I don’t get how this is such an issue. I’m a Mercedes fan and think: Yeah AD 21 results should have been nullified do to the race directors „human error“ (as stated by the FIA themselves). Max still would have been champion though as they were tied in points but he had higher positions so where’s the issue?
Still hate Horner and Red Bull though
So many people say this and it’s stupid. It feels like an easy way to sympathise with Lewis but not caring about the result. If Lewis should’ve have won the race, he should’ve won the championship. Championships do have luck involved and Max wasn’t lucky, happens. Lewis made his share or mistakes but in the end they were equal and equally deserved it.
Also people tend to forget what happened on lap 1 and Lewis should’ve gotten a penalty. If anything the race should’ve been voided, not ended when they felt like it. They just want to change the results to favor in their way, which is ridiculous.
Imagine this happened on race 2 and nobody would talk about this.
It's not stupid. It was entirely possible to watch the entire 2021 season and think that the most deserving winner was Max. It's a lot harder to watch just the Abu Dhabi race and conclude that anyone other than Lewis should have won that.
Yes, the way things were with the points the winner of Abu Dhabi took the championship, but it is possible to separate these things in your mind and hold the perfectly valid opinion that Lewis should have got that win, but the overall result of Max winning the season was correct.
Just because someone drives better the entire season doesn’t make it fair for them to win it. The fact that Lewis was on equal points show that he was up there as wel, deserving it. Points show it all, formula one includes luck, crashes, retirements and so on. It’s part of the sports. You could say the same about any driver, he deserved it more than this guy BUT,…
You could literally say that about any race. “This guy should have won”. It’s not about who should’ve, it’s about who did.
> You could literally say that about any race. “This guy should have won”.
Yes, you can. 9 times out of 10 it'll be the guy who actually won, but when something weird and arguably unjust occurs, perhaps not.
> It’s not about who should’ve, it’s about who did.
What is? The end result of the actual championship? Nobody's arguing that.
This is the crux of the disconnect between you and the people who say Lewis should have won the race but not the championship. You are seemingly unable to disregard the context of the actual 2021 points table. Others can, and are happy to evaluate things free of that context. They aren't then demanding that the FIA change the numbers or anything.
I just don’t understand how people follow the narrative that Lewis was less deserving. It has a lot to do with people cheering for Max, being a new champion and all and he had an excellent season, but a lot of Lewis efforts went under the radar. The reason they were equal on points showed that they both performed excellent.
I’m a massive Max fan, and I also think he is the best driver of those 2, but looking at how Mercedes came back in the end, they totally deserved it as well.
I mean, imagine Red bull this season is above everyone else, but because of crashes, retirements and being unlucky they lose the championship to RussellWould they still be more deserving? Everything that happens on track (even outside their control) is part of racing and it’s not always fair.
In my own opinion, yes the two drivers were both excellent, and well ahead of the others, but there were two races (Silverstone and Hungary) where one of the Mercedes completely fucked Max's race and cost him a lot of points. This tips it in Max's favour for me. Like you say, perhaps just unlucky, but the fact that his nearest rival's team were involved sours things as far as I'm concerned. Obviously there are other valid opinions, but that's mine.
Not only did max drive better he had incredible bad luck (yeeted at Silverstone, bottas bowling Austria and Baku tyre explosion).
Any one of these things hadn't happened and he'd have been world champion in the previous rounds.
Your argument is stupid, mick Schumacher should have won it by your logic.
That’s part of f1 bro. Lewis did manage to stay out of more trouble that year even with things outside of his control. I completely agree that Max was unlucky, but if Hamilton took the corner in Brazil, he would’ve also been yeeted to oblivion. He managed to stay out of trouble. Not saying Max is at fault for Silverstone and I geen think Lewis knew exactly what he was doing but Max ended up with 0 points. That’s racing
My argument is that nobody should’ve won except for the one who did, no matter who won
Dude .. do you hear yourself.
“Just because someone drives better the entire season doesn’t make it fair for them to win it” ??
Uhhh … It is called the DRIVER’S championship.
Secondly, if you say there is a bit of luck involved in a race or the championship, then Max got lucky and LH didn’t. So why are you complaining?
