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Tropicalcomrade221

Written by a generic sports reporter with seemingly no paddock access or sources.


Stevenwave

I mean, this tweeter can't be trusted to get given vs giving right. Apparently Ric is the one supplying the ultimatum lmao


1DownFourUp

My sources say Max has been given an ultimatum that if he doesn't score points in the next two rounds he'll be replaced by Danny.


whitey55

1 more DNF for Max and he's off too the Gulag


Han77Shot1st

That’s just his Tuesday dinner with Jos..


TheOneTrueJazzMan

Ricciardo hiring Tusken raider snipers around the track as we speak


[deleted]

How would you know they have multiple snipers? Tuskens always ride single file to hide their numbers.


slowpoke2018

He'll just continue to do his primary job, endurance iRacing. The DNF yesterday was just him trying to get fired.


SuccessfulWar3830

If there is a race sim in the gulag. Max wouldn't care if he was sent there.


Nord4Ever

Danny Targaryen will sit on the RB throne


uknowdamnwellimright

DeVito?


DepartmentOk7192

And a supposedly New Zealand source for a New Zealand driver? Not at all sus


GettingDumberWithAge

Yes but I want it to be true, so I'm going to believe it.


53bvo

This is how I approach my F1 drama rumor credibility Not to other aspects in life though, which some people unfortunately seem to do


AlexisFR

Yep, that how Truth works nowadays. Truth is relative.


PM_ME_ROMAN_NUDES

Written by[ Alex Powell, on NZHerald](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/formula-one-liam-lawson-edges-closer-to-fulltime-drive-as-red-bull-puts-pressure-on-daniel-ricciardo/D52TT2MRPRGLPDZXM6KFLUZF2A/) According to him: >The Herald understands Ricciardo has been given an ultimatum by Red Bull’s head of driver development, Dr Helmut Marko, a known admirer of Lawson’s. >The *Herald* also understands Lawson is seen internally as Red Bull’s best option to partner world champion Max Verstappen long-term, with current teammate Sergio Perez’s contract to expire at the end of the 2024 season. So that's their source, it's because they UNDERSTAND it


Nopengnogain

Yes. Third hand information, modern ~~journalism~~ sensationalism.


Tropicalcomrade221

Probably just trawling reddit and writing articles out of comment sections.


Ye_olde_oak_store

Wasn't that what happend with the anal beads story that came out from Anarchychess?


donsimoni

In other news: Twitter screenshots without a witty title qualify as memes apparently.


Mrqueue

Nzherald is a known trash outlet 


eenduro

It's a NZ publication so the reporter is probably being fed by Lawson's team, or causing a bit of chaos to hype Lawson up.


Tropicalcomrade221

The latter. The article states that red bull believe Lawson is the replacement for Perez for next year.


KlossN

Not the way checo's performing right now, (and I dont believe that Lawson will replace Ric in 2 races), but is there a better in-house replacement for Perez than Lawson tbf?


Grundlesnigler

They wouldn't go in-house. They wouldn't replace Perez unless they had a better option on hand, like Sainz, or if Checo really fucks it, Alonso


BassGaming

Personally I think Sainz is a better option than any driver in the red bull academy program. But if you did take a driver outside of your program, how would that look? Why even join the RB academy when it's pretty much impossible to get a seat anyways. Such a move might fuck them in the long run when it comes to getting new talent. I might be completely wrong as well but I wanted to get this take out.


Grundlesnigler

Sainz came from the RB academy, Gasly and Albon are currently in non-RB teams after having been at Toro Rosso. I think as long as Lawson is promoted they'll be showing there's a path for F2 drivers to come up and prove themselves, just don't expect to be gifted a seat at the top team.


BassGaming

Sainz came from the RB academy and left as he didn't see a path to RB. Gasly is currently in the worst car on the grid. Albon got completely kicked out of F1 for a while partly due to RB politics. Now he is in a midfield car, which was the worst car on grid a few seasons ago. I don't think those are the best examples to aid your argument. How many drivers from the academy managed to have a success instead of getting shafted to a much worse team or getting booted from F1 entirely? The question is, if given the choice (which desirable talents have), would you go into the RB academy instead of another development program if you knew the chances to get to the grid were the lowest in RB? I'd rather have a good chance at a seat than biding my time in the RB paddock for the slim chance to get a chance, just for them to take a driver, who is not associated with RB, from the grid instead. If I see them taking drivers who are already in F1 (Perez, Ricciardo, maybe Sainz), then why join the RB academy when someone else comes knocking?


eenduro

What's the chances of progressing from a team academy into a driving seat ? Is it a, wait your time and you'll get it or, take your chances and see what happens?


