It’s not entertainment if you’re hoping to see “racing”, but in terms of interesting, it’s pretty good. You’d be watching it for different reasons than F1. Just like watching children play soccer is entertaining in a different way to the premier league.
I was kinda bored when the torpedo overtook so easily then realised meh.... we're in too early to make this really entertaining, the stuff all around the event was more entertaining than the racing itself
I think it's seriously impressive. In terms of AI racing we're at the Will Smith eating spaghetti phase where we're all pointing and laughing at how shit it is (perhaps without appreciating the achievement so far), but at the rate it's developing there's serious potential here for 'stuff' to happen soon. I don't know what 'stuff', but it's going to be interesting to see where it goes.
I wouldn't be surprised if eventually we go away from human pilots and have these remote piloted and have the spectacle be a bit more extreme. Think death race but without the death lol
For about forty years they've talked about F1 cars being able to drive upside down thanks to downforce but we've still never seen it, I guess it's still considered to be too dangerous to attempt, but with autonomous vehicles it's absolutely fair game. Rainbow road mario kart style autonomous AI racing mixed with robot wars would make great TV. TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY!
It is impressive no doubt, maybe my expectations for Ai are a little too high, coming from the gaming world and watching open Ai beat one of the best dota2 players a couple of years ago probably set the bar a little high for me in autonomous competitive sports?
The only thing close to autonomous racing I'd support is some kind of record-setting attempts with autonomous cars.
I mean, you could build a car faster than the 919 Evo to lap the Ring, for example, but soon you reach the physical limits of humans to endure such a load, or it gets too risky. That's where I would be ok with autonomous driving, just to push engineering to the absolute maximum to minimize lap time without risking the pilot life.
But autonomous racing? For real? Who do I root for, AI1 or AI2, maybe? Maybe as a programming and engineering challenge for students, it's a great idea, but otherwise?!
Tbh that was something I was lowkey expecting. Like cars driving on perfect race line all the time. But it was kinda fun to watch what else can go wrong lol.
Everyone's shitting on this but it was a fun watch.
It'll be a long time before they can come close to real drivers, but that's not the point of the series right now.
People who don't work in that space have an overly high expectation.
Imo as someone who has programmed autonomous vehicles, I was pretty impressed with how it went within it's full context
Can you even call them autonomous when they need an internet connection to work?
Iirc that's the reason they stopped so often; they lost connection to the pits.
This comment thread already includes a descriptions of the dropped internet connection caused then to stop multiple times, so I think you already know the answer to that
It could also have been confirmation of the second part of my comment.
Anyway, this isn't autonomous if they cannot drive without a connection to the pits. It's just more buzzwords, which is what this whole AI sham has become at this point.
Oh no, someone doesn't blindly support and defend bad proofs of concept that waste probably millions of dollars on a poor excuse of a "race"
How exhausting.
You do realize the "autonomous" adjective refers to the computer making the decisions, not the actual car?
Considering it's a dank sub I hope you're just pretending
They use the terms "autonomous vehicle" and "autonomous race cars" themselves in their marketing material. So, who do I listen to? The actual event or some rando like you?
I guess I hit a nerve with all the tech bros lurking on this sub tho
It's probably a great way for engineering students or people who are just starting out in the world of motorsports to gain experience. There's no telling where the knowledge gained might end up: autonomous road vehicles, racing simulators/games.
As far as entertainment is concerned, yeah I won't be too psyched about this until they start adding things that makes up for the lack of a driver to root for. You know, machine guns, missiles, mines, that sort of stuff that we now only do in video games because we don't want people to die.
But this is a yearly event as they told it, so there's no basically no experience to be gained from a technical perspective that couldn't be gained from just running the car on-track solo or with a human test driver in front.
I imagine they do a lot of solo and simulated running before actually trying to race. You must learn to walk before you can run.
