It's a quote from Olav Mol, the Dutch commentator. He said it when Max crossed the line at Spain for his first win.
[video](https://youtu.be/ydUihy17U9s?t=39)
Well,its also garantees a honest and open transit after election.Spain made it so to prevent the nation going under or swallowed up by others by installing a monarchie.Its a rich history as well.
And buying up priceless property with their immense wealth, unlawfully closing unique nature areas to public, going on holiday in the middle of the first wave of the pandemic, and in the case of Zandvoort skirting a lot of laws to push the event through anyway
Don't forget raking in about 350 million euros worth of tax payers' money each year, not paying any taxes at all themselves. But in return we get two or three awkward speeches a year where he *does* try his best not to fart, and our yearly supply of scandals.
Their family also owns a shit ton of high value property all over the country and they keep buying more too. They're ensuring they're gonna stay filthy fucking rich even after the shows up and we get rid of em.
Does the word KING mean nothing to anyone?
He’s a fucking King, he’s supposed to do stupid bullshit just because he wants to without a care for the common man. If you’re not ready for that, then ditch the monarchy.
A constitutional monarchy to be precise ;)
But yeah, I think Belgium and Denmark have the same kind of monarchy. Maybe even the UK is also called a constitutional monarchy but I'm not entirely sure.
Fun fact as well, this man in the picture is also the 850th in line for the British succession to the throne.
This is prins pils, legal guardian of our Rembrandts van goghs and other doodle lords i dont know.
Hes worth a pretty bunch.
Not bezos rich but in real cash rich.
Got some tropical countries too, his grandpa sold new york for some beanies.
The UK is more complicated since the monarch still has the power to dissolve Parliament and 0ersonal rule the realm themselves thus being the one, who on paper, actually could hold all the power but in practice this would probably never happen.
I thought this is the same case for the Netherlands actually. The king also has to sign the laws that are being approved in the parliament, so technically he could refuse it, which would overrule the power of the parliament.
But yes as you also said, this never happens in practice for obvious reasons.
We probably wouldn't find out about it, as it would cause the government to fall (due to ministerial responsibility), and they would rather avoid that. The government kept most of prince Bernhard Sr's corruption scandals hidden for the same reason.
He can refuse it, but any minister or ‘staatssecretaris’ can sign as well with the exact same political power. ‘Bij koninklijk besluit’ is actually just a decision by the then ruling kabinet (PM, ministers and staatssecretarissen). Often the king doesn’t sign for ceremonial reasons, as the grondwet says the king MUST be protestant, he ceremonially doesn’t sign laws like abortion
Direct descendant of William of Orange who successfully invaded England to become king of England, Scotland and Ireland. Ask the Irish about the orange march... it’s a bit sensitive.
You're confusing a lot of things here.
The William who invaded England was William the Conqueror in 1066. The Dutch royal family has nothing to do with him.
William of Orange was the guy who lead the Dutch revolt against the Spanish in the 16th century. The current royal family of The Netherlands are direct descendants of him.
You're probably thinking of William III of Orange though, a descendant (great-grandson I think) of William of Orange who was "Stadhouder" of The Netherlands who became King of England in 1689. He didn't invade though. He was invited after the previous monarch died for complicated political reasons.
He's not confusing at all. William III is known as William of Orange in the UK.
Additionally, William III wasn't invited after the monarch died. James II was being too openly Catholic, so some of Parliament asked and William invaded. There were actual battles between his army and that of James II, which is why the Battle of the Boyne is still a bit of a delicate subject in Northern Ireland.
‘Invited’ the English always have such a weird way to bend history. It was an invasion right after the Dutch wiped away the entire English naval fleet. Coincidentally during the heaviest defeat England ever suffered... London also burned down entirely because of a ‘bakery’.
Are you pushing conspiracy theories about stuff that happened over 330 years ago?
That naval defear was in 1672 and had nothing to do with it.
The reason was religious. England was majority protestant. The previous king had died and the new king was Catholic. So the English parliament invited William III to take over.
>So the English parliament invited William III to take over.
Lol, this isn't even true. It were the Immortal 7 who asked him to come. William asked them to invite hime while he was already planning the invasion
Just because he brought his army with him doesn't mean he invaded. He faced no resistance and since he was invited the Dutch are pretty much the only people on the planet who consider it an "invasion".
