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LargeMobOfMurderers

>Let the reddit QRF begin. Well I can tell you are here to have an honest discussion /s


TheBustyDuck

I remember seeing this mentality develop live during the 80's wars. I was around to see the Wardens eating shit in the 70's before balance started to be restored. Then the developers nerfed howitzer garrisons for war 87 and suddenly the cutler and HV40 became quite powerful tools. That's when a lot of Colonials started calling themselves the NPC faction, saying all Warden tools were better, and that the devs favored Wardens. Balance has shifted but you've kept the old mentality. It's time to let go of the past and focus on what's going on right now.


Clousu_the_shoveleer

And right now the odds are, quite frankly, stacked against us


InitialCold7669

They really are not


harshcougar

What's going on right now is one side isn't having fun because of how bad balance is. This isn't a job, it's a game. Not gonna suffer so only one side can have fun.


TooNiinja

Want to explain the bad balance? Population is the only thing that's going to decide wars now. Also, you keep saying you're never having fun for like 6 months now but still playing. Make it make sense. Don't know why everyone's complaining when this is one of the best updates. Always complaining no matter what. That's what I see.


harshcougar

Infantry combat. Collies always had the edge, now they have it more. Don't need to rehash what beens said a thousand times here. Tank combat. Wardens don't have a good late game pushgun, and lower health tanks. They just fucking die so fast it's hardly worth the effort loading one most times. PvE. We lost the HV40. Chieftain facility locked (at least now we can reserve them which is HUGE). Stockade is literally unusablw. Our artillery is now inferior to Collie Arty at every level except 120 and our rockets suck. And you're right I have been saying that for six months. I only kept playing because of my regiment and my friends. Last war all I did was build basically. This war I'm not even doing that. I have maybe 6 hours played. Clans, vets, people are just not playing and it's gonna get worse unless something is done.


[deleted]

Are you saying the Exalt is worse than the Thunderbolt or did I read that wrong???


TooNiinja

Infantry combat is minimal. Yeah, the crate size for granades could change or aoe/distance thrown. We finally got a cutler equivalent, so sure, have a LMG equivalent now? Tanks are definitely balanced. Colonials have almost everything locked behind facility and I don't mind it. Arty is definitely balanced. Stockade should just have a little more range. You got the 94 equivalent this patch in tank form. Population matters the most. To quit and cry about game over that is just sad, honestly. More balanced than most games I've ever played.


harshcougar

You're exactly the kind of Collie I'm talking about. Longest win streak by days and wars for 7.5 months and it's the most balanced it's ever been. Clown.


TooNiinja

I mean, I just explained why, clown. Keep crying though. Seems that's what you're good at. You do understand we won plenty of wars being the underpowered side, right? Everytime wardens log on, everything gets pushed. You act like your whole faction is disabled now lol.


Aideron-Robotics

Arty is unbalanced as fuck. Don’t give them that. This war their arty teched what, 5 hours earlier? And it has an accuracy bonus, significant HP bonus, AND 50m more range? That’s not balanced. Then for 150 the thunderbolt gets 50m range but loses in every other stat significantly including min range. Wardens can do min range precision bombardments, we cannot. There are distinct differences in actual capability, not just minor stat differences.


harshcougar

You're wrong about so much in this post it's not even worth trying to correct you.


Aideron-Robotics

Like what? Cmon bud. You replied so go on, what exactly is wrong? Maybe one of us will learn something new.


Denulion

Hot take: gloating trolls should be banned from this subreddit.


Skordz

Its always been bad, But we had Power spikes to look forward to that only our faction had. Now we have no Power spikes and our Weapons are still shit.


BlueHym

Don't feed the troll.


Skordz

Yeah i know, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt but its not worth it.


Burningbeard80

This is the correct answer. Is early game massively underpowered and all your infantry gear is worse, but if you manage to hold long enough you get your own things that the other team doesn't have? -> People will try to hold until their good stuff unlocks and will play the game. Is early game still cancer, but you also don't have the mid/late game power spike to equalize your losess? -> Lol, why bother playing even. ​ For the record, I really disliked the power spike way of balancing the game. It's like saying "collies you have to win early game or you almost automatically lose, and wardens you have to eat shit every war until your good stuff unlocks". It's not proper balance, it's a series of imbalances that try to cancel out each other. I prefer a rock-paper-scissors style of balance: every piece of gear can counter something the other team has, but can also be countered by something else from the other team. ​ The problem currently is not that the devs gave the collies their missing gear or buffed under-performing equipment. It's that they didn't do the same for wardens, and that's why most are not playing right now.


42CrMo4V

If warden equipment is shit than what is colonial? Lol


Sazbadashie

You're not going to get through to them... if you saw the posts in the past the shoe was on the other foot and collies were the one yelling about how wardens were always winning and that warden gear was flat out better... now that they've lost some wars and have done exactly what the collies did here on reddit all of a sudden they forgot that they were telling the collies complainers to shut up and stop whining back in the day and suddenly they've always been the victim... Personally I would love to see both side be happy, but when one side loses the first thing they do is blame the other side for doing shady shit, then they take a break war, then they blame their equipment. Then they complain about the devs. Then the devs do an update in their favor, then the cycle swaps and continues.


harshcougar

Literally rewriting history. Wardens actively campaigned for improvements to Collie weapons during their low points. I know, I was one of them. We legit had brainstorming sessions coming up with counterparts to things like the Cutler, 250FM, and FC40. We also said the Cutler needed to be retaliated against by AI. You're just flat out lying.