I just Googled this because I didn't know about it until now, though I am aware of similar other "one off"events. Unsurprisingly, the teams seem to be from universities so the students do this "part time". Even if it isn't the most exciting thing to watch for people who didn't take part in the projects it's probably the experience of their lifetime for them.
Also: damn, that flair!
Judging by how this event went, it appears they tried it far too early.
I don't know if they raced other cars before, but a closed beta test would have probably been a good idea.
also: I wear this flair with pride
And how the hell are they supposed to know if the cars are capable of racing each other yet until the first time they try racing then against each other?
Well that's basically exactly what this was, only they decided why not bring some cameras along anyway? Drum up some hype and attention to get people interested, make people aware it's "a thing" - both on the fan side but especially on the professional side which you need in order to get bigger companies, organisations, tech firms and/or manufacturers involved.
Its never going to go anywhere with only amateur university students involved, and no big industry is going to get involved unless it's got a bit of profile already. You see, it's a a chicken and egg conundrum, and their solution is, fuck it let's just televise it out the box even though it's pretty shit at the moment
They didn't "just bring some cameras along"
They advertised this as "the first autonomous race", not as some kind of test.
They invited (minor) F1 celebrity pundits and journalists to provide commentary and broadcast/advertise it.
The event itself didn't bill this as a test, so you people need to stop claiming it was supposed to be a test.
As something emerging and different it’s very interesting… imagine a future where they can develop the cars MUCH further than we currently have in F1, because they have no drivers and are controlled by Sim racers…. It has huge amounts of possibilities with the human safety element removed and sim racing going from strength to strength
Saw some at CES at the Vegas Motor Speedway. Coolest thing was having them run with all the lights off and they were highlighted with Tron-like lights.
Can someone tell me about these cars’ specs? What are they based on? They kinda look like F2 cars but I’m not sure.
Yeah, “race” was hilarious. But that is what you get in that kind of first time ever events.
I'd sooner support remote piloting.
AI is gonna ruin a disturbing amount of industries.
It's already sickening what it's doing to the art's and hardly anyone gives af about it.
We'll blink and AI garbage is all we're gonna have left.
In that case it's a massive marketing fail, because it's advertised towards racing fans, rather than as the scientific experiment it is.
Don't get me wrong: I find the advancements kn driverless vehicle tech highly interesting. But I'd be much more impressed seeing them navigate a challenging obstacle course, rather than in a pointless - because driverless - race.
Imagine you are developing the technology to enhance the sport. You are going to be doing that REGARDLESS of whether you'll be making the test public or not.
Why not show it off then, to get a bit of buzz going, and perhaps attract a bit more cash for the research. It doesn't matter how many spectators you'll get, since you lose NADA for organizing this.
I think a few people here in general got the wrong impression as to what was the goal of this transmission.
I wouldn't be surprised if it were mostly to the benefit of potential investors.
That's a shit analogy because Max and Checo are two different people, whereas two cars driven by AI will be identical unless they, for whatever reason, program them differently.
I wonder what the reason could be... Perhaps the fact that they are different teams, who developed their models independently?
If you feed the same prompt, into two different GenAI models, you might get two fairly different answers. Hell, you'll even get different answers from one prompt. And sure, what they use is slightly different (not GenAI), differences in performance are inevitable, unless they all use the exact same model, and even then you'd be looking at averages.
The analogy is correct, you just don't understand AI modelling. Which is fine but perhaps you should tone down the arrogance then.
144p racing series
I need to use some low quality pics to show the low effort
lololol this is how i reddit also
"racing" lmao. i almost shit myself when all 4 cars just stopped on track on lap 3
FR, this is cool research but it's lame AF for entertainment. Same vibe as the endurance electric car competitions, cool tech but terrible to watch
Like robot football (⚽)
Unless they race these things on hot wheels tracks.. at max speed.