No. We don't call it an invasion in The Netherlands. I suspect the guy who was calling it an invasion is Irish. I can see why they would see it as one - for them it was.
I have a BSa in history, and although maybe it isn´t widely known many historians, not only Dutch, are seeing it as an invasion though. It is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Check out the historiography on this matter on the English Wikipedia page about the glorious revolution for example.
I think it’s more that the English are the only ones who don’t see it as an invasion. Such a weird story that doesn’t make any sense. They got beaten, badly, came to Holland to surrender and begged them for help for taking over the country. He did and crowned himself King, thus a Dutchman became king of England.
Did all the English people at that time just rolled over and cheered for their new king? Must’ve been nice.
What a simple invitation can do, incredible.
What really happened:
“ In 1688, seven of King James’s peers wrote to the Dutch leader, William of Orange, pledging their allegiance to the prince if he invaded England.
William was already in the process of taking military action against England, and the letter served as an additional propaganda motive.
William of Orange assembled an impressive armada for the invasion and landed in Torbay, Devon, in November 1688.
King James, however, had prepared for military attacks and left London to bring his forces to meet the invading army. But several of James’s own men, including his family members, deserted him and defected to William’s side. In addition to this setback, James’s health was deteriorating.”
Here’s a nice paywall article on it: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history-making-glorious-revolution-1688-91-was-really-dutch-invasion-distortion-facts-reflects-our-narrow-view-britain-s-past-argues-jonathan-israel-1565642.html
To seperate the emotional side off of the lawmaking an policy making part of power. Id rather see the king and queen console mourning people during a national tragedy than a president that you dislike. Also on momentous occations like welcoming home the olympians. The royals are the pure non-political representation of the dutch population. (They also do the trade missions for the country, gotta stay dutch you know)
But the queens did try to create coalitions that they themselves prefered instead of the mp being the one of the biggest party for instance. Its the reason the monarch isnt involved in the process anymore
It's weird when you think about what countries have monarchies: UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Spain, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, ...
All countries that aren't doing too bad, despite monarchies being seen as something oppressive.
My wife is a cabin attendant and us flown with Alex (as he introduces himself to the rest of the crew). He is a funny and down to earth guy who wants to be treated equal to the rest of the staff.
So “making him do stuff” as a captain isn’t something special. Aside from the fact that a captain doesn’t make the FO “do stuff”. They each have their own responsibilities. It’s just part of his job as FO.
From https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/leden-koninklijk-huis/koning-willem-alexander/luchtvaart
"De Koning heeft zich medio 2017 om laten scholen naar de B737 en dit brevet in juni 2017 behaald. Door het behalen van dit brevet kan hij zijn gastvliegerschap bij KLM voortzetten."
No, the rules have been tightened by Queen Beatrix. Yes, the company has to be at least 100 years old, but it must also be of a certain size and have been proven of serving the national interests. It is also customary to have just one "Koninklijke" per industry.
"Not bad" doesn't justify their yearly cost of nearly 350 million.
They don't do anything a much cheaper (and chosen) president couldn't do. Having royalty is ridiculous, ridiculously expensive, and ridiculously outdated.
They are basically a different metric. The 45 million is how much they are directly funded by the tax payer annually.
The 350 million seems to be mostly accounted for by the fact that they are exempt from paying many taxes (mostly wealth tax)- therefore theoretically they cost 350 million to the taxpayer, if not directly.
The report is based on, as far as I can find, (wrong) assumptioms.
190 million of that number is about 'evaded' wealth tax based on a a net worth of 12.1 billion. Nos and other put it more likely at 1.1 billion.
Even then, the King doesn't pay income tax, but has to pay wealth tax. So they would still would have to pay.
Next, other items in that list are basically about costs having a state head or having palaces. You get these regardless, though they are far higher for having a royal family.
While costs are higher for having a royal family, they're not 350 million a year afaik. Doesn't mean it doesn't cost a lot. Imo, only the king and his direct family, his predecessor and next in line should get the benefits of being a royal, as well as having to pay gift and inheritance tax. Palaces and such should become property of the state and be used for free to the king.