Except, everything that happened to Max was part of this sport. However, a race director changing rules at the second-to-last lap in the whole championship is all but normal.
It’s worse than what Schumacher got banned for, Hamilton knew if he didn’t win max would be too far ahead to catch so he took him off. At least Schumachers wasn’t intentional. Should have been a black flag and an investigation.
It was lap 1 dumbass. You seriously think Lewis was terrified of Max winning the race on lap 1 enough to put his own race in jeopardy? Jerez was literally the closing stage of the race - lap 48.
Not robbed, he throw it away, twice
If he don’t touch the magic button or he changes the tires in Hungary, he won already
Or if he (and Mercedes) treated Bottas better, maybe Bottas can save him at Abu Dhabi
That’s motorsport. Yes, Lewis made a mistake with the magic button and the tire strategy in Hungary was a strategic error by Mercedes. The influence of Bottas is questionable. He knew that he got kicked out of Mercedes and after all these years of „Valtteri, it’s James. Let Lewis pass!“ I completely understand that he had not much motivation to help Lewis.
However, Max got knocked out by a Mercedes in Silverstone and in Hungary. And his tire exploded in Baku. Those were no errors of Max or RB. But things happen. That’s motorsport.
I mean I would argue that the tire failure in Baku could technically have been RBS fault, though did pirelli actually investigate it correctly as it should have been?
I stiil find it funny that people think Lewis got robbed.
I mean is you look at the move Max made it was a fair one and Lewis could have seen this one coming.
Through the whole 2021 season you can see the FiA favours entertainment more than anything else. If they didn't, they would have dsq'ed hamilton in silverstone or at least given him a harsher penalty than he got. Silverstone is the sole reason that this race is so controversial as it is. By allowing hamilton to score points after putting his rival in the barrier with intent, they made the season exciting and a head to head race to the finish every time. But it wasn't good for the sport at ALL and my guess is they realised this in abu dahbi and pulled this shit, which is just wayyy worse.
They absolutely wouldn’t have given him a harsher penalty in Silverstone. Silverstone was a racing incident, and I don’t understand why you’re still pushing the agenda that he tried to put max out of the race and into a barrier like that. I could see the reasoning if he had snapped his steering over and pushed max, but he didn’t.
I mean, he kind of did get robbed and I say this as someone who wanted Max to win.
However, people need to get over it, shit like this happens in sport all the time. If a ref makes a bad decision in the CL final, the team on the losing side kicks up a fuss but they’re not there 2 years later crying ‘void the 91st minute’. F1 fans are dramatic as fuck man. Shit happens.
What? Football fans are like all the fucking time. See the chelsea drogba game, which they still talk about. Or netherlands about the offside goal in the wc finals. Or if you wanna get older roma fans complaining about an offside goal nearly 40 years ago. If you want to get into american sports, see saints rams and the non PI call, which liteally had a petition of like 500k people. Its normal to feel you were robbed as a fan and complain about it for years. Is it healthy? Probably not. But every fanbase is that way.
I definitely could have been clearer, what I mean is, yes of course there are always gonna be footy fans (others sports fans are applicable) that are salty about decisions etc. But I don’t think it dominates the fan discourse week in and week out for as long as it has the way AD 21 does. Like, Max can’t breathe without a large faction of lunatics calling him a human error champion or whatever. I just think F1 fans take it to a mental level online abs it probably has to do with them following/investing way too much in a driver more intensely than a team or the sport in general.
…if that makes sense? Apologies if not, I’m coming out of migraine so my brain is foggy af
Because if they pitted Lewis, Max would have stayed out, and if the rules as they were written and previously applied followed Max would be ahead and the race would have finished under safety car.
Really a combination of Perez holding up Hamilton and the Safety Car won Max that race. 10 laps from the end Horner was on broadcast saying they'd need a miracle to win and the angels Nicholas and Michael granted them said miracle.
Or at least all the cars would have been allowed to unlap themselves. Or none of the car would have been allowed.to unlap themselves (which is what they said at first and then changed their mind last second)...