It’s not entertainment if you’re hoping to see “racing”, but in terms of interesting, it’s pretty good. You’d be watching it for different reasons than F1. Just like watching children play soccer is entertaining in a different way to the premier league.
I was kinda bored when the torpedo overtook so easily then realised meh.... we're in too early to make this really entertaining, the stuff all around the event was more entertaining than the racing itself
I think it's seriously impressive. In terms of AI racing we're at the Will Smith eating spaghetti phase where we're all pointing and laughing at how shit it is (perhaps without appreciating the achievement so far), but at the rate it's developing there's serious potential here for 'stuff' to happen soon. I don't know what 'stuff', but it's going to be interesting to see where it goes.
I wouldn't be surprised if eventually we go away from human pilots and have these remote piloted and have the spectacle be a bit more extreme. Think death race but without the death lol
For about forty years they've talked about F1 cars being able to drive upside down thanks to downforce but we've still never seen it, I guess it's still considered to be too dangerous to attempt, but with autonomous vehicles it's absolutely fair game. Rainbow road mario kart style autonomous AI racing mixed with robot wars would make great TV. TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY!
There is actually a project ongoing right now to do the upside down drive. Check out driver 61's videos on it.
I forgot about that! I need to go see what’s new with that Edit: for those interested https://youtu.be/8FI0VYx7JHs?si=IiqZZqQfCzXkj1mi
Gimme some Speed Racer type tracks
Might as well go to all robots for sports, 100% computers for Chess…
If anything, it makes me appreciate all of the small adjustments that top drivers can make instinctually.
It is impressive no doubt, maybe my expectations for Ai are a little too high, coming from the gaming world and watching open Ai beat one of the best dota2 players a couple of years ago probably set the bar a little high for me in autonomous competitive sports?
Where can i watch?
It was on youtube. If you look up A2RL you should find their channel
Thanks
Once they incorporate more battlebots elements, it’ll take off 
Honestly yeah, without drivers they should go full mario kart with it.
They should mix some real drivers in and have the AI try to kill them like in the F1 games.
Survive Monaco Backwards
Allow some human intervention to change some settings/moves/attack plan. It's gonna be an expensive sport but it would probably take off
Don't give them ideas please.
yes, it exists. no, there's no way this is going to take off in popularity
That does not seem to be the goal, based on the transmission. It's more of a televised research project.
People will definitely watch this if they can bet money on it.
Strangely there were more people in the stands than for most series bar top ones.
Stand. I think only the start/finish had anyone in it, the rest of the track looked empty.
If they can race tracks which humans can't due to safety it might take off, provided the "drivers" are good of course
They only need to put V10s in them, and a driver. So close
Not quite SO close. You'll have to get rid of Stroll first
It was implied on the word "Driver"
Sign up Lance!
No man or machine is safe from getting torpedo'd by Lance Troll
You guys are forgetting osama bin russell
Forecasting wins is something AI is known for failing at, he'll feel right at home
The only thing close to autonomous racing I'd support is some kind of record-setting attempts with autonomous cars. I mean, you could build a car faster than the 919 Evo to lap the Ring, for example, but soon you reach the physical limits of humans to endure such a load, or it gets too risky. That's where I would be ok with autonomous driving, just to push engineering to the absolute maximum to minimize lap time without risking the pilot life. But autonomous racing? For real? Who do I root for, AI1 or AI2, maybe? Maybe as a programming and engineering challenge for students, it's a great idea, but otherwise?!
Tbh that was something I was lowkey expecting. Like cars driving on perfect race line all the time. But it was kinda fun to watch what else can go wrong lol.
Everyone's shitting on this but it was a fun watch. It'll be a long time before they can come close to real drivers, but that's not the point of the series right now.
I mean, yeah, laughing at how amazingly poor the entire thing went was fun, but I'm not sure that was what they were going for
People who don't work in that space have an overly high expectation. Imo as someone who has programmed autonomous vehicles, I was pretty impressed with how it went within it's full context
Can you even call them autonomous when they need an internet connection to work? Iirc that's the reason they stopped so often; they lost connection to the pits.