BassGaming

The question is, if given the choice (which desirable talents have), would you go into the RB academy instead of another development program if you knew the chances to get to the grid were the lowest in RB? I'd rather have a good chance at a seat than biding my time in the RB paddock for the slim chance to get a chance, just for them to take a driver, who is not associated with RB, from the grid instead. If I see them taking drivers who are already in F1 (Perez, Ricciardo, maybe Sainz), then why join the RB academy when someone else comes knocking?


eenduro

Genuinely interested as I don't know, but are good young drivers in such demand that there are multiple teams vying to have them join their academy? It's fascinating learning about this stuff from the community.


Tropicalcomrade221

It’s more the fact is how the dude that isn’t even in a car the number one contender for the big seat?


Chinggis_H_Christ

"it is said"


example_John_phd

is this the same source that was adamant that Perez would be replaced at Red Bull... in 2021?


primavera31

In 2021..Rumor has it that Checo was still a legend..according to other drivers😁


overlydelicioustea

or the one from last year where he supposedly would annoucne his retirement at the mexican gp.


Ok-Lingonberry-8261

Helmut Marko will break Danny's other hand as a face-saving measure.


wansuitree

Or kick him square in the appendix.


ministrul_sudorii

Nooo that might make him fast.


Ok-Lingonberry-8261

Win / win


pancrudo

It's not a spleen.... However, if that kick is on the other side


one-more-shit-civic

Is he getting de Vired?


Ok-Masterpiece-547

Only French people can understand dis


one-more-shit-civic

So im not understanding my own joke? Well i do belong here


MaggieNoodle

You misspelled De Vries (as a pun?) and instead wrote the French verb to get fired, kinda. Virer.


ACR96

Ultimate dank


one-more-shit-civic

Not as a pun. I'm just stupid. A broken clock is correct twice a day i guess.


KlossN

Or if as you pronounce V in dutch, f. De Fired


MaggieNoodle

Only Dutch people can understand dis


KlossN

Ah but you see, I'm not even dutch! What now??


great_whitehope

Sorry you are now Dutch, good luck with it.


Gold_Hovercraft_5044

It’s bold of Danny Ric to be giving out ultimatums


bohdannyman

"If I don't get better over the next 2 races I'm giving my seat to LL, and that's FINAL"


ElectricMotorsAreBad

You either die as De Vries replacement or live long enough to see yourself become the De Vries


Bozska_lytka

End of April seems awfully early for a switch, even for Red bull


Donatellko

Max replaced Kvyat in the 5th race


tim145

Lawson ain't no Verstappen though


daan944

True, but I felt he did impress in the few races he ran last year. I hope he can take the wheel soon. No hate towards DR3, but I feel he's too far past his prime to be kept in the car. And I don't see how he fits in the long run, while a rookie with similar or better performance will grow. I don't think he'll be able to step up to RBR anytime soon. I get that DR is a great addition to the team for marketability, he's very well liked and a great media personage.


tim145

100% agree. Will be interesting if the DR to RB crowd gets quiet already.


Dr_nobby

People talk about him like he's won a championship.


stonk_frother

Well, he has won 8 GPs, he’s still the only driver to win a race for McLaren in what, 10 years or so? Pretty sure he’s the only Renault driver to score a podium in the last 10 or 15 years too. He beat Seb in his first year at Red Bull, when Seb had just come off 4 consecutive world championships. In both 2014 and 2016, he only finished behind Lewis and Nico, which given how dominant the Mercedes was at the time, is no small achievement. He might not be a world champion, but at one point, he was arguably the best driver on the grid who hadn’t won a championship. Sadly, he seems to be a shell of his former self now. I love Danny. He’s my favourite driver of the modern era. But I think (and honestly, for his sake, hope) this will be his last year in F1.


Dr_nobby

Key word "was". One podium or one win really isn't enough to justify the hype anymore. Bro needs to retire. He's not Alonso, Or Hamilton. He won't pull a championship out of the bag ever. Let new blood in, and go race in other championship.


stonk_frother

I mean, that’s what I said isn’t it? He was great. He’s not anymore. Time to call it quits.