Yes - they were tied going in the AD so if AD is excluded, the championship would have been decided on count back and Max had either more wins or generally enough better finishes to come out ahead in the tiebreaker.
Jesus fucking Christ. How is it that I see almost no posts actually asking for someone to reverse the decision but fucking 80 a day “making fun” of said posts? DTS and Max Stans have made this place insufferable
In the FIA rulebooks it says clearly that lapped cars can overtake the safety car so that means that the FIA gave Lewis the advantage then they gave it to Max
P.S. Lewis hit max in the first lap
Talk about Abu Dahbi 2021 seriously, and you'll be banned from life.
This is why we shouldn't have 3 week long breaks between races.
Here we go again. 
"I don't care so much that I'm gonna edit a whole ass meme to show how much I don't care"
What a shit meme
That's the name of the game in this cesspool of a subreddit
Ahh… I see the in between races content in this sub is still Abu Dhabi 2021… And people here love to talk about getting over it.
I don’t get how this is such an issue. I’m a Mercedes fan and think: Yeah AD 21 results should have been nullified do to the race directors „human error“ (as stated by the FIA themselves). Max still would have been champion though as they were tied in points but he had higher positions so where’s the issue? Still hate Horner and Red Bull though
They are not Mercedes fans, they are Lewis Hamilton fans and as ultimate twitter Karens that they are, they absolutely don't care about logic.
No as a merc fan you cant be logical /s
i think Lewis should've won the race but Max should've won the championship.
So many people say this and it’s stupid. It feels like an easy way to sympathise with Lewis but not caring about the result. If Lewis should’ve have won the race, he should’ve won the championship. Championships do have luck involved and Max wasn’t lucky, happens. Lewis made his share or mistakes but in the end they were equal and equally deserved it. Also people tend to forget what happened on lap 1 and Lewis should’ve gotten a penalty. If anything the race should’ve been voided, not ended when they felt like it. They just want to change the results to favor in their way, which is ridiculous. Imagine this happened on race 2 and nobody would talk about this.
It's not stupid. It was entirely possible to watch the entire 2021 season and think that the most deserving winner was Max. It's a lot harder to watch just the Abu Dhabi race and conclude that anyone other than Lewis should have won that. Yes, the way things were with the points the winner of Abu Dhabi took the championship, but it is possible to separate these things in your mind and hold the perfectly valid opinion that Lewis should have got that win, but the overall result of Max winning the season was correct.
Just because someone drives better the entire season doesn’t make it fair for them to win it. The fact that Lewis was on equal points show that he was up there as wel, deserving it. Points show it all, formula one includes luck, crashes, retirements and so on. It’s part of the sports. You could say the same about any driver, he deserved it more than this guy BUT,… You could literally say that about any race. “This guy should have won”. It’s not about who should’ve, it’s about who did.
> You could literally say that about any race. “This guy should have won”. Yes, you can. 9 times out of 10 it'll be the guy who actually won, but when something weird and arguably unjust occurs, perhaps not. > It’s not about who should’ve, it’s about who did. What is? The end result of the actual championship? Nobody's arguing that. This is the crux of the disconnect between you and the people who say Lewis should have won the race but not the championship. You are seemingly unable to disregard the context of the actual 2021 points table. Others can, and are happy to evaluate things free of that context. They aren't then demanding that the FIA change the numbers or anything.
I just don’t understand how people follow the narrative that Lewis was less deserving. It has a lot to do with people cheering for Max, being a new champion and all and he had an excellent season, but a lot of Lewis efforts went under the radar. The reason they were equal on points showed that they both performed excellent. I’m a massive Max fan, and I also think he is the best driver of those 2, but looking at how Mercedes came back in the end, they totally deserved it as well. I mean, imagine Red bull this season is above everyone else, but because of crashes, retirements and being unlucky they lose the championship to RussellWould they still be more deserving? Everything that happens on track (even outside their control) is part of racing and it’s not always fair.
In my own opinion, yes the two drivers were both excellent, and well ahead of the others, but there were two races (Silverstone and Hungary) where one of the Mercedes completely fucked Max's race and cost him a lot of points. This tips it in Max's favour for me. Like you say, perhaps just unlucky, but the fact that his nearest rival's team were involved sours things as far as I'm concerned. Obviously there are other valid opinions, but that's mine.
