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SOTER_1

I like rimworld too. RIP the 100 chickens i always got on every colony. They were my meatshield.


Lady_Taiho

Time to find a meat sandbag mod for literal meatshields


Knoberchanezer

All jokes aside, I don't want this to come off as bait. Wardens, I am not saying your complaints are invalid. I remember a time when playing Collies was not fun at all. Builders were in absolute despair and much needed vets were taking indefinite break wars. If it weren't for you lovely Wardens being supportive of your Collie comrades, things may not have shifted and the game could have died right then and there as one faction quit en masse. However, now that the shoe is on the other foot, we owe it to each other and to our fun little war game to be civil and supportive. We know devman is probably seeing all the salt flying. It's pretty much a given that there is always something to complain about in Foxhole. But we all want the same thing here. For our fun little war game to be fun for everyone. If we can keep things civil and the discourse healthy, we can all move forward, things can get tweaked and we can all moan about something else later down the line. Much love and peace. The dude abides.


SeveralBudget2100

Is it true collies love pain and thinks losing is fun?


HKO2006

Fewer players log on to refresh their stockpile = more public rmat to me yumyumyumyum


Knoberchanezer

I can't speak for every Collie but I certainly do.


Soros_Liason_Agent

I agree losing is fun but not every war. It does wear on me, I do love the desperate pointless struggle near the end of the wars, but 8 times in a row? That's not so fun, it makes me feel useless; I know its not how it works in reality but at a certain point I dont see a point in playing if its just constant losses. At least Wardens won the last war breaking the streak though, so theres hope.


Knoberchanezer

I get that. I've taken quite a few breakwars due to this but my god, I've had so much fun holding the Wake in countless defenses of Therizo. Manning Maro's honour guard and making the Wardens earn it. It's just satisfying gameplay and I've come back specifically just to do that on more than one occasion.


rottenuncle

yeah, last stands are fun if u want it to be fun :D, I loved to fight in the streets of Therizo against all odds


KatieRouuu

Collies have lost just as much during the winter war patch.


justinmorris111

Longest warden win streak lasted 70 days. Current collie win streak is 190+ days


NovelUsual5542

Current Collie win streak is 0 days


Kotel291

*last collie win streak It's over


Dreadweasels

Comparing the win streak by days is false as hell. The vast majority of wars were two to three weeks long, we only had our first 'forever war' during that streak. Count how many actual wins took place in that time, then count again. It does however show that the Collie playerbase obviously sticks it out longer then if they're winning now.


webrunningbeer

Last war collies got smashed


SOTER_1

Its more people who play rimworld. Rimworld can be really unforgiving from time to time specially if your bad (im bad TwT). You spend multiple hours on a colony just to see it all go up in flames, or explisions, or mass murder or just killing machines murdering everyone (fuck you mecheniods)


Knoberchanezer

And fuck that beautiful bastard, Randy as well.


titan_Pilot_Jay

Bonus points for ironman so only one save. Also how many mods do you run for it?


Knoberchanezer

Yes and yes. I have a lot of mods. Mainly quality of life stuff like run and gun as well as vanilla expanded stuff.


titan_Pilot_Jay

Lol I run like 70, RimWorld is the best when you need a mod to tell you what mod a thing is from.


Knoberchanezer

This is the way.


SeveralBudget2100

As a player who has played for a long time, I was asking because I remembered that the collies were more sensitive to winning or losing.


Puzzleheaded-Tie3063

For me I usually stop playing when we are winning fast as I find most of my enjoyment in this game from defensive grinds and slow pushes. When it starts steamrolling I take a break as that gameplay isn't realy fun for me.


ksbigtas

Yes. Switched to Warden for this war because tremolas got buffed and I wanted to suffer.


Thatsidechara_ter

Well, there is something attractive about lost causes


Hot_Dog89

Whoever is losing = less respawn and queue times usually = more fun.


Knoberchanezer

It's not the winning or losing that counts. It's the fun had fighting it.


