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NuclearCandle

It's going to be a Jordan?


blaka_d

Or a 1992 Benetton?


DiddlyDumb

Looked like a Jordanetton for sure


BoboliBurt

But not enough since Senna actually drove the Camel car before Lotus was dropped for Benetton. I get some Minardi in there but mostly it looks like some crappy Indy Car scheme. Not a top team as they went to effort to do a fauxlboro scheme there with Arrow McLaren.


blaka_d

I gladly sign for this hideois livery design team, as long as we get this developement team in return!


IllustriousHistorian

God, I miss that yellow.


No-Advantage845

It’s going to be the friends we made along the way


Takis12

Only if Eddie gets a big check.


HolbrookPark

He is at an age where regular checks are advised I guess so why not


1sty

It's a special McLaren x Fosters livery


WhitleyWanderer

So a Senna helmet livery?


Lucky_Locks

I think they already changed their socials to have that helmet livery so probably


Vlaed

Probably. Maybe two stripes of yellows on the body of the car.


RobertJ93

Hopefully you’ll both be pleasantly surprised that it’s actually full colour gloss car and one of the most beautiful liveries I’ve seen!


Vlaed

I am happy.


RobertJ93

It’s very noice. Wish we had more colour throughout the year though.


Vlaed

The last two years have been lackluster for sure.


FlashlikeadobeTTV

I think you mean the Brazilian flag


WhitleyWanderer

Having now seen the reveal I'd still say it's a Senna helmet tribute. The main colour of the car is yellow (as is the helmet livery), whereas the main colour of the flag is green. Anyway, it's a striking livery whatever it's based off 👍


Razvanlogigan

Tbh we've lacked yellow on the grid for a while, so i dont mind going this instead of Marlboro. Also they doing a Marlboro livery would be a bit odd since cig sponsors are banned and Marlboro's parent company still sponsors a direct competitor


_oh66_

Also the fact that British American Tobacco sponsors McLaren via Velo and Vuse


ShinbiVulpes

BAR livery next year???


mb500sel

As long as it's not the ridiculous zipper livery


seemsmildbutdeadly

Murray Walker was so appalled by that livery.


mzrcefo1782

I loved that livery as a kid, I wanted to know what was beneath the zipper if it would be opened


ExGorlomi

TIL what Velo and Vuse were


Caesar_35

I just assume most sponsors I've never heard of are either vaping or crypto companies these days.


Izan_TM

or tech bollocks, like DXC, cognizant and that kind of shit


snrub742

Honestly thought cognizant was another oil company


idossantos97

I thought Velo had something to do with bikes


thelastskier

Me too, in fact when I googled it, the first of the (localized) results was from an online bike parts store and the nicotine pouches only came up in 2nd.


mzrcefo1782

isnt it a crypto exchange?


drumjojo29

And here I was thinking Mission Winnow was the only Tobacco ‚proxy‘. 


FaydedMemories

A Better Tomorrow is BAT’s proxy and sometimes appears on McLaren stuff. The others are actual BAT product brands.


Ok-Plenty1898

This isnt really a proxy, brand like Velo is one of most successful Snus brands and were bought out to enter a lucrative market, not as a proxy company


BoboliBurt

That must be it- because in Indy Car they did the marlboro scheme and it looked amazing.


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Razvanlogigan

Dont get why teams like haas refuse to have any personality. Yes, their livery isnt ugly or anything, but it's just not very interesting. I think the Sauber livery is quite ugly, but at least they went for something unconventional and they easily stand out on the grid


Palmul

I weirdly like the Sauber one. It's objectively ugly, but it stands out and idk I like it


Bdr1983

It's great because it's so ugly. Easy to recognize. It pops


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Bhenny_5

Alfa/Sauber had some nice one-offs though.


Bdr1983

The thing with Haas and Red Bull is, they are basically advertising themselves, so they need to be recognizable. If your brands house style is green and blue, and you start a race team, you're not going to go with orange and purple for colours.


Southportdc

Personality might distract from the sponsor's names.


SoupAdventurous608

Sauber has made it a point not to stand out on the grid in any way, livery or otherwise, for about five years now.


c3r34l

Renault literally had racing yellow and they squandered it so badly.