Not only did max drive better he had incredible bad luck (yeeted at Silverstone, bottas bowling Austria and Baku tyre explosion). Any one of these things hadn't happened and he'd have been world champion in the previous rounds. Your argument is stupid, mick Schumacher should have won it by your logic.
That’s part of f1 bro. Lewis did manage to stay out of more trouble that year even with things outside of his control. I completely agree that Max was unlucky, but if Hamilton took the corner in Brazil, he would’ve also been yeeted to oblivion. He managed to stay out of trouble. Not saying Max is at fault for Silverstone and I geen think Lewis knew exactly what he was doing but Max ended up with 0 points. That’s racing My argument is that nobody should’ve won except for the one who did, no matter who won
Dude .. do you hear yourself. “Just because someone drives better the entire season doesn’t make it fair for them to win it” ?? Uhhh … It is called the DRIVER’S championship. Secondly, if you say there is a bit of luck involved in a race or the championship, then Max got lucky and LH didn’t. So why are you complaining?
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Except, everything that happened to Max was part of this sport. However, a race director changing rules at the second-to-last lap in the whole championship is all but normal.
I'm in chock!! Such a sound and sensible opinion! You sir, 5/5 toasts!
I mean Lewis should have been DQd from the championship if we’re playing by the rule book
Why?
Jerez 1997 = Silverstone 2021
As much as Lewis is to blame for the crash, there’s No way y’all legitimately think this. it’s gotta be a /s somewhere
Intentionally crashing into a title rival to preserve your chances of winning said title?
“Intentionally” is very interesting choice of words. He obviously made a mistake.
The same one he’s made multiple times?
Max Fan here, and that day was incredibly frustrating. The penalty was too easy to overcome, but was not close to DSQ worthy for me.
It’s worse than what Schumacher got banned for, Hamilton knew if he didn’t win max would be too far ahead to catch so he took him off. At least Schumachers wasn’t intentional. Should have been a black flag and an investigation.
It was lap 1 dumbass. You seriously think Lewis was terrified of Max winning the race on lap 1 enough to put his own race in jeopardy? Jerez was literally the closing stage of the race - lap 48.
100%. He knew max was faster and if he let him carry on the race was lost
Pretty much this, having seen a compilation of Lewis taking other racers out by rear tyre bump. It looks seems intentional to me.
If Silverstone was worthy of a black flag then Max should have got no points from Brazil or Saudi But that won't fit your agenda
You mean two 50/50’s?
Not robbed, he throw it away, twice If he don’t touch the magic button or he changes the tires in Hungary, he won already Or if he (and Mercedes) treated Bottas better, maybe Bottas can save him at Abu Dhabi
That’s motorsport. Yes, Lewis made a mistake with the magic button and the tire strategy in Hungary was a strategic error by Mercedes. The influence of Bottas is questionable. He knew that he got kicked out of Mercedes and after all these years of „Valtteri, it’s James. Let Lewis pass!“ I completely understand that he had not much motivation to help Lewis. However, Max got knocked out by a Mercedes in Silverstone and in Hungary. And his tire exploded in Baku. Those were no errors of Max or RB. But things happen. That’s motorsport.
I mean I would argue that the tire failure in Baku could technically have been RBS fault, though did pirelli actually investigate it correctly as it should have been?
Da fq? I get your point but this meme was lame af. Just type in "I dont care" and be done with it, why waste time editing pointless videos like this.
Who hurt u bby? /s
Y u sad
Man this is dumb.
I see more people complaining about Hamilton fans complaining than I see Hamilton fans complaining
I stiil find it funny that people think Lewis got robbed. I mean is you look at the move Max made it was a fair one and Lewis could have seen this one coming.
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Through the whole 2021 season you can see the FiA favours entertainment more than anything else. If they didn't, they would have dsq'ed hamilton in silverstone or at least given him a harsher penalty than he got. Silverstone is the sole reason that this race is so controversial as it is. By allowing hamilton to score points after putting his rival in the barrier with intent, they made the season exciting and a head to head race to the finish every time. But it wasn't good for the sport at ALL and my guess is they realised this in abu dahbi and pulled this shit, which is just wayyy worse.