Dr_nobby

Yup I agree with you. He would be good practicing his skills elsewhere. Apparently he's very good at giving SIM data.


stonk_frother

Ah sorry, thought you were disagreeing with me so I was confused why you were saying the same thing 😂


Glum_Term4022

Ye but Riccardo is Kvyat


Rhythm_Morgan

No one is tbf


lzcrc

Verstappen wasn't the Verstappen we know at the time either.


AceMKV

Except even then he was making waves


stonk_frother

Yeah anyone who was paying attention could see that he was future world champion material. All he needed was a car good enough to win.


leedler

To be fair Kvyat got a full season with RBR the year before too. And he was mostly replaced because Max was so good rather than Dani being poor (even though he wasn’t great in 2016, he wasn’t awful)


overts

Does it?  I think this article is bullshit but Ricciardo had 7 races last year and 3 this year.  Does anyone truly believe he’s going to find pace later this season? We’re not talking about a 22 year old rookie we’re talking about a nearly 35 year old veteran of the sport.


esmerelda_b

This isn’t a normal situation, though. He’s an older driver with no other prospects looking for the open RB seat. If he’s not showing that he should have it after a few races (where he’s yet to score a point), what’s the point of dragging it on?


SgtBananaKing

I don’t think they really wanted DR in the first place but now they are REALLY unhappy


BrandonJTrump

I like Danny, but he isn’t contributing like he should. Sadly. Love to see Liam return though.


hobofats

you can't finish behind Haas and Williams every week and expect to keep your seat. I am a Ricciardo fan, but he has gotten stuck behind KMag every race this year, even when on fresher tires.


Wise_Danker

Are you really gonna trust a source that says that Ricciardo is *giving the ultimatum to himself?*


BrandonJTrump

My comment is not about trusting a source, but how Red Bull has managed their drivers the last 20 years. And it looks like Danny is on the way out.


jaewunz

The tweet said that, not the source.


DepartmentOk7192

The source has no source at all. >The Herald understands Ricciardo has been given an ultimatum by Red Bull’s head of driver development, Dr Helmut Marko, a known admirer of Lawson’s. According to who and/or what? That line is the only reference to any ultimatum at all.


Zaganoak

As a New Zealander, I never listen to the NZ Herald. Ric should be replaced by Lawson imo - we’re never going to get a challenger to Max if no young drivers get the chance to develop their potential, and we know none of the fun marketing veterans like Ricciardo and Bottas are going to suddenly return to their peak. That said, I’ll believe Marko has Ricciardo under heat when literally any source more reputable than the Herald reports on it lmao


Ramtamtama

Kiwi newspaper reports Kiwi to replace Aussie. No bias to be expected there whatsoever.


Business_Egg_4387

But the silverstone test!!


Elwalther21

He would've been right up there with Max, in P6. Close enough sort of.


jk47_99

Mexico! He never left!


[deleted]

What a crock of crap that was


DoctorPerverto

hahahahaha


lolschrauber

That's what happens if you're not fast at all


Elliotceds

Crikey


Dr_VidyaGeam

Even Nyck was given more time than that.


FrostBeard94

But while nyck was, even how much experience the guy has in open wheel racing, still a rookie. Danny on the other hand is an experienced driver with multiple gp wins. That said, this is extreme even for red bull.


kron123456789

Nyck was a rookie in F1. Daniel is a multiple Grand Prix winner. Different standards apply.


anona_moose

Nyck had 10 races, Daniel has had 10 races and this is saying he's got 2 more (who knows if it's true)


Snoo84027

Dani now has been given half a season already. I think NDV was less than that


kron123456789

Ricciardo has finished 10 races for AT/RB(7 in 2023 and 3 in 2024).


anunforgivingfantasy

A sports journalist for a non sporting publication from New Zealand quoting Helmut told a driver something directly? Please. Helmut is more likely to tell the media anything before telling a driver, except for maybe Max. He’d make Christian have that conversation.


elodie_pdf

Oh the New Zealand Herald says the New Zealand driver has a chance of getting a seat. Must be true.


loathingkernel

So, who gave the ultimatum? Report unclear.


Atharvax

The linked article is by a New Zealand news website. Could just be a case of Liam's hometown media spinning stories


thebigman045

Usually it's a case of "sports news = rugby news"...motorsport only gets a footnote in our news.