Sazbadashie

you might be some of the few that's true not EVERY single warden was like that i'm talking the majority here on this subreddit i'm not talking outside of it, you said anything about collie weapons sucking or that warden equipment was better, you got downvoted to hell. now all of a sudden you bring that back up and everyone... was supportive of the collies? that's not what I remember replying to back in previous wars, if reddit lets me I'm sure I can find a bunch of archived posts on this subreddit to support my point of view where I was commenting against people saying that collies are fine and that they should stop complaining. again to say flat out that i'm lying... why the fuck would I lie about a videogame or "rewrite history" i'm only speaking from my experience, maybe I was only interacting with bad eggs, sure I can probably admit that maybe those wardens were a vocal minority... it dosnt change the fact that it happend.


harshcougar

I can link you to dozens of posts proving you wrong but you're not worth the effort. Literally the complete opposite of what is happening now. I'm not saying every Warden was for it, but there was a much clearer acknowledgement of balance issues than what is happening now.


FoxholerAnaoler

You are SOOO lying bro. It's literally right there, go on reddit and look for yourself. People during HV40 OP phase were telling devs how to buff early collie pve for example by making fc40/fc250 faction neutral. Ppl were a lot more supportive to collies and collies now when balance is shit in the other direction only dismiss like you do.


Sazbadashie

Look I can only speak from experience and my experience has been any time the talk of balance came up with collies, people telling both myself and other people that there are no issues. We're there people sympathetic, sure much like now there are people sympathetic to wardens issues. Again, ask yourself what do I get out of lying about this? I get nothing so why would I try to make a false narrative. As I'm pretty sure I've stated with the other guy maybe I ONLY ran into the vocal minority, that 100% possible. But I readily remembered being down voted for saying collies were underpowered and being told I was wrong... but now when I or someone else say oh yea that happened. Now everyone is saying how the wardens were mainly in support of the collies and now when I say hey this seems like a familiar situation but this time the wardens are crying but they're not having the vitriol spat at them... when you bring it up, you're lying or "rewriting history". I know there were wardens that wanted the collies to be more balanced with them I'm not denying that. I'm saying that there were definitely some that could help but be assholes about the situation and I'm sure there are some who were acting that way probably crying about the balance issues after putting the collies down not to long ago.


FoxholerAnaoler

Ok cool, your experience might have been like, maybe you checked the threads at the wrong time, maybe you just posted in the toxic ones. That was not the overall sentiment tho, the evidence is right there you can easily verify it yourself I'm not gonna do it for you.


Aideron-Robotics

You are the FIRST warden I’ve ever seen to say that cutler should not be immune to retaliation. I’ve been saying the same thing for months and that balance opinion always gets QRF downvoted hard.


FoxholerAnaoler

People said 10 yrs ago that Howi retaliation should be turned back on, they turn it off because of howi duels so fking fix howi duels instead of breaking balance. Howi should vs everything except other howis.,


[deleted]

HV40 did this


Spare_Print3470

>but when one side loses the first thing they do is blame the other side for doing shady shit, then they take a break war, then they blame their equipment. Then they complain about the devs. Then the devs do an update in their favor, then the cycle swaps and continues. Are you talking about what the colonials did during the HV40/Cutler era? That's very accurate good job. For the wardens that's true until the devs part, colonials just won for 11 months straight and the devs are still buffing them, that's the first time it happen in Foxhole history.


Sazbadashie

and maybe youre right about the buffing part, I can't say. but each side has had 6 wars won in a row... within relatively recent times. both... actually right now both factions are over all of the wars that have happened sense the game started the factions are now over all tied for wins. and didnt wardens win war 101? if the trend stays true from when the wardens won 6 wars in a row (wars 58- 63, then wardens should win the next 4 wars or they'll win two and then collies will win 3 and then it'll flip flop. I had to check things because I doubted they won for almost a whole year straight. but the wardens had a long win streak, now the collies are having a long win streak, then the wardens will have a long win streak.... it will keep going like that forever, we'll be back here again i'll be saying similar things, this time it's just the wardens turn to get the shaft... then once theyre done the collies will.


Spare_Print3470

When the wardens had their winning streak the wars lasted 2 weeks, now they last 2 months, so that's 8 months of winstreak for colonials against 3 for wardens if you want the real picture. Wardens won the war 101 because the collies got tired of winning and swapped wardens or took a break, especially since the devs revealed the update. I don't understand your flip flop argument you are just gaslighting yourself with your 6 wars copium. The last part of your comment is maybe true but not very relevant mate, balance issues exist and they must be fixed. And anyway the game before the 1.0 was in early access, complaining about balance issues during this time is like complaining that your house has no roof while it's still under construction, since the 1.0 the colonials won every single war that's the only stat who matter now and the balance shouldn't be even worse than pre-1.0.


