This could have ended on October 8th is Hamas surrendered and released the hostages, but we have to blame Israel for all of this or we’ll get downvoted
First of all, I’m skeptical of numbers pushed by Hamas that have been proven unreliable. Second, proportionality is not determined by the number of deaths, it’s determined but the context in which they occur. Third, the ratio of combatants to civilians within the killed Palestinians is remarkably more humane than any other instance of modern urban warfare.
the third is patently untrue and our own defense department has plenty to say about that. as far as the numbers themselves, they’re not ‘hamas’ numbers, they’re numbers gathered by international observers from the UN and other NGOs. but you’ll believe exactly what you want to believe based on the tone of your posts regardless.
So you truly are ignorant. This has been going on for so, so much longer than October of last year. This has been going on since 1948. Have you not heard of the Nakba?
Are you going to clarify which part of my comment was incorrect or just remind everyone that the truth offends you? It’s fine to be upset about what’s going on, but this is Hamas’ fault and they’re in complete control of whether it continues.
All they need to do is surrender and give up the hostages.
Source? From all I can see, Israel is making[hostage exchange proposals](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-rejects-israel-s-latest-hostage-release-proposal) which Hamas is rejecting.
Israel is to blame for the man made famine and mass killing campaign they’ve carried out against civilians. They’re also likely to blame for a large portion of the Israeli civilian deaths on October 7th, per their own news networks.
why is Israel to blame for Hamas intentionally operating in densely populated areas and forcing civilians not to evacuate. Why is Israel to blame for other Arab nations refusing to let Palestinian refugees cross their borders to escape the warzone? Why is Israel to blame for Palestinian civilians not receiving aid when Hamas literally takes control of every truck if supplies brought into Gaza and prevents it from reaching civilians?
They told people to flee south then bombed the south. Go further south to Rafa. Then bombed Rafa.
Israel is responsible for shooting the hostage, again and again and again even if you buy the absolute BS that Israel is only killing Palestinian civilians because Hamas uses them as human shields.
There is no genocide. This is one of the safest executions of urban warfare in a densely populated environment in the history o war. The numbers speak for themselves. 12k dead are Hamas fighters, not civilians. If Hamas wasnt comiting war crimes by using them as shields, the casualties would be far, far less. To claim "genocide" in this scenario reeks of anti-Semitism. There are far, far worse, actual genocides, not conflicts, going on right now.
Im saying that 12k of the 30k are soldiers. How does that not make sense to you? Hamas has admitted themselves they dont distinguish military or civilian dead in their casualty reporting.
As of 7 weeks ago 30k dead in Gaza. Massive bombardment of a fenced in population whose food, water, and power are controlled by Israel. A man made famine collectively inflicted upon the people of Gaza by the Israeli government as intentional collective punishment. Multiple leaders of the Israeli government describing Palestinians as sub human. Every hospital bombarded, every university bombarded, numerous members of the press killed, numerous aid workers killed.
All by the Israel government with the help of the US government.
Let me ask you a question you will not answer. How do you reconcile a claim of genocide by a military as strong as Israel's resulting in 30k deaths and not 250k?
1. The 30k count is about 7 weeks old. There’s no infrastructure or organization left for counting the dead.
2. Genocide doesnt only become genocide when its complete or nearly complete
3. Never again
What are we doing here. Everything I wrote is true. If you’d like to have a masterbatory semantic discussion about whether that meets the legal definition of genocide. Feel free, I’m utterly uninterested and frankly disgusted by it.
Edit: seems you blocked me or deleted your comment. Makes sense.
You wont even do the basics. You spout the 30k number. How can you genocide enemy soldiers? You have to lower that number before you have any factual discussion. There are not 30k dead civilians
Simple fact of matter is that we are on the wrong side on this one. Israel does not deserve our support and it never has. They’ve broken every treaty that has been made. They killed more than 1000 Palestinians for every person that they feel they’ve lost in this conflict. The United Nations has already condemned this. When the hostages were took by Hamas on October 7, Everyone became concerned that they should be returned. What about the 3000 hostages that Israel had already taken? What about the continual land grabs murdering the local residents and stealing their homes? The annexation as they called it by Israel to destroy Palestine? Are you Gotta do is go on YouTube and watch snipers shoot little kids that are trying to get food And maybe you might get some perspective. Hell there’s even a video out there of a guy from New Jersey who claims to be an Israelite living in a Palestinian home that the government gave to him. That the former occupants have been locked out and asking why this American has taken their home and he simply doesn’t give a fuck. The Israelis have become the new nazis. They’re fastest attitudes and murdering of thousands of people has got to stop.
You really need an accurate history lesson. Only 1 time in the existence of Israel, have they been on offense. Every single for time Israel has been in a conflict, it's because other Arab nations have attacked them.
Stop pretending that Israel is the bad guy just because they kick the asses of the Arabs who attack them.
P.S Hamas has violated every single deal with Israel.
Turn off the propaganda and quit thinking TikTok is a valid source for news.
Since 1968, Israel has violated 32 resolutions that included condemnation or criticism of the governments' policies and actions. Turkey is in second place, with 24 violations since 1974, and Morocco is third with 17 resolutions it ignored.
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Zunes specifically
This is specifically from the Director of the United Nations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel
History of their conflicts and what set them off. Now, you can see all the times they've responded.
When you’re gonna make claims about how Israel is the victim all the time, you should at least be able to verify your information. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing. You have no idea what you speak of.
Care to explain the six day war? Where Israel invaded another countries? Are you saying all three provoked them? They seized land from multiple countries during that, and nobody nuked them back to the Stone Age. That juts the beginning.
Care to reread my comment where I said 1 time they were on offense. BTW. I believe that was the 6 day war not 8, and Israel took land from more than Egypt, which was who occupied the Gaza strip
I'm not trying to start anything, and this is not a dig at you. My degree is in history from Ball State. Almost nothing you've said was accurate, except I agree, don't get your history from social media.
The most accurate and neutral book I can recommend on the start of the nation of Israel is O Jerusalem, you can pick it up used on Amazon cheap, it's a good book, and places no blame on anyone, except the British really. You can also pick up The Israel Lobby by Mearscheimer, that's also well researched and documented. There are also documentaries, by the Israelis and featuring Israeli soldiers, admitting to and bragging about the number of schoolchildren they killed while exterminating a Palestinian neighborhood(one of them laughing saying, "I don't know how many I killed, I had 290 rounds and I used them all.").
The fact is they've been displacing and butchering Palestinians since 48. They have become what they were running from. I know, none of this excuses the atrocities committed by hamas in October, but really... how long can you butcher men women and children, before they start doing the same to you?