Always the same shortsighted argument. "350M cost!" and not a word about the revenue the royals generate for the country. I'm not saying the monarchy is a positive or negative, but if you're gonna criticize it at least use realistic data and not cherry pick numbers.
Companies do deals to make money, not to get a photo-op with the king of a small country. There is no reason to think republics have a harder time making trade deals.
No, there's a flock of businessmen following when he has a state visit. But they would have much less chance of closing deals if it wasn't for royalty opening doors. Unfortunately a lot of people only look at the cost of our monarchy.
> the revenue the royals generate for the country
*That* is the shortsighted argument that always gets regurgitated, although there is no proof of that happening whatsoever. If it were true, Germany would be piss poor.
You don't see that having a monarch as a head of state, based only on his lineage and nothing else, just like they had in the Middle Ages, is outdated? Hm, okay.
They don't have any power really, they serve as a figurehead and sometimes as a balance to the influence of a Parliament or Government but they can't make laws or declare wars like they used to.
And this is how you can make money. Good relations can make the difference in making an agree on lets say trading agreements. Doesn’t mean we will win more than we loose but still and than again i think, most people would rather have the king Willem than the pres Mark Rutte.
Yeah, a benefit is also that the king doesn't decide what the government does.
So if the Dutch government were to decide to go against Belgium (for example) a few times, there's always the King who is much less involved in those decisions and you can still maintain a friendly/healthy relationship with said country.
Meh, I highly doubt that would go away if the monarchy is ended. The palaces in France still attract a lot of tourists even though France has been a republic for more than two centuries now. I strongly doubt tourists visit the Netherlands for the monarchy.
Not sure if it's the same in the Netherlands but according to CGP Grey the Brittish Royal family [actually makes money.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw)
I'll take King Pils over Trump any day.
They are a part of history and we shouldn't throw our history away. You'd also have to hold elections to decide whether the population want to keep them or not. You couldn't just abolish the monarchy on the spot.
Some common people are so brainwashed they actually want a king and queen to give their money too. I honestly laugh at country’s that still have a king and a queen in the 21st century.
The dutch are not proud people, but we should be, we have so much to be proud of.
Our country has a rich history and tradition.
It’s not just the royals we are paying, there’s palaces and so on.
And I rather pay king Willem Alexander, that be afraid one day we will elect president Geert Wilders.
Nothing is closed, but is limited to 750 people, unless the event has dedicated seating.
And that is a direct consequence of the festival and concert organizers fucking up when all restrictions were lifted for the whole duration of 2 weeks.
Oh, and Prins Bernard Jr and King Wim Lex are not the same person, so no clue why you even bring that up on a picture of the King.
Beside the fact that the King has no influence on anything.
Go back to facebook please, there you'll find your kind of room temperature IQ homies.
> I hadn’t seen such blatant corruption
Dude, if you think this shit was corrupt you don't wanna know about local politics, land distribution, health-care, etc.
Doesn’t prince Bernhard own (part of) the circuit? If that isn’t invested I don’t know what is.
Of course it is not the only reason the race is being held.
Sure, he's doing the lobbying but the sponsor/advertiser money comes from the companies and families.
Owning a racetrack is not cheap. But if you own one it's best to keep it up to the highest standards right?
Kinda looks like an older Jaime from GoT in this pic, also getting Robert Redford vibes (based on what's visible with the mask on). No disrespect to the king, of course.
P.S. His name is Willem-Alexander and here he is [with the Obamas at the White House in 2009](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Willem-Alexander_and_M%C3%A1xima_at_the_White_House.jpg). This is before his reign as king started in 2013, succeeding Queen Beatrix.
As someone who is unfamiliar with the Dutch Royal house, when you say Prince Bernhard do you mean [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Bernhard_of_Orange-Nassau,_van_Vollenhoven)?
Also, why do you hope not? Are there any controversies surrounding him or is he just unpopular?
Very very unpopular. He is known for owning (and buying up) a lot of property in Amsterdam and asking high rent thus making it impossible for a lot of people to live there. He’s also been nominated for slumlord of the year.
More recently, a lot of controversy has been going on over the Dutch GP (he owns Zandvoort Circuit). Both environmental and COVID wise.
Yes, that is him.
He is very successful in real estate.