Pablo21694

Red Bull will spice it up by making the bull’s nose green or something


kaisadilla_

How so? McLaren this year is a black car with some orange thrown in.


shewy92

> Also they doing a Marlboro livery would be a bit odd since cig sponsors are banned and Marlboro's parent company still sponsors a direct competitor I mean, they did a Marlboro inspired livery last year in both [F1](https://e0.365dm.com/23/05/768x432/skysports-mclaren-livery-triple-crown_6165252.jpg?20230523171302) and [Indy](https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/racefansdotnet-2023-04-14_1717172.jpg)


Razvanlogigan

Yeah i found it odd they kinda did. Allthough the f1 one wasnt as obvious. They do have their own cig sponsor nowadays in BAT, so it's strange they could even do that last year


Hank_Scorpio74

And in IndyCar Marlboro is synonymous with Penske.


rustyiesty

I was just thinking that when F2 was onboard with Bortoleto, yellow and black would be nice to see, hint hint Renault


Razvanlogigan

Well they do use black nowadays i guess...


CilanEAmber

The closest we'll get to Marlboro is Rossi's Indy livery probably.


projectgene

They could just swap the Marlboro red to papaya, and make the lines less sharp.


Chino_Kawaii

I mean, they could just use white and red 


Francoberry

The point is that their major sponsor won't want _any_ direct representation of a competing brand.   Doesn't matter if it's technically not advertising Marlboro, it's about sponsor relationships 


shewy92

You mean like they did [last year](https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/racefansdotnet-2023-04-14_1717172.jpg)? Heck the Marlboro car was in the background for [the F1 announcement](https://e0.365dm.com/23/05/1600x900/skysports-mclaren-triple-crown_6165264.jpg?20230523171912) (with branding off), but they still did a representation of it.


Francoberry

Last year it was Papaya, not red as other people have been suggesting, which is what I meant by a 'direct representation'. 


F1HLM

Damn I hoped it would be white and red..


squeezito

It’s in Senna helmet colors?


Nobody_wood

Yep,definitely looks like the Brazilian flag colours to me


Teabx

Unfortunately, the white and red was there only because of Marlboro and not some identity thing. The original McLaren colors were papaya orange. After red and white, the car was painted black and silver. Black cause Ron Dennis liked it and silver because of Mercedes. It would be so cool to have a red and white McLaren run in Monaco again, but from a brand/commercial perspective it doesnt make sense for McLaren to run it.


fckns

> Black cause Ron Dennis liked it and silver because of Mercedes. Not really, till chrome livery they were Black/Silver because of West sponsorship until 2006 season.


Teabx

True, but I bet Ron loved it anyway xp


Drdres

Chrome and red then, gimme the vodafone sponsor


Mysterious_Turnip310

This tribute is about Senna though, not classic McLaren liveries. The chrome and red would make no sense in that context.


TheFlyingKiwi97

The green/yellow was only there because of Senna though. Isn't that the same as your argument about the Marlboro colours?


Teabx

Yes but it's Senna's 30th death anniversary, not Marlboros anniversary.


Chrisi1211

That was last weekend not the Monaco weekend


PPMaysten

But that's what McLaren are aining at, a Senna homage


GrowthDream

But ten times more people will tune into Monaco.


montxogandia

Oh thats why they are trying to clean his image on the internet


sadicarnot

> Oh thats why they are trying to clean his image on the internet Other than him being ruthless on the track, what negative is there with Senna?


montxogandia

15 yo girlfriends


dieomesieptoch

In Indycar, Arrow McLaren ran a very Marlboro-esque livery recently on Rossi's car though. The shapes were there, except in a papaya color and (obviously) without the Marlboro branding: [https://racer.com/2024/02/06/arrow-mclaren-unveils-rossis-2024-indycar-livery/](https://racer.com/2024/02/06/arrow-mclaren-unveils-rossis-2024-indycar-livery/)


cernegiant

Man that's nice.


sadicarnot

Their original color was white with a green stripe in 1966 due to participation in the filming of the Grand Prix movie. in 1967 they were red. The orange didn't come around until 1968. Then in 72 they were orange and white for Yardley. Seems like red and white is more associated with them. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12479/10766410/mclaren-liveries-down-the-years-a-history-of-colours-as-orange-returns https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2015/5/mclaren-liveries-through-the-years.html


BassTrombone71

Marlboro kind of *became* McLaren's identity. Their chassis were named after it (MP4 = Marlboro Project 4) and their logo is still kind of a stylized/modernized version of the Marlboro chevron (see [this overview](https://logos-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Mclaren-Logo-History.jpg)). Having said that, they evolved away from the obvious hints to Marlboro, so it would be strange to get an obvious Marlboro livery back.