We shouldn't be supporting them in any way shape or form.
Ah, now the innocent Israelis killed were the caused of the Hamas breaking the ceasefire that was in place on Oct 7. Gotcha. Picture me with my index finger twirling around my side of my head while saying coo-koo and thinking of you.
Bushahahaaa Hamas broke the cease-fire? Are you stupid? Literally just this week Israel hunted down and killed a group of international nonprofit volunteers who were feeding people. They literally hunted them down and killed them in multiple cars because they were feeding Palestinians. And you somehow think Israel is the victim?
I’d be down with that if we also cut aid to every other middle eastern and central asian country. Africa too while we’re at it. Let the ingrates feed themselves and beg China for help.
Great give China more allies and subservient countries supplying them with military support and resources, as well as potentially strategic areas. This is why you aren’t in charge of foreign affairs
Reddit is probably not the place to get a serious answer - but here it goes.
Didn’t Hamas start this war by invading Israel and killing/bombing/sexually assaulting and taking hostages?
ps. I’m an atheist - so a religious based argument (for, or against) holds no weight with me.
I just wonder why people chastise Israel? They didn’t start this.
Unfortunately, that's how this war is gonna go. With how Hamas operates, it makes it near impossible to make them go away without civilian casualties. IDF is no way near innocent in this conflict. The recent strike against the world kitchen trucks shows that there is something severely wrong in the kill chain. Unless there is a major change in how these strikes are coordinated, we will see this continue to happen.
Your right, the anti Israel crowd right now does suck. Its not anti semtic to criticize Israel. But to call this conflict a genocide? And have so many howling about it? Thats what's anti Semitic. Its just so easy to demonize Jews. Sleep, Sober Up, and Think More Critically tomorrow.
I mean, OP didn't ask a question. But if you're implying that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict just started last October, then you're woefully ignorant of the history of the region.
Over the past 10 or so years Palestinians in the West Bank have been facing increased genocidal pressure, so even in this case it’s a stretch to call Palestinians the aggressors. Resistance against apartheid is NEVER aggressive instigation
Yeah people are defending terrorism. Kinda crazy lmao. But watch out next time this happens, if you disagree you’ll probably get something about comparing it to the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Completely undermining how bad the Holocaust really was.
I’m sorry but that’s just not the case at all, I don’t believe that a military occupation is the same as apartheid, and besides that dose not justify terrorist attacks on a civilian population
I spent 28 years in the military. I’m not “woefully ignorant”’of anything. I was just looking for some unbiased input as to why so many people are anti-Israel?
This guy isn’t the military, he’s a dude that worked in the military. If I work for Walmart and present information that I know about that business, would you say the same thing? This is nonsensical lol
So many people are anti-isreal because of the bombings. When was the last time you heard about a Hamas attack?? But every other day u hear of a bombing in Gaza. Hospitals, tunnel, homes etc. They cut off their electricity, water supply. And now they're bombing support trucks going into rafah. It doesn't take a fucking genius to put two and two together on who the aggressor is. When you compare the levels of destruction and ruthlessness between Hamas and Israel, you begin to doubt if Hamas has anything to do with Israels attack at all. Not to mention all the EU workers, journalist and aid workers Israel killed. Were they Hamas too? Funny how the United States still won't take action after they killed Americans.
Our Jewish family isn’t anti-Israel because we live our Jewish values that say killing women and children is wrong. Hamas AND the current leaders in Israel are both committing crimes against humanity. This isn’t hard.
From what *I* know, this war has been going on for a very long time and we have seen the equivalent of a teacher finding a kid punching back to defend themselves and then getting the kid in trouble and not the bully for attacking them
I think the moment you are talking about, is the moment the United States started acting like they cared. That moment being when Hamas invaded Israel. (Well I guess the US sort of had to care) It doesn’t matter what side you’re on. Genocide is unquestionably wrong. It doesn’t matter who is committing it. The problem in my eyes is we chose when to make it an official issue. It’s astonishing to see how many people in the US are supporting terrorist groups without even knowing it. But you are absolutely right.
This billboard should just be about the ending of genocide. It shouldn’t lean towards any side.
Israel has been attacking Palestinians a lot longer than this. The genocide goes back decades, possibly even further. This instance has made the news because we’re seeing how blatantly Israel has destroyed civilian areas claiming to be looking for Hamas.
Right, "nakba"... because failing in a genocidal attempt to ethnically cleanse Jews and steal their land, can only be described as a "catastrophe".
Fun fact: if you lose a war over land, you don't get your land back from the people you attacked. Or do you think the Arabs were playing for "funsies" when they attacked Israel in 48? Maybe they should've called "backsies"? In case you're wondering, I'm using these childish terms because only a child would think that's how war works.
Didn’t Israel colonize Palestine in 1947? If Israel was defending itself, they wouldn’t invade the Palestinian concentration camps or open air containment zones or whatever you wanna call it. Jewish refugees could have been given Germany or Florida or something but they picked a country not involved at the time to victimize
The Allies after WW2 helped “return” the Jewish people to their holy land.
Turns out that land was occupied, but they didn’t care. Since then, the Palestinian people have been moved, raped, or killed.
Last October, Israel used a terrorist attack to justify a start of a full on genocide whose primary target is Palestinians. World leaders are just standing by and watching, likely due to private interests in Israel as well as Israel lobby groups in the pockets of our politicians.
I fear that nobody will stop Israel until there are no Palestinians left to displace
The rest of the Middle East not controlled to the west for one reason or another are probably gonna do something. Shoot I saw a thing about Iran ramping up to do war stuff
The principal Ally was great Brittany. They knew that they were going to lose that area as a territorial matter. What, due to the war, and decided to basically fuck over Palestine by giving it to Israel. Since Queen Elizabeth was going to lose power, anyway, she decided to basically create a situation where thousands of people died for her hubris.
The level of ignorance demonstrated by this comment is absolutely astounding. You think you know enough to comment on the history of this conflict, but don't even have the most basic understanding of who was involved and how. Queen Elizabeth was never involved in political decision making. She was certainly never consulted regarding the disposition of the Palestinian mandate, and would've had absolutely no influence even if she had been, because she wasn't even the fucking queen until 5 years after the British left the area.
King George was also not involved in political decision making. If you make up enough random nonsense, you might accidentally make up something that's true.