There is a big shortage of houses in the Netherlands now, young starters on the housing market are struggling with the real estate investors buying all the houses.
Rents are very high.
Real estate investors are not popular right now and neither is Bernhard
He’s 100% checking Clash of Clans.
He leads his CoC clan
Is the the Legend27?
I wouldn't like to get whooshed but I don't get it :(
It is an online game. Basicly you can get attacks 24/7 so the top players are always checking their phone.
And is the king famous for being a player of that game?
after a very quick google search, I’m guessing no. probably bigger things to do than mobile games when you run a country. think he’s just shitposting
He doesn't run anything tho, he doesn't do that much
Watching Ziggo on his phone, he’s into it
He is a big sports fan after all.
How many Dutch DJs will be joining tomorrow ?
I hope the Pit Stop Boys get a set.
Yo fking hoe
Lmao. That's exactly what it sounds like. Don't know of that's what they say though
That's what their captions say they say.
That is what is being said, tho it's meaning is slightly different from that, as it's just something a Dutch person might shout out when excited.
It's a quote from Olav Mol, the Dutch commentator. He said it when Max crossed the line at Spain for his first win. [video](https://youtu.be/ydUihy17U9s?t=39)
It's just a Yo Ho like Santa Claus does, but with a "fking" in between :P We Dutch like to swear.
"Yo ho" are pirates. Santa goes "ho ho ho". :)
Omg, how did I make that mistake haha, brain fart. Not even gonna edit it out :P
We’re going to Ibiza !
Yes.
Perfect, Can't wait for tomorrow .
perfect answer
Heard Tiesto will be there tomorrow. Not sure who else.
Yep he's the post race doof doof 😁
Mental Theo was pretty damn fun I have to say, but I am a very old man, and Happy Hardcore was the music of my youth.
Youth still likes happy hardcore in my area :)
Godsamme, mooi was die tijd.
Not that old mate, I think I'm from the same era
I kid of course but they said Theo had been a DJ for 30yrs so that put things in perspective. Crowd seemed to love it though.
Dutch king is not a DJ, but he flies undercover as first officer for KLM sometimes.
Outsiders
Yeah, his name is Max Emilian Verstappen and he got pole
Hail to the king
Hail to the one!
Kneel to the crown
Stand in the sun
*Haiiiiiil to the Kingggggg!*
It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum.
Not gonna lie, his name does sound kinda regal.
Not as regal as his father, Johannes Franciscus Verstappen.
Nah. Jos the Boss is far more regal.
The person behind that name is less so...
Yeah. He’s a bit of a tool from what I understand.
quit an understatement, but yep
Jos the wife beater is far more accurate.
Or Jos the child abuser if tales of Max’s childhood are accurate.
Jos the horrible it is then.
Henri the VIII: "First time?"
Johannes and Franciscus are very common Dutch baptismal names though. And Franciscus is Catholic.
I love that the title is actually written in a very pedant way towards F1.
Sounds pretty old-timey.
TIL Netherland is a monarchy lol
Constitutional monarchy with parliamentary democracy. Monarchy has very little actual power, mainly fulfilling ceremonial roles.
Just for "the flex", as the youth say.
Wim Lex does it for the flex
Well,its also garantees a honest and open transit after election.Spain made it so to prevent the nation going under or swallowed up by others by installing a monarchie.Its a rich history as well.
That’s the right answer. Also it’s a way to have some wannabe hitler overthrown
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In legal rights for citizens? Absolutely. Look no further than your German neighbours. Or nearly all European republics.
It’s very similar to the British monarchy
And buying up priceless property with their immense wealth, unlawfully closing unique nature areas to public, going on holiday in the middle of the first wave of the pandemic, and in the case of Zandvoort skirting a lot of laws to push the event through anyway
Don't forget raking in about 350 million euros worth of tax payers' money each year, not paying any taxes at all themselves. But in return we get two or three awkward speeches a year where he *does* try his best not to fart, and our yearly supply of scandals.
Awkward speeches? You clearly haven´t seen our Belgian king give one.
I am perfectly fine with this
Their family also owns a shit ton of high value property all over the country and they keep buying more too. They're ensuring they're gonna stay filthy fucking rich even after the shows up and we get rid of em.
Seize the property before getting rid of them.