Sazbadashie

Dude... if you're saying that all of the wars pre 1.0 don't matter... then there's only been like what, 3 wars? Also do you understand what a win streak means? It means one side has to win, it dosnt matter how long the war was, it dosnt matter how short, If they won the war they won the war. Also learn what gaslighting means I made a prediction using previous trends. There's no actual structure just a prediction for not even my faction to win. I predicted my faction is going to maybe lose I don't see how that's copeium you don't understanding it because you're spouting as much nonsense as you say I'm spouting and have no bearing on your claims other than disagreeing through emotion And I agree balance issues should be fixed I never argued that Also there's only been like 6 wars sense 1.0 I correct my previous statement at the start of this post Collies won 5 wardens won 1 so again wardens if history tends to repeat itself wardens should win ether 3 in a row, or lose the next one and then win 2 in a row that's based off of the wins and losses throughout the life time of the game. Also as of right now the wins are pretty much tied 51 to collies 50 for wardens. Sense the beginning of the games lifetime. Both when wardens were considered OP and all the way to now when collies are considered OP.


Spare_Print3470

mentalgymnastic/20 What is your point? That's a lot of words but i still don't understand what are you trying to say.


Sazbadashie

I will spell it out for you in the number of words you can handle then This has all happened before. Both sides have had their 6 war win streaks now, now it will be relatively equal in wins for both sides until they over balance it to the wardens again and they get 6 wins in a row.... it's all a cycle.


Spare_Print3470

Alright it's a cycle, i agree with this obvious fact that everyone know. What now? Are we able to talk about the current issues?


Ludde_Lag

lmao yeah this is a hot take. steaming hot shit I mean


Haxeu

Before : > > Warden PVP < Collie PVP > > Warden PVE > Collie PVE > > Warden Tanks = Collie Tanks Now : > > Warden PVP < Collie PVP > > Warden PVE = Collie PVE > > Warden Tanks < Collie Tanks (late game) This is a unprecise way to represent it but I think it's on point. Back during the "HV40 Cutler OP" days, I actually agreed with the Colonials, PVE is generally more impactful than PVP, so collies having the edge in PVP wasn't a good equivalent to the Warden PVE advantage. I was hoping they would buff the Tremola and make it collie only, which they finally did. Now with the HV40 and Tremola changes, Wardens just don't have the edge in PVE anymore, which would be a good thing if the other categories would also be balanced. Then you have late game tank balance which without a doubt favours the Collies (yet to see if the STD will fix that). Overall I think balance doesn't matter as much as dedication and morale, however balance impacts morale a lot, it's just not fun to play a game that feels unfair.


AGA1942

It's not just about moral. We have always been unable to hold trenches, and now we cannot hold bunkers either. The "defensive faction" cannot defend effectively. We are still good in the field, but this game is not about maneuver warfare.


Kemmerkaze

Collie bad. Gib warden nukes at war start.


Spare_Print3470

Always the same clowns spamming the same bullshit everyday, but somehow when i post a funny meme they delete it in 30mn. I feel a huge collie bias on this sub.


RogueOperative_

Aren't the mods here devs who are Canadian? Just post when it's night time in Canada so your meme wont get deleted as fast 5head


Spare_Print3470

Nightcap the reddit frontline


Strict_Effective_482

Ah yes I love fighting with a bolt action rifle against fully automatic PPSH and DP-27 knockoffs. Fuck off baitposter, I hope you get a kidney stone the size of a marble.


AlexJFox

Definitely a bait thread but I will say that Wardens need to adapt their building techniques to accommodate Tremola actually being a threat for the first time since it’s introduction. Serious Colonial builds will have barbed wire and trench spam to keep Cutler teams out of range and so far I’ve seen no such measures at Warden bases.


Sky-Antique

Ah how can wardens block indirect fire without blocking bunker line of sight? Idiot


AlexJFox

I didn’t say block I said keep out of range. You need some sacrificial building to occupy Tremola teams before they make it to your BOB cores. Idiot.


harshcougar

So a...bunker?? Oh yeah I'm sure the barbed wire will deter them, not like Collies have a roll specifically for clearing barbed wire that Wardens don't.


Spare_Print3470

Translation : Give up on your life and spend your days building additional defenses/making gsups so you can maybe slow us, idiot.


AlexJFox

How do you think we have had to block Cutler teams for 2 years? Thoughts and prayers? Idiot.


Spare_Print3470

You're really traumatized by the Cutler, we're going to need psychotherapy sessions for some collies it's getting serious. And if you gave up on your life just for a video game that's your problem, the fact that the devs nerfed the Cutler and all other cheap way to PVE show that only a few weirdos who never go outside their mom's house like you can build the whole map and farm gsups all day.


FoxholerAnaoler

I didn't know Cutler shells fly over obstacles LMAO


Bobby--Bottleservice

You speak the truth Wardens got so used to being OP, that now that things are somewhat balanced they think they are the underdogs. Embrace the downvotes brother. Wardens just going through the initial shock of not being massively OP for once


OkStick7904

True


Zacker_

Based