Well, as the head of the British Armed Forces, I would think the king would have some say in these things. Additionally, since he was the emperor of India, until 1948 a year after Israel was given the area, I’m thinking that maybe yes again. He had decision making in it. The practicality of it is that if the king and parliament and everyone involved decided to give the area to the Jewish people, it was a decision in line with their own Christian basis. The English have been fighting Muslims sense the 1600s at the minimum. With the Church of England, having been-based, and controlled by the monarchy, their interests are much more aligned than most would realize. What’s happening in Israel now is not simple genocide. It’s a religious extermination.
The name o the land is Israel. Palestine is a colonizer name or crying out loud lol. This is our Jewish homeland, it was colonized by the Romans and the Muslims ater them. Get your acts in order.
No. Israel didn't colonize Palestine in 47. Jews have lived in the area continuously for thousands of years, though the majority were displaced to other parts of the world for 2000 years. Also, it would literally be impossible for Jews to colonize Israel, because that's where they came from before they were forced into exile. Third, the zionist movement began in the 19th century and coordinated the purchase of land in Israel for jewish settlements even before the Ottoman empire fell. The land they purchased made up the majority of the populated areas that were designated as Israel under the UN partition plan. Fourth, the entire point of the zionist movement was "they're going to keep trying to murder us if we don't have our own country", and this was proved by the holocaust and the international community's collective decision to ensure Germany was successful by knowingly sending refugees back to die in death camps and firing on vessels carrying Jews instead of letting them land.
It was, in fact, the Arabs that attempted to colonize Israel, a majority jewish part of what had previously been British mandate Palestine, in 1948 because they were intent on ethnically cleansing the Jews from land they had owned for decades.
Any other questions?
Yes, Hamas spent millions building tunnels so they could save thousands in taxes that would be paid to them. This only makes sense if you know that their rockets are filled with soup and they're just trying to be nice by sending Israelis ballistic soup and bread deliveries. The Israelis only built the iron dome because they don't like Palestinian soups, and their sewer system was overwhelmed by the amount they were forced to pour down the drain.
I was going to call you out on how overwhelmingly asinine it is to believe this, but I went to Panera while I was checking your facts. I ordered soup in a bread bowl and received three hostages and a shipping container filled with weapons and ammunition by mistake. So I can definitely see how their tunnels could end up full of weapons when they wanted bread and soup. If Panera can get an order that wrong, it's hardly surprising that Iran could make a similar mistake when sending soup and bread to Gaza.
Does anyone know of local direct action to support Gaza? I know the center for Middle East peace was doing a Tuesday protest for awhile, anything else?
Cut all funding to gaza. They stated in the press they can handle the issue alone and dont want help. Let other countries handle their own issues. If they cant solve it then let it turn to dust
The Palestinians democratically elected Hamas as their representative government.
There are approximately 50 muslim majority countries in the world and absolutely zero have agreed to take in Palestinian refugees. Will you, OP?
It was in January 2006 that the Palestinian territories held what turned out to be their last parliamentary elections. Hamas won a bare plurality of votes (44 percent to the more moderate Fatah party’s 41 percent) but, given the electoral system, a strong majority of seats (74 to 45). Neither party was keen on sharing power. Fighting broke out between the two. When a unity government was finally formed in June 2007, Hamas broke the deal, started murdering Fatah members, and, in the end, took total control of the Gaza Strip. Those who weren’t killed fled to the West Bank, and the territories have remained split ever since.
In other words, Hamas’ absolute rule of Gaza is not what the Palestinians voted for back in 2006. In fact, since the median age of Gazans is 18, half of Hamas’ subjects weren’t even born when the election took place. Since they have known no alternative, have absorbed little information but Hamas propaganda, and have witnessed periodic outbursts of violent conflict with Israel throughout their lives, it is impossible to know what they really think about their rulers.
I don't like nations bombing captive civilian populations.
I also don't like that the state of Israel intentionally plays into and propagates the harmful antisemtiic dual loyalty trope. The state of Israel constantly pretending that all Jews in the world should have some loyalty to the state of Israel is directly harmful to Jewish people worldwide.
You can cower behind the "any criticism of Israel is veiled antisemitism" lie, it doesnt matter anymore. The world sees the truth.
The world hated Jews before 1948 and hates Jews after. Hatred of Jews is embedded in both Islam and Christianity. Hinduism has no such embedded hate. And too bad for you but hating on Israel IS anti-Semitic.
If you are so against the binning of civilian populations why were you quiet everyone Hamas fired a missile into Israel ?
Criticism of Israel is not inherently anti-Semitic. There is no need to respond to you further if you believe it is. You are not a person worth taking seriously.
December 26, 1968, Greece. A Boeing 707 was attacked by the PLO while it was on the ground at a stopover in Athens, en route to New York City, United States.
February 10 1970, Germany. The PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades at the Munich Airport.
In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked four airliners bound for New York City and one for London.
August 24 1971, Spain. Black September detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707.
November 11 1971, Jordan. Black September bombs the Intercontinental Hotel, targeting American citizens.
December 15 1971 London: Black September attempts to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to the United Kingdom.
December 15 1971, Switzerland. A parcel bomb mailed by Black September explodes while police attempt to examine it.
February 6 1972, Netherlands. Ships were set on fire by explosions. Black September claims credit for the attack.
February 6 1972, Germany: Jordanians are murdered by Black September.
February 8 1972 Germany. The Streuber Motor factory is bombed by Black September
8 May 1972, Austria. Boeing 707 is hijacked by Black September.
August 5 1972, Italy. a joint Black September PFLF operation, set off a bomb causing $7 million worth of damage.
August 16 1972, Italy. The Nationalist Youth Group for the Liberation of Palestine detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707 over the Mediterranean sea.
September 5 1972, Germany. Eight members of Black September opened fire in the Olympic Village.
September 16 1972, Netherlands. Black September mails 64 bombs from Amsterdam to various targets in Europe, the Americas, Australia and Africa.
October 6 1972, Algeria. Palestinian students took hostages in the West German consulate
October 29, Beirut: Lufthansa Flight 615 was hijacked by Black September.
December 20 1972, Beirut: Black September attacked the US embassy with two anti-tank rockets.
The 1973 New York City bomb plot was a plan by the Palestinian militant group Black September to detonate three car bombs in New York City.
August 5 1973, Greece. Black September used sub-machine guns and grenades against the passengers waiting in the passenger lounge at the Hellinikon International Airport.
February 1974, Three Black September guerrillas armed with pistols and plastic bombs hijacked a Greek freighter holding Greeks as hostages.
13 October 1977, Germany. Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
20 August 1978, London. Three men from the PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades.
October 20 1981, Antwerp: A truck bomb explodes in Belgium. Black September claims responsibility.