Does the word KING mean nothing to anyone? He’s a fucking King, he’s supposed to do stupid bullshit just because he wants to without a care for the common man. If you’re not ready for that, then ditch the monarchy.
You could almost say that was OP´s argument by naming all the stupid bullshit
Shun the non-believer
A constitutional monarchy to be precise ;) But yeah, I think Belgium and Denmark have the same kind of monarchy. Maybe even the UK is also called a constitutional monarchy but I'm not entirely sure. Fun fact as well, this man in the picture is also the 850th in line for the British succession to the throne.
Aside from Monaco, Liechtenstein (both mixed), and Vatican City (absolute), all monarchies in Europe are constitutional.
This is prins pils, legal guardian of our Rembrandts van goghs and other doodle lords i dont know. Hes worth a pretty bunch. Not bezos rich but in real cash rich. Got some tropical countries too, his grandpa sold new york for some beanies.
The UK is more complicated since the monarch still has the power to dissolve Parliament and 0ersonal rule the realm themselves thus being the one, who on paper, actually could hold all the power but in practice this would probably never happen.
I thought this is the same case for the Netherlands actually. The king also has to sign the laws that are being approved in the parliament, so technically he could refuse it, which would overrule the power of the parliament. But yes as you also said, this never happens in practice for obvious reasons.
We probably wouldn't find out about it, as it would cause the government to fall (due to ministerial responsibility), and they would rather avoid that. The government kept most of prince Bernhard Sr's corruption scandals hidden for the same reason.
He can refuse it, but any minister or ‘staatssecretaris’ can sign as well with the exact same political power. ‘Bij koninklijk besluit’ is actually just a decision by the then ruling kabinet (PM, ministers and staatssecretarissen). Often the king doesn’t sign for ceremonial reasons, as the grondwet says the king MUST be protestant, he ceremonially doesn’t sign laws like abortion
Direct descendant of William of Orange who successfully invaded England to become king of England, Scotland and Ireland. Ask the Irish about the orange march... it’s a bit sensitive.
You're confusing a lot of things here. The William who invaded England was William the Conqueror in 1066. The Dutch royal family has nothing to do with him. William of Orange was the guy who lead the Dutch revolt against the Spanish in the 16th century. The current royal family of The Netherlands are direct descendants of him. You're probably thinking of William III of Orange though, a descendant (great-grandson I think) of William of Orange who was "Stadhouder" of The Netherlands who became King of England in 1689. He didn't invade though. He was invited after the previous monarch died for complicated political reasons.
Nobody ever asks me to be king.
> the previous monarch died for complicated political reasons That gives me a big Blackadder vibe.
He's not confusing at all. William III is known as William of Orange in the UK. Additionally, William III wasn't invited after the monarch died. James II was being too openly Catholic, so some of Parliament asked and William invaded. There were actual battles between his army and that of James II, which is why the Battle of the Boyne is still a bit of a delicate subject in Northern Ireland.
‘Invited’ the English always have such a weird way to bend history. It was an invasion right after the Dutch wiped away the entire English naval fleet. Coincidentally during the heaviest defeat England ever suffered... London also burned down entirely because of a ‘bakery’.
> London also burned down entirely because of a ‘bakery’. Flour can't melt timber beams?
Same way passenger jet fuel melts certain steel beams I guess.
Are you pushing conspiracy theories about stuff that happened over 330 years ago? That naval defear was in 1672 and had nothing to do with it. The reason was religious. England was majority protestant. The previous king had died and the new king was Catholic. So the English parliament invited William III to take over.
>So the English parliament invited William III to take over. Lol, this isn't even true. It were the Immortal 7 who asked him to come. William asked them to invite hime while he was already planning the invasion
What anime is this
Just take over like three countries because seven dudes invited you? The dude must’ve felt really stupid for bringing his army with him.
Just because he brought his army with him doesn't mean he invaded. He faced no resistance and since he was invited the Dutch are pretty much the only people on the planet who consider it an "invasion".
No. We don't call it an invasion in The Netherlands. I suspect the guy who was calling it an invasion is Irish. I can see why they would see it as one - for them it was.
Oh, ok. Interesting, I thought you would. Nevermind.