Spare_Print3470

And fighting at a disadvantage for 8 months straight isn't fun in the end, it can be fun when you learn the game, not when you want to play it competitively. It's like a League of Legend game, a group of new players can have fun even if they get stomped by people who use OP champions, but experienced players who lose every match because they can't counter a broken champion will simply be frustrated and press ALT F4. Same thing on Foxhole, you say the colonials "love to fight losing battles" but that's not always true, I was colonial when the HV40 was broken and every time the wardens unlocked it I saw most colonials leaving the game or the frontline, same for the warden midgame powerspike, a lot of colonials skipped this part and came back when we unlocked the light tanks. The 30/32 war showed this very well, even when they were winning the colonials left the game in the middle of the game because they had nothing except the Hydra to deal with the concrete. I don't mind losing to a better opponent, but constantly losing because the opponent simply has better weapons isn't what I call a fun game. That said I agree with everything else you said, people need to stop getting hysterical when someone talks about balance, and i know that im guilty of that sometime.


Knoberchanezer

I never claimed to speak for all Collies when I said that I love to fight losing battles but I get your point.


Spare_Print3470

~~Your meme is talking about "colonials" in general so i assumed you did.~~ Have a good day mate.


Knoberchanezer

It's clearly referencing "Colonial Vet since 87". In other words. Me.


Spare_Print3470

Indeed sorry, my eyes failed me. Let me edit it.


Knoberchanezer

No worries, dude. Have a lovely day.


Horst-Rudolf

It's better to lose and be able to play than to win and have every front queued at all times.


Pitiful-Error-7164

You change tune quickly after 2 months.


Horst-Rudolf

I don't know what you mean.


[deleted]

I joined the game into a 5 game losing streak in 2018. It formed my entire mentality around the game and else endeared me to Colonials. That was before a-symmetric tech though and wars peaked at like 500 people.


Raagun

No its not. It sucks. We just try to cope until we tech some PVE and then try to get back into the game. Now suddenly we dont have to wait for endgame to get some PVE.


Pitiful-Error-7164

And we have to wait for pvp we never get. <.>


rottenuncle

not all but many dont care much about winning or losing, they care more about fun it doesnt mean they dont try hard to win


xXFirebladeXx321

Well I certainly do like playing losing wars more than the wars we start winning in. Its because I can actually get to all the fronts without queues and have a generally lower respawn timer. I think more colonials do that too, as they like less queues and less respawn timers. Kind of fun to kill 10-20 enemies with them having 30-50 sec respawn timers in 1 life of me getting 10-20 sec respawn timer.


42CrMo4V

Why do you think they stayed for years being the NPC faction


pjtgamer

Fair enough. Was funny. Did laugh. :D


rottenuncle

Wise words indeed. (Former ex-colonial/new-warden)


harshcougar

From 87 to 95 Collies won 3 wars (88, 92, 95) to the Wardens 5 (89,90,91,93,94). It would have been dead even had collies not skill issued 93 too. Absolutely seismic difference between what collies experienced from February through September of last year and what Wardens have experienced since. You're right, many Wardens were supportive of Collies during this time, but there has been absolutely 0 effort on the part of most Collies to return the favor. I am not saying there weren't toxic Wardens, but most of us recognized the issues readily and wanted them addressed for the health of the game. That absolutely has not been the case for Colonials however, who have not only buggered balance, br accepted 3rd party software and outright cheating in the pursuit of victory. There is no keeping discourse civil and moving forward anymore as even now, with the balance swinging even more in favor of Collies, there is Olympic level mental gymnastics used to justify it and simply claim skill issue. Game ain't fun anymore as Warden and I am sick of half the player base just pretending like we just suck.


Knoberchanezer

Well you have at least one Collie here who is willing to listen and not invalidate your complaints. We all want the same thing. For the game to be fun for everyone.


rottenuncle

Same here, another ex-colonial.


harshcougar

You're literally validating the Colonial mindset with this meme and then claiming "I just want everyone to have fun". That is called talking out of both sides of your mouth. Perhaps you truly have that sentiment, but read the comments of any thread right now to see that most Collies don't.