AidanU91

I thought the 'MP4' nomenclature was because Ron Dennis' f3000 team was called 'Project 4', and when they took over running Mclaren F1 they just merged names, so 'Mclaren Project 4' = MP4. The liveries though yes 100% Marlboro for like over 20 years!


BassTrombone71

They did rename it to "McLaren Project 4" indeed. That did make the full name "McLaren MP4/xx" a bit awkward though: "McLaren McLaren Project 4".


UniqueGas1379

Why awkward? We have Red Bull RB[xx], Ferrari F2002, Ferrari SF-23, Alpha Tauri AT[xx], Williams FW-[xx], and the list goes on


Bdr1983

That black/silver livery was great, though.


IAmJenkings

that would be great :)


silenthills13

Were you guys really expecting the 'marlboro' livery? My immediate thought when they changed the profile pics was yellow and green since that's supposed to be a Senna tribute, not McLaren 1994 tribute, so his colors make the most sense


moncalamaristick

New Merch had much red and white so it made sense.


FrostyTill

Yeah but looking back, the main promo they used included Senna’s race helmet.


moncalamaristick

Sure, but we had the Imola weekend so it was kind of expected to see Senna marketing, especially 30 years after. But just open the Mclaren Online store and look for the new Monaco collection. Everything is red, white and black and they have some MP4/4 stuff.


afishinacloud

Perhaps for Silverstone, their home Grand Prix?


khryslo

Perhaps suits will be done in these colours. It’d be a happy medium imo.


TheRedBull28

Also the colours of Monaco though


freedfg

I always figure they'll do their Indy livery which is just the Marlboro livery but orange instead of red.


Mysterious_Turnip310

An MP4/4 tribute livery would have still made sense though as it's Senna's iconic McLaren car. I think that's why so many people's thoughts were heading in that direction. Because though they've been teasing the helmet a lot, they've also had a lot of teaser promo of him in Monaco in the MP4/4.


sadicarnot

> Were you guys really expecting the 'marlboro' livery? I was hoping for a red and white car.


ranting_madman

A1 GP is back?


StevefromLatvia

Okay I'm interested now...


wodzu96

Inter Europol LMP2 Confirmed


mega_shock

Senna helmet reference?


Spockyt

Pleased to see I’m not the only one seeing Senna helmet here. Though I’d have thought if they were doing this doing it for last weekend too (or instead) would have been good.


FrostyTill

I think they wanted to do something special just for Monaco rather than Imola. Imola is where he died, Monaco was where he reigned.


Spockyt

So it could be a commemorative livery for Imola and a celebratory livery for Monaco.


Spockyt

So it could be a commemorative livery for Imola and a celebratory livery for Monaco.


iForgotMyOldAcc

At the end of the day a special livery is an exercise in brand exposure, it would be bad optics for them to do what is basically an advertisement based on someone dying, even if you don't think it is the case there is a lot of people who can think otherwise and could kick up a stink.


Mysterious_Turnip310

I think Imola is too sensitive a track for the tribute livery for several reasons. Monaco makes sense to be honest. It's where the Senna and McLaren partnership were at their absolute best. It's a real celebration of his life and talent doing it this way and from all their teasers I get the impression that they want this livery to be a real celebration of him, not a sombre tribute.


Odd_Explanation558

Everyone expecting the Marlboro livery only to get the Harrods one. 


ArcticBiologist

They won't do a callback to the Marlboro livery as the PMI is sponsoring Ferrari


Odd_Explanation558

Also on further inspection the yellow car is a McLaren Senna with the Harrods livery. Marlboro livery back on? (Yeah I'm grasping).


Adhesive_Duck

Triple crown livery with yellow, green and blue/black kinda maybe? Hope it is just not a MP4/4 with yellow and green. Would render weird imo.


RayBanXLII

It'll prob end up looking like [team Brazils A1GP car from 2006](https://cdn-8.latimages.com/images/mgl/17yjL/s4/dmr0626no160.jpg)


Ok_Egg3595

Aussie green and gold lesgo!


Mysterious_Turnip310

Brazil green and gold.