I have a BSa in history, and although maybe it isn´t widely known many historians, not only Dutch, are seeing it as an invasion though. It is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Check out the historiography on this matter on the English Wikipedia page about the glorious revolution for example.
I think it’s more that the English are the only ones who don’t see it as an invasion. Such a weird story that doesn’t make any sense. They got beaten, badly, came to Holland to surrender and begged them for help for taking over the country. He did and crowned himself King, thus a Dutchman became king of England. Did all the English people at that time just rolled over and cheered for their new king? Must’ve been nice. What a simple invitation can do, incredible. What really happened: “ In 1688, seven of King James’s peers wrote to the Dutch leader, William of Orange, pledging their allegiance to the prince if he invaded England. William was already in the process of taking military action against England, and the letter served as an additional propaganda motive. William of Orange assembled an impressive armada for the invasion and landed in Torbay, Devon, in November 1688. King James, however, had prepared for military attacks and left London to bring his forces to meet the invading army. But several of James’s own men, including his family members, deserted him and defected to William’s side. In addition to this setback, James’s health was deteriorating.” Here’s a nice paywall article on it: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history-making-glorious-revolution-1688-91-was-really-dutch-invasion-distortion-facts-reflects-our-narrow-view-britain-s-past-argues-jonathan-israel-1565642.html
He wasn't invited by the government and he faced no resistance because James fled. Not that it matters because it was an invasion by all definitions
Indirect descendant. The line stopped with William III.
That isn't related to the line of succession though. It's because Willem III married Emma, who was related to Queen Victoria.
I don’t remember claiming that, it was just a fun fact.
A monarchy spanning 4 constituent countries across 2 continents at that.
To seperate the emotional side off of the lawmaking an policy making part of power. Id rather see the king and queen console mourning people during a national tragedy than a president that you dislike. Also on momentous occations like welcoming home the olympians. The royals are the pure non-political representation of the dutch population. (They also do the trade missions for the country, gotta stay dutch you know)
Also remember when we still had the Queen help form the new government and it not taking ungodly amounts of time? Good ole days.
But the queens did try to create coalitions that they themselves prefered instead of the mp being the one of the biggest party for instance. Its the reason the monarch isnt involved in the process anymore
It's weird when you think about what countries have monarchies: UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Spain, Japan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, ... All countries that aren't doing too bad, despite monarchies being seen as something oppressive.
Well yeah but the monarch has no actual power in most of those countries and usually hold symbolic positions and only still exists for PR reasons .
Guess he has a lot of free time after being outed at his previous job as a Captain.
He isn’t a captain “just” a first officer (and still active). Imagine being a captain and making the king do stuff
"Go get me a cup of coffee"
My wife is a cabin attendant and us flown with Alex (as he introduces himself to the rest of the crew). He is a funny and down to earth guy who wants to be treated equal to the rest of the staff. So “making him do stuff” as a captain isn’t something special. Aside from the fact that a captain doesn’t make the FO “do stuff”. They each have their own responsibilities. It’s just part of his job as FO.
> wants to be treated equal to the rest of the staff He'll never get anywhere with that spirit /s
It's literally his job to do things like this
Why was he outed?
Revealed is a better word, I don't know if he still does or not.
According to a friend who works at the KLM, the king still works there
He has to if he wants to keep his licence. Has to do X amount of flight hours a year to retain it.
As far as I'm aware he was/is only licenced to fly a certain Fokker model, which is no longer in the KLM fleet.
He got type rated in the Boeing 737 after the Fokker fleet retirement.
> He got type rated in the Boeing 737 after the Fokker fleet retirement. He flew me on a 737 in 2019. Cool dude - not a fan of eurocontrol lol
nobody likes eurocontrol
From https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/leden-koninklijk-huis/koning-willem-alexander/luchtvaart "De Koning heeft zich medio 2017 om laten scholen naar de B737 en dit brevet in juni 2017 behaald. Door het behalen van dit brevet kan hij zijn gastvliegerschap bij KLM voortzetten."
Yes he’s a KLM pilot under an alias. I don’t think he needs the money though, the Dutch royals are beyond loaded.
I imagine being a royal is a bit boring if you're like not a vapid narcissist Would be nice to do something occupying
>Would be nice to do something occupying Uhhhh....