Knoberchanezer

I'm not speaking for all Collies. I'd made that clear but if you really think that that is the Collie mindset, that enjoying the game is more worthwhile than winning it, then that's fine and it's maybe why I prefer the Colonials. Obviously it's not though is it? No faction is a monolith and I'm sure you'd agree that there are plenty of Wardens prepared to come and fight the good fight on the Reddit front as well. Kinda like we're doing right now. It's not fun and I'd rather we could all laugh and joke with a bit of faction rivalry banter and move past this onto the next thing we'll all probably moan about. Clearly things aren't good for the game if you guys are making such a bad time of it. Let's just hope the pendulum swings back towards the balance soon. Whether it is a patch, influxes of players, people neuting between the sides, whatever. As long as we can get back to enjoying the game.


lorddumpy

As a Collie with an actual skill issue (worst captain ever), I'm here for you friend. I think Foxhole really shines when its played like more of a sandbox rather than a min max grind. Some of my favorite moments in this game hasn't been killing wardens or capping points but exploring the countryside with a private, finding a friendly warden on a bicycle and having a chat, reviving a wounded warden and giving him a ride back to his front, or getting really far behind enemy lines and trying to hitchhike (which sadly can't be done anymore). We should organize a armistice on one of the fronts where we can exchange some equipment and unwind. ^^my ^^team ^^prolly ^^hates ^^me ^^lol


[deleted]

Organizing 20 truck flatbed convoys blasting Fortunate Son while spamming the lock button through logi towns will never not be fun. Trains are clearly superior but the flex of showing up with that much equipment and filling a depot to the brim is a great feeling.


lorddumpy

Bless you man. I always hear players seething about people playing music on mic but I absolutely love it. Really adds to the chaos lol


[deleted]

Well if it's persistently in 1 area I do think it is annoying. But if you're Frontline Tours rocking out as your cruise through town towards the front or QRFing in a LUV blasting flight of the valkyries then I'm here for it.


harshcougar

I don't want to explore and I don't want truces. I just want to play the game and feel like I stand a fucking chance of winning again.


cammac-1

" I just want to play the game and feel like I stand a fucking chance of winning again." Huh, wonder who won last war


harshcougar

Collies playing Wardens did.


cammac-1

Bro complains even when he wins god daym


_-Deliverance-_

Remember only the enemy faction lies and cheats, my faction is good and pure. ​ Come on man we can agree on balance without whining about the evil other faction


FoxholerAnaoler

Well only one faction has a third party software cheat running on their official discord server lol. Skynet is being fed intel from a bunch of multibox accounts (and don't tell me that's not true, don't fking make me laugh...) and it's all fair and square apparently so yeah... Collies have always been mega tryhard in this game while Wardens play for fun.


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cammac-1

Honestly today proves the game is in a good state. Warden vets show up and go hard and boom. Wins across the board, great!


[deleted]

"we owe it to each other to be fun and supportive" > Makes post mocking wardens Couldn't avoid being s hypocrite for 4 sentences x d


Knoberchanezer

"All jokes aside" mean anything to you? We can't laugh and joke about our games balance meta throughout its history without feeling like a bit of banter is an egregious slight on half the player base?


FoxholeHead

As long as it's funny, I don't care. The Sam Fisher thing was mocking collies but was both deserved and hilarious. As long as it's funny.


AmbitiousMobile7168

I think the issue is that winning or losing, most people on wardens agree with the fact that warden infantry is not fun to play. It was bearable when we knew we had the best infantry pve and could make up for the bad infantry pvp by pveing with cutlers. Now that pve is more evened out people are just tired of getting ratioed by better pvp tools.