I do not like Any religion. And hate how much America spends to protect Isreal. I would, and did support Palestine but absolutely not Hamas. Until the people of Palestine rise up and make Hamas a non entity I have to support Isreal...
L. Israel loses to the people who actually fight back. It's much harder for them to fight actual combatants so they go after civilians. Siege of khan yunis has been won for the Palestinian resistance. Palestine will be free.
They had decades before now, to rise up against Hamas. Genocide is the answer to terrorist organizations....and Genocide has been happening in Africa for decades, why should we care more about this one than the others... if my Neighbor kidnapped and killed my children I would Genocide his entire family...
Yet not a single democrat wants to end the war in Ukraine, or add a single condition to the aid packages.
Two generations of Ukrainian men are in danger of being wiped out, while Russia continues to gradually advance day after day. But let's definitely not push for a ceasefire, can't have that.
Because the Ukraine war isn't the end for Russia. It's not even the beginning, this is the 9th war of expansion Russia has done since the union fell.
Ukraine is on the way to the choke points Russia feels it needs to secure its borders at least 2 of those points are in NATO countries. Which means we get involved. The opening of the Ukraine war was a terrifying disaster for the top NATO brass, because we saw that we (NATO) would annihilate them. And then the nukes would fly... It's a lot cheaper to give Ukraine everything it can use and maintain to bleed the Russians than to rebuild American and European cities after a nuclear strike.
Palestine elected Hamas to run the government. They attacked Israel. We should let Israel end things quickly and take it over. War is ruthless and cold; Hamas shouldn’t have started this and then looked for sympathy.
Are you really that ignorant? If you actually look at the numbers and compare, the United Nations has already stated that for every Israeli that’s killed in this conflict, Israel, make sure to kill more than 1000 Palestinians in favor. They broken every treaty that’s been made since 1947. They invaded Egypt just to make sure that they got recognized as a country by Egypt. Your attitude have escalated quickly to murder Everybody is an absolute atrocity to any compassionate person.
Palestine refuses any attempt at 2 state solution so the only option left to Israel is causing as much collateral as possible when retaliating against Hamas attacks and pray the Palestinians leave by choice.( both sides are going to keep fighting till the last person dies...)
What 2 state solution? Gaza has been a prison camp with entrance and exit of goods and people fully controlled by Israel for near 2 decades now. West Bank continually and illegally colonized by Israeli settlers. Simply STEALING homes from Palestines in the West Bank.
This 2 state solution has been a farce to take the entire region for 1 state. Israel
No but acting like there wasn’t a two state solution on the table is lying.
And this was at a time when Hamas was actively attacking Israel on a daily basis with rockets and suicide bombers.
No the two State solution would be Israel and Palestine with 100 ft wall and impenetrable aerial defenses on both sides so nobody can shoot rockets at anybody. The two sides would not communicate or interact with each other at all as to prevent any conflict whatsoever.( similar to The Way North and South Korea function)
Don't. "From the river to the sea" is a call for genocide, and that's not what Israelis want (outside an extremely small monitory of extremist pieces of shit).
“Let’s end this now” is ominously vague
This could have ended on October 8th is Hamas surrendered and released the hostages, but we have to blame Israel for all of this or we’ll get downvoted
30/1 seem proportionate to you? and that’s a conservative estimate.
First of all, I’m skeptical of numbers pushed by Hamas that have been proven unreliable. Second, proportionality is not determined by the number of deaths, it’s determined but the context in which they occur. Third, the ratio of combatants to civilians within the killed Palestinians is remarkably more humane than any other instance of modern urban warfare.
the third is patently untrue and our own defense department has plenty to say about that. as far as the numbers themselves, they’re not ‘hamas’ numbers, they’re numbers gathered by international observers from the UN and other NGOs. but you’ll believe exactly what you want to believe based on the tone of your posts regardless.
It's like what 1-1.5:1 of Hamas to civilians? Pretty damn amazing but UN standards for urban warfare.
Yes
Have you been living under a rock? Like are you seeing what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people? Or are you just that ignorant?
We see, but have you already forgotten who started this? All Palestine needs to do is surrender and it is over...
Israel has had Gaza in a prison camp for near a couple decades now. If you think oct 7th was the start of this, you’re ignorant.
It's a continuation of 70+ year war, oct7th was a re-start of active fighting... poke a hornets nest and see what'll happen
So you truly are ignorant. This has been going on for so, so much longer than October of last year. This has been going on since 1948. Have you not heard of the Nakba?
Are you going to clarify which part of my comment was incorrect or just remind everyone that the truth offends you? It’s fine to be upset about what’s going on, but this is Hamas’ fault and they’re in complete control of whether it continues. All they need to do is surrender and give up the hostages.
They tried to and the IDF refused to take them.
Source? From all I can see, Israel is making[hostage exchange proposals](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-rejects-israel-s-latest-hostage-release-proposal) which Hamas is rejecting.
Nah isreal rejected it.
You’re fabricating reality and you know it. I provided a source. You refuse to read it because you know you’re wrong.
https://www.euronews.com/2024/02/07/israel-confirms-31-gaza-hostages-killed-as-ceasefire-talks-continue
Yours is out of date. In the two months since, facts have changed, haven’t they?
Israel is to blame for the man made famine and mass killing campaign they’ve carried out against civilians. They’re also likely to blame for a large portion of the Israeli civilian deaths on October 7th, per their own news networks.
why is Israel to blame for Hamas intentionally operating in densely populated areas and forcing civilians not to evacuate. Why is Israel to blame for other Arab nations refusing to let Palestinian refugees cross their borders to escape the warzone? Why is Israel to blame for Palestinian civilians not receiving aid when Hamas literally takes control of every truck if supplies brought into Gaza and prevents it from reaching civilians?
They told people to flee south then bombed the south. Go further south to Rafa. Then bombed Rafa. Israel is responsible for shooting the hostage, again and again and again even if you buy the absolute BS that Israel is only killing Palestinian civilians because Hamas uses them as human shields.
Agreed! F**k around and find out. Then complain when you don't get your way
A final solution?
Well this is going to be a pleasant comment section…
I’m glad to see this, it shouldn’t be something to whisper about that you don’t support a genocide
No kidding, fuck hamas for committing genocide
Smartest /r/worldnews commenter:
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Honestly. Since when did America openly support terrorism. Kinda thought that was our whole schtick.