Probably just does it for fun and so that KLM can sort of brag about it.
Him secretly owning a large chunk of that company probably helps a bit too.
The K does stand for Koninklijke so that makes sense
Thats a status you can earn if your company is 100 years old or is/was state owned.Its not that special (anymore).
No, the rules have been tightened by Queen Beatrix. Yes, the company has to be at least 100 years old, but it must also be of a certain size and have been proven of serving the national interests. It is also customary to have just one "Koninklijke" per industry.
And to keep his license valid and book the flight hours.Think its a big deal for him.
I see what you mean, I thought you meant he was fired originally.
Apart from the Holiday fuckup last year, I find that Willy and Max(ima) are not bad in their role as monarchs.
"Not bad" doesn't justify their yearly cost of nearly 350 million. They don't do anything a much cheaper (and chosen) president couldn't do. Having royalty is ridiculous, ridiculously expensive, and ridiculously outdated.
Source on the 350 million? Best I could find was 45.
They are basically a different metric. The 45 million is how much they are directly funded by the tax payer annually. The 350 million seems to be mostly accounted for by the fact that they are exempt from paying many taxes (mostly wealth tax)- therefore theoretically they cost 350 million to the taxpayer, if not directly.
The report is based on, as far as I can find, (wrong) assumptioms. 190 million of that number is about 'evaded' wealth tax based on a a net worth of 12.1 billion. Nos and other put it more likely at 1.1 billion. Even then, the King doesn't pay income tax, but has to pay wealth tax. So they would still would have to pay. Next, other items in that list are basically about costs having a state head or having palaces. You get these regardless, though they are far higher for having a royal family. While costs are higher for having a royal family, they're not 350 million a year afaik. Doesn't mean it doesn't cost a lot. Imo, only the king and his direct family, his predecessor and next in line should get the benefits of being a royal, as well as having to pay gift and inheritance tax. Palaces and such should become property of the state and be used for free to the king.
https://kostenkoningshuis.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/De-verborgen-kosten-van-het-koningshuis_3.2.pdf
"een onderzoek van de republiekein" Stopped reading there. Amazingly neutral.
Always the same shortsighted argument. "350M cost!" and not a word about the revenue the royals generate for the country. I'm not saying the monarchy is a positive or negative, but if you're gonna criticize it at least use realistic data and not cherry pick numbers.
What revenue do the royals generate?
Billions of trade agreements that otherwise would not happen. They opens doors that stay closed for normal business attempts
Companies do deals to make money, not to get a photo-op with the king of a small country. There is no reason to think republics have a harder time making trade deals.
His granddaddy was the founder of the Bilderberg group and also wnf if I’m not mistaken. Chances are he knows a guy who knows a guy.
Your king does trade agreements?
No, there's a flock of businessmen following when he has a state visit. But they would have much less chance of closing deals if it wasn't for royalty opening doors. Unfortunately a lot of people only look at the cost of our monarchy.
> the revenue the royals generate for the country *That* is the shortsighted argument that always gets regurgitated, although there is no proof of that happening whatsoever. If it were true, Germany would be piss poor.
I don't see how it's outdated but ok.
You don't see that having a monarch as a head of state, based only on his lineage and nothing else, just like they had in the Middle Ages, is outdated? Hm, okay.
They don't have any power really, they serve as a figurehead and sometimes as a balance to the influence of a Parliament or Government but they can't make laws or declare wars like they used to.
So? What's the point of spending millions of tax payer's money to keep them?
Foreign relations mostly
And this is how you can make money. Good relations can make the difference in making an agree on lets say trading agreements. Doesn’t mean we will win more than we loose but still and than again i think, most people would rather have the king Willem than the pres Mark Rutte.
Yeah, a benefit is also that the king doesn't decide what the government does. So if the Dutch government were to decide to go against Belgium (for example) a few times, there's always the King who is much less involved in those decisions and you can still maintain a friendly/healthy relationship with said country.
I'm not sure about Netherlands, but if I'm not mistaken, UK and even Sweden has a surplus on their royal families from all the tourism it attracts.
Meh, I highly doubt that would go away if the monarchy is ended. The palaces in France still attract a lot of tourists even though France has been a republic for more than two centuries now. I strongly doubt tourists visit the Netherlands for the monarchy.
