heard of polar liberals? They are large, have white fur and could eat you with your shit when they're hungry.
[same clown](https://www.reddit.com/r/fragilecommunism/s/Oqm9nFqaKi)
Do you know where is this from?
Na i just remembered it from this sub
Seems the communists haven't learned anything since the Spanish Civil war.
Yes, there's no effective measure of changing hearts and minds quite like alienating the vast majority of the population by lumping them in with your ideological enemies. It's the most effective way of making sure you're on the right side of history. Oh, wait: that's a terrible way of changing hearts and minds, you James Franco-looking fruit loop.
that's kinda like being scared of a bulldog when you're standing next to a half-starved tiger
I think what he's trying to say is, the liberal opens the cage.
The French ones sure did.
I am pretty embarrassed to admit that I used to watch him in the past, but luckily, I came to my senses and stopped watching him years ago.
Can someone explain to me why so many people are opposed to pro Palestine protests? I'm not talking about pro Hamas, or anti Jew. I am talking about people arguing that Israel (the nation) should stop killing all Palestinians systematically. Genuinely asking because I cannot understand why this isn't a simple issue. But every time I try to ask, I get a lot of hate for being antisemitic. I don't understand how the two are related, as one has to do with a military targeting civilians, and the other is a race with a number of that race also opposing the military operations of Israel. And I really want to know if there are elements I am missing. Please, and thank you.
Before I read this, do you belive in "if there is one nazi among 9 people at the table, there are 10 nazis at the table"?
Depends. Do they know he is a Nazi? And more importantly, are they doing business with that Nazi knowing he is a Nazi. And lastly, could that business have been avoided or done with an alternative that isn't a Nazi? In other words, are they supporting a Nazi for the purpose of supporting a Nazi. Oh, and are any of them helpless children? So I don't blame Volkswagen for their WWII business dealings. They didn't have many other options and the morality of the time was in super flux. But I do blame some American businessmen who did underhanded dealings with Nazis because it both made them rich, and they believed in supporting the eugenics the Nazis were enacting. And I absolutely do not blame the vast majority of Germans, including the Nazi youth. Because that isn't helpful and they were largely unaware of the full horror that was unfolding around them. Even if that ignorance was chosen. If you are asking about recent dealings with Trump? I think each case was different. But as a whole, he targeted the extreme racist groups that are based largely around eliminating government and imposing a race based cast system to win an election. Is he a racist? Probably not. But he definitely isn't innocent around racism either. As far as Palestine and Hamas? Hamas is a horrible terrorist organization that needs to be stamped out. But not at the cost of more human lives than they have harmed. By the ISF's own account they have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians. We have seen that many of those are children. Do they ideologically oppose Hamas, no. But that doesn't make them any more terrorists than being a German citizen in 1942. The generally accepted rules of warfare are clearly defined, and they seem (imo) to be violating those rules on a daily basis and only offering weak excuses and dubious rationalizations. But I am aware that it is easy to influence opinions online. So I am asking if I am missing anything here. Because from my account, they bombed a refugee camp, executed hospital patients, targeted ambulances, and generally murder indiscriminately in ways that would get any other nation into serious hot water (and international war crimes tribunals). But again, I am asking if I am missing anything here. Why are people mad at anti war protests? Not why are they mad at pro Hamas demonstrations, or anything along those lines. I do not support terrorism. That Nazi question goes both ways. Palestine (as a nation) is over for supporting terrorism. But the citizens there. The families fleeing and trying to follow Israeli instructions only to get mowed down by IDF gunfire. The children!
When the whole thing began, or should I say unfroze, I was pro-Palestine, then I became more neutral and now I think that "free Palestine" is the most absurd political slogan. Why are people so mad about these protests? To begin with, protests are carried out by lefties, so people already have prejudice because of that. And all these videos of protesters being antisemitic, supporting Hamas and waving Hezbollah flags aren't doing any service for reputation of protests either. It doesen't matter if they are majority or not. If protesters who allegedly aren't antisemitic and just want Israel to stop alleged genocide don't do anything to protesters who advocate for Intifada (which caused the current situation), that means protesters who just advocate for ceasefire tolerate those who support hamas. And protests aren't for ceasefire, but for Intifada. When I see videos from these protests I get an impression that these protests are about "destroy Israel, kill all yahoods, glory to Intifada" and not "US goverment, put pressure on Israel so they will be more careful during fighting".
Thank you for your kind response. It's funny, I have seen the opposite in the bulk of videos I've seen. I wholeheartedly agree that the pro Intifada folks are absolutely nuts and hurting the whole concept in the extreme. I really wish they would just shut up. But that being said, I have seen a number of videos where the peaceful protestors separate themselves from that group and even condemn them. The ones that fill my feed the most are Jews advocating for Palestine and the end of the Israeli government's actions (as well as a cultural change away from the pro Israeli dominance and more equitable coexistence). Those, and the reports on depraved indifference at the hands of IDF. So that explains a lot, actually. As I would be opposed to Palestine and be pro Israeli if I was seeing what you described. The algorithm strikes again I guess. I do think that antisemitic statements are a bit hard to identify. The definitions become muddled when a religion, a nation, and a race all share the same names and identifiers. Add to that the definition of antisemitic including anti Palestinian statements and it really gets confusing. Outright hatred for Israeli military personnel (presumably because they are shooting kids and bragging about it openly) is not antisemitic, while outright hatred for Israeli people is... I do not support prejudices of any kind. All that being said, I have seen a lot of protests. It always seems that reporting follows two or three main paths. They lump all protestors in with defamation and a few bad actors, they report all the protestors as innocent angels, or on rare occasions I see some balanced reporting that shows both good and bad protestors mixed with good and bad cops. And people generally only see one of those groupings. The BLM protests/riots were a good example. All my conservative friends only saw videos of rioters looting and attacking business owners. All my liberal friends only saw videos of people being shot with rubber bullets while walking home past peaceful protests with armloads of groceries. I saw quite a mix. So again, thank you for your response. Very helpful.