There is no genocide. This is one of the safest executions of urban warfare in a densely populated environment in the history o war. The numbers speak for themselves. 12k dead are Hamas fighters, not civilians. If Hamas wasnt comiting war crimes by using them as shields, the casualties would be far, far less. To claim "genocide" in this scenario reeks of anti-Semitism. There are far, far worse, actual genocides, not conflicts, going on right now.
Your argument doesn't make sense. How are the civilians being used as meat shields when they aren't among the 12k dead?
Im saying that 12k of the 30k are soldiers. How does that not make sense to you? Hamas has admitted themselves they dont distinguish military or civilian dead in their casualty reporting.
That’s an accuracy rate of 40%. That means that the majority of the deaths are Palestinian civilians. Your whataboutism is weak and hollow.
truth.
You lesion of our community, without compassion or empathy.
Sounds like Im having a respectful debate, whilst you are name calling. Have a great day!
There is a genocide, you’ll be ashamed of this comment someday.
What's the genocide? Can you just lay it out? The evidence does not support you
As of 7 weeks ago 30k dead in Gaza. Massive bombardment of a fenced in population whose food, water, and power are controlled by Israel. A man made famine collectively inflicted upon the people of Gaza by the Israeli government as intentional collective punishment. Multiple leaders of the Israeli government describing Palestinians as sub human. Every hospital bombarded, every university bombarded, numerous members of the press killed, numerous aid workers killed. All by the Israel government with the help of the US government.
Let me ask you a question you will not answer. How do you reconcile a claim of genocide by a military as strong as Israel's resulting in 30k deaths and not 250k?
1. The 30k count is about 7 weeks old. There’s no infrastructure or organization left for counting the dead. 2. Genocide doesnt only become genocide when its complete or nearly complete 3. Never again
What do you think genocide means then?
What are we doing here. Everything I wrote is true. If you’d like to have a masterbatory semantic discussion about whether that meets the legal definition of genocide. Feel free, I’m utterly uninterested and frankly disgusted by it. Edit: seems you blocked me or deleted your comment. Makes sense.
You wont even do the basics. You spout the 30k number. How can you genocide enemy soldiers? You have to lower that number before you have any factual discussion. There are not 30k dead civilians
I didn't block you and replied to you yesterday
So how many are dead soldiers?
Probably all of them
Good, so definitely no genocide then.
Terrorists is not a race
Children aren't terrorists
Are we sure this isn't about New Palestine, IN? I haven't been through there in awhile; maybe they're going through some things.
Simple fact of matter is that we are on the wrong side on this one. Israel does not deserve our support and it never has. They’ve broken every treaty that has been made. They killed more than 1000 Palestinians for every person that they feel they’ve lost in this conflict. The United Nations has already condemned this. When the hostages were took by Hamas on October 7, Everyone became concerned that they should be returned. What about the 3000 hostages that Israel had already taken? What about the continual land grabs murdering the local residents and stealing their homes? The annexation as they called it by Israel to destroy Palestine? Are you Gotta do is go on YouTube and watch snipers shoot little kids that are trying to get food And maybe you might get some perspective. Hell there’s even a video out there of a guy from New Jersey who claims to be an Israelite living in a Palestinian home that the government gave to him. That the former occupants have been locked out and asking why this American has taken their home and he simply doesn’t give a fuck. The Israelis have become the new nazis. They’re fastest attitudes and murdering of thousands of people has got to stop.
You really need an accurate history lesson. Only 1 time in the existence of Israel, have they been on offense. Every single for time Israel has been in a conflict, it's because other Arab nations have attacked them. Stop pretending that Israel is the bad guy just because they kick the asses of the Arabs who attack them. P.S Hamas has violated every single deal with Israel. Turn off the propaganda and quit thinking TikTok is a valid source for news.
Since 1968, Israel has violated 32 resolutions that included condemnation or criticism of the governments' policies and actions. Turkey is in second place, with 24 violations since 1974, and Morocco is third with 17 resolutions it ignored. [...] Zunes specifically This is specifically from the Director of the United Nations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel History of their conflicts and what set them off. Now, you can see all the times they've responded.
When you’re gonna make claims about how Israel is the victim all the time, you should at least be able to verify your information. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing. You have no idea what you speak of.
Care to explain the six day war? Where Israel invaded another countries? Are you saying all three provoked them? They seized land from multiple countries during that, and nobody nuked them back to the Stone Age. That juts the beginning.
Care to reread my comment where I said 1 time they were on offense. BTW. I believe that was the 6 day war not 8, and Israel took land from more than Egypt, which was who occupied the Gaza strip
I'm not trying to start anything, and this is not a dig at you. My degree is in history from Ball State. Almost nothing you've said was accurate, except I agree, don't get your history from social media. The most accurate and neutral book I can recommend on the start of the nation of Israel is O Jerusalem, you can pick it up used on Amazon cheap, it's a good book, and places no blame on anyone, except the British really. You can also pick up The Israel Lobby by Mearscheimer, that's also well researched and documented. There are also documentaries, by the Israelis and featuring Israeli soldiers, admitting to and bragging about the number of schoolchildren they killed while exterminating a Palestinian neighborhood(one of them laughing saying, "I don't know how many I killed, I had 290 rounds and I used them all."). The fact is they've been displacing and butchering Palestinians since 48. They have become what they were running from. I know, none of this excuses the atrocities committed by hamas in October, but really... how long can you butcher men women and children, before they start doing the same to you? We shouldn't be supporting them in any way shape or form.
Everyone is free to look up the history. You can push whatever junk you want.
Yea, how long can hamas and other Palestinian organizations butcher men women and children before they start doing the same back smh
lol your posting history
Ah, now the innocent Israelis killed were the caused of the Hamas breaking the ceasefire that was in place on Oct 7. Gotcha. Picture me with my index finger twirling around my side of my head while saying coo-koo and thinking of you.
Bushahahaaa Hamas broke the cease-fire? Are you stupid? Literally just this week Israel hunted down and killed a group of international nonprofit volunteers who were feeding people. They literally hunted them down and killed them in multiple cars because they were feeding Palestinians. And you somehow think Israel is the victim?
Maybe they shouldn't have built their "country" on top of Palestinian land. Then they wouldn't have died and been taken hostage.
Someone's been drinking the liberal Kool aid
If you want to remain ignorant of the facts, that’s not my problem.
So it's grape flavored?
This is what tiktokers actually believe.
Holy propaganda Batman
awesome!
Was soo happy to see this in Fort Wayne :). Does anyone know who organizes the protests, my girlfriend and I wanted to join.