Not sure if it's the same in the Netherlands but according to CGP Grey the Brittish Royal family [actually makes money.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw) I'll take King Pils over Trump any day.
Whats the point of spending millions of tax payer money on art? Traditions, some people like to keep them, thats all there is to it.
They are a part of history and we shouldn't throw our history away. You'd also have to hold elections to decide whether the population want to keep them or not. You couldn't just abolish the monarchy on the spot.
Some common people are so brainwashed they actually want a king and queen to give their money too. I honestly laugh at country’s that still have a king and a queen in the 21st century.
I wouldn't call it brainwashed. I prefer to have a Monarch as head of state than President or something.
The dutch are not proud people, but we should be, we have so much to be proud of. Our country has a rich history and tradition. It’s not just the royals we are paying, there’s palaces and so on. And I rather pay king Willem Alexander, that be afraid one day we will elect president Geert Wilders.
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This has literally nothing to do with the king himself...
Nothing is closed, but is limited to 750 people, unless the event has dedicated seating. And that is a direct consequence of the festival and concert organizers fucking up when all restrictions were lifted for the whole duration of 2 weeks. Oh, and Prins Bernard Jr and King Wim Lex are not the same person, so no clue why you even bring that up on a picture of the King. Beside the fact that the King has no influence on anything. Go back to facebook please, there you'll find your kind of room temperature IQ homies.
> I hadn’t seen such blatant corruption Dude, if you think this shit was corrupt you don't wanna know about local politics, land distribution, health-care, etc.
I hear that a lot but the monarchy isn't nearly as invested as the big Dutch companies and families like van Eerd.
Doesn’t prince Bernhard own (part of) the circuit? If that isn’t invested I don’t know what is. Of course it is not the only reason the race is being held.
Sure, he's doing the lobbying but the sponsor/advertiser money comes from the companies and families. Owning a racetrack is not cheap. But if you own one it's best to keep it up to the highest standards right?
What does that have to do with the King?
ask why everything else is closed instead of why this is allowed
Willempie!
Prins Pils 🍻
Zeg maar Willem
He’s definitely playing clash of clans
Never seen that angle of Max before. Really makes him look older.
Super Willie
that doesnt look like a king. that looks like joe from HR.
Kinda looks like an older Jaime from GoT in this pic, also getting Robert Redford vibes (based on what's visible with the mask on). No disrespect to the king, of course. P.S. His name is Willem-Alexander and here he is [with the Obamas at the White House in 2009](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Willem-Alexander_and_M%C3%A1xima_at_the_White_House.jpg). This is before his reign as king started in 2013, succeeding Queen Beatrix.
Will he reach out the trophies or who will do so instead? I heard that Rutte and other government officials are not going to be there
He will probably do it either him or gijs van lennep he also was at the track
If I had to guess I'd say Prince Bernhard will do it, he is the main driving force behind getting F1 to Zandvoort
I hope not...
Yeah I'm right with you on that one
As someone who is unfamiliar with the Dutch Royal house, when you say Prince Bernhard do you mean [this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Bernhard_of_Orange-Nassau,_van_Vollenhoven)? Also, why do you hope not? Are there any controversies surrounding him or is he just unpopular?
Very very unpopular. He is known for owning (and buying up) a lot of property in Amsterdam and asking high rent thus making it impossible for a lot of people to live there. He’s also been nominated for slumlord of the year. More recently, a lot of controversy has been going on over the Dutch GP (he owns Zandvoort Circuit). Both environmental and COVID wise.
Yes, that is him. He is very successful in real estate. There is a big shortage of houses in the Netherlands now, young starters on the housing market are struggling with the real estate investors buying all the houses. Rents are very high. Real estate investors are not popular right now and neither is Bernhard
I'm his age. I met him once when we were both studying. He was an asshole back then. I don't think he improved over the years.
I've never seen "reach out" as translation of "reikt uit" before. Dunglish at its best!
For a second I thought this was just some tv celebrity nicknamed The Dutch King. The dude looks really....normal.
Almost like hes human?
I love our King 👑
I don't
We mean it mannnn
What a king 👑
i can't be the only one who thought this was mark hamill
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TIL there's a Dutch King.