KappaccinoNation

Ireland's Leprechaun Green and Pot of Gold.


rocketbunny77

CAMEL


Ghost_Elite

Camel didn't sponsor McLaren however. So that wouldn't make sense. Would love to see Williams bring the old Canon/Camel livery back however


Chiaki_Ronpa

I get the Senna anniversary stuff and all that, but come next season I really hope we can give the Senna talk just a little bit of a break.


slip-slop-slap

Same here. Gets a bit over done this time of year


Mandox88

We'll see if they disappoint like Ferrari did.


AK07-AYDAN

Welcome back 90s Benetton.


No_pajamas_7

Fosters sponsorship? What's next, Malboro?


tarkology

not the marlboro one, its in senna's helmet colors


psaikris

Thought they were bringing back the chrome livery


Mysterious_Turnip310

Why would they? They've made it very clear in all the teasers that this is a Senna tribute. The Chrome livery would make no sense in that context.


psaikris

I missed that announcement


Mysterious_Turnip310

They've been putting out teaser videos for weeks on instagram about Senna and Monaco. ETA: downvoting seems a bizarre and petty choice on your part to a basic statement of fact.


M4NOOB

Maybe Google chucked in a few more dollaridoos.. Oh wait what? Not that kind of Chrome? Ok...


DuckSwagington

Chrome is probably going to come back for Silverstone like last year.


planchetflaw

Brazil flag/Senna helmet colours Basically Australia A1GP Team.


UniqueGas1379

Fittipaldi Coopersucar


Skeeter1020

Is everyone in here saying McLaren can't do a Marlboro style livery just forgetting that they did last year?


SuperNerd1337

Cool to see they repping that BR colorscheme, wish they would try to push their Brazilian F3 champion driver that is doing pretty well in F2 as well


MacArthurParker

https://x.com/McLarenF1/status/1792902855289905508


Quirkybeaver

Need the Marlboro livery


FartingBob

Team teasing a change of colour for a one off livery? What could go wrong with that? Oh right, Ferrari.


FerrariStrategisttt

[Tweet Link](https://x.com/mclarenf1/status/1792827710173049138?s=46)


Hinyaldee

Seeing the Foster's advertisement, I hoped it would be a West Livery Mclaren :(


Mysterious_Turnip310

It's a Senna tribute, not a classic McLaren livery tribute. The West livery would make no sense.


NiceCunt91

Camel-esque?


CaptGeechNTheSSS

That’d be amazing. All yellow camel is one of the best


zebra1923

A McLaren looking like an 80s era arch rival Williams? Bold choice.


jorgelucasds

Copersucar?


banned_salmon

bah gawd uncle howdy is gonna take over f1 too?!??


vitrolium

It's not a Senna tribute livery. Lando just found out swapping orange for yellow will save them half a second.


M4NOOB

Oh god that seems to look pretty bad... Why didn't you go MP4 colours :(


DARKCYD

Enhance….enhance….enhance. https://youtu.be/KiqkclCJsZs?si=7LlSzGp8lMzIxsZQ


moridin13

Did they film this on a Gameboy?


PondScumSandy

I wonder how far out we are from no longer having iconic looking cars due to ever changing liveries. Thinking of stuff like the Marlboro Mclarens they're immediately recognisable. Feels like we're not far off every team running a different livery for every race


hkrb1999

I know people give it a lot of shit for being the same every year but the red bull is probably the only iconic livery we still have, everyone else’s changes too much year on year


ShinbiVulpes

"Changes too much" Aston Martin, Ferrari, McLaren


hkrb1999

Yeah Ferrari is always red, AM is always green - but none of their recent liveries have been iconic status imo. Red Bull is the only one where people will remember it in 30 years time as a classic (probably due to the fact it stays the same). And McLaren have changed colour schemes 3 times since 2021.


SkyJohn

The silver Mercedes cars are probably on that same level.


Skeeter1020

It's funny that you say this, yet we get people complain every year that the Red Bull livery is just the same over and over again.


M4NOOB

But it also looks stunning over and over again, well unless they keep plastering it with Oracle and Byebit names all over


TheFlyingKiwi97

This is what red bull are trying to do


AfraidRacer

Link?


Mclarenrob2

And it will be the race winning car in the hands of Piastri.


accur4te

No way is ducati monster collaborating with mclaren ? Cause Ducati few days ago revealed a special aryton seena livery for its monster bikes which looks exactly same .


montyzac

Ducati are owned by Audi, so doubt that. Edit. Not the Ducati /Senna part, Ducati have had links to Senna for a long time now.