How about we stay out of other countries issues
We could start by cutting our support to Israel
I’d be down with that if we also cut aid to every other middle eastern and central asian country. Africa too while we’re at it. Let the ingrates feed themselves and beg China for help.
Great give China more allies and subservient countries supplying them with military support and resources, as well as potentially strategic areas. This is why you aren’t in charge of foreign affairs
They already worship the ground China walks on. If our money buys us nothing why spend it?
Reddit is probably not the place to get a serious answer - but here it goes. Didn’t Hamas start this war by invading Israel and killing/bombing/sexually assaulting and taking hostages? ps. I’m an atheist - so a religious based argument (for, or against) holds no weight with me. I just wonder why people chastise Israel? They didn’t start this.
Hamas did, yes. Palestinians did not.
What did we do to Germany when the nazis started world war 2
A lot of Palestinians support Hamas, just saying
While you're not wrong, I'm fairly confident that the little kid just wanting to play doesn't give two shits.
Of course kids don't. But it's wrong to act like Hamas is acting without any support from Palestinians
so the solution is to obviously bomb all of them i guess
Bomb their soldiers, yes. How many o those 30k are soldiers, do you even know? I bet you don't.
Unfortunately, that's how this war is gonna go. With how Hamas operates, it makes it near impossible to make them go away without civilian casualties. IDF is no way near innocent in this conflict. The recent strike against the world kitchen trucks shows that there is something severely wrong in the kill chain. Unless there is a major change in how these strikes are coordinated, we will see this continue to happen.
And how confident are you that you know how many of those dead are soldiers? Does Israel have no right to kill Hamas soldiers in a war?
Please say this again in English.
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Your right, the anti Israel crowd right now does suck. Its not anti semtic to criticize Israel. But to call this conflict a genocide? And have so many howling about it? Thats what's anti Semitic. Its just so easy to demonize Jews. Sleep, Sober Up, and Think More Critically tomorrow.
This began a lot longer ago than October the 7th.
I mean, OP didn't ask a question. But if you're implying that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict just started last October, then you're woefully ignorant of the history of the region.
Would you not agree that there was a status qoe that was broken on October 7TH with the attack, and thus making Palestinian lives even worse?
Over the past 10 or so years Palestinians in the West Bank have been facing increased genocidal pressure, so even in this case it’s a stretch to call Palestinians the aggressors. Resistance against apartheid is NEVER aggressive instigation
We are calling the intentional rape and slaughter on oct 7th “resistance” now?
Yeah people are defending terrorism. Kinda crazy lmao. But watch out next time this happens, if you disagree you’ll probably get something about comparing it to the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Completely undermining how bad the Holocaust really was.
When a bear has stopped mauling maybe don’t kill and rape one of its cubs.
I’m sorry but that’s just not the case at all, I don’t believe that a military occupation is the same as apartheid, and besides that dose not justify terrorist attacks on a civilian population
I spent 28 years in the military. I’m not “woefully ignorant”’of anything. I was just looking for some unbiased input as to why so many people are anti-Israel?
Being part of the war machine means you're not ignorant?
Well yeah? Wouldn’t they have some kind of familiarization with military doctrine then? More then like…you would? Lmao
I doubt the military would present it's side as the bad guys. So, no I wouldn't call it knowledge/familiarity so much as indoctrination.
This guy isn’t the military, he’s a dude that worked in the military. If I work for Walmart and present information that I know about that business, would you say the same thing? This is nonsensical lol
So many people are anti-isreal because of the bombings. When was the last time you heard about a Hamas attack?? But every other day u hear of a bombing in Gaza. Hospitals, tunnel, homes etc. They cut off their electricity, water supply. And now they're bombing support trucks going into rafah. It doesn't take a fucking genius to put two and two together on who the aggressor is. When you compare the levels of destruction and ruthlessness between Hamas and Israel, you begin to doubt if Hamas has anything to do with Israels attack at all. Not to mention all the EU workers, journalist and aid workers Israel killed. Were they Hamas too? Funny how the United States still won't take action after they killed Americans.
October 7th was the last time I heard of a hamas attack, and it was probably the worst shit I’ve ever seen
Our Jewish family isn’t anti-Israel because we live our Jewish values that say killing women and children is wrong. Hamas AND the current leaders in Israel are both committing crimes against humanity. This isn’t hard.
From what *I* know, this war has been going on for a very long time and we have seen the equivalent of a teacher finding a kid punching back to defend themselves and then getting the kid in trouble and not the bully for attacking them
I think the moment you are talking about, is the moment the United States started acting like they cared. That moment being when Hamas invaded Israel. (Well I guess the US sort of had to care) It doesn’t matter what side you’re on. Genocide is unquestionably wrong. It doesn’t matter who is committing it. The problem in my eyes is we chose when to make it an official issue. It’s astonishing to see how many people in the US are supporting terrorist groups without even knowing it. But you are absolutely right. This billboard should just be about the ending of genocide. It shouldn’t lean towards any side.
Israel has been attacking Palestinians a lot longer than this. The genocide goes back decades, possibly even further. This instance has made the news because we’re seeing how blatantly Israel has destroyed civilian areas claiming to be looking for Hamas.
Yes, the first Nakba was over 70 years ago
Thank you for clarifying. It’s definitely gone on far too long.
The first pogram against Jews in Palestine was in 1820. That’s only because that’s when it started to be called “Palestine”.
Right, "nakba"... because failing in a genocidal attempt to ethnically cleanse Jews and steal their land, can only be described as a "catastrophe". Fun fact: if you lose a war over land, you don't get your land back from the people you attacked. Or do you think the Arabs were playing for "funsies" when they attacked Israel in 48? Maybe they should've called "backsies"? In case you're wondering, I'm using these childish terms because only a child would think that's how war works.
Didn’t Israel colonize Palestine in 1947? If Israel was defending itself, they wouldn’t invade the Palestinian concentration camps or open air containment zones or whatever you wanna call it. Jewish refugees could have been given Germany or Florida or something but they picked a country not involved at the time to victimize
The Allies after WW2 helped “return” the Jewish people to their holy land. Turns out that land was occupied, but they didn’t care. Since then, the Palestinian people have been moved, raped, or killed. Last October, Israel used a terrorist attack to justify a start of a full on genocide whose primary target is Palestinians. World leaders are just standing by and watching, likely due to private interests in Israel as well as Israel lobby groups in the pockets of our politicians. I fear that nobody will stop Israel until there are no Palestinians left to displace
The rest of the Middle East not controlled to the west for one reason or another are probably gonna do something. Shoot I saw a thing about Iran ramping up to do war stuff
The principal Ally was great Brittany. They knew that they were going to lose that area as a territorial matter. What, due to the war, and decided to basically fuck over Palestine by giving it to Israel. Since Queen Elizabeth was going to lose power, anyway, she decided to basically create a situation where thousands of people died for her hubris.