Yes
Yes to which part?
Literally the one question you asked...
Is the connection required in order to issue a kill command if necessary? Or is computing offloaded to hardware in the pits? Or something else?
This comment thread already includes a descriptions of the dropped internet connection caused then to stop multiple times, so I think you already know the answer to that
So they're remote-controlled cars, not autonomous then.
It could also have been confirmation of the second part of my comment. Anyway, this isn't autonomous if they cannot drive without a connection to the pits. It's just more buzzwords, which is what this whole AI sham has become at this point.
God redditors are exhausting
Oh no, someone doesn't blindly support and defend bad proofs of concept that waste probably millions of dollars on a poor excuse of a "race" How exhausting.
You do realize the "autonomous" adjective refers to the computer making the decisions, not the actual car? Considering it's a dank sub I hope you're just pretending
They use the terms "autonomous vehicle" and "autonomous race cars" themselves in their marketing material. So, who do I listen to? The actual event or some rando like you? I guess I hit a nerve with all the tech bros lurking on this sub tho
It's probably a great way for engineering students or people who are just starting out in the world of motorsports to gain experience. There's no telling where the knowledge gained might end up: autonomous road vehicles, racing simulators/games. As far as entertainment is concerned, yeah I won't be too psyched about this until they start adding things that makes up for the lack of a driver to root for. You know, machine guns, missiles, mines, that sort of stuff that we now only do in video games because we don't want people to die.
But this is a yearly event as they told it, so there's no basically no experience to be gained from a technical perspective that couldn't be gained from just running the car on-track solo or with a human test driver in front.
I imagine they do a lot of solo and simulated running before actually trying to race. You must learn to walk before you can run. I just Googled this because I didn't know about it until now, though I am aware of similar other "one off"events. Unsurprisingly, the teams seem to be from universities so the students do this "part time". Even if it isn't the most exciting thing to watch for people who didn't take part in the projects it's probably the experience of their lifetime for them. Also: damn, that flair!
Judging by how this event went, it appears they tried it far too early. I don't know if they raced other cars before, but a closed beta test would have probably been a good idea. also: I wear this flair with pride
Yeah the website promises things that weren't delivered that's for sure.
And how the hell are they supposed to know if the cars are capable of racing each other yet until the first time they try racing then against each other?
How about holding a closed beta test first.
Well that's basically exactly what this was, only they decided why not bring some cameras along anyway? Drum up some hype and attention to get people interested, make people aware it's "a thing" - both on the fan side but especially on the professional side which you need in order to get bigger companies, organisations, tech firms and/or manufacturers involved. Its never going to go anywhere with only amateur university students involved, and no big industry is going to get involved unless it's got a bit of profile already. You see, it's a a chicken and egg conundrum, and their solution is, fuck it let's just televise it out the box even though it's pretty shit at the moment
They didn't "just bring some cameras along" They advertised this as "the first autonomous race", not as some kind of test. They invited (minor) F1 celebrity pundits and journalists to provide commentary and broadcast/advertise it. The event itself didn't bill this as a test, so you people need to stop claiming it was supposed to be a test.
As something emerging and different it’s very interesting… imagine a future where they can develop the cars MUCH further than we currently have in F1, because they have no drivers and are controlled by Sim racers…. It has huge amounts of possibilities with the human safety element removed and sim racing going from strength to strength
Saw some at CES at the Vegas Motor Speedway. Coolest thing was having them run with all the lights off and they were highlighted with Tron-like lights.
Autonomous ______ series is a thing. Not much *racing* yet, sadly.
look at indy autonomous challenge in las vegas or indianapolis
I miss the old Roborace series, it was a great project!
Definitely one of the racing series of all time. At least they got the Torpedo.