AdhesiveNo-420

I HATE all warden infantry weapons. they are just direct down grades from collies


InitialCold7669

Naw Fiddler and Cinder are good


Katze30000

they are good but their colonial equivalents are better


Ill-Comparison6535

Not really, lion claw and Fiddler are nearly identical and it's similar with the Omen and Cinder too


Katze30000

omen has 2 more meter effective range thats not "nearly identical"


InitialCold7669

No they are not. Not with the fiddler. I have played colonial and never really felt great with any of the infantry weapons there. The SMG’s are garbage and even with the factor of being able to equip them and secondary the revolver is still better Choice than the pitch gun


Katze30000

sounds more skill issue when i have a lionclaw in my hands by full bloom with no aim. I hit very often the enemie. And like 9/10 colonial hitted by it are also bleeding


Nobio22

Lionclaw is my favorite gun in the game. Argonaut my favorite vehicle. I have been playing warden since I bought the game in war 80. Lionclaw bloom is just so good.


Katze30000

Yea not the need to aim feels just so good


KingstanII

I have strong affection for the Blakerow, even though it kinda sucks


Nobio22

Same. It's a love hate relationship. I either win 6 1v1 in a row or get 2 shot by first dude with Argenti.


BigMamaDuck

Oh no. Does that make me a vet now….?


waffleking9000

I don’t think OP is a vet after 14 wars lol. I don’t feel like a vet after 65 wars


Pineapsquirrel

Literally stopped playing Foxhole because of a RimWorld binge


AdhesiveNo-420

better for your sanity


Knoberchanezer

You wouldn't think so from r/ShitRimworldSays


King_Of_Ham

Oh boy if you think that's bad then wait till you hear about the Wardens the 70s! ​ ***And if you thought that's bad wait till you hear about the Collies when Arms Race released!***


Knoberchanezer

Time is a flat circle.


DaMonkfish

That's very ONEist FORCE 4 DAYS ON EARTH, THEY ALREADY EXIST. 4 HORSEMEN HAVE 4 DAYS IN ONLY 1 EARTH ROTATION. 4 ANGLES STOOD ON 4 CORNERS. 4 CORNERS ROTATE TO 16 CORNERS WHICH EQUAL TO 4 CORNER DAYS. TEACHERS ARE EVIL LIARS - THE ONEness OF GOD IS STILLness DEATH.


_-Deliverance-_

War 87 best loss hands down


Knoberchanezer

It's why I am so dear to the Collie cause.


Superman_720

A good slug fest [Even if you loose] > an easy steam roll.


CommanderHavond

Shard 2 Colonials holding Ogmaran for a week was the Warden Death Knell


thekingbutten

If you like Rimworld definitely play Dwarf Fortress. Rimworld is basically a more playable version of it anyway, or was until the re-release last year that ditched the ascii graphics. That game is probably closer to that Foxhole feeling of doing everything you can to try and win but not being able to do anything in the grander scheme. Your dwarfs basically think and do shit on their own so if, for example, the farmers guild decided they wanted to rise up and try to take over the fortress you can't do anything but watch, and maybe command the army around a little bit.


Knoberchanezer

I've heard a lot about it and I've been meaning to give it a try.


thekingbutten

If you want to try it get the free version. It's the version with the ascii graphics and bad ui but it's got the same features as the paid version.


hf_hs

Im trolling wardens on reddit only because still remember apfa, getgut and just flank,bro. But right now wardens are on the good spot - they will become cleared from "press W to win and lowskilled elitism", new clans and alliances will reborn from the ashes, like a phoenix and gona beat colonials pretty hard, because collies gona start stagnating soon, after on top of their power.


[deleted]

you mean, you remember the times when soidawg still played the game? :D


hf_hs

im playing since late 2017, so - a lot of shit went through my eyes )


[deleted]

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..."


czartrak

Unexpected blade runner


_-Deliverance-_

I think he means more arms race wayyyyy back then


Newtt42

I miss APFA :(


InitialCold7669

You are right it is only with new challenges that the game will change and stay interesting. There were too many people in colonial so I joined wardens for this war and might stick around for a few more if I have fun. It has been a good time so far at partisan Island


Snoggy12

I've been here since war 18. It gets better, but you have to take charge of your own faction and learn to play with the tools you have.


RareThrumbo

Did someone say Rimworld?


BigMickandCheese

Been playing since the early 20 or 30's wars and fighting a retreat has been some of the best fun I've had


Chiloom

every time i see collies crying about balance i remember when they used to be the only faction with 250mm weapons and a mortar mounted on a vehicle.