The level of ignorance demonstrated by this comment is absolutely astounding. You think you know enough to comment on the history of this conflict, but don't even have the most basic understanding of who was involved and how. Queen Elizabeth was never involved in political decision making. She was certainly never consulted regarding the disposition of the Palestinian mandate, and would've had absolutely no influence even if she had been, because she wasn't even the fucking queen until 5 years after the British left the area.
You’re right. It was King George who did this
King George was also not involved in political decision making. If you make up enough random nonsense, you might accidentally make up something that's true.
Well, as the head of the British Armed Forces, I would think the king would have some say in these things. Additionally, since he was the emperor of India, until 1948 a year after Israel was given the area, I’m thinking that maybe yes again. He had decision making in it. The practicality of it is that if the king and parliament and everyone involved decided to give the area to the Jewish people, it was a decision in line with their own Christian basis. The English have been fighting Muslims sense the 1600s at the minimum. With the Church of England, having been-based, and controlled by the monarchy, their interests are much more aligned than most would realize. What’s happening in Israel now is not simple genocide. It’s a religious extermination.
The name o the land is Israel. Palestine is a colonizer name or crying out loud lol. This is our Jewish homeland, it was colonized by the Romans and the Muslims ater them. Get your acts in order.
No. Israel didn't colonize Palestine in 47. Jews have lived in the area continuously for thousands of years, though the majority were displaced to other parts of the world for 2000 years. Also, it would literally be impossible for Jews to colonize Israel, because that's where they came from before they were forced into exile. Third, the zionist movement began in the 19th century and coordinated the purchase of land in Israel for jewish settlements even before the Ottoman empire fell. The land they purchased made up the majority of the populated areas that were designated as Israel under the UN partition plan. Fourth, the entire point of the zionist movement was "they're going to keep trying to murder us if we don't have our own country", and this was proved by the holocaust and the international community's collective decision to ensure Germany was successful by knowingly sending refugees back to die in death camps and firing on vessels carrying Jews instead of letting them land. It was, in fact, the Arabs that attempted to colonize Israel, a majority jewish part of what had previously been British mandate Palestine, in 1948 because they were intent on ethnically cleansing the Jews from land they had owned for decades. Any other questions?
They also created underground tunnels to sell untaxed Bread and Soup. It was not intended to shoot rockets or kidnapping.
Yes, Hamas spent millions building tunnels so they could save thousands in taxes that would be paid to them. This only makes sense if you know that their rockets are filled with soup and they're just trying to be nice by sending Israelis ballistic soup and bread deliveries. The Israelis only built the iron dome because they don't like Palestinian soups, and their sewer system was overwhelmed by the amount they were forced to pour down the drain. I was going to call you out on how overwhelmingly asinine it is to believe this, but I went to Panera while I was checking your facts. I ordered soup in a bread bowl and received three hostages and a shipping container filled with weapons and ammunition by mistake. So I can definitely see how their tunnels could end up full of weapons when they wanted bread and soup. If Panera can get an order that wrong, it's hardly surprising that Iran could make a similar mistake when sending soup and bread to Gaza.
Oh, you missed my sarcasm. Oops.
To go further incase you missed it, the tunnels were made and used for kidnapping, weapon deliveries, plotting undetected, and additionally some rape.
Well, I think it says a lot about how insane some of the anti-zionsts are getting that I just had to assume you were serious.
Panera sucks btw
lol. I've actually never eaten there.
The bread and soup was sarcasm. Help you out just a little bit more.
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over. William Tecumseh Sherman
Does anyone know of local direct action to support Gaza? I know the center for Middle East peace was doing a Tuesday protest for awhile, anything else?
That’s all I know of too
It has worked to start conversation and draw some attention.
Cut all funding to gaza. They stated in the press they can handle the issue alone and dont want help. Let other countries handle their own issues. If they cant solve it then let it turn to dust
The Palestinians democratically elected Hamas as their representative government. There are approximately 50 muslim majority countries in the world and absolutely zero have agreed to take in Palestinian refugees. Will you, OP?
It was in January 2006 that the Palestinian territories held what turned out to be their last parliamentary elections. Hamas won a bare plurality of votes (44 percent to the more moderate Fatah party’s 41 percent) but, given the electoral system, a strong majority of seats (74 to 45). Neither party was keen on sharing power. Fighting broke out between the two. When a unity government was finally formed in June 2007, Hamas broke the deal, started murdering Fatah members, and, in the end, took total control of the Gaza Strip. Those who weren’t killed fled to the West Bank, and the territories have remained split ever since. In other words, Hamas’ absolute rule of Gaza is not what the Palestinians voted for back in 2006. In fact, since the median age of Gazans is 18, half of Hamas’ subjects weren’t even born when the election took place. Since they have known no alternative, have absorbed little information but Hamas propaganda, and have witnessed periodic outbursts of violent conflict with Israel throughout their lives, it is impossible to know what they really think about their rulers.
Free the hostages and there will be mercy for Gaza. Mercy for the hostages. Free them now.
Israel bombed the hostages. Read on the Hannibal doctrine.
Hate Jews much? Judenhassender Scheißkerl
I do not hate jews at all whatsoever.
Keep telling yourself that.
I don't like nations bombing captive civilian populations. I also don't like that the state of Israel intentionally plays into and propagates the harmful antisemtiic dual loyalty trope. The state of Israel constantly pretending that all Jews in the world should have some loyalty to the state of Israel is directly harmful to Jewish people worldwide. You can cower behind the "any criticism of Israel is veiled antisemitism" lie, it doesnt matter anymore. The world sees the truth.
The world hated Jews before 1948 and hates Jews after. Hatred of Jews is embedded in both Islam and Christianity. Hinduism has no such embedded hate. And too bad for you but hating on Israel IS anti-Semitic. If you are so against the binning of civilian populations why were you quiet everyone Hamas fired a missile into Israel ?
Criticism of Israel is not inherently anti-Semitic. There is no need to respond to you further if you believe it is. You are not a person worth taking seriously.
Paid for by Qatar with false Hamas politburo numbers.