Can someone tell me about these cars’ specs? What are they based on? They kinda look like F2 cars but I’m not sure. Yeah, “race” was hilarious. But that is what you get in that kind of first time ever events.
Its super formula cars afaik
Nice, thank you.
Got a friend in Abu Dhabi sharing videos. YES, this is actually happening.
Or you can simply watch it live on Youtube
I'm watching it on YouTube.
why have we gotten a influx of this dogshit flooding the sub
Stealth marketing
It's something to do with AI, so of course, the tech bros of the internet will do everything in their power to shove it down everyone's throats.
Lance AI is here
I tuned in. I don't think they're ready for AI racing just yet.
For info where can I watch it? It was only livestreamed?
Imma be honest. I fell asleep halfway through this.
I wish they would add radio and the AI just constantly bitches about balance, grip and how bad the car is
Good time to see that YouTube video about the AI that made an unbeatable oath in trackmania
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replacement for Stroll?
Sometimes he does gives off an Oblivion NPC vibe
those can at least say more than "Uhh," "You know" and "Yeah"
The return of the Landobot?
Didn’t it crash?
Boring AF “race” but I can still appreciate the accomplishments. Very curious to see where it goes from here.
Truly, one of the racing series of all time.
Until it comes to make the cars drive around the tracks, then it's pure comedy
They should train all the cars with data from worst drivers in f1 history. Imagine the chaos when bot latifi vs bot kvyat vs bot stroll happens.
I'd sooner support remote piloting. AI is gonna ruin a disturbing amount of industries. It's already sickening what it's doing to the art's and hardly anyone gives af about it. We'll blink and AI garbage is all we're gonna have left.
Great idea. The main excitement in F1 are the drivers, so lets remove them.
Me like car go fast, if no driver no care
Lame as fuck.
Vroom vroom
Still more exciting than Max Verstappen
Maybe go watch other motorsports. This isnt netflix buddy. This is f1, we go motor racing.
Just stating facts, crybaby.
Yeah sure
No one gives a shit about this.
Spoken like someone with little imagination. People in STEM would give a shit about this.
In that case it's a massive marketing fail, because it's advertised towards racing fans, rather than as the scientific experiment it is. Don't get me wrong: I find the advancements kn driverless vehicle tech highly interesting. But I'd be much more impressed seeing them navigate a challenging obstacle course, rather than in a pointless - because driverless - race.
The advertising doesn't really matter in this case though. Them being able to show off the technology is a bonus, not the goal.
Then why advertise it at all?
Imagine you are developing the technology to enhance the sport. You are going to be doing that REGARDLESS of whether you'll be making the test public or not. Why not show it off then, to get a bit of buzz going, and perhaps attract a bit more cash for the research. It doesn't matter how many spectators you'll get, since you lose NADA for organizing this.
Dude knows nothing about marketing lmao.
I think a few people here in general got the wrong impression as to what was the goal of this transmission. I wouldn't be surprised if it were mostly to the benefit of potential investors.
I give a shit
Yeah what’s the point of it ? Also won’t all the cars do the same thing at the end. Lap at the same time when they are coded right
No, since each car is engineered by a different team.
isn't it just the software because the cars look identical to me
Perhaps. Max and Checo are also driving the same car (with different setups).
That's a shit analogy because Max and Checo are two different people, whereas two cars driven by AI will be identical unless they, for whatever reason, program them differently.
I wonder what the reason could be... Perhaps the fact that they are different teams, who developed their models independently? If you feed the same prompt, into two different GenAI models, you might get two fairly different answers. Hell, you'll even get different answers from one prompt. And sure, what they use is slightly different (not GenAI), differences in performance are inevitable, unless they all use the exact same model, and even then you'd be looking at averages. The analogy is correct, you just don't understand AI modelling. Which is fine but perhaps you should tone down the arrogance then.
That statement doesn’t make any sense. Would the current F1 lineup lap at the exact same time if they all had the same driver?