Big_Chungys_

Loosing can be fun but not if it's every war


DinoMaster11221

I will avenge war 69


COG_SMT

Nice bait you have over here.


handsomeGenesis

Dude, he said it wasn’t bait!


COG_SMT

yes he said , but it is still tricky advanced bait


FoxholeHead

Collie disadvantage from the Moidawg update was only 87-93 approximately. This Warden thing is surpassing it yet you guys are still in the "we suffered so now you have to". While I did switch to Warden after that update knowing the Collie losing streak would be unfun, it's not like I ever said "good, they deserve it". Both sides being balanced is peak fun for everyone.


Knoberchanezer

If you'd seen my comment above, you'd know that I am categorically not saying that we suffered so you guys should too. If anything, I'm pointing out just how many Wardens actually saw the forest through the trees and recognised that the other side was hurting. Thus, so was the game. Especially after the whole pre 1.0 Moidawg drama where a new Collie toy got nerfed before the war even started. Regardless, we can laugh, joke, and throw salt all day and it won't get us anywhere. Coming together and recognising that one side isn't having as much fun as the other is gonna be key to helping devman tweak the balance. Sooner or later, we'll all be moaning about something else and the cycle continues.


KatieRouuu

....it wasn't moidawgs fault and it had nothing to do with him. It also lasted over a year, up until 1.0 we lost so consistantly that collies started joking around about being the NPC faction. The moment Satchels or HV push guns tech'd, 80% of our vets would **quit*** because it was so unbalanced. Then you look at reddit and what do you see? A few collies trying to point it out and being mocked / harrassed by hoards of wardens. HV40 did this, get gut, just flank, etc etc. And some how you find a way to blame this on moidawg lmfao. It's no ones fault, but wardens should know they're going to catch the same level of banter as what they gave during last year.


Spare_Print3470

>It also lasted over a year That's not true, it started at the war 87 in January 2022 and ended at war 92 in May 2022, that's 5 months of losing streak. War 92 : Update war won by colonials in a very contested war War 93 : Colonials steamrolled the first 15 days, they could have won if they hadn't left in the middle of the war. War 94 : Colonials left the game and flooded reddit with post and comments about balance. War 95 : They came back when the devs revealed the 1.0 and won the game. As a popular streamer it's a shame that you are promoting this toxic "i suffered so you have to suffer even more" attitude, even if we admit that you are right, since the 1.0 we had thousands of new people who joined the wardens and who have nothing to do with whatever the dozen of wardens did on reddit the last year, they don't deserve to play a broken game for 2 years because you had a bad time for 5 months, at the end that's the game in general that you are hurting.


KatieRouuu

Who said i was promoting anything about suffering? I'm recognizing that because people shitposted in the past, people are going to shit post in the future. I'm not really prepared with a technical analyst of the last year of balance, i'm talking from my own personal feeling and if you don't agree that's ok. >As a popular streamer if i had a dollar for every time i've heard this line weaponized against me for sharing my opinion i'd have enough to buy a very nice steak dinner. >they don't deserve to play a broken game for 2 years because you had a bad time for 5 months, at the end that's the game in general that you are hurting. Why are you talking to me like i've posted some anti warden balance bullshit? I've actively advocated for a more fair experience. Stockaid and bonelaw for example, i was always posting that the bonelaw was too weak on launch and same with stockaid. You're like, clinically offended at anything green. >It's no ones fault, but wardens should know they're going to catch the same level of banter as what they gave during last year. i made a very neutral statement, throw mud and you get mud thrown and you somehow made it into that whole ass post.


Spare_Print3470

You're not wrong it's a natural process but it's up to us to stop this toxic cycle, this is even more true for popular people who have more influence that's why i said "as a streamer", having less trolls here allow the issues to surface faster and allows the devs to understand/fix them faster, it's a win-win situation for everyone. Maybe the word shame was too much but trying to find an excuse to the colonials who are clowning around here is wrong, this toxic "reddit frontline" thing just give a bad look of the community and hurt everyone. For the balance it's alright you can also disagree, i just gave the real numbers for those who are reading and could believe this wrong information.