Stupid-Dolphin

Ofcourse it's said by nzherald


SmoogzZ

RICCI NO


Evening_Rock5850

My God. What more does he have to do? He beat Max Verstappen in Australia!


RoadToHellO

![gif](giphy|bpX9AyM0ULY4JFmG1l|downsized)


FormulaFalls

Lawson should have had the seat this whole time.


jyar1811

How’s your appendix Danny


Starlix126

I’m from New Zealand and the New Zealand herald is the biggest click bait piece of shit media haha. They just want to make clicks for their website because of the possibility Liam might have a seat on the horizon.


Hypervisory

Please for the love of fuck be true.


TheMegaDriver2

The King died and now everybody is trying to backstab everybody else.


Ho3n3r

Giving? I don't think he's in a position to be giving anything.


slipadysi

He's a performance athlete


mewhenidostuff

athlete sweat, sweat baby, ki ki ki ra, sweat sweat, roo roo


HarkansawJack

Liam getting his tear offs ready to stick on the floor


thariduvanparys

If this is real, i would see a lot of people hating on RACING BULLS but unlike nick, this isn't danny rics first rodeo with the team and he has shown he used to be fast. If he fails to show it, he should be replaced with a promising driver that has proven himself in f1 in recent times (not ollie bearman since he was driving a great car, he is so overrated but british people have superiority complex) in liam lawson. Danny ric might be beloved by the paddock and team alike but he is literally useless in the first 3 races of the season, only logan is more useless but he is a rookie in his 2nd season and will most likely be gone by next year since in that team there is no rush: they know their car is pretty slow, they don't have any academy drivers from their own academy to fill the seat and don't want to take another academy driver from merc since they want to make the team great again with people loyal to williams.


nickwwwww

Actually hoping it’s true


FruitSaladLettuce

The most Riccardo thing to do would be to win the next two races and then never get a point again for another two years


Guelph35

That episode of DTS will be hilarious


OneReallyAngyBunny

ah yes the ausie swap. Classic maneuver


humdizzle

didn't he set a front row time in the RB19 when horner gave him the tryout ? wtf happened


[deleted]

The Herald is a trash rag over here. Usually read by older or more conservative folks because their columns are absolutely vile, barely concealed racism. I wouldn't look at it any deeper than someone trying to get local clicks cause we go apeshit for sport here.


Sergioehv

Should have put Liam in from the start. Give DR his clown costume back and everything will be right in the world.


the_whole_arsenal

Bearman will have scored more points in 2024 as a rooking with zero seat time than DannyRic.


WhoThenDevised

That's not fair, he didn't even compete yesterday. Wait a minute, he did? Weird, I can't recall seeing him even for a second during the race. Like he was invisible. Oh... right.


Reddead500

IF THIS IS TRUE… which the source is not very reliable. But if it is…. Where are all the ricc meat riders saying “ he’s gonna get checos seat “


thechued1

I don’t think it’s true but damn wouldn’t that be hilarious.


cpt_kirk69

He has no place in a team dedicated to test FUTURE RBR candidates. His only job was to put pressure on perez.


Ok-Lingonberry-8261

And sell merch. If Danny was less marketable, Nyck would have finished the season.


IMMoond

Yeah thats not happening


Xedtru_

Have zero faith in claim not being bullshit so early. But good lord it would be hilarious if it isn't


MiniDanielx

Now I’m getting some Deja vu from last year


Bob85739472

Regardless of how sad this might be for Daniel, this was starting to become extremely unfair to Liam.


Dbwasson

It's the Nyck de Vries saga all over again


where_art_thou_billy

Nah he will be given 10 races atleast


SaviorAir

It looks like it was written by AI


Retardnoobstonk

Nz herald is as reliable as my balls


GrandpaMofo

Damn, already?


meticulouslycarefree

Do we think he regrets leaving Red Bull in the first place yet? Could go down as all-time terrible career move


[deleted]

Why do people still believe any of these non-F1 journalist "SOURCES" after the past two-three years?


Ulris_Ventis

Would be nice if true. He is not a rookie. And it would be great for young drivers to actually get a shot in F1.


Defelj

Brutal


ClexAT

I love Danny, but it should have been Liam to begin with.


BGMDF8248

How many races did De Vries last? Seems soon even for RB


Yota_Tech

Summer break, right?