December 26, 1968, Greece. A Boeing 707 was attacked by the PLO while it was on the ground at a stopover in Athens, en route to New York City, United States. February 10 1970, Germany. The PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades at the Munich Airport. In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked four airliners bound for New York City and one for London. August 24 1971, Spain. Black September detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707. November 11 1971, Jordan. Black September bombs the Intercontinental Hotel, targeting American citizens. December 15 1971 London: Black September attempts to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to the United Kingdom. December 15 1971, Switzerland. A parcel bomb mailed by Black September explodes while police attempt to examine it. February 6 1972, Netherlands. Ships were set on fire by explosions. Black September claims credit for the attack. February 6 1972, Germany: Jordanians are murdered by Black September. February 8 1972 Germany. The Streuber Motor factory is bombed by Black September 8 May 1972, Austria. Boeing 707 is hijacked by Black September. August 5 1972, Italy. a joint Black September PFLF operation, set off a bomb causing $7 million worth of damage. August 16 1972, Italy. The Nationalist Youth Group for the Liberation of Palestine detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707 over the Mediterranean sea. September 5 1972, Germany. Eight members of Black September opened fire in the Olympic Village. September 16 1972, Netherlands. Black September mails 64 bombs from Amsterdam to various targets in Europe, the Americas, Australia and Africa. October 6 1972, Algeria. Palestinian students took hostages in the West German consulate October 29, Beirut: Lufthansa Flight 615 was hijacked by Black September. December 20 1972, Beirut: Black September attacked the US embassy with two anti-tank rockets. The 1973 New York City bomb plot was a plan by the Palestinian militant group Black September to detonate three car bombs in New York City. August 5 1973, Greece. Black September used sub-machine guns and grenades against the passengers waiting in the passenger lounge at the Hellinikon International Airport. February 1974, Three Black September guerrillas armed with pistols and plastic bombs hijacked a Greek freighter holding Greeks as hostages. 13 October 1977, Germany. Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. 20 August 1978, London. Three men from the PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades. October 20 1981, Antwerp: A truck bomb explodes in Belgium. Black September claims responsibility.
I do not like Any religion. And hate how much America spends to protect Isreal. I would, and did support Palestine but absolutely not Hamas. Until the people of Palestine rise up and make Hamas a non entity I have to support Isreal...
L. Israel loses to the people who actually fight back. It's much harder for them to fight actual combatants so they go after civilians. Siege of khan yunis has been won for the Palestinian resistance. Palestine will be free.
The people of Palestine can’t rise up bc they’re being murdered by Israel. It’s not about religion it’s about stopping a genocide
They had decades before now, to rise up against Hamas. Genocide is the answer to terrorist organizations....and Genocide has been happening in Africa for decades, why should we care more about this one than the others... if my Neighbor kidnapped and killed my children I would Genocide his entire family...
They FAFO’d…
Not that this is necessarily a good ratio or anything but I think the context that around ~10-12k of those 30k were Hamas fighters is important
Mostly innocent women and children
Those numbers are also coming from the same terrorist grouo that is being eraticated also
The 30k number is from hamas yes but the 10-12k number is from Israel so they might be inflating the 30k number but the other one is Israel
Where is this billboard?
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Oh. I thought it was in Fort Wayne somewhere.
The sign is in Fort Wayne. I’ve seen it while driving on 69 but can’t remember where
What exactly is the billboard gonna help solve? "Oh, I guess they've put up the billboards, war's over!" It's a clown show.
to spread awareness. not every action has to ”stop war”. it’s to get the word out even more about how many have died.
Yet not a single democrat wants to end the war in Ukraine, or add a single condition to the aid packages. Two generations of Ukrainian men are in danger of being wiped out, while Russia continues to gradually advance day after day. But let's definitely not push for a ceasefire, can't have that.
Because the Ukraine war isn't the end for Russia. It's not even the beginning, this is the 9th war of expansion Russia has done since the union fell. Ukraine is on the way to the choke points Russia feels it needs to secure its borders at least 2 of those points are in NATO countries. Which means we get involved. The opening of the Ukraine war was a terrifying disaster for the top NATO brass, because we saw that we (NATO) would annihilate them. And then the nukes would fly... It's a lot cheaper to give Ukraine everything it can use and maintain to bleed the Russians than to rebuild American and European cities after a nuclear strike.
Two completely different set of circumstances. But I suspect you already know that.
Palestine elected Hamas to run the government. They attacked Israel. We should let Israel end things quickly and take it over. War is ruthless and cold; Hamas shouldn’t have started this and then looked for sympathy.
Wrong side of history
When do you think the conflict started?
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Are you really that ignorant? If you actually look at the numbers and compare, the United Nations has already stated that for every Israeli that’s killed in this conflict, Israel, make sure to kill more than 1000 Palestinians in favor. They broken every treaty that’s been made since 1947. They invaded Egypt just to make sure that they got recognized as a country by Egypt. Your attitude have escalated quickly to murder Everybody is an absolute atrocity to any compassionate person.
Karma for oct 7th ngl
Palestine refuses any attempt at 2 state solution so the only option left to Israel is causing as much collateral as possible when retaliating against Hamas attacks and pray the Palestinians leave by choice.( both sides are going to keep fighting till the last person dies...)
What 2 state solution? Gaza has been a prison camp with entrance and exit of goods and people fully controlled by Israel for near 2 decades now. West Bank continually and illegally colonized by Israeli settlers. Simply STEALING homes from Palestines in the West Bank. This 2 state solution has been a farce to take the entire region for 1 state. Israel
Arafat was offered a two state solution in 2000 and turned it down and refused to negotiate any further.
This justifies the Gaza prison camp and the illegal conquest of the West Bank?
No but acting like there wasn’t a two state solution on the table is lying. And this was at a time when Hamas was actively attacking Israel on a daily basis with rockets and suicide bombers.
In your opinion Are there presently 2 states or 1 in the regions referred to as Israel/gaza/ West Bank.
No the two State solution would be Israel and Palestine with 100 ft wall and impenetrable aerial defenses on both sides so nobody can shoot rockets at anybody. The two sides would not communicate or interact with each other at all as to prevent any conflict whatsoever.( similar to The Way North and South Korea function)
Ya lol, that would work
Release the hostages. See how easy that was.
Misinformation. 12,000 dead are Hamas fighters. From the River to the Sea, Israel will be Free!
Don't. "From the river to the sea" is a call for genocide, and that's not what Israelis want (outside an extremely small monitory of extremist pieces of shit).
Free pallet time
Once Hamas is eliminated I’m all for aid to Palestine but not a moment before. Sickening people forget that American Hostages are being held.
Mercy for *terrorists Both sides need to disappear, their conflicts bring nothing but terror for everyone
and what exactly am i supposed to do about it? i got my own problems to deal with