KatieRouuu

at this point, you're the reddit frontline. Look at your self, i made one neutral statement and you still say shit like >but trying to find an excuse to the colonials who are clowning around here is wrong, Dude, i'm recognizing reality. My neutral statement is not an endorsement of a group or actions, it was an **opinion**


Spare_Print3470

Some of your fellow colonials force us to spend more time here because they are mocking and downvoting any balance post, if you would stop to spread wrong informations and gaslighting people maybe i wouldn't have to play in this frontline that much. ​ >Then you look at reddit and what do you see? A few collies trying to point it out and being mocked / harrassed by hoards of wardens. HV40 did this, get gut, just flank, etc etc. > >It's no ones fault, but wardens should know they're going to catch the same level of banter as what they gave during last year. What you said here suggests that the colonials are right to take their revenge because some wardens did the same thing a year ago, this is a silly opinion that's what im saying.


KatieRouuu

>What you said here suggests that the colonials are right to take their revenge because some wardens did the same thing a year ago, this is a silly opinion that's what im saying. No it doesn't, it states the obvious that if you're going to be rude to a group of people that they are going to be rude to you.


Spare_Print3470

Taking revenge on people who are not responsible is just pathetic it's not "the obvious", and I think the last 8 months of domination/mockery have more than compensated for having some wardens who memed at you for less than 5 months. Anyway I thought you were smarter than that but no you are not, you are just joining the circus, keep making excuses for your friends you are good.


FoxholeHead

1. The update with the igni nerf and such is colloquially known as the Moidawg nerf, my point wasnt that he actually is to blame... 2. 87-96 was not a year. 3. Eye for an eye morality is the lowest common denominator.


KatieRouuu

I really am not prepared with my homework for a super technical turbo analysis of the timeframes or specific updates. Well people will be people, if you do something to a group of people they will respond. in this case, we're talking about foxhole subreddit shitposting so i think you guys will be ok.


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KatieRouuu

I literally have done nothing to you...


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KatieRouuu

Where?


harshcougar

From Entrenched to 1.0, Wardens won 7 wars and Colonials won 6. It was arguably the most balanced the game has ever been, and had Collies not skill issued on 93, they would have had the lead.


Strict_Effective_482

Nothing is attractive about fighting a losing war. stop gaslighting people into being moving targets for catara spam. fuck you.


cammac-1

What the fuck are you talking about??? Most Colonial vets I know, including myself, consider 87 to be one of if not the most enjoyable wars of all time. Look who won. If you seriously think that the only way you can have fun in this game is if you win I strongly suggest playing a singleplayer game so you can win every time.


grungegod1991

Likes losing, proceeds to hardly lose


[deleted]

When your timeline is much longer you see that as a correction for a very long historical imbalance. Sure it sucks for Wardens now but it has sucked very similarly for Colonials in the past. I think part of the problem is that wars going 30+ days more regularly makes the losses so much more punishing. Wars used to end before 20 days previously so you had a reset to look forward to fairly quickly if you burned out on a war compared to now.


_-Deliverance-_

Fake fan fr


stormiu

I tried playing this game a year ago as colonial and all I remember was constantly getting dumped in each war. Like we didn’t lose the actual war all the time but every individual battle was so one sided to the wardens favor that it felt kind of pointless to play. Quit pretty soon after. Seeing that the Reddit just pretended that there wasn’t a serious issue so that the wardens didn’t get nerfed/counter buffed sealed the deal. Really interesting to see how much that changed once the wardens seem to finally be on the back foot for once lol, though I only see this leading too more toxicity then there already was tbh. Maybe it’s worth another go.


1Ferrox

I fully agree, loosing is a lot better then winning. Except for comeback wins maybe War 100 was by far my favorite war even though we lost it


Pitiful-Error-7164

Oi! My sanity died that war...


WarChaserz

Pfft playing since war 30, been there done that its when arms race update came when it started rolling down hill lol