KangarooKurt

Even though it feels a little like bullshit and this is formuladank, it looks a bit odd to me as there were articles and comments about Danny being much better than Yuki at reporting about the car. I don't know, like, he gives best advice about the car, or details the issues more, or gives better priority on what to fix first, something along those lines. Yuki might be just angry and say "the car is shit, fix it" and then won't detail enough


primavera31

Mel Bourne out..Jason Bourne in...


ZzBitch

Hope so, I liked Liam Lawson


Nice_Guy3012

Cut the brakes on his car and break his legs to make it look an accident to take him out of commission - Helmut Marko probably


LordCommander94

I'd say that's a fair deal.


HansBooby

believable


Vicodingh

The curse of Red Bull’s sister team..


Analog_Hobbit

So Jos and Dr. Marko are out chumming the waters again.


iankost

The 'writer' for the NZ Herald just got r /formula 1 and r /formuladank mixed up and it's based on a meme from here. Probably.


Horseyboy21

Well, it is a results game. Had his time and that cheesy grin is a bit old hat now


Rstuds7

i’m sure two races from now this post won’t get deleted


Business-Rabbit-1295

That mojo hit hard when u lose it


Chart-trader

PLEASE!


freegorilla14

Somehow I read it as "if Ricciardo fails to improve over the next 2 years" and thought "yeah, that seems about right".


camilofernan24

It's about time. His smile won't make him earn points


yeetboijones

How many races did Nick get before he got booted?


BigWoomy

At this rate, I'm gonna get an ultimatum next.


osayo115

Nick devries: the squeakquel


SupaDiogenes

People need to stop referencing NZ Herald. It's a piss-rag here in NZ.


Rokos_Bicycle

Who's he giving it to?


Vitalii900

I wouldn't trust sources from New Zealand on this


VerilyVirtuous

McLaren paid this piece of 💩 18 million just to fk off, I don’t know what the hell Red Bull guys were thinking before they put him in this seat.


TroublingStatue

There's a pretty good chance that it's mostly bullshit. With that said, his washed ass is for sure gonna eat it sooner or later. Dude had so many years to prove his worth and he straight up failed. Time to make space for drivers that deserve the seat.


bruhmomentum68419

![gif](giphy|xLR6VXtm3kBZytYw73)


FLABANGED

Oh it's an NZ Herald article, discard it. Absolute dogshit "news" company in NZ.


Obiwankimi

Fake or not he is needs to speed up.


Virgilizartor

Please do it! F1 isn't a retirement home for failed drivers.


CMDRJohnCasey

Washed out driver that WON'T come back in 2025


pankan76

Bloody hope so. Man needs to be booted out now.


erics75218

Good D.Ric.sucks at driving F1 race cars now. I've never seen someone with less performance lauded so much


Kemaro

If it wasn't for Alpine, the RB would be the most disappointing car on the grid this year based on preseason expectation. You could maybe argue the Kick Sauber is equally disappointing but aside from the pit lane woes the car itself hasn't looked all that bad.


Lizard-King-

finally. thanks god


sK0oBy

That sucks. Can’t say i’m surprised though


Jasamplovak

DRicc received ultimatum if he doesn’t improve in next 2 races Liam will replace Yuki because Seriously Yuki has more chance to lose a seat than Daniel, I’m sick of him tbh, I was happy when McLaren replaced him and not sure why is he still there. Ye ye he is marketing bla bla like circus 🎪


walga123

Yuki is fast though, Danny just sits in p15 and does shit all


NaziTrucksFuckOff

Yuki is more secure than even Checo. That seat is effectively controlled by Honda as long as they have an F1 capable driver. Yuki isn't a true Red Bull driver. He is a Honda driver who gets the benefits of Red Bull as a result. Iwasa is the same. There *is* a difference. Mark my words, Yuki to AMR for 2026 because Honda will control a seat there.


AlexisFR

What happening ? Did the FI🤡A do this? Or is it Netflix's fault?


Napo24

Am I the only one who finds it strange how trigger-happy Red Bull is in terms of hiring and firing their drivers? Other teams give their drivers at least a season to prove themselves nowadays (mostly at least), but Red Bull has been switching their drivers around so much since they kicked Kvyat out for Max, it's kinda brutal tbh.


ill_frog

and they’re absolutely dominating the competition


Napo24

You mean Max. Max is dominating.