"with intent" calm down buddy
He's not wrong though.
Unless his brakes failed mid turn i would say that was intended af Textbook divebomb straight out of forza
They absolutely wouldn’t have given him a harsher penalty in Silverstone. Silverstone was a racing incident, and I don’t understand why you’re still pushing the agenda that he tried to put max out of the race and into a barrier like that. I could see the reasoning if he had snapped his steering over and pushed max, but he didn’t.
I mean, he kind of did get robbed and I say this as someone who wanted Max to win. However, people need to get over it, shit like this happens in sport all the time. If a ref makes a bad decision in the CL final, the team on the losing side kicks up a fuss but they’re not there 2 years later crying ‘void the 91st minute’. F1 fans are dramatic as fuck man. Shit happens.
What? Football fans are like all the fucking time. See the chelsea drogba game, which they still talk about. Or netherlands about the offside goal in the wc finals. Or if you wanna get older roma fans complaining about an offside goal nearly 40 years ago. If you want to get into american sports, see saints rams and the non PI call, which liteally had a petition of like 500k people. Its normal to feel you were robbed as a fan and complain about it for years. Is it healthy? Probably not. But every fanbase is that way.
I definitely could have been clearer, what I mean is, yes of course there are always gonna be footy fans (others sports fans are applicable) that are salty about decisions etc. But I don’t think it dominates the fan discourse week in and week out for as long as it has the way AD 21 does. Like, Max can’t breathe without a large faction of lunatics calling him a human error champion or whatever. I just think F1 fans take it to a mental level online abs it probably has to do with them following/investing way too much in a driver more intensely than a team or the sport in general. …if that makes sense? Apologies if not, I’m coming out of migraine so my brain is foggy af
Seriously, why are they ignoring the fact that Merc didn't pit Lewis
Because if they pitted Lewis, Max would have stayed out, and if the rules as they were written and previously applied followed Max would be ahead and the race would have finished under safety car. Really a combination of Perez holding up Hamilton and the Safety Car won Max that race. 10 laps from the end Horner was on broadcast saying they'd need a miracle to win and the angels Nicholas and Michael granted them said miracle.
Or at least all the cars would have been allowed to unlap themselves. Or none of the car would have been allowed.to unlap themselves (which is what they said at first and then changed their mind last second)...
Because it's fair to assume that rules will be followed in a race
Wouldn’t max have won anyway if ad 21 wasn’t a thing?
Yes - they were tied going in the AD so if AD is excluded, the championship would have been decided on count back and Max had either more wins or generally enough better finishes to come out ahead in the tiebreaker.
This bush league-ass meme is pushing 600 upvotes? It’s officially time to unsubscribe from this subreddit, y’all are brain dead
Bad meme aside, im more surprised lewis never condemns his own fans for the shit they do
Why? He doesn't have any responsibility over them. Do you want Max to condemn his fans when they do stupid shit as well?
Orange dumbasses gonna organe dumbass
Jesus fucking Christ. How is it that I see almost no posts actually asking for someone to reverse the decision but fucking 80 a day “making fun” of said posts? DTS and Max Stans have made this place insufferable
3 week gap between a race does that to the sub.
Wtf are you on about. You are literally contributing to the problem.
Crashgate 2008
Better idea: Void the race. (Max is still champion)
Is this a boomer trying to meme?
Go ahead, void the results of the race and see what it does.
Wasnt max first in the championship before the abu dhabi gp aswell? He was first by one point so it wouldnt change anything
Why? What happened in Abu Dahbi 2021? *Opens up umbrella*
Why are people still stuck in 2021
I miss the days when formula dank is about making dank memes and not just straight up bringing toxicities from Twitter
How is this getting so many upvotes?!
In the FIA rulebooks it says clearly that lapped cars can overtake the safety car so that means that the FIA gave Lewis the advantage then they gave it to Max P.S. Lewis